I want both to succeed. Dune is deep and fascinating, but Star Wars is escapism and that has it's place. When it's good at least. I don't have high expectations though.
What are you talking about? Star Wars, Empire and Jedi are an all time trilogy! Disney's been incredibly restrained in only releasing Rogue One and Andor so far. They could have been vomiting out a dozen films and TV shows by now, AND...I heard that Lucas gave them the bones of both a prequel and sequel trilogy when he sold. You just aren't trying hard enough.
Nice. I still would love to see Dune 3 Part 2 basically be Children of Dune just to really make Dune 3 more epic and have more meaning so that we can eventually see God Emperor of Dune someday as a new movie or even as a series
The first two Dune movies are beautiful feats of cinematography and incredible sci fi movies on their own merits, but honestly Dune Part 2 in particular is not a very good Dune adaptation, so I am left with no idea how Dune Part 3 can meaningfully adapt Dune Messiah and possibly parts of Children of Dune with the status quo as it stands at the end of Dune Part 2 as a starting point. I'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best. Still, all my Dune book series fan gripes aside, Villeneuve's Dune adaptations are still obviously vastly superior to anything Disney has ever done with Star Wars, and indeed that gulf in quality is so colossal that it is helping to highlight just how poorly Disney has performed as the custodian of the Star Wars franchise.
Why Chani is portrayed in that way which for me is really far from how she supported Usul. Her whole attitude was weird while in the books she supports him all the way in.
Villeneuve needs to not wait too long. They need to get the 3rd film out while the audience interest in there. If they wait longer than 6 years, the interest will die down quickly past that.
Its not just that, there is always a chance that he might pull a Benioff and Weis and just walk away and abandon Dune because he gets a super inflated ego and thinks he should do other movies. He has already showed many similar attitudes as the disgraced GoT showrunners.
It's a possibility that we could see the 3rd film in December of 2026. It was around 2 1/2 years between Part 1 and 2. It all depends on how the pieces fall into place. The budget/financing is #1, the film sets have to be built, the actors have to be free to film, all of the new wardrobes need to be tailored, film the initial photography, and finally all of the post CGI. It will be interesting if they can pull it off.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Rebecca didn’t come back for this film, Jessica’s involvement in the story was a note after the stone burner. Though I’m hoping in the new film, Paul would adorn similar tattoos to Jessica but with the mentat lip tattoo.
I heard a Rumor the title that will be released is "Shai-Hulud vs Kong Revenge of Chani". I've watch both movies and there is something about them I am not a fan of possibly his interpretation of the book if you compare all of the dune movies TV and theatrical they all have things that are good the new films had grandeur but is that enough Dune is a hard book to film so many layers and are hard to separate. I will wait to see Part 3 I have hopes and you can ask for more than that. Sorry I had to redo some of my post I have cataracts in one of my eyes and its blurry sometimes.
Disney has Ruined Star Wars. I was so unimpressed with the last 3 and even some of the series. I know starnwars die hards that hate the last 3 movies so much they dont consider them star wars. Thanks for the update
@@pragma5282 yes Dune is a much harsher place lol. With a much deeper history and world then star wars. I am very biased when it comes to Dune though lol
Those who ruined it can jump from franchise to franchise, so Dune isn't safe either. In fact there is some of The Message™ in the 2 Dune movies but most people never read the book so they wouldn't notice the few changes that were inspired by The Message™.
You left out an important step: the storyboarding is at least as important as the screenplay - especially for controlling costs. Villeneuve will want and need plenty of time to get through that stage. No one should expect to be able to rush things.
I will probably wait for this to hit streaming. I really didn't like Dune 2 all that much, and I don't have any illusons that the third one will be much better.
Being released in the same week as a Disney Star Wars couldn't be better as a lack of competition. However, it is all but guaranteed that any Disney Star Wars film will be delayed by 2 or 3 years while it is reshot 2 or 3 times from scratch.
I know that what I'll say next will not only be in the distinct minority, but most likely annoy, if not upset the enthusiastic hopefuls, but.... ....I myself will have more-than-a-little trepidation about the third film. Here's why:.. I fear that certain, key aspects of plot will be muddled if not worse (( oversimplified? ...abandoned altogether?!? )), BECAUSE of the choices(( MISTAKES; ERRORS )) Denis made within Part-1 and 2, namely the diminished(( ALMOST ERASED )) significance and thus presence of both the Spacing Guild and the Mentats.... I suppose I could try to speculate as to why [ Denis Villeneuve ] made those choices, but at this time, I feel that I don't have the wherewithall, let alone the patience... Because of those decisions -- marginalizing/diminishing the significance of the Spacing Guild, and relegating the Mentats to at best a curiosity(( one not even afforded the dignity of even being identified/addressed within Part-1 )) problems WILL immediately crop up and from the very beginning... For example:: Because of how the Spacing Guild were rendered, I don't see how we are going to really care about one of the key antagonists -- _Edric, a Spacing Guild Navigator in mid-to-late stage, Spice-induced mutation_ -- let alone understand/appreciate his motivations... I'm not even going to try to express my immense disappointment with how Chani was portrayed, but even so, there will need to be a thorough workaround in order to ensure that the ending will be at least mostly(?) in keeping with 'Dune Messiah' I want to have hope, but honestly, I have trepidation instead....
I’d love to see Villeneuve adapt Rama, I thought it was the most interesting of the projects he’s been linked with. Although Villeneuve probably wants to pivot away from sci-fi so he’s not pigeonholed. I’d be happy to wait for Dune 3 but I realize the challenge of getting all actors to agree with a new contract.
I don’t care when it comes out, within reason of course. Just do the story justice. Don’t rush something out to capitalize on some type of perceived hype or because you need to get the merch out by a certain time. Just make things the way they should be and the way this movie deserves. However long that takes. We don’t want or need another Star Wars franchise.
While I disagree with some of the changes made to the story in Dune 2 at least the people in charge of making Dune have experience and know how to make a good, successful movie. Star Wars does not.
Fantastic video as always. I enjoy your Dune videos. I am noticing you did something different with the audio on this one. I like it. It makes you sound more human. A comment that I have received from some of my other nerd friends is your videos tend to sound a little robotic. Whatever you did different on this one, to my ear, makes you sound a little more relatable. I hate to admit, but I haven’t listened to one of your videos in about a month. I don’t know if this is a new thing with this video or if you’ve changed it a while ago. For what it’s worth, I thought you might find useful some positive feedback on the change.
Good to know! Honestly the only change is that I'm not scripting anything anymore just speaking off the cuff. Sometimes I have notes for reference but that's about it. Trying to cover more content and it's impossible to script everything and ramp up my coverage.
Nuclear War: A Scenario isn't nonfiction. It's speculative fiction at best, and gets too many of the scientific details wrong to be anything other than scifi.
I was thinking that a bit as well. It’s a 12 year gap in the books if I remember correctly. But they can do some aging with makeup and cgi. And with the spice extending life spans, there wouldn’t be as much of an aging difference in that time.
@@emilywilhite5807 - but also, Anya Taylor-Joy, playing Alia, is currently 28… I suppose she could pull-off playing a teenager, but Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya and Rebecca Ferguson all look very young for their ages, too 🤷🏻♂️
Hoping to god he casts Peter Dinklage as Bijaz and Doug Jones or David Howard Thornton as Edric! I'm curious about this one because Irulan plays a *BIG BIG* part in the story and Florence Pugh displayed enough in her screentime. And we might be getting Anya coming back as Alia.. which is gonna be weird as hell given the changes Dune Part 2 did and don't get me started on the weird Alia and Hayt thing.
Denis back on DUNE? I'm 1,000% here for it... strike before the idea cools. I see so few films in the theater anymore; if I want popcorn escapism, I'll stream it for less than a theater ticket and not leave my couch. DUNE is something I have no regrets about shelling out some dollars for a serious immersive theatrical experience. Bring it on!
I'm not a huge fan of the Dune saga to begin with (though I've read the first 3 books and seen the 1984 film, turn-of-century mini-series, read several of the prequels and seen the Vil films). The story simply is NOT appealing to me as I'm not into tragedies. But Vil told the story well. I can at least admire the craftsmanship. I'll see Dune 3 when it comes out.
Sure, but it is not many Villeneuw… Maybe that flare lens director that did make new star treck films or those who did the Poer of the rings or other cheap director!
I'm pretty sure what the December 2026 film is, is very much locked down with more specific plans that Villeneuve is on-board with, but they're not gonna publicly announce until start of production gets close to actually starting, in case not everything can get locked in place for it.... and I am confident it is Messiah, and not just because of some headlines that are making hasty assumptions. I figure the script for Messiah might have simply happened to reach a state that's up to whatever high standard Villeneuve set for it. BUT. I also think the "break" from Dune is still a thing for Villeneuve. I have a... feeling that we will get some kind of announcement for a "smaller" Villeneuve film very soon, which could as well be in production if not post-production already, while the project referred to in this news probably isn't even starting production this year yet.
Also, just a reminder that, prior to spending several years crafting Dune films, 3 years each, Villeneuve had a very efficient/fast run of 5 incredible film releases over the course of 5 years (Prisoners, Enemy, Sicario, Arrival, BR2049, all came out 2013-2018).
I’m going to be really honest and controversial. In any adaptation of the Rama series books, they should skip right past book one, which is a good book, but could be seen as a boring story. Rama 2 and sequels are a lot more interesting and exciting, in my very humble opinion. I really want Dune 3 to be made, but how do they reconcile what happened with Chani at the end of Dune part 2 where she should be a central figure with a tragic ending for her in Dune Messiah. Don’t hold your breath on that Star Wars movie!
This is a cynical theory but it’s possible they’re terrified the prequel series on max is going to be compared to the acolyte so they want his movie out asap while the IP is still relevant
I wonder if Hollywood will force a happy ending on this movie. Like they did with the 1984 Dune and 1982 Blade Runner. The story as it is in the book could disappoint people. It could do fine at the box office because people think it's a hero story like Dune 1+2. Like The Last Jedi was a box office hit even though people hated it. I am sure Villeneuve will end his Dune saga here, so that maybe okay. Unlike Star Wars that had to pick up the mess to make the final film in the trilogy.
Diane sounds different here, somehow. Tired maybe? I’m not sure. No criticism, just an observation. She can do what she wants, bc she’s who I go to for my SF news, but… yeah. I hope you’re doing okay Diane!
0:33: How can we have a "non fiction" novel about Nuclear War - unless its purely centred around Nagasaki and Hiroshima? You can't have a "non fiction" account of a "a timeline of a hypothetical first strike ...". "Non fiction" and "hypothetical" are opposites.
Star Wars should of been renamed "Star Joke" about 20 years ago. It has jumped so many sharks that it is impossible to watch or to take anything seriously from that franchise.
After Part 2 I really don’t care about Part 3. It was a confused rushed mess. Would have rather Dune was adapted in to 3 films and had missing characters and storylines. Shame I loved part one, came out of the cinema very dissapointed.
He fucked up the first two. Have zero interest in this one. DV is nothing but a vanity filmmaker who thinks he isn't one. And yet dune had the most vanity of any Hwood production I've seen in recent years. A genius book like Dune was degraded to a series of well shot vignettes that all but kneecapped the story and characters, if not outright castrated it. Shame on you, Denis Villeneuve.
If Disney / Lucasfilm hires me to write stories for movies I will dominate Villeneuve’s Dune 3 or WB will move the film. I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! So Disney / Lucasfilm are you ready to get serious about Star Wars or do you want to continue to let people play in a sandbox? Give Hope a chance and give fans the Star Wars movies they deserve! And please set me loose to help dominate your rivals Disney! Have Hope fans!
There is NO WAY that stupid Rey movie is going to get anywhere. I don't even see it getting greenlit & going into full production with the amount of money they've lost in the last few years & how badly SW is doing right now thanks to Acolyte which even normies & lefties are trashing.
Honestly, I believe that the Hollywood Studio system needs to chill out and let Denis Villeneuve make the types of films that he's envisioned. Seriously if Villeneuve wants to attempt to tackle the Star Wars Universe; great! But I'm against the idea. Star Wars is a huge crap show without anyone at the helm to offer direction and guidance. What needs to happen with regards to Star Wars; is they need someone who can merge the source material, into a cohesive plot, and find a director who's willing to offer constructive guidelines for production. Too much time has been wasted on making mediocre movies; not something that wow's the audiences the way the original stories did. The reason why I don't think that Villeneuve's the right choice to rescue the Star Wars Universe, is because they need a singular grownup at the helm to steer the movie to a fitting conclusion. Villeneuve is someone who can respect the source material of Dune and make the production something fresh; honestly, I would love to see Villeneuve tackle the Butlerian Jihad, something that hasn't been envisioned yet? Maybe even a story using the later books to tell the story of the titular Atreides of old earth? Villeneuve isn't a Star Wars fan, so him taking on a dumpster fire of Star Wars is a bit like having a sculptor designing a Skyscraper. While the sculptor has the vision, he doesn't possess the expertise at designing for the structural load for a building to support the mass required. I'm hopeful you understand my metaphor. It would be great to think that Denis can remake the Star Wars universe into something new, but Denis already has enough vision in his current universe to continue making movies into the foreseeable future. Honestly, Hollywood needs to back off and allow Villeneuve to work on projects that excite him. He's already shown us that he's committed to providing very interesting storylines that haven't been seen before. Maybe, have Star Wars writers hone their craft better and we'll come back to that universe? But, if they keep making crap? Then Star Wars will become an even bigger joke than it already has become!
They kind of screwed up the story already. I'm guessing dune 3 is going to be a train wreck. The source material from the second book on gets really long winded and never really captures the magic of dune. Book 2 sets up the god emperor. Like Paul has kids. One of them is kind of a little unlikeable brat. He grows up to be... oh that's the next book. He grows up to be a worm. He becomes emperor but he is still a little brat. No one likes him. Duncan clone tries to kill him. The end.
Than the sex power witches come from the Scattering and have a civil war with the BG along with the help of Space Jews, kid Duncan gets mind raped, a girl name Sheera ...I actually forgot what happens after ngl
I honestly do not care if DV makes another Dune movie or not. In fact, I would rather he didn't. He has ruined the Dune franchise for a generation by making it a superficial good v baddy army boy king wins story on Mars. People not familiar with the books would come away from both movies with zero understanding of the mystical, philosophical and political depths of the books. They would not understand the Bene Gesserit, the spice, the Guild, the Imperium and the breeding project let alone prescience. All they will see is cute boy on goody side gets attacked by baddies and has some weird dreams then spends a year whispering and shouting like Austin Powers coming out of the ice. What a load of forgettable le garbage these movies are. Villeneuve is nothing more than a jumped up cinematographer who writes cringe as fk dialogue. Let his version die off and be forgotten for a few years then let's have a proper visionary do a multi season, ten episode per season with the first and last episode being 90 minutes and the rest 60 minutes version of Dune. Yeah I said it, fk DV. I mean, I hate to have to say it because based on his interviews I actually love him as a person. He has a wonderful personality but is a horrible director who doesn't understand the difference between complexity and depth.
If you asked me in the late `80’s what I would be more excited to see, more Dune or more Star Wars, it would be Star Wars all the way. Today there is no question it’s Dune!
Warner Bros. Back then not committed to a Second movie........... Now$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is all they see. REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE IT DOESN'T AFFECT DENIS'S ABILITY TO COMPLETE THIS TRILOGY AS A MASTERPIECE. Anyway head to head with Star Wars, no comparison Disney has destroyed the franchise PERIOD.
I'm not a huge fan of the Dune saga to begin with (though I've read the first 3 books and seen the 1984 film, turn-of-century mini-series, read several of the prequels and seen the Vil films). The story simply is NOT appealing to me as I'm not into tragedies. But Vil told the story well. I can at least admire the craftsmanship.
He is starting to act like the disgraced GoT showrunners. He has already displayed many of thier bad behaviors and he will get worse the more people inflate his ego.
I think Villeneuve has bought himself a lot of goodwill from the fanbase with Dune 1 & 2. (🤔Funny how honoring canon and making good movies will do that. Disney? Are you taking notes?) I'm willing to wait if it means "Dune Messiah" is a quality match to the first and second movies.
I want to see the upcoming Godzilla Kong movie being directed by DV. Hopefully the plan to make the nuclear war film is just distraction, and my dream is premonition. Thanks for the great update, Elaine.
Just stop calling it part 3, it's not, it's the next book, dune messiah, followed by children of dune. The whole part thing isn't a trend to waste people's time with an absolute nothing first half, it's the first book divided for manageability
"Competition" with Star Wars...made me nearly spit out my drink. Star Wars is dead. If they release at the same time it will be the death of the SW film.
I will no longer see a movie if every review raves about the "stunning cinematography." The storytelling has been terrible in both Dune movies so far. If you are unimpressed by artsy visuals, both movies are unwatchable. I won't see another film made by this director. He is way over-hyped.
Denis gave fans what we wanted: A glorious, beautiful, accurate, and well acted movie. Star Wars: Our fans are horrible, and Ezra Miller will be the next Jedi and some women who will immediately blame yt men for their poor acting. Now go buy the merchandise, now! I love Lucas Star Wars, and I'm fine with that. Other artists have created IP that is worth a wider audience.
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May Disney's blade chip and shatter, if it comes to a duel in theaters.
No contest, I would love to see Dune 3 over anything Star Wars. I used to be a huge SW fan, but now it is just a huge pile of sh*t!
I want both to succeed. Dune is deep and fascinating, but Star Wars is escapism and that has it's place. When it's good at least. I don't have high expectations though.
Same and I'm a huge fan of the new Dune films
It always has been shit. Except for the extended universe.
What are you talking about? Star Wars, Empire and Jedi are an all time trilogy! Disney's been incredibly restrained in only releasing Rogue One and Andor so far. They could have been vomiting out a dozen films and TV shows by now, AND...I heard that Lucas gave them the bones of both a prequel and sequel trilogy when he sold.
You just aren't trying hard enough.
@kosefix aside from some rare gems like Andor, we haven't seen good Star Wars in a while, and the ratio of good to bad in the Disney era is pathetic.
That moment when you’re a casual Dune fan and a Star Wars fanatic but are more pumped for the next Dune installment than anything Star Wars…
they only promote girl bosses and non white content!Dune does show power dynamics between humans perfectly!
How can you be a Star Wars fanatic after 10 years of Disney? xD
@@hypolyxa7207
KotOR, KotOR II, Empire Strikes Back, Thrawn trilogy, Dark Forces, Mara Jade…
Lots of ways to be a fanatic and still loathe Di$ney
Glad Cleopatra movie is off the slate. My instincts tell me it has too much baggage. Rama would be cool, but hard scifi is risky.
OH man, I still want Rama, and Vileenueve can handle taht pretty well, Arrival was phenomenal
Thank you, Nerd Cookies.
Love the narration of this one.
Dune Messiah is going to be interesting. I'm curious how they're going to get Chani back with Paul.
She will get over it. In the books there was no greater follower of Paul than Chani. The films kind of deviated for drama factor I think.
Same!
@@erich4647 They Kelvin Timelined it.
I bet she is pregnant with the twins already.
@@TitoVespasianus That is a really good idea.
I am looking forward to *RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA.*
Hail Mary is a coming film that I can't wait to see. The book was great.
Nice. I still would love to see Dune 3 Part 2 basically be Children of Dune just to really make Dune 3 more epic and have more meaning so that we can eventually see God Emperor of Dune someday as a new movie or even as a series
Amen.
denis is going a different direction what with paul choosing the other path instead of the one in the book.
The first two Dune movies are beautiful feats of cinematography and incredible sci fi movies on their own merits, but honestly Dune Part 2 in particular is not a very good Dune adaptation, so I am left with no idea how Dune Part 3 can meaningfully adapt Dune Messiah and possibly parts of Children of Dune with the status quo as it stands at the end of Dune Part 2 as a starting point. I'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.
Still, all my Dune book series fan gripes aside, Villeneuve's Dune adaptations are still obviously vastly superior to anything Disney has ever done with Star Wars, and indeed that gulf in quality is so colossal that it is helping to highlight just how poorly Disney has performed as the custodian of the Star Wars franchise.
Why Chani is portrayed in that way which for me is really far from how she supported Usul. Her whole attitude was weird while in the books she supports him all the way in.
Looking forward to Dune 3. Thanks for the update. Please keep them coming Elaine.✌️✌️🙏🙏
Villeneuve needs to not wait too long. They need to get the 3rd film out while the audience interest in there. If they wait longer than 6 years, the interest will die down quickly past that.
Its not just that, there is always a chance that he might pull a Benioff and Weis and just walk away and abandon Dune because he gets a super inflated ego and thinks he should do other movies. He has already showed many similar attitudes as the disgraced GoT showrunners.
@@CoinSlotKitty Man, tell me you are full of shit as quickly as possible. Mission accomplished.
It's a possibility that we could see the 3rd film in December of 2026. It was around 2 1/2 years between Part 1 and 2.
It all depends on how the pieces fall into place. The budget/financing is #1, the film sets have to be built, the actors have to be free to film, all of the new wardrobes need to be tailored, film the initial photography, and finally all of the post CGI.
It will be interesting if they can pull it off.
And they finished filming part 2 in December 2022, so by the time 2026 roles around, 5 years will have passed
@@tgiacin435 *4 years (2026-2022 = 4)
I was the same, originally a hardcore starwars fan, particularly with the old Republic. Now entranced with the Dune movie and now books
Thanks Elaine
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Rebecca didn’t come back for this film, Jessica’s involvement in the story was a note after the stone burner. Though I’m hoping in the new film, Paul would adorn similar tattoos to Jessica but with the mentat lip tattoo.
I heard a Rumor the title that will be released is "Shai-Hulud vs Kong Revenge of Chani". I've watch both movies and there is something about them I am not a fan of possibly his interpretation of the book if you compare all of the dune movies TV and theatrical they all have things that are good the new films had grandeur but is that enough Dune is a hard book to film so many layers and are hard to separate. I will wait to see Part 3 I have hopes and you can ask for more than that. Sorry I had to redo some of my post I have cataracts in one of my eyes and its blurry sometimes.
Disney has Ruined Star Wars. I was so unimpressed with the last 3 and even some of the series. I know starnwars die hards that hate the last 3 movies so much they dont consider them star wars. Thanks for the update
Disney Star Wars is childish compared to Dune. Only the Andor treatment would allow Star Wars to survive in the age of Dune.
@@pragma5282 yes Dune is a much harsher place lol. With a much deeper history and world then star wars. I am very biased when it comes to Dune though lol
At this point there is no competition from Star Wars. It is a dead brand.
Those who ruined it can jump from franchise to franchise, so Dune isn't safe either. In fact there is some of The Message™ in the 2 Dune movies but most people never read the book so they wouldn't notice the few changes that were inspired by The Message™.
@@manwiththeredface7821are you referring to Liet Kynes? Just curious.
You left out an important step: the storyboarding is at least as important as the screenplay - especially for controlling costs. Villeneuve will want and need plenty of time to get through that stage. No one should expect to be able to rush things.
Like my favorite personal saying: "Do you want it *right*, or do you want it *right now*? You can have one or the other."
I will probably wait for this to hit streaming. I really didn't like Dune 2 all that much, and I don't have any illusons that the third one will be much better.
Being released in the same week as a Disney Star Wars couldn't be better as a lack of competition. However, it is all but guaranteed that any Disney Star Wars film will be delayed by 2 or 3 years while it is reshot 2 or 3 times from scratch.
I know that what I'll say next will not only be in the distinct minority, but most likely annoy, if not upset the enthusiastic hopefuls, but....
....I myself will have more-than-a-little trepidation about the third film.
Here's why:..
I fear that certain, key aspects of plot will be muddled if not worse (( oversimplified? ...abandoned altogether?!? )), BECAUSE of the choices(( MISTAKES; ERRORS )) Denis made within Part-1 and 2, namely the diminished(( ALMOST ERASED )) significance and thus presence of both the Spacing Guild and the Mentats....
I suppose I could try to speculate as to why [ Denis Villeneuve ] made those choices, but at this time, I feel that I don't have the wherewithall, let alone the patience...
Because of those decisions -- marginalizing/diminishing the significance of the Spacing Guild, and relegating the Mentats to at best a curiosity(( one not even afforded the dignity of even being identified/addressed within Part-1 )) problems WILL immediately crop up and from the very beginning...
For example:: Because of how the Spacing Guild were rendered, I don't see how we are going to really care about one of the key antagonists -- _Edric, a Spacing Guild Navigator in mid-to-late stage, Spice-induced mutation_ -- let alone understand/appreciate his motivations...
I'm not even going to try to express my immense disappointment with how Chani was portrayed, but even so, there will need to be a thorough workaround in order to ensure that the ending will be at least mostly(?) in keeping with 'Dune Messiah'
I want to have hope, but honestly, I have trepidation instead....
Was hoping for Rendezvous With Rama as well. I know, greedy...
Im wondering if it will combine Paul of Dune and Messiah?
I’d love to see Villeneuve adapt Rama, I thought it was the most interesting of the projects he’s been linked with. Although Villeneuve probably wants to pivot away from sci-fi so he’s not pigeonholed. I’d be happy to wait for Dune 3 but I realize the challenge of getting all actors to agree with a new contract.
I don’t care when it comes out, within reason of course. Just do the story justice. Don’t rush something out to capitalize on some type of perceived hype or because you need to get the merch out by a certain time. Just make things the way they should be and the way this movie deserves. However long that takes. We don’t want or need another Star Wars franchise.
While I disagree with some of the changes made to the story in Dune 2 at least the people in charge of making Dune have experience and know how to make a good, successful movie. Star Wars does not.
Fantastic video as always. I enjoy your Dune videos.
I am noticing you did something different with the audio on this one. I like it. It makes you sound more human. A comment that I have received from some of my other nerd friends is your videos tend to sound a little robotic. Whatever you did different on this one, to my ear, makes you sound a little more relatable.
I hate to admit, but I haven’t listened to one of your videos in about a month. I don’t know if this is a new thing with this video or if you’ve changed it a while ago. For what it’s worth, I thought you might find useful some positive feedback on the change.
Good to know! Honestly the only change is that I'm not scripting anything anymore just speaking off the cuff. Sometimes I have notes for reference but that's about it. Trying to cover more content and it's impossible to script everything and ramp up my coverage.
Wow, I'm kind of glad this is happening so soon. Probably shouldn't be too surprised though, Warner Bros. want and need another big win. Great video.
Nuclear War: A Scenario isn't nonfiction. It's speculative fiction at best, and gets too many of the scientific details wrong to be anything other than scifi.
They're holding back the title because a two for one shoot of Messiah and Children, releasing in '26 and '27, is still in play.
Oh yes pleeeeezzz!!!
I was actually hoping they’d wait a while and let the actors age and all that…
I was thinking that a bit as well. It’s a 12 year gap in the books if I remember correctly. But they can do some aging with makeup and cgi. And with the spice extending life spans, there wouldn’t be as much of an aging difference in that time.
@@emilywilhite5807 - but also, Anya Taylor-Joy, playing Alia, is currently 28… I suppose she could pull-off playing a teenager, but Timothee Chalamet and Zendaya and Rebecca Ferguson all look very young for their ages, too 🤷🏻♂️
Long live the fighters !
Dont rush the production. Dune part 2 was excellent.
Hoping to god he casts Peter Dinklage as Bijaz and Doug Jones or David Howard Thornton as Edric! I'm curious about this one because Irulan plays a *BIG BIG* part in the story and Florence Pugh displayed enough in her screentime. And we might be getting Anya coming back as Alia.. which is gonna be weird as hell given the changes Dune Part 2 did and don't get me started on the weird Alia and Hayt thing.
If they’re rushing Dune Messiah then it means that it must have made a lot on digital downloads and they need to capitalise on this popularity
I would rather wait for Denis than rush a December 2026 premier without him.
The reason they haven’t stated that it is Messiah is because they have to lock down the actors, the screenplay, the musician and cinematography, etc.
Denis back on DUNE? I'm 1,000% here for it... strike before the idea cools. I see so few films in the theater anymore; if I want popcorn escapism, I'll stream it for less than a theater ticket and not leave my couch. DUNE is something I have no regrets about shelling out some dollars for a serious immersive theatrical experience. Bring it on!
I'm not a huge fan of the Dune saga to begin with (though I've read the first 3 books and seen the 1984 film, turn-of-century mini-series, read several of the prequels and seen the Vil films). The story simply is NOT appealing to me as I'm not into tragedies. But Vil told the story well. I can at least admire the craftsmanship. I'll see Dune 3 when it comes out.
Dune 3 is the Choice !!! 💯%
I’m hoping they do children and god emperor. Maybe make a second trilogy and like make one of them a 2 parter potentially. But first, we need messiah.
Sure, but it is not many Villeneuw…
Maybe that flare lens director that did make new star treck films or those who did the Poer of the rings or other cheap director!
@@haukionkannel don’t even joke like that. I’m willing to give Abrams a pass because of how Disney screwed him with the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Would like to see 2 more Dune movies in order to complete the story as written.
Please 🙏 be Dune Messiah ❤
Might want to add a few question marks to the title lol. Dune 3 is not yet confirmed to be his next film.
Doubt that _any_ D Star Wars movie can compete with DUNE III. 😂
Can't wait for Galaxy Quest park to open !!!!!!!!!!!!!! By Grabthar's hammer....
I'm already worried about how the Chani changes will effect film 3.
Now I'm more worried they might be rushing film 3.
I'm pretty sure what the December 2026 film is, is very much locked down with more specific plans that Villeneuve is on-board with, but they're not gonna publicly announce until start of production gets close to actually starting, in case not everything can get locked in place for it.... and I am confident it is Messiah, and not just because of some headlines that are making hasty assumptions. I figure the script for Messiah might have simply happened to reach a state that's up to whatever high standard Villeneuve set for it.
BUT.
I also think the "break" from Dune is still a thing for Villeneuve. I have a... feeling that we will get some kind of announcement for a "smaller" Villeneuve film very soon, which could as well be in production if not post-production already, while the project referred to in this news probably isn't even starting production this year yet.
Also, just a reminder that, prior to spending several years crafting Dune films, 3 years each, Villeneuve had a very efficient/fast run of 5 incredible film releases over the course of 5 years (Prisoners, Enemy, Sicario, Arrival, BR2049, all came out 2013-2018).
The hype is so real for film 3. cant wait to see it. i have a strong indication that they are saving the grand finale for the 3rd film. 🥳🤩
I’m going to be really honest and controversial. In any adaptation of the Rama series books, they should skip right past book one, which is a good book, but could be seen as a boring story. Rama 2 and sequels are a lot more interesting and exciting, in my very humble opinion. I really want Dune 3 to be made, but how do they reconcile what happened with Chani at the end of Dune part 2 where she should be a central figure with a tragic ending for her in Dune Messiah.
Don’t hold your breath on that Star Wars movie!
I would be happy witha delay in the Rey movie if they could get Dennis Villeneuve to write/direct.
This is a cynical theory but it’s possible they’re terrified the prequel series on max is going to be compared to the acolyte so they want his movie out asap while the IP is still relevant
I wonder if Hollywood will force a happy ending on this movie. Like they did with the 1984 Dune and 1982 Blade Runner. The story as it is in the book could disappoint people. It could do fine at the box office because people think it's a hero story like Dune 1+2. Like The Last Jedi was a box office hit even though people hated it. I am sure Villeneuve will end his Dune saga here, so that maybe okay. Unlike Star Wars that had to pick up the mess to make the final film in the trilogy.
Anyone who agrees to have Villeneuve make a film presumably knows that "happy endings" AREN'T his thing...
Yes! Put Dune against Disney Star Wars and let’s see what happens
Diane sounds different here, somehow. Tired maybe? I’m not sure. No criticism, just an observation. She can do what she wants, bc she’s who I go to for my SF news, but… yeah. I hope you’re doing okay Diane!
0:33: How can we have a "non fiction" novel about Nuclear War - unless its purely centred around Nagasaki and Hiroshima?
You can't have a "non fiction" account of a "a timeline of a hypothetical first strike ...". "Non fiction" and "hypothetical" are opposites.
DUN3 FTW! 🤟
Star Wars should of been renamed "Star Joke" about 20 years ago. It has jumped so many sharks that it is impossible to watch or to take anything seriously from that franchise.
After Part 2 I really don’t care about Part 3. It was a confused rushed mess. Would have rather Dune was adapted in to 3 films and had missing characters and storylines. Shame I loved part one, came out of the cinema very dissapointed.
Disney is killing everything they touch nowadays. Not a penny to them.
I hope they will decide to do two movies at once, messiah and children. Get to God Emperor before our favorite sword master is too old for the role!
Bring on the stoneburner ! Lol
I want to see what a stoneburner looks like
I hope this gets released the same weekend as Disney Star Wars, so that movie can be demolished!
YES!
He fucked up the first two. Have zero interest in this one. DV is nothing but a vanity filmmaker who thinks he isn't one. And yet dune had the most vanity of any Hwood production I've seen in recent years. A genius book like Dune was degraded to a series of well shot vignettes that all but kneecapped the story and characters, if not outright castrated it.
Shame on you, Denis Villeneuve.
9 and a half minute for a date 😪
Disney is done. Go woke, get broke.
If Disney / Lucasfilm hires me to write stories for movies I will dominate Villeneuve’s Dune 3 or WB will move the film. I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! So Disney / Lucasfilm are you ready to get serious about Star Wars or do you want to continue to let people play in a sandbox? Give Hope a chance and give fans the Star Wars movies they deserve! And please set me loose to help dominate your rivals Disney! Have Hope fans!
There is NO WAY that stupid Rey movie is going to get anywhere. I don't even see it getting greenlit & going into full production with the amount of money they've lost in the last few years & how badly SW is doing right now thanks to Acolyte which even normies & lefties are trashing.
Honestly, I believe that the Hollywood Studio system needs to chill out and let Denis Villeneuve make the types of films that he's envisioned. Seriously if Villeneuve wants to attempt to tackle the Star Wars Universe; great! But I'm against the idea. Star Wars is a huge crap show without anyone at the helm to offer direction and guidance. What needs to happen with regards to Star Wars; is they need someone who can merge the source material, into a cohesive plot, and find a director who's willing to offer constructive guidelines for production. Too much time has been wasted on making mediocre movies; not something that wow's the audiences the way the original stories did.
The reason why I don't think that Villeneuve's the right choice to rescue the Star Wars Universe, is because they need a singular grownup at the helm to steer the movie to a fitting conclusion.
Villeneuve is someone who can respect the source material of Dune and make the production something fresh; honestly, I would love to see Villeneuve tackle the Butlerian Jihad, something that hasn't been envisioned yet? Maybe even a story using the later books to tell the story of the titular Atreides of old earth?
Villeneuve isn't a Star Wars fan, so him taking on a dumpster fire of Star Wars is a bit like having a sculptor designing a Skyscraper. While the sculptor has the vision, he doesn't possess the expertise at designing for the structural load for a building to support the mass required. I'm hopeful you understand my metaphor.
It would be great to think that Denis can remake the Star Wars universe into something new, but Denis already has enough vision in his current universe to continue making movies into the foreseeable future.
Honestly, Hollywood needs to back off and allow Villeneuve to work on projects that excite him. He's already shown us that he's committed to providing very interesting storylines that haven't been seen before.
Maybe, have Star Wars writers hone their craft better and we'll come back to that universe? But, if they keep making crap? Then Star Wars will become an even bigger joke than it already has become!
Your voice sound very different today Elaine
Yeah I'm not scripting content anymore.
So then you don't actually know, right?
Current year Star Wars isn't worthy of being a stain on Dune's undergarments. If Dune Messiah, it would decimate Star Woke Now Blunders.
They kind of screwed up the story already. I'm guessing dune 3 is going to be a train wreck. The source material from the second book on gets really long winded and never really captures the magic of dune. Book 2 sets up the god emperor. Like Paul has kids. One of them is kind of a little unlikeable brat. He grows up to be... oh that's the next book. He grows up to be a worm. He becomes emperor but he is still a little brat. No one likes him. Duncan clone tries to kill him. The end.
Than the sex power witches come from the Scattering and have a civil war with the BG along with the help of Space Jews, kid Duncan gets mind raped, a girl name Sheera ...I actually forgot what happens after ngl
Wheres the truth 😤 😅
I just don't care
I honestly do not care if DV makes another Dune movie or not. In fact, I would rather he didn't.
He has ruined the Dune franchise for a generation by making it a superficial good v baddy army boy king wins story on Mars.
People not familiar with the books would come away from both movies with zero understanding of the mystical, philosophical and political depths of the books. They would not understand the Bene Gesserit, the spice, the Guild, the Imperium and the breeding project let alone prescience.
All they will see is cute boy on goody side gets attacked by baddies and has some weird dreams then spends a year whispering and shouting like Austin Powers coming out of the ice.
What a load of forgettable le garbage these movies are.
Villeneuve is nothing more than a jumped up cinematographer who writes cringe as fk dialogue.
Let his version die off and be forgotten for a few years then let's have a proper visionary do a multi season, ten episode per season with the first and last episode being 90 minutes and the rest 60 minutes version of Dune.
Yeah I said it, fk DV.
I mean, I hate to have to say it because based on his interviews I actually love him as a person. He has a wonderful personality but is a horrible director who doesn't understand the difference between complexity and depth.
If you asked me in the late `80’s what I would be more excited to see, more Dune or more Star Wars, it would be Star Wars all the way. Today there is no question it’s Dune!
Warner Bros. Back then not committed to a Second movie........... Now$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is all they see. REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE IT DOESN'T AFFECT DENIS'S ABILITY TO COMPLETE THIS TRILOGY AS A MASTERPIECE. Anyway head to head with Star Wars, no comparison Disney has destroyed the franchise PERIOD.
After the mess that was part 2. It will be way easier waiting for a likely new disappointment.
I'm not a huge fan of the Dune saga to begin with (though I've read the first 3 books and seen the 1984 film, turn-of-century mini-series, read several of the prequels and seen the Vil films). The story simply is NOT appealing to me as I'm not into tragedies. But Vil told the story well. I can at least admire the craftsmanship.
He is starting to act like the disgraced GoT showrunners. He has already displayed many of thier bad behaviors and he will get worse the more people inflate his ego.
I want part 3
But I’ll be patient 😊
I think Villeneuve has bought himself a lot of goodwill from the fanbase with Dune 1 & 2. (🤔Funny how honoring canon and making good movies will do that. Disney? Are you taking notes?) I'm willing to wait if it means "Dune Messiah" is a quality match to the first and second movies.
I want to see the upcoming Godzilla Kong movie being directed by DV. Hopefully the plan to make the nuclear war film is just distraction, and my dream is premonition. Thanks for the great update, Elaine.
Just stop calling it part 3, it's not, it's the next book, dune messiah, followed by children of dune.
The whole part thing isn't a trend to waste people's time with an absolute nothing first half, it's the first book divided for manageability
"Competition" with Star Wars...made me nearly spit out my drink. Star Wars is dead. If they release at the same time it will be the death of the SW film.
Voice sounds different . Is this still the same chick
Seeing as Star Wars has been totally ruined, I couldn’t care less about it. In fact, they should really just quit while they’re behind.
I will no longer see a movie if every review raves about the "stunning cinematography." The storytelling has been terrible in both Dune movies so far. If you are unimpressed by artsy visuals, both movies are unwatchable. I won't see another film made by this director. He is way over-hyped.
Will not be viewing Rey
Denis gave fans what we wanted: A glorious, beautiful, accurate, and well acted movie.
Star Wars: Our fans are horrible, and Ezra Miller will be the next Jedi and some women who will immediately blame yt men for their poor acting. Now go buy the merchandise, now!
I love Lucas Star Wars, and I'm fine with that. Other artists have created IP that is worth a wider audience.