As someone who is almost 75 years old I don't have as much time to wait for 'Dune Messiah'.... so please, please get on with it, thank you. From an ardent fan who has read ALL the books several times over!
A lot can happen between now and then. I'm a bit cool on the CLEOPATRA project but more interested in RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA. I know there are many who see movies as simple entertainment to be enjoyed and forgotten, but I want to watch movies that inspire, provoke emotion, and live on in thought and conversation. Not every director can be a Villenueve but I just want to see the creative bar raised and more risks taken across the movie industry.
Ow wow, it’s good to hear that the “Rendezvous with Rama” film is still in the works. I read that whole series. I discovered it in my middle school library on a whim. Your narrative voice in this vid seems elevated/improved, NC. Not sure what is different, but keep it up!
@@ukrainefighter2456 The story itself is nothing fancy. A huge object/vessel enters our solar system and a crew of astronauts have limited time to board and investigate before it leaves the system. It’s more about the exploration of the unknown and what mysteries the craft holds. Would look insane on the big screen though. There are sequels that expand things quite a bit more.
@@Zachfive cool! It kinda sounds a bit like the expanse. well maybe not exactly like it. but does the story have a bit more action? Or is it just purely on mystery stories? Btw. What did you think of dune pt2? i thought it was the best movie iv seen in years. 😇👏. denis villenueve is an amazing movie director and probably the best one of our generation alongside chris nolan. Do you agree?
I want Mr.Villeneuve to take his time when adapting the massive and epic Messiah. Doing a screenplay for that book is a daunting task. Like Miss Ferguson and Taylor-Joy said, there is a lot that has to go into this adaptation, and rushing will do no good. As long as the film doesn't take six years to make. I will be happy when it comes.
I'm like legit insanely excited by the chance to see RAMA as directed by Denis. I hope bro takes a break--he deserves it. Love the idea of him casually just dropping another watershed scifi adaptation (this time, Isamov) just as a little vacay before getting back into the DUNE 3 slalom. Denis is rapidly becoming my GOAT.
A few comments. 1) I'd like to see Villenueve tackle Taylor Sheriden's third (if I recall correctly) SIcario movie. Definitely a small movie by comparison. 2) Villenueve has already compressed the timeline in Dune2, so the 12 year gap is perhaps suggestive and not definitive. 3) as another comment has suggested--I'm not that excited about Cleopatra, and frankly not particularly excited about Rama either. So, my $0.02 do SIcario 3 and the get back to Dune Messiah and solve the Channi character.
Also hoping the traps so common to sequels are avoided. If Villeneuve's appetite for Dune is a bit spent, I say let's just savor the first two for now.
At most I'd wait patiently if there is only one movie between part 2 and messiah, which would be around 6 years most. Going longer would just ruin my patience entirely.
Even as a STAUNCH defender of Avatar waiting-fatigue became ambivalence and I never actually got to watch Avatar2... was no longer 'invested'. An active franchise needs boots on the ground, not pie in the sky.
If they didn't have "Dune 3" ready to roll it would have been grand if the last movie ended with a closer vibe to the book. I mean Chani was so upset she's still riding off on that worm!!
It would be incredibly hard to make Dune Messiah without heavy changes. It would be great to merge it with aspects of Children of Dune. Otherwise I doubt there is enough meat to do a film just on Messiah.
Childrens way too big though. I think messiah could work maybe with an extended prologue where he shows some of the holy war. But people want big action and messiah wont really do it for them, until the end maybe with some edits. I would love it though
There was a great what if . Nuclear war ( the day after) it was a massive tv event in the 80s scared people to death. Very unpleasant but essential viewing I remember two British things. One was an animated film , two elderly people trying to survive, the old man following all the recommended survival advice. Doesn't end well and think the beginning of up. Except she/ he die in the end .( sorry spoilers) but its a nuclear apocalypse .
I don’t think he will ever make Messiah. Someone else will, and could be for the better…maybe. Cameron had Battle Angel sitting on his desk for many years before he passed it on to Rodriguez, who did a good job in the end.
Im fine if they make certain changes for Messiah. A huge expectation has been made, so perhaps including a bit of a Fremen civil war as the climax would be fine. As long as they keep most of the conflict political and internal. The very end probably will be about the same, since Villeneuve described the ending of Messiah to be one of his favorites, so that is a good sign. As long as he has the twins be born (allowing for somebody to adapt Children of Dune), and Paul does his walk, then I'll be good.
It is weird that Timothee and Zendaya haven't been announced to be cast in anything films. Josh and Austin have been cast in like 2 movies. Austin's character is dead so he is free to work on anything he likes. And Josh seems like he has small supporting roles in his next films. Nothing that will take up too much time or overlap into Messiah's schedule. But nothing for Dune's leads??? After T's current film and Z I think is doing another Spider-Man movie. But nothing planned after those projects.
I'm not excited at all by a Dune 3! However, I wouldn't be surprised if Denis Villeneuve next project is the adaptation of "Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War" book which would make a very, very good movie in his hands. 🤞🤞
Seems like dune franchise holds a special place amongst the pop culture zeitgeist. It should and must take the reins at sci-fi space opera genre. Star wars is pretty much irrelevant now. Dune will be the hottest commodity in the town.
The more time that passes the less likely the third movie will ever get made all the actors will have new projects! It’s hard to to get lots of people on the same page
Sounds more like 2028 before he returns to Arrakis. Especially with these other projects he wants to do (or has to do). If he continues to be successful on balance, the third Dune movie should be astounding. The Studios will give him anything he wants by that time most likely. Great video.
Thanks Elaine. If they can make game of thrones court politics interesting and have battles I mean there is no reason it couldn't be as big . Showing the war Or paul direcing the war from his keep If they used the encyclopedia he and chain leave with the fedykin the biggest battle of the war . And its mentioned in messiah. The victory upsets his enemies. Eddric is agitated . The book has a 9 mouth time line or a little longer.
If Dennis' goal of doing a project away from dune is to happen that could be anywhere from. 2-5yrs duration then however long it would take to make dune 3 which could be 2-3yrs so in theory a max of about 8yrs till dune 3 could be sooner 🤷
As difficult as Dune (book one) was to adapt, it at least followed a somewhat typical "Hero's Journey" structure. Dune Messiah is a lot slower, and weirder, with a lot of the narrative tension happening via internal dialogue.We know Villeneuve is not a big narration guy, so I really wonder how he plans to approach this story. P.S. Peter Dinklage seems like the obvious choice to cast as Bijaz, but it could also be a good opportunity for another actor within the community
Would a big star be willing to do what Paul did in Masiah? Based on what I hear, Cleopatra is already misscastes. Rama may be good but the book is a rich story that does not lend itself to check the box casting.
Nerd Cookies, Thanks for another great video! 👍👍👏 Cleopatra, Nooooooooooo! "Rendezvous with Rama" could be very interesting, but not a lot of action in the novel; not sure a movie would attract a big audience.
2:28 huh... doesn't look like Cleopatra like it needs sandy yellow background, some pyramids and she needs to be wearing more golden egyptian garb. She just looks like some random medieval nobel not EGYPTIAN QUEEN like did egyptians really have hairnets with pearls and stuff?
Future Dune projects should be series. With a GoT budget this will allow it to explore the lore and ideas more in my opinion. High budget films are too risky and exhausting these days
Personally, my expectations on Dune Messiah are much higher than they were for Dune part 2, which kinda left me unsatisfied. Mind you it was the second best Dune movie ever made (after Dune part 1), but as I said from the start, Dune should have been three movies. Too much was left out and I didn't buy the magic tricks that made the sudden changes to Paul and Jessica. Messiah however is a big story with a lot of shocks in it. No more epic battles but a really interesting storyline. I am very very curious.
If there's anybody that can adapt the Ender's Game Universe books, it's Denis. Sadly I don't think it's ever going to get a good adaptation, even though I thought that Gavin Hood adaptation was pretty good. The design for the Formics was exactly how I envisioned it in my head
It's going to happen, you can't wait long with that many in demand actors. Anyone with half a brain would seize the opportunity to drop everything and go all out until the Dune saga is finished. I bet they even shot some scenes already for Dune part 3 while shooting Dune part 2.
I don’t think they will move forward with the Dune series. The Story is good but it’s not as cinematic with big action scenes. It’s more story driven than action. Sadly that doesn’t sell tickets anymore.
Honestly after what he did with Chani in the second movie I don't even care to see a third. Seems like he totally missed the point of the end of the book: "That woman over there will be my wife and you but a concubine because this is a political thing and we must weld peace out of this moment" Paul - “Do you know so little of my son?” Jessica whispered. “See that princess standing there, so haughty and confident: They say she has pretensions of a literary nature. Let us hope she finds solace in such things; she’ll have little else.” A bitter laugh escaped Jessica. “Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she’ll live as less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she’s bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.” Chani in this movie acted like a petulant child throughout the entire thing, and their chemistry was non-existent. Even how Villeneuve changed how Chani viewed her nickname from Usul - Sihaya. The movie lost me there.
Om not looking forward to cleopatra, with modern filmmakers they will not do traditional or accurate. Her life Remember gal gadot and patty Jenkins were going to do cleopatra. Cleopatra would have to be a massive production He did a terrible job on napoleon. He basically took an 80s tv mini series version focused on Josephine changes napoleon . And Josephine. The mini was better. With worse battle scenes and a tv budget ( think dune mini series) it on RUclips free
The gender swap doesn’t line up well for WB the ending of two is disappointing and between the lack of dialogue and omission of so many factions in the book Villeneuve has directed his way to a cold welcome so I think he and Legendary should let Messiah go.
Obviously there will have to be a Dune Part 3. I mean Dune Part 2 ends with Chani leaving not as Paul's concubine? That's not correct......that's not what we even saw from Paul's prescient visions. So the ending of Part 2 literally begs for a Part 3. So I think any talk of "if" Part 3 will happen is so much silliness. Its going to happen. The question should always be not "if" but "when".
Did you watch the video? Denis is tired of working on Dune, there's no script, none of the actors are committed to a third movie which means the talent cost would go way up (based d1/d2's success, and the actors' rising fame generally), which means corners would need to be cut. Wishes aren't horses.
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So incredibly hyped for Dune Messiah 🔥
I really hope he takes his time on all these. We've seen so many talented people in Hollywood burn out and go crazy from juggling too much
As someone who is almost 75 years old I don't have as much time to wait for 'Dune Messiah'.... so please, please get on with it, thank you. From an ardent fan who has read ALL the books several times over!
A lot can happen between now and then. I'm a bit cool on the CLEOPATRA project but more interested in RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA. I know there are many who see movies as simple entertainment to be enjoyed and forgotten, but I want to watch movies that inspire, provoke emotion, and live on in thought and conversation. Not every director can be a Villenueve but I just want to see the creative bar raised and more risks taken across the movie industry.
Ow wow, it’s good to hear that the “Rendezvous with Rama” film is still in the works. I read that whole series. I discovered it in my middle school library on a whim. Your narrative voice in this vid seems elevated/improved, NC. Not sure what is different, but keep it up!
What is rendezvous with rama all about?🤔is it a fascinating story?
@@ukrainefighter2456 The story itself is nothing fancy. A huge object/vessel enters our solar system and a crew of astronauts have limited time to board and investigate before it leaves the system. It’s more about the exploration of the unknown and what mysteries the craft holds. Would look insane on the big screen though. There are sequels that expand things quite a bit more.
@@Zachfive cool! It kinda sounds a bit like the expanse. well maybe not exactly like it. but does the story have a bit more action? Or is it just purely on mystery stories? Btw. What did you think of dune pt2? i thought it was the best movie iv seen in years. 😇👏. denis villenueve is an amazing movie director and probably the best one of our generation alongside chris nolan. Do you agree?
I want Mr.Villeneuve to take his time when adapting the massive and epic Messiah. Doing a screenplay for that book is a daunting task. Like Miss Ferguson and Taylor-Joy said, there is a lot that has to go into this adaptation, and rushing will do no good. As long as the film doesn't take six years to make. I will be happy when it comes.
This is such good news: I love rendezvous with Rama!
I would love to get a film version of DUNE: Messiah with a realistically aged Paul, Chani, Jessica, Gurney etc. etc.
don't forget that the spice delays their aging.... at least that's my understanding.
@@annk1019 its still 12 years in the book, Denis can make it 15 or 20, if he wants…
@@TripleTSingtcan't wait for heretics of Dune in 5524...
5554* 😂
@@chriselyr2484recasting Jason Momoa.
Fans aren't interested in Cleopatra... we want the next Dune PLEASE!
I want next Dune too, but I can´t wait too see Cleopatra as well. I´m sure it´s gonna be amazing😉
I'm like legit insanely excited by the chance to see RAMA as directed by Denis. I hope bro takes a break--he deserves it. Love the idea of him casually just dropping another watershed scifi adaptation (this time, Isamov) just as a little vacay before getting back into the DUNE 3 slalom. Denis is rapidly becoming my GOAT.
A few comments. 1) I'd like to see Villenueve tackle Taylor Sheriden's third (if I recall correctly) SIcario movie. Definitely a small movie by comparison. 2) Villenueve has already compressed the timeline in Dune2, so the 12 year gap is perhaps suggestive and not definitive. 3) as another comment has suggested--I'm not that excited about Cleopatra, and frankly not particularly excited about Rama either. So, my $0.02 do SIcario 3 and the get back to Dune Messiah and solve the Channi character.
If he does make the 3rd Dune film, hopefully, Denis can manage to avoid the insidious trap of "waiting too long for the sequel".
Fucking thank you
Also hoping the traps so common to sequels are avoided. If Villeneuve's appetite for Dune is a bit spent, I say let's just savor the first two for now.
He said the script is almost ready so it’s definitely in the works
At most I'd wait patiently if there is only one movie between part 2 and messiah, which would be around 6 years most. Going longer would just ruin my patience entirely.
Even as a STAUNCH defender of Avatar waiting-fatigue became ambivalence and I never actually got to watch Avatar2... was no longer 'invested'. An active franchise needs boots on the ground, not pie in the sky.
I can tell you how dune from Villeneuve will look like: Chani is overthrowing Paul and will be empress with Stilgar as her jester.
If they didn't have "Dune 3" ready to roll it would have been grand if the last movie ended with a closer vibe to the book. I mean Chani was so upset she's still riding off on that worm!!
It would be incredibly hard to make Dune Messiah without heavy changes. It would be great to merge it with aspects of Children of Dune. Otherwise I doubt there is enough meat to do a film just on Messiah.
Childrens way too big though. I think messiah could work maybe with an extended prologue where he shows some of the holy war. But people want big action and messiah wont really do it for them, until the end maybe with some edits.
I would love it though
There was a great what if . Nuclear war ( the day after) it was a massive tv event in the 80s scared people to death.
Very unpleasant but essential viewing
I remember two British things. One was an animated film , two elderly people trying to survive, the old man following all the recommended survival advice. Doesn't end well and think the beginning of up. Except she/ he die in the end .( sorry spoilers) but its a nuclear apocalypse .
When the wind blows….
I don’t think he will ever make Messiah. Someone else will, and could be for the better…maybe. Cameron had Battle Angel sitting on his desk for many years before he passed it on to Rodriguez, who did a good job in the end.
Im fine if they make certain changes for Messiah. A huge expectation has been made, so perhaps including a bit of a Fremen civil war as the climax would be fine. As long as they keep most of the conflict political and internal. The very end probably will be about the same, since Villeneuve described the ending of Messiah to be one of his favorites, so that is a good sign. As long as he has the twins be born (allowing for somebody to adapt Children of Dune), and Paul does his walk, then I'll be good.
The Cats Cradle would be cool. We could watch Hell freeze over.
I hope he makes it into two films. 🎥 to really cover the storyline.
It is weird that Timothee and Zendaya haven't been announced to be cast in anything films. Josh and Austin have been cast in like 2 movies. Austin's character is dead so he is free to work on anything he likes. And Josh seems like he has small supporting roles in his next films. Nothing that will take up too much time or overlap into Messiah's schedule. But nothing for Dune's leads??? After T's current film and Z I think is doing another Spider-Man movie. But nothing planned after those projects.
Could you doe a video about the harkeonen miltary please 🙏
What Harkonnen military?
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Thanks Elaine
I'm not excited at all by a Dune 3! However, I wouldn't be surprised if Denis Villeneuve next project is the adaptation of "Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War" book which would make a very, very good movie in his hands. 🤞🤞
Nobody really asked for that. Everybody wants DUNE!🤪
Seems like dune franchise holds a special place amongst the pop culture zeitgeist. It should and must take the reins at sci-fi space opera genre. Star wars is pretty much irrelevant now. Dune will be the hottest commodity in the town.
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The more time that passes the less likely the third movie will ever get made all the actors will have new projects! It’s hard to to get lots of people on the same page
I think the actors will just end up dropping out of a project if they have too.
I hope it comes sooner than later.
Sounds more like 2028 before he returns to Arrakis. Especially with these other projects he wants to do (or has to do). If he continues to be successful on balance, the third Dune movie should be astounding. The Studios will give him anything he wants by that time most likely. Great video.
Thanks Elaine. If they can make game of thrones court politics interesting and have battles
I mean there is no reason it couldn't be as big . Showing the war
Or paul direcing the war from his keep
If they used the encyclopedia he and chain leave with the fedykin the biggest battle of the war . And its mentioned in messiah. The victory upsets his enemies. Eddric is agitated .
The book has a 9 mouth time line or a little longer.
Correction - writer of 1917 is writing Cleopatra.
That's a better endorsement.
Definitely a tasty cookie 🍪
If Dennis' goal of doing a project away from dune is to happen that could be anywhere from. 2-5yrs duration then however long it would take to make dune 3 which could be 2-3yrs so in theory a max of about 8yrs till dune 3 could be sooner 🤷
As difficult as Dune (book one) was to adapt, it at least followed a somewhat typical "Hero's Journey" structure. Dune Messiah is a lot slower, and weirder, with a lot of the narrative tension happening via internal dialogue.We know Villeneuve is not a big narration guy, so I really wonder how he plans to approach this story.
P.S. Peter Dinklage seems like the obvious choice to cast as Bijaz, but it could also be a good opportunity for another actor within the community
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I'm 100% in favor of a pause before Dune 3. I think getting the screenplay just right is so important before moving forward.
Would a big star be willing to do what Paul did in Masiah? Based on what I hear, Cleopatra is already misscastes. Rama may be good but the book is a rich story that does not lend itself to check the box casting.
Nerd Cookies, Thanks for another great video! 👍👍👏
Cleopatra, Nooooooooooo!
"Rendezvous with Rama" could be very interesting, but not a lot of action in the novel; not sure a movie would attract a big audience.
You can expect the common viewer to be like "WTF 👀" 😂
2:28 huh... doesn't look like Cleopatra like it needs sandy yellow background, some pyramids and she needs to be wearing more golden egyptian garb. She just looks like some random medieval nobel not EGYPTIAN QUEEN like did egyptians really have hairnets with pearls and stuff?
Future Dune projects should be series. With a GoT budget this will allow it to explore the lore and ideas more in my opinion. High budget films are too risky and exhausting these days
Personally, my expectations on Dune Messiah are much higher than they were for Dune part 2, which kinda left me unsatisfied. Mind you it was the second best Dune movie ever made (after Dune part 1), but as I said from the start, Dune should have been three movies. Too much was left out and I didn't buy the magic tricks that made the sudden changes to Paul and Jessica. Messiah however is a big story with a lot of shocks in it. No more epic battles but a really interesting storyline. I am very very curious.
I thought his next project was going to be Rendezvous with Rama...?
They should shouldn't mess around. It's time to get on with it.
If there's anybody that can adapt the Ender's Game Universe books, it's Denis. Sadly I don't think it's ever going to get a good adaptation, even though I thought that Gavin Hood adaptation was pretty good. The design for the Formics was exactly how I envisioned it in my head
He should do a series of Beckett Plays and step away from SFX spectacles for a decade. This will help give him perspective.
I'll see what I can do.
I wish they would make Terry Brooks', "Magic Kingdom for sale--sold!" into a movie.
That would be so awesome!!
Come on Den, I'm not getting any younger here
Cleopatra? Please 🙏🏽! No more Zendaya
I don’t know if it can happen in 2026
Im to the point they should put Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune into production.
Cleopatra has the same screen writer who did Ridley Scott's Napoleon? Well that's going to be a dumpster fire
It's going to happen, you can't wait long with that many in demand actors. Anyone with half a brain would seize the opportunity to drop everything and go all out until the Dune saga is finished. I bet they even shot some scenes already for Dune part 3 while shooting Dune part 2.
All I know is if we don’t get Dune 3 it will be a crime against humanity.
Some changes do not make sense in the series so far.
Oh no, he is gonna make Cleopatra an angsty teen and cast Zendaayanana, or whatever, in the role.
I don’t think they will move forward with the Dune series. The Story is good but it’s not as cinematic with big action scenes. It’s more story driven than action. Sadly that doesn’t sell tickets anymore.
2027 if we're lucky 🍀 🤞
Honestly after what he did with Chani in the second movie I don't even care to see a third. Seems like he totally missed the point of the end of the book: "That woman over there will be my wife and you but a concubine because this is a political thing and we must weld peace out of this moment" Paul - “Do you know so little of my son?” Jessica whispered. “See that princess standing there, so haughty and confident: They say she has pretensions of a literary nature. Let us hope she finds solace in such things; she’ll have little else.” A bitter laugh escaped Jessica. “Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she’ll live as less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she’s bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.” Chani in this movie acted like a petulant child throughout the entire thing, and their chemistry was non-existent. Even how Villeneuve changed how Chani viewed her nickname from Usul - Sihaya. The movie lost me there.
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I think he releases dune in 2028.
It's probably better if Villeneuve just leaves Dune and we wait another ten years for a reboot that actually does Dune right
Dune right? What's wrong with Denis's Dune?
1st
after how they changed the story in Dune 2, I want no part of Dune 3. Keep it.
2030😂
Om not looking forward to cleopatra, with modern filmmakers they will not do traditional or accurate. Her life
Remember gal gadot and patty Jenkins were going to do cleopatra.
Cleopatra would have to be a massive production
He did a terrible job on napoleon.
He basically took an 80s tv mini series version focused on Josephine changes napoleon . And Josephine.
The mini was better. With worse battle scenes and a tv budget ( think dune mini series) it on RUclips free
The gender swap doesn’t line up well for WB the ending of two is disappointing and between the lack of dialogue and omission of so many factions in the book Villeneuve has directed his way to a cold welcome so I think he and Legendary should let Messiah go.
2st
Cleopatra was never black nor half black
You haven't a clue...
You haven't a clue...
That's not the issue of this topic.
After reconning the story in part 2. Destroy the over narrative of the original books. So no, I have lost interest in Dennis version
One thing I am grateful to DV about Dune 3 is that after the disappointment that was Dune 2, waiting for Dune 3 is not a problem anymore😂
Obviously there will have to be a Dune Part 3. I mean Dune Part 2 ends with Chani leaving not as Paul's concubine? That's not correct......that's not what we even saw from Paul's prescient visions. So the ending of Part 2 literally begs for a Part 3. So I think any talk of "if" Part 3 will happen is so much silliness. Its going to happen. The question should always be not "if" but "when".
Did you watch the video? Denis is tired of working on Dune, there's no script, none of the actors are committed to a third movie which means the talent cost would go way up (based d1/d2's success, and the actors' rising fame generally), which means corners would need to be cut. Wishes aren't horses.
@@ssl3546Tired of Dune? Then that confirms he was never a fan as he claimed.