5:30- Upcoming Iron Culture documentary & time spent with Ronnie Coleman 8:00- Brian Dobson & Metroflex Gym 11:00 - Persona of Old School gym owners 13:20- Why is studying the history of Physical Culture important 15:40 - The missing concept of exercise variety 16:30 - Lateral Raise Lying 18:30 - Club-bell Training and Conor’s new book 21:00 - The Eras of Lifting 26:10 - Weider, McFadden, Hoffman - who’s this era’s empresario? 30:25 - What have we lost from the Globalisation of fitness? 35:00 - Physical Culture defined 40:05 - The increasing Pseudo-science of Modern Day lifting 43:50 - Powerlifter Jim Williams 48:15 - Who’s an unsung hero of physical culture history? 54:50 - The Future of Physical Culture? 1:05:00 - The best training montages from movies? 1:09:11 - The interplay of pop culture and fitness
Definitely gonna get more granular next time they're on together. It's one of those combos that could've gone on for hours if I wasn't dying of heat stroke 😂
A fascinating conversation. Highly entertaining and informative as always. I look forward to future ones. I intend to read the works of the learned gentlemen at some stage. I think the categorisation suggested is much more accurate than the Bronze, Silver and Golden Era. It implies the Bronze era is primitive as you would compare bronze age to the iron age. I think the terminology in itself dismisses the history of Physical Culture. The old timers particularly the deep knee bend advocates have much that is valuable for any trainees of any generation. I have the book 'Beef it!' which celebrates the bodybuilding culture of the 80s , but still has a chapter exploring old routines. Back then they were given the respect they deserved.
Awesome observation Stind and glad you enjoyed this episode of ours as it's one of my faves. I read that book Beef It back in the day. Great titles back then - maximum hyperbole minus the self awareness lol
Thanks mate. I had a blast watching this and as the moderator it was awesome just watching these two guys in their element. Would love to have both of them on again indeed
🤣 🤣 🤣 this was PURE GOLD. (or in Jamie's case, pure Green) how many minutes of this had to be cut out to prevent being banned?😂😂 would have loved to hear where that tangent on Mike Isreatel was gonna go. Or the "was there a sign that said do not **** in the Sauna?" 😂😂😂 the most educational entertaining strength podcast on RUclips. Bar none.
You're not wrong about the edits lol. My channel's already in the sin bin, but I love pushing the boundaries with these two guys stoking the material. I tried pushing Lyle to rant about Mike in an interview we did, but he wouldn't go there on the record - but the off record stuff was sublime 😂. Love the comment mate and thank you again for watching
@@carvedouttastone Dont get me wrong, I do own all of Dr Mike's books & have indeed binge watched his content. However, I absolutely love hearing Jamie & Lyle come down HARDDD with their criticisms on him. Not only do i get an extreme contrast of opinions, but i get to laugh my ass off at the brutality of their delivery. Again, i like mike as a person & enjoy his content on strength & performance. I am definitely NOT a Dr Mike hater. But I would absolutely pay $100 for a 3 hour podcast with Jamie Lewis and/or Lyle McDonald just ripping into him completely unfiltered🤣 Also, a 1-2hour dissertation where Jamie Lewis literally just goes off on all the problems with "Evidence-based" training & nutrition information... and more specifically all the ways it keeps people "mediocre" with examples of historical figures that completely defy common claims in the "evidence-based" consensus.
I randomly searched up Jamie's name to see are there any updates of him since I hardly use social media hence have not directly messaged him since ages, had lots of funny conversations with him, I am glad that he has much more podcast like video of this sort out. Jamie could always pin point and dissect my training questions and then end it (or start a new topic) with a funny line. I then went into my email and found out that I had quite a few conversations with him going way back to 2010, I was telling everyone back then he is actually one of the most passionate person you can consult about training, non pretentious and highly knowledgeable, never afraid to point out his own mistakes hence always evolving. Support him, buy his books, guy has written crazy amount of articles that is literally free to view for a very long time and just those information alone are way, way better than a lot of the materials out there. Thanks for creating these videos, I have subscribed.
Nice to have you hear and thanks for relating that story. Yeah Jamie's great and needs more exposure. Listen to our original podcast from a month or so ago and his is an interesting story. It's my channel's goal to give more of a platform and voice to these people who have stories and knowledge to offer, but don't fit into the mould of "brain dead/psychopathic-used-car-salesman", and garner their audience through good content and grind
@@regstrength thanks again. Check out the other stuff I've done also. I'm sure you'll connect with other stuff of equal value among the topics I've tackled. :-(
Agreed but it's tricky since many people start Bodybuilding because it lends itself to an individualistic mindset. Sure enough if was more community oriented in times past, but so was everything. These days people want to disappear into their headphones,.making love to their devices,.speaking to audiences online who couldn't care less...I miss the old camaraderie of gyms...I don't think it will ever be replicated
The golden era is called that because it was a time of great exposure and widening public acceptance. What is lesser than gold, well it's silver, what is lesser than silver, well it's bronze. It clearly comes from the Olympic medal system, not some perverted geology. We retroactively apply names to all periods in history, that's how we know when and where we're talking about, and they are usually somewhat arbitrary. I'm not really sure why this is being treated vaguely like some conspiracy, lol. Anyway, great and interesting discussion.
Maybe one aspect of this game that you guys would benefit from exploring, though you are likely not ready to admit it yet, is old people training. I suspect is is going to blow up at some point maybe. Science seems to back up the idea that lifting is the way for the old folk, and our populations are increasingly old as the birth rate plummets and people are perhaps more aware of the need to do fitness. However, nothing is certain, just look at the USA where life expectancy is down the toilet in spite of technological medical advance. Likely we get a split whereby one half says fuck it all and dies young afer a brief self indulgent life and the other half, likely economically better off, takes note of the longevity science. Who knows. One thing though, all you guys are soon enough going to have to deal with ageing, just as I am.
Well I'm 50 so I'm already there in terms of the age thing and Jamie's not far behind so we're already coming to terms with the modifications that *may* need to be made. I agree it's an excellent topic and very prescient with the upcoming aging crisis - and I will raise it as a future discussion point. Thanks for your excellent suggestions and thoughtful comments
yeah, I just turned 58 and am making a return to lifting after neglecting it for about a year to pursue cardio and nurse an injured elbow which stopped a lot of what I was doing. I am still at a pretty low ebb and really hope the ageing is not going to stop me getting back up. I started making videos on youtube (may as well store them there for free) just to document how it goes. @@carvedouttastone
Thanks so much for uploading these interview Shawn. It's a fresh of breath air to see someone having conversations with people, letting them speak and the long format. Long time Jamie Lewis reader from the chaos and pain days. That barbarian-scholar, take no prisoners lifting approach mindset was always my deal, and his writing really reinforced it for me in a positive way. Great to see interviews with him years later.
Never heard of the eras in lifting referred to as silver or bronze. The “golden age” kind of has a harkening back to the original muscle mags and early hollywood types when it was a “pure” pursuit by the people who enjoyed it for its own sake and not as a means to an end or doing it solely for money. But silver and bronze sound like they are trying to shoehorn other historical terms onto the endeavor (the dark age, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, the silver screen, etc…)
They are regularly referred to as that, at least for a decade, the modern social media age. The golden era is called that because it was a time of great exposure and widening public acceptance. What is lesser than gold in the Olympics, well it's silver, what is lesser than silver, well it's bronze. There's no great mystery here. Those other terms ("dark/bronze age") are terms retroactively added to history too, somewhat arbitrarily. What's the difference?
@@BuJammythe historical time frames aren’t named arbitrarily. The Bronze Age is named because they began using bronze during that time, the Iron Age named because of the rise of the use of iron The Olympic medals are so named because of the metal that makes them. Trying to define eras in lifting after them is precisely arbitrary. There’s no reason to call any particular era “the silver era” or any other metal because the metal had nothing to do with it. It’s a symbolic naming scheme based on feelings
@@BuJammythe social media age would actually be an appropriate and apt “era” for lifting because it fundamentally changed the way information was shared, who had access to it, and even why and how people lift But trying to call some era “bronze” because it isn’t as good in some arbitrary way as 50 years ago is just shoe horning those terms onto lifting In the video they explain actual events that could categorize it better (pre steroid for example)
"the historical time frames aren’t named arbitrarily... iron...bronze.". I'm glad you said that, because I knew you would say that, because it's what I would say in the same position :D. However, they were still named "somewhat arbitrarily", because they were about developments in metallurgy, not developments in pottery, or agriculture, or poetry, or talking about your feelings, which provide different times, pivot points, reference points etc, although there is some overlap. That was my whole point. We tend to use different terms in different academic endeavours too. It's all "shoe horning" in it's way. I wouldn't say it "wasn't as good", but "not as widespread", which is what I've always taken it to mean. You're right, it started with the Arnold era being called "golden", and then working backwards, so in that sense, at least, it's diminishing the previous endeavours. I would be more likely to call it the "social media" lifting age, but in 20 yrs time, we could call it the "platinum" era, and maybe people would know what we meant, lol. It's not perfect, of course. I take your points, and I agree, really, but there seems to be some undertone in this video, and others, that it's all some sort of conspiracy. @@Lonnie123
5:30- Upcoming Iron Culture documentary & time spent with Ronnie Coleman
8:00- Brian Dobson & Metroflex Gym
11:00 - Persona of Old School gym owners
13:20- Why is studying the history of Physical Culture important
15:40 - The missing concept of exercise variety
16:30 - Lateral Raise Lying
18:30 - Club-bell Training and Conor’s new book
21:00 - The Eras of Lifting
26:10 - Weider, McFadden, Hoffman - who’s this era’s empresario?
30:25 - What have we lost from the Globalisation of fitness?
35:00 - Physical Culture defined
40:05 - The increasing Pseudo-science of Modern Day lifting
43:50 - Powerlifter Jim Williams
48:15 - Who’s an unsung hero of physical culture history?
54:50 - The Future of Physical Culture?
1:05:00 - The best training montages from movies?
1:09:11 - The interplay of pop culture and fitness
Excellent this. So much boring crap on RUclips lifting channels but this is 🎯
Awesome to hear mate. Hoping we can attract hearts and minds back from the click-bait precipice, but it's a constant battle
Love these ! Please more podcasts with Jamie or Conor !
Definitely gonna get more granular next time they're on together. It's one of those combos that could've gone on for hours if I wasn't dying of heat stroke 😂
A fascinating conversation. Highly entertaining and informative as always. I look forward to future ones. I intend to read the works of the learned gentlemen at some stage.
I think the categorisation suggested is much more accurate than the Bronze, Silver and Golden Era. It implies the Bronze era is primitive as you would compare bronze age to the iron age. I think the terminology in itself dismisses the history of Physical Culture. The old timers particularly the deep knee bend advocates have much that is valuable for any trainees of any generation. I have the book 'Beef it!' which celebrates the bodybuilding culture of the 80s , but still has a chapter exploring old routines. Back then they were given the respect they deserved.
Awesome observation Stind and glad you enjoyed this episode of ours as it's one of my faves. I read that book Beef It back in the day. Great titles back then - maximum hyperbole minus the self awareness lol
Love the physical culture history talks..thanks for the great work, as always!
Really love you chipping in with your supportive feedback Richard. Thanks again and glad you liked it
Appreciated! Definitely a good trio and would be great to see more. ;)
Thanks mate. I had a blast watching this and as the moderator it was awesome just watching these two guys in their element. Would love to have both of them on again indeed
🤣 🤣 🤣 this was PURE GOLD. (or in Jamie's case, pure Green) how many minutes of this had to be cut out to prevent being banned?😂😂 would have loved to hear where that tangent on Mike Isreatel was gonna go. Or the "was there a sign that said do not **** in the Sauna?" 😂😂😂 the most educational entertaining strength podcast on RUclips. Bar none.
You're not wrong about the edits lol. My channel's already in the sin bin, but I love pushing the boundaries with these two guys stoking the material. I tried pushing Lyle to rant about Mike in an interview we did, but he wouldn't go there on the record - but the off record stuff was sublime 😂. Love the comment mate and thank you again for watching
@@carvedouttastone Dont get me wrong, I do own all of Dr Mike's books & have indeed binge watched his content. However, I absolutely love hearing Jamie & Lyle come down HARDDD with their criticisms on him. Not only do i get an extreme contrast of opinions, but i get to laugh my ass off at the brutality of their delivery. Again, i like mike as a person & enjoy his content on strength & performance. I am definitely NOT a Dr Mike hater. But I would absolutely pay $100 for a 3 hour podcast with Jamie Lewis and/or Lyle McDonald just ripping into him completely unfiltered🤣 Also, a 1-2hour dissertation where Jamie Lewis literally just goes off on all the problems with "Evidence-based" training & nutrition information... and more specifically all the ways it keeps people "mediocre" with examples of historical figures that completely defy common claims in the "evidence-based" consensus.
I randomly searched up Jamie's name to see are there any updates of him since I hardly use social media hence have not directly messaged him since ages, had lots of funny conversations with him, I am glad that he has much more podcast like video of this sort out. Jamie could always pin point and dissect my training questions and then end it (or start a new topic) with a funny line.
I then went into my email and found out that I had quite a few conversations with him going way back to 2010, I was telling everyone back then he is actually one of the most passionate person you can consult about training, non pretentious and highly knowledgeable, never afraid to point out his own mistakes hence always evolving. Support him, buy his books, guy has written crazy amount of articles that is literally free to view for a very long time and just those information alone are way, way better than a lot of the materials out there.
Thanks for creating these videos, I have subscribed.
Nice to have you hear and thanks for relating that story. Yeah Jamie's great and needs more exposure. Listen to our original podcast from a month or so ago and his is an interesting story. It's my channel's goal to give more of a platform and voice to these people who have stories and knowledge to offer, but don't fit into the mould of "brain dead/psychopathic-used-car-salesman", and garner their audience through good content and grind
@@carvedouttastone Hey yes, have already listened to all of the Jamie related podcast haha! Keep up the good work!
@@regstrength thanks again. Check out the other stuff I've done also. I'm sure you'll connect with other stuff of equal value among the topics I've tackled. :-(
@@carvedouttastone Sure 😀
We need more community. Dan John had an emphasis about his "Coyote club." Definitely need to be more clubs like this.
Agreed but it's tricky since many people start Bodybuilding because it lends itself to an individualistic mindset. Sure enough if was more community oriented in times past, but so was everything. These days people want to disappear into their headphones,.making love to their devices,.speaking to audiences online who couldn't care less...I miss the old camaraderie of gyms...I don't think it will ever be replicated
Damn Shawn, phenomenal interview as always... enlightening, fun, and refreshing.. thanks 👍
Thanks so much for watching and commenting mate. I'm really glad you enjoyed it as much as I did hosting it
Loved this one @carvedouttastone, Jamie and Conor.
Was definitely one of my faves. Thanks for the support mate!
Great show lads, very interesting, thank you!
Glad you liked it mate. Was one of my faves
The golden era is called that because it was a time of great exposure and widening public acceptance. What is lesser than gold, well it's silver, what is lesser than silver, well it's bronze. It clearly comes from the Olympic medal system, not some perverted geology. We retroactively apply names to all periods in history, that's how we know when and where we're talking about, and they are usually somewhat arbitrary. I'm not really sure why this is being treated vaguely like some conspiracy, lol. Anyway, great and interesting discussion.
Maybe one aspect of this game that you guys would benefit from exploring, though you are likely not ready to admit it yet, is old people training. I suspect is is going to blow up at some point maybe. Science seems to back up the idea that lifting is the way for the old folk, and our populations are increasingly old as the birth rate plummets and people are perhaps more aware of the need to do fitness. However, nothing is certain, just look at the USA where life expectancy is down the toilet in spite of technological medical advance. Likely we get a split whereby one half says fuck it all and dies young afer a brief self indulgent life and the other half, likely economically better off, takes note of the longevity science. Who knows. One thing though, all you guys are soon enough going to have to deal with ageing, just as I am.
Well I'm 50 so I'm already there in terms of the age thing and Jamie's not far behind so we're already coming to terms with the modifications that *may* need to be made. I agree it's an excellent topic and very prescient with the upcoming aging crisis - and I will raise it as a future discussion point. Thanks for your excellent suggestions and thoughtful comments
yeah, I just turned 58 and am making a return to lifting after neglecting it for about a year to pursue cardio and nurse an injured elbow which stopped a lot of what I was doing. I am still at a pretty low ebb and really hope the ageing is not going to stop me getting back up. I started making videos on youtube (may as well store them there for free) just to document how it goes. @@carvedouttastone
Thanks so much for uploading these interview Shawn. It's a fresh of breath air to see someone having conversations with people, letting them speak and the long format. Long time Jamie Lewis reader from the chaos and pain days. That barbarian-scholar, take no prisoners lifting approach mindset was always my deal, and his writing really reinforced it for me in a positive way. Great to see interviews with him years later.
Never heard of the eras in lifting referred to as silver or bronze. The “golden age” kind of has a harkening back to the original muscle mags and early hollywood types when it was a “pure” pursuit by the people who enjoyed it for its own sake and not as a means to an end or doing it solely for money.
But silver and bronze sound like they are trying to shoehorn other historical terms onto the endeavor (the dark age, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, the silver screen, etc…)
Shoehorn is a great way to describe it. Fantastic observation and comment. Thanks for chiming in and hope you enjoyed the discussion
They are regularly referred to as that, at least for a decade, the modern social media age. The golden era is called that because it was a time of great exposure and widening public acceptance. What is lesser than gold in the Olympics, well it's silver, what is lesser than silver, well it's bronze. There's no great mystery here. Those other terms ("dark/bronze age") are terms retroactively added to history too, somewhat arbitrarily. What's the difference?
@@BuJammythe historical time frames aren’t named arbitrarily. The Bronze Age is named because they began using bronze during that time, the Iron Age named because of the rise of the use of iron
The Olympic medals are so named because of the metal that makes them.
Trying to define eras in lifting after them is precisely arbitrary. There’s no reason to call any particular era “the silver era” or any other metal because the metal had nothing to do with it. It’s a symbolic naming scheme based on feelings
@@BuJammythe social media age would actually be an appropriate and apt “era” for lifting because it fundamentally changed the way information was shared, who had access to it, and even why and how people lift
But trying to call some era “bronze” because it isn’t as good in some arbitrary way as 50 years ago is just shoe horning those terms onto lifting
In the video they explain actual events that could categorize it better (pre steroid for example)
"the historical time frames aren’t named arbitrarily... iron...bronze.".
I'm glad you said that, because I knew you would say that, because it's what I would say in the same position :D.
However, they were still named "somewhat arbitrarily", because they were about developments in metallurgy, not developments in pottery, or agriculture, or poetry, or talking about your feelings, which provide different times, pivot points, reference points etc, although there is some overlap. That was my whole point. We tend to use different terms in different academic endeavours too. It's all "shoe horning" in it's way.
I wouldn't say it "wasn't as good", but "not as widespread", which is what I've always taken it to mean. You're right, it started with the Arnold era being called "golden", and then working backwards, so in that sense, at least, it's diminishing the previous endeavours.
I would be more likely to call it the "social media" lifting age, but in 20 yrs time, we could call it the "platinum" era, and maybe people would know what we meant, lol. It's not perfect, of course.
I take your points, and I agree, really, but there seems to be some undertone in this video, and others, that it's all some sort of conspiracy.
@@Lonnie123
Derek Lunsford is the current Mr Olympia.
That Jim Williams story is hilarious, LOL. Go to prison to prepare for a PL meet - mad genius in his own way, LOL.