I … have both of these on my studio palette. I love the Green Apatite for 2 things; one, for painting stems and leaves of loose/impressionistic botanicals, because it provides so much dimension and texture for very little effort, and two, for blobbing in to make background hedges, shrubs, treeline, etc. in landscapes. The granulation patten adds a real sense of depth in a single layer.
Oh the Undersea Green! I forgot to talk about this one. I actually mix my own of this instead of using the tube version bc I like it just a teensy bit bluer. It’s great for all kinds of evergreens, and since i live in the Pacific Northwest, I paint evergreens a lot.
It's so useful to hear from someone who have both on their palette, so thank you for taking the time to comment. I am so going to have to have a play with the undersea green by adding more blue to it to see what it produces. Thank you!
Oto Kano I would say maybe that I like it a lot in that context. The Wild granulation is fantastically suggestive in a way that really complements looser works. But I know a bunch of artists who use it in more representational work, too. Oh, the other thing I use it for is monochromes on rough paper. Because it gives a saturation range as well as a value range (where the tints are more saturated and the mass tone is less so) you can get some really cool effects.
Such a great comparison Oto. I may have to pick up some Undersea Green for specific purposes. Painting a lot of landscapes I find Green Apatite so great for that purpose! I love all the character that you described about it, the muted mixing tones, granulation, separation, and so forth. So at least in that sense I love how the Apatite Green mixes play together. Its a superior Sap Green hue for landscape in my humble opinion. If you're looking for bright, clean color mixes I can see where Undersea is pretty nice. Absolutely love the way the blue in Undersea separates out with gauze.
The mixed swatches are pretty (one of my favorite green colors) but it dominates everything and gives very little variance unlike the undersea green. I don't want to speak for anyone else but I think that is what is meant by it doesn't play nice with regards to mixing. There is no give and take with it.
Green apatite is my absolute favourite green, there is nothing else like it. But I adore Undersea, Cascade and Serpentine as close runners up I have all in constant rotation
Oh my goodness - your opinion of green apatite genuine was really interesting for me to listen to. We have a very different opinion of it. It is one of my very most favorite Daniel Smith paints. I think it is so beautiful!! 😂😂 It’s funny how we all have different tastes. It makes the most beautiful leaves and stems, also so beautiful if some areas of landscape painting. I also like undersea green but would not use it as much because it is not a natural earth tone color. I do have to say that it does make beautiful mixes though. I love your series and look forward to seeing many more! Thank you!
I really love that we all have our favourite colors and different opinions on each color. Reading your comment makes me appreciate apatite genuine more, so thank you for sharing :)
So happy to see this comparison. Your channel is my first stop whenever I’m considering a paint colour, and I quite often come back to colour videos I’ve already watched because they’re just so lovely 👍🏻.
I love green apatite genuine!! It’s one of my favorite colors and I think it’s beautiful! 😍 I don’t think it needs to be mixed with anything, it’s better just standing on its own. I really like the undersea green now too! I will get it. I think both could find a place on my palette. Thank you for this series. I’m really enjoying it!
Color showdown! Or is that too extreme? 😂 looove this series and it has been useful for helping me with ideas for my next painting already! Thank you! (You have also just intensified my desire for green apatite genuine!)
woooo I like it :D So glad to hear that this video has inspired you with painting ideas! Did you not have green apatite genuine already? I thought I saw it in one of your videos?
I got both for Christmas, so this video was so informative. I actually like one of the browns you made with green apetite genuine because the granulation makes it look like leather. But undersea green is my absolute favorite.
I feel like Green Apatite Genuine and rough paper would make the perfect dinosaur color lol. The granulation and the mixes all make me think leathery dinosaur skin.
The green apatite really overpowered all the colors you mixed it with, some were even obliterated XD It's such a unique paint. It's interesting to see both compared, I really like them equally!
I have both these on my palette. I love the subtle hue of undersea green and the texture and separation of colours with green apatite. I used green apatite with salt on a particular rendition of some greenery I was painting and it captured the texture of that bush perfectly, without me having to actually paint any detail. I still feel excited when I look at it, but I am a bit of a nerd soooo... 😂 Thanks Oto 👍🏼
YES! Two of my favorite greens (the other one is perylene green). I had a very hard time choosing between these two that I bought them both. I tend to use undersea green more but I absolutely love the both of them.
As much as the Undersea Green is a great mixer, the Green Apatite is a stunningly beautiful color for me. I prefer a color that is like a wild horse - difficult to tame. I like mossy with texture like the green on wet rocks.
Great demonstration. I went with green apatite genuine. I love it for the granulation and the separation of the colors. As far as the undersea green I was very tempted to buy it but I checked out the pigments and I could easily make it from the pigments I had and it came out really close to the Daniel Smith. Love your videos. So much great information. I'm glad I discovered you. I can't wait to watch the rest of them.
I know I'm late but here goes. Green apatite genuine to me is beautiful and I think the mixes are very useful for the shrubbery and greens where I live in the USA. I love the way it mixes created such organic colors and textures. In fact, I think your mixes here are gorgeous! Undersea Green reminds me of my babies diapers after giving them spinach. I have sampled them both. Seriously, it's a nasty muddy dirty green in my mind. LOL! Yes, it's interesting to learn what we all love and why.
Undersea Green is what I would pick. It mixes well and can stand on its own. Thank you for showing what it can do. I love this series and your channel!
I definitely see the merits of both. I LOVE the intensity of the Green Apatite Genuine. It's a beautiful, bold green. The Undersea comes across as more of an olive/drab green, which doesn't appeal to me as much.
Awesome video! I was looking for info on undersea green and this delivered. I love the characterization of green apatite genuine as a bad boy that doesn't play well with others. I have to agree!
Interesting. Thank you very much, this video has been very timely for me as I'm looking at purchasing one of these two. I can now see that Undersea green would be the better convenience mix for me as it is a good match with the colour of gums leaves in my area. (I'm in Australia.) I wonder what a teensie touch of cerulean blue hue would do for it. :) While the Green Apatite genuine is gorgeous on it's own I can't see a use for it on my palette. BTW, your previous Moon glow vs Shadow violet comparison was also very interesting. I was looking to get Shadow violet to try our but now I'm happy to continue with my Moon glow.
So happy to hear that this video came at a good time for you. If it helps one person make a good informed decision, it makes my day! I agree, I would say undersea green would be much more suited to what you are wanting to use it for. I hope you have a wonderful time with it, it's a beautiful colour and mixes so well with others.
I love undersea green, and I don’t even think I have apetite genuine. Just like moonglow, undersea green is great in its color separation! I’ve used it in backgrounds before as the entire background and it’s gorgeous. I think my paper must be more textured than yours because it separates more than yours has and ina way that I just ADORE.
Oto Kano I don’t really have a “normal” paper that I use, but the one that I remember most clearly was on some loose bee paper company sheets, the ones that come in 6x9 size. I think I remember the paper warping a decent amount so it was probably the thinner grade paper (Not the 300gsm one).
I love green apatite genuine so much. My favorite color in the whole world. I used it most recently for my neices’s puppy, who has green eyes... it is so perfect for green eyes...I also must have undersea green. I have a green and blue paint problem...
I have always had such a soft spot for Undersea Green!! I never thought about it too much but definitely found myself using it as a very convenient and fun mixing color to play with. I love the soft granulation it has on it’s own, though I will admit I have yet to try the apatite. You have sparked an interest for me though!! 😱✨✨✨
I have both of these colors. I do a lot of floral/botanical and also landscape. They each have their place so I use them both a lot. Probably I reach for the Green Apatite Genuine more
Both greens look very useful to me, but I love having lots of colors ready to use. That way, I usually don't have to put very many colors on my palette. As is the norm, Oto Kano, EXCELLENT video!
These are both such gorgeous colors. I recently bought a Celadonite Green that I love very much, but it's muted like the Undersea Green. I desperately wanted to find a use for it, and now I can see that it's a good one for mixing like your USG, and it would add some lovely granulation too!
This Celodonite is a gemstone paint created by Rivervale Watercolors/Etsy. It is very low tinting strength, so it would mute any color? It's a grey-green. I don't know, it was an expensive impulse buy at $12 for a half pan! I guess I just wanted something fancy! LOL
I have both on my palette, but find myself reach more and more for green apatite genuine, but mix more often with the undersea green. I've just found this series....and you! So glad I did!
Oh man, I've never liked how undersea green looks by itself. I didn't know it made such beautiful mixes! I like green apatite gen. better but you've made me appreciate undersea green a lot more!
Yes, was surprised at how beautiful it mixes with other colours. I am of the same feeling about undersea green on it's own, it's an okay colour. But wow, when mixed, it's so beautiful.
Can't wait for my green apatite genuine and cerulean blue chromium (your videos helped me to pick those), to arrive from Jackson. I live in Argentina and i have to wait around a month!..good thing is when spending usd50 the shipping is free including tracking so i don't complain...but i get impacient for sure.
I made a discovery after watching your video and experimenting with the two colors myself. My discovery was that it's very important to evacuate Undersea Green in various lights as in some lights, (like florescent), it appears nearly identical in shade to Green Apatite when side-to-side. However, in incandescent light Undersea Green has the much deeper mossy green as the one in this video. Undersea green has a HUGE color shift dependent on lighting conditions, more so than I've noticed with any other color I've played with thus far. Thank you for your video my friend! Edit: I just love the blue and yellow undertones of Undersea Green regardless of lighting. It's perfect for multi dimensional/textured trees & foliage achieved in just one easy stroke. Undersea Green has an almost magical quality, similar in effect to that of moonglow.
I already have Undersea Green and love the subtle granulation, but now I need to put Green Apatite Genuine in my wishlist! It will be in a granulating colors palette 😍
Oto Kano I am still building it up but so far I have Imperial Purple, Rose of Ultramarine, Moonglow, Lunar Blue, Cascade Green, Undersea Green and Serpentine Genuine
I think your glazing tests show why DS just cant be my fav. I LOVE glazing and layering and i really live for that in my watercolors. Ps. I mix green APP gen all the time. i just dont use as much as you did.
easy! ultramarines of any sort and LAPIS LAZULI GENUINE!!!! It Green app + any blues, yellows and greens always makes things interesting and pretty for me, the trick is to treat green like it was a phthalo color just very very tinting. but green app and lapis lazuli... wowsers that takes granulation to almost offensive levels. with Hansa yellow lite it makes an almost perfect sap green type color.
Oh my goodness, I just had those two tubes in my hands while at Blick and because I couldn’t decide I didn’t get either!! Now I wish I had gotten both! 😂 I did get a primary triad from both M Graham and Da Vinci instead; I don’t regret it as I didn’t have any of either and now I can finally try both, but man Daniel Smith is so fascinating!
wooo please let me know how you get on with the M Grahams and the Da Vinci. The green apatite genuine and undersea green looks so similar in all colour charts that they are so difficult to decide!
I really like that glow in apatite genuine. But I'm not big fan of heavily granulating colors. I really look forward to this series, this is so useful info!
I really like these colour vs colour. I have the green apatite I find the colour similar to their sap green. It's nice to use for landscapes. Green apatite is fun to work with but I'm not fond of the colour as I don't need it much.
I don't have any Daniel Smith paints, because they are very expensive here (in general 3times more expensive than Schmincke Horadam, W&N professional or Sennelier...). But these greens are soooo incredibly beautiful. The Green Apatite Genuine is so beautiful - I love the granulation. The mixes of the Undersea Green are gorgeous. Thank you for testing them out. It's so important for me, because of the price I have to choose the DS paints wisely, if I want some and this helps a lot!
Me too! But I'm more willing to try out a professional paint for 4-5€ in a 5ml tube, than a 12-15€ paint for a 5ml tube. So, this is incredibly helpfull. I'm still in awe of this Undersea Green mixes - I love the muted colors. :)
I think, it's just crazy in Germany and I don't get why that is. 15-16€ for 15ml is a good price and comparable to Schmincke, Sennelier and W&N. I guess, I'll have to make a little trip to France :D You've already mentioned the Le Géant des Beaux Arts to me. :)
Since you've mentioned the shop and amazon.fr, I'm already choosing colors for a custom palette. :D I always thought, that the price have to me somewhat similar throughout Europe, but it's crazy, that the differences are so high. This is heaven. :)
I REALLY enjoyed this comparison. Greens are very much my jam. If I was forced, I'd probably go for the Green Apatite - it's just so vibrant and lovely and the texture of it's really nice. Really love the muted tones of the undersea green and its mixes, too, though. . . so I'm thinking both is good, lol. They're both gorgeous. And it was very useful to see how very different they a re.
Funny the subjectivity of Colors as my opinion is totally opposite of yours :) I do a lot of Landscapes & love the shadowy depths one gets mixing the Gr Apatite Gen. I have Undersea & tend to use that as a Single finding it tends to mute down or flatten other colors when mixing - far from exciting colors - sort of "Meh!". They tend not to lend too much in "value" overall & feel they need some nearby contrast? But hey! to each his own & its hard to be opinionated about ANY color outside of a Painting - its all relative. Thank you for these FANTASTIC Color Showdowns - you give the best & incredibly thorough ones out there!
Great video! I have both of these colours and must admit that I don't like Undersea Green that much as it seems a bit of a muddy colour to me. I love the granulation in Green Apatite Genuine:)
I think rubber, scales, and background foliage would be good for Apatite Genuine. Undersea looks great for, well, underwater lakes, close ups on plants, and moss.
Neither of these are super exciting to me either, Oto! Undersea could be fun to have if I ever found it on sale just to have, but I don't think I'd want it on my main palette either.
Oto Kano Yaaassss! I just added Permanent Green Pale to my palette. Yeah, I could mix it, but it's just so freaking bright and makes me so happy to see!
I love the undersea green in mixes but not necessary on it's own. I don't think it's a good enough reason to give it a place in my palette. (Same goes for many other "good mixing colours".) The green apatite: nah, too specific and not beautiful enough. And night now I realise that I'm picky. ;) Thank you Oto, great series!
Yes I think the green apatite is very specific in its use. It will be good to find a really good use for them in my art though as it gives such a unique texture. I agree with you about undersea green, it's okaaayyy on its own but so lovely in mixes.
Though, I see by your test here the Undersea Green mixes better (at least I think). I am going to have to try some of these mixtures. I don't mix Green Apatite a lot because it does add a lot of granulation
I have both... Green Appatite and Undersea Green... however, my Undersea Green squeezes out of three different tubes. I don't understand why people buy multiple pigment paints. The beauty of the Green Appatite is that the granulating pigments are very warm.
hi oto, i was wondering if u have compared ds green apatite with ds serpentine green or anything else as far as that goes then could u just show the 2 cards to compare rather than go thru the whole thing again. i would love to see them together. right now i am still sold on the apatite green but i am a crystal nerd & apatite is one of my favs. but the undersea green is an awesome mixer - i'll pry end up with all 3 of them anyway. lol thanks
I think green apatite mixes are pretty and deep, but they all are green (except couple of colours). I like it as a standalone colour, I like texture of it (could use for some special effects), but undersea green is much more versatile even though I don't particularly like this colour. I mean, I have prettier greens on my palette, I have colours I can mix in pretty greens, and I can dull it with my other colours and I will like it much more than undersea green.
No, I can't have that! I can't sit still, even though this video is already 5 yesrs old. But I have to contradict! Okay, we are all entitled to our own opinion, and you have yours. But you can't say "Green Apatite Genuine is not a pretty color", you have to say that you feel/think it wasn't. I on the other hand totally disagree! It is my most favorite color. For me, it is very beautiful, has a lot of character and charme!
i respect your work so very much but is it important to drown yourself out with music please? your voice is great and information always tip top. thanks
I … have both of these on my studio palette. I love the Green Apatite for 2 things; one, for painting stems and leaves of loose/impressionistic botanicals, because it provides so much dimension and texture for very little effort, and two, for blobbing in to make background hedges, shrubs, treeline, etc. in landscapes. The granulation patten adds a real sense of depth in a single layer.
Oh the Undersea Green! I forgot to talk about this one. I actually mix my own of this instead of using the tube version bc I like it just a teensy bit bluer. It’s great for all kinds of evergreens, and since i live in the Pacific Northwest, I paint evergreens a lot.
It's so useful to hear from someone who have both on their palette, so thank you for taking the time to comment. I am so going to have to have a play with the undersea green by adding more blue to it to see what it produces. Thank you!
So would you say that the Green Apatite Genuine is more suited for looser works?
Oto Kano I would say maybe that I like it a lot in that context. The Wild granulation is fantastically suggestive in a way that really complements looser works. But I know a bunch of artists who use it in more representational work, too.
Oh, the other thing I use it for is monochromes on rough paper. Because it gives a saturation range as well as a value range (where the tints are more saturated and the mass tone is less so) you can get some really cool effects.
Such a great comparison Oto. I may have to pick up some Undersea Green for specific purposes. Painting a lot of landscapes I find Green Apatite so great for that purpose! I love all the character that you described about it, the muted mixing tones, granulation, separation, and so forth. So at least in that sense I love how the Apatite Green mixes play together. Its a superior Sap Green hue for landscape in my humble opinion. If you're looking for bright, clean color mixes I can see where Undersea is pretty nice. Absolutely love the way the blue in Undersea separates out with gauze.
Thank you Steve! So glad you like them both, they are both very beautiful colors :D
The green apatite genuine mixes FINE to me. The mixes swatches are beautiful.
Yes i agree.
The mixed swatches are pretty (one of my favorite green colors) but it dominates everything and gives very little variance unlike the undersea green.
I don't want to speak for anyone else but I think that is what is meant by it doesn't play nice with regards to mixing. There is no give and take with it.
Green apatite is my absolute favourite green, there is nothing else like it. But I adore Undersea, Cascade and Serpentine as close runners up I have all in constant rotation
Oh my goodness - your opinion of green apatite genuine was really interesting for me to listen to. We have a very different opinion of it. It is one of my very most favorite Daniel Smith paints. I think it is so beautiful!! 😂😂 It’s funny how we all have different tastes. It makes the most beautiful leaves and stems, also so beautiful if some areas of landscape painting.
I also like undersea green but would not use it as much because it is not a natural earth tone color. I do have to say that it does make beautiful mixes though.
I love your series and look forward to seeing many more!
Thank you!
I really love that we all have our favourite colors and different opinions on each color. Reading your comment makes me appreciate apatite genuine more, so thank you for sharing :)
So happy to see this comparison. Your channel is my first stop whenever I’m considering a paint colour, and I quite often come back to colour videos I’ve already watched because they’re just so lovely 👍🏻.
I love green apatite genuine!! It’s one of my favorite colors and I think it’s beautiful! 😍 I don’t think it needs to be mixed with anything, it’s better just standing on its own. I really like the undersea green now too! I will get it. I think both could find a place on my palette. Thank you for this series. I’m really enjoying it!
Color showdown! Or is that too extreme? 😂 looove this series and it has been useful for helping me with ideas for my next painting already! Thank you!
(You have also just intensified my desire for green apatite genuine!)
woooo I like it :D So glad to hear that this video has inspired you with painting ideas! Did you not have green apatite genuine already? I thought I saw it in one of your videos?
Oto Kano No, I do have serpentine genuine though! Maybe I mixed something similar? The primatek greens are all on my wishlist!
Maybe we can do a swap?
Oto Kano That would be cool!
I was going to say I liked Oto's name even though it's a bit long, but I have to say this one is a winner Sade!
I got both for Christmas, so this video was so informative. I actually like one of the browns you made with green apetite genuine because the granulation makes it look like leather. But undersea green is my absolute favorite.
I feel like Green Apatite Genuine and rough paper would make the perfect dinosaur color lol. The granulation and the mixes all make me think leathery dinosaur skin.
The green apatite really overpowered all the colors you mixed it with, some were even obliterated XD It's such a unique paint. It's interesting to see both compared, I really like them equally!
They are both really lovely, very different paints. I am finding it difficult to choose between the two.
Was the appetite genuine the one that rusted your tube, or was it serpentine? Or something else?
I'm Team Green Apatite but I have to admit those mixes with undersea green are lovely!
@Meow Meow Kapow it was the Malachite genuine that corroded all over the place XP
I have both these on my palette. I love the subtle hue of undersea green and the texture and separation of colours with green apatite. I used green apatite with salt on a particular rendition of some greenery I was painting and it captured the texture of that bush perfectly, without me having to actually paint any detail. I still feel excited when I look at it, but I am a bit of a nerd soooo... 😂 Thanks Oto 👍🏼
Thanks for showing the pigment numbers. I was just able to mix an undersea green dupe
Green appetite genuine is one of my favourite colours and is always on my palette. I am loving these reviews - thank you so much 😊
YES! Two of my favorite greens (the other one is perylene green). I had a very hard time choosing between these two that I bought them both. I tend to use undersea green more but I absolutely love the both of them.
wooo that's good because perylene green is coming up in a later episode!
Yay! I have Perylene green and it's one of my most used colours. Love to see your comparison.
As much as the Undersea Green is a great mixer, the Green Apatite is a stunningly beautiful color for me. I prefer a color that is like a wild horse - difficult to tame. I like mossy with texture like the green on wet rocks.
Great demonstration. I went with green apatite genuine. I love it for the granulation and the separation of the colors. As far as the undersea green I was very tempted to buy it but I checked out the pigments and I could easily make it from the pigments I had and it came out really close to the Daniel Smith. Love your videos. So much great information. I'm glad I discovered you. I can't wait to watch the rest of them.
I know I'm late but here goes. Green apatite genuine to me is beautiful and I think the mixes are very useful for the shrubbery and greens where I live in the USA. I love the way it mixes created such organic colors and textures. In fact, I think your mixes here are gorgeous! Undersea Green reminds me of my babies diapers after giving them spinach. I have sampled them both. Seriously, it's a nasty muddy dirty green in my mind. LOL! Yes, it's interesting to learn what we all love and why.
Undersea Green is what I would pick. It mixes well and can stand on its own. Thank you for showing what it can do. I love this series and your channel!
I definitely see the merits of both. I LOVE the intensity of the Green Apatite Genuine. It's a beautiful, bold green. The Undersea comes across as more of an olive/drab green, which doesn't appeal to me as much.
Awesome video! I was looking for info on undersea green and this delivered. I love the characterization of green apatite genuine as a bad boy that doesn't play well with others. I have to agree!
Interesting. Thank you very much, this video has been very timely for me as I'm looking at purchasing one of these two. I can now see that Undersea green would be the better convenience mix for me as it is a good match with the colour of gums leaves in my area. (I'm in Australia.) I wonder what a teensie touch of cerulean blue hue would do for it. :) While the Green Apatite genuine is gorgeous on it's own I can't see a use for it on my palette. BTW, your previous Moon glow vs Shadow violet comparison was also very interesting. I was looking to get Shadow violet to try our but now I'm happy to continue with my Moon glow.
So happy to hear that this video came at a good time for you. If it helps one person make a good informed decision, it makes my day! I agree, I would say undersea green would be much more suited to what you are wanting to use it for. I hope you have a wonderful time with it, it's a beautiful colour and mixes so well with others.
I love undersea green, and I don’t even think I have apetite genuine. Just like moonglow, undersea green is great in its color separation! I’ve used it in backgrounds before as the entire background and it’s gorgeous. I think my paper must be more textured than yours because it separates more than yours has and ina way that I just ADORE.
hmmm maybe I didn't use enough water with it? I know I have issues with water control at the moment. What paper do you normally use?
Oto Kano I don’t really have a “normal” paper that I use, but the one that I remember most clearly was on some loose bee paper company sheets, the ones that come in 6x9 size. I think I remember the paper warping a decent amount so it was probably the thinner grade paper (Not the 300gsm one).
Thanks very much for the comparison Oto.
I love green apatite genuine so much. My favorite color in the whole world. I used it most recently for my neices’s puppy, who has green eyes... it is so perfect for green eyes...I also must have undersea green. I have a green and blue paint problem...
I have always had such a soft spot for Undersea Green!! I never thought about it too much but definitely found myself using it as a very convenient and fun mixing color to play with. I love the soft granulation it has on it’s own, though I will admit I have yet to try the apatite. You have sparked an interest for me though!! 😱✨✨✨
yes the granulation in the undersea green is soooo lovely! Yay! I love that these videos are encouraging people to try new colours.
I have both of these colors. I do a lot of floral/botanical and also landscape. They each have their place so I use them both a lot. Probably I reach for the Green Apatite Genuine more
Both greens look very useful to me, but I love having lots of colors ready to use. That way, I usually don't have to put very many colors on my palette. As is the norm, Oto Kano, EXCELLENT video!
These are both such gorgeous colors. I recently bought a Celadonite Green that I love very much, but it's muted like the Undersea Green. I desperately wanted to find a use for it, and now I can see that it's a good one for mixing like your USG, and it would add some lovely granulation too!
woooo does the Celadonite Green mix as well as the undersea green does?
This Celodonite is a gemstone paint created by Rivervale Watercolors/Etsy. It is very low tinting strength, so it would mute any color? It's a grey-green. I don't know, it was an expensive impulse buy at $12 for a half pan! I guess I just wanted something fancy! LOL
I have both on my palette, but find myself reach more and more for green apatite genuine, but mix more often with the undersea green. I've just found this series....and you! So glad I did!
aw so glad you've found this series, thank you for watching :D
Oh man, I've never liked how undersea green looks by itself. I didn't know it made such beautiful mixes! I like green apatite gen. better but you've made me appreciate undersea green a lot more!
Yes, was surprised at how beautiful it mixes with other colours. I am of the same feeling about undersea green on it's own, it's an okay colour. But wow, when mixed, it's so beautiful.
Can't wait for my green apatite genuine and cerulean blue chromium (your videos helped me to pick those), to arrive from Jackson. I live in Argentina and i have to wait around a month!..good thing is when spending usd50 the shipping is free including tracking so i don't complain...but i get impacient for sure.
Green Apatite Genuine is gorgeous no doubt, however, the price is breathtaking!
Where do you find the swatch paper? Love your channel!😊
I like this series when You compare the colors
Wow I would have never guessed undersea green was a good mixing color!
I made a discovery after watching your video and experimenting with the two colors myself. My discovery was that it's very important to evacuate Undersea Green in various lights as in some lights, (like florescent), it appears nearly identical in shade to Green Apatite when side-to-side. However, in incandescent light Undersea Green has the much deeper mossy green as the one in this video. Undersea green has a HUGE color shift dependent on lighting conditions, more so than I've noticed with any other color I've played with thus far. Thank you for your video my friend! Edit: I just love the blue and yellow undertones of Undersea Green regardless of lighting. It's perfect for multi dimensional/textured trees & foliage achieved in just one easy stroke. Undersea Green has an almost magical quality, similar in effect to that of moonglow.
Woooooo this is super interesting, thank you for letting me know!
I already have Undersea Green and love the subtle granulation, but now I need to put Green Apatite Genuine in my wishlist! It will be in a granulating colors palette 😍
Woooo may I ask what colours are on your granulating palette so far? I am thinking of putting one together for myself.
Oto Kano I am still building it up but so far I have Imperial Purple, Rose of Ultramarine, Moonglow, Lunar Blue, Cascade Green, Undersea Green and Serpentine Genuine
Those are all very lovely colours. I bet they look amazing together.
Yasmine S. awesome! I just got a rich green gold and will definitely save up for the green apatite genuine!!
Cascade Green is on my next shopping list, I just noticed it for the first time :)
I think your glazing tests show why DS just cant be my fav. I LOVE glazing and layering and i really live for that in my watercolors.
Ps. I mix green APP gen all the time. i just dont use as much as you did.
Yes I think I used way too much of the green apatite genuine in my mixes. 😂What's your favourite colours to mix with it?
easy! ultramarines of any sort and LAPIS LAZULI GENUINE!!!! It Green app + any blues, yellows and greens always makes things interesting and pretty for me, the trick is to treat green like it was a phthalo color just very very tinting. but green app and lapis lazuli... wowsers that takes granulation to almost offensive levels. with Hansa yellow lite it makes an almost perfect sap green type color.
Thank you so much for your tip on how to mix it with other colours. It's a great way to think about how to use the colour.
Oh my goodness, I just had those two tubes in my hands while at Blick and because I couldn’t decide I didn’t get either!! Now I wish I had gotten both! 😂 I did get a primary triad from both M Graham and Da Vinci instead; I don’t regret it as I didn’t have any of either and now I can finally try both, but man Daniel Smith is so fascinating!
wooo please let me know how you get on with the M Grahams and the Da Vinci. The green apatite genuine and undersea green looks so similar in all colour charts that they are so difficult to decide!
I really like that glow in apatite genuine. But I'm not big fan of heavily granulating colors. I really look forward to this series, this is so useful info!
so glad you are enjoying these videos. Yes the green apatite genuine GLOWS. Like, GLLLOOOWWWWSSSS.
Lovely! Oto... I enjoyed watching your swatches Tfs 😃
I really like these colour vs colour. I have the green apatite I find the colour similar to their sap green. It's nice to use for landscapes. Green apatite is fun to work with but I'm not fond of the colour as I don't need it much.
So glad you are enjoying these videos :D Yes the green apatite is fun but I am still struggling to figure out how to include it in my paintings.
I don't have any Daniel Smith paints, because they are very expensive here (in general 3times more expensive than Schmincke Horadam, W&N professional or Sennelier...). But these greens are soooo incredibly beautiful. The Green Apatite Genuine is so beautiful - I love the granulation. The mixes of the Undersea Green are gorgeous. Thank you for testing them out. It's so important for me, because of the price I have to choose the DS paints wisely, if I want some and this helps a lot!
So glad these videos are helping you to make more informed decisions. I hate having to wonder if what I am about to buy is the right thing or not.
Me too! But I'm more willing to try out a professional paint for 4-5€ in a 5ml tube, than a 12-15€ paint for a 5ml tube. So, this is incredibly helpfull. I'm still in awe of this Undersea Green mixes - I love the muted colors. :)
I think, it's just crazy in Germany and I don't get why that is. 15-16€ for 15ml is a good price and comparable to Schmincke, Sennelier and W&N. I guess, I'll have to make a little trip to France :D You've already mentioned the Le Géant des Beaux Arts to me. :)
Since you've mentioned the shop and amazon.fr, I'm already choosing colors for a custom palette. :D I always thought, that the price have to me somewhat similar throughout Europe, but it's crazy, that the differences are so high. This is heaven. :)
That's so nice of you to offer to shop with you! :) I will let you know. I can easily be contacted over youtube.
I REALLY enjoyed this comparison. Greens are very much my jam. If I was forced, I'd probably go for the Green Apatite - it's just so vibrant and lovely and the texture of it's really nice. Really love the muted tones of the undersea green and its mixes, too, though. . . so I'm thinking both is good, lol. They're both gorgeous. And it was very useful to see how very different they a re.
I know what you mean, they are just so hard to choose between. Thank you for watching the video :D
Funny the subjectivity of Colors as my opinion is totally opposite of yours :) I do a lot of Landscapes & love the shadowy depths one gets mixing the Gr Apatite Gen. I have Undersea & tend to use that as a Single finding it tends to mute down or flatten other colors when mixing - far from exciting colors - sort of "Meh!". They tend not to lend too much in "value" overall & feel they need some nearby contrast? But hey! to each his own & its hard to be opinionated about ANY color outside of a Painting - its all relative. Thank you for these FANTASTIC Color Showdowns - you give the best & incredibly thorough ones out there!
I don't have Undersea Green; but, I do have Green Apatite Genuine. I like it and use it primarily in landscapes and rocky formations.
Great video! I have both of these colours and must admit that I don't like Undersea Green that much as it seems a bit of a muddy colour to me. I love the granulation in Green Apatite Genuine:)
Green apatite genuine is such a fun wild colour to use!
Both ! I got them both... love them ❤❣❤
I think rubber, scales, and background foliage would be good for Apatite Genuine. Undersea looks great for, well, underwater lakes, close ups on plants, and moss.
I would have both colours for a landscape palette. I think you could get some great Forrest effects.
I love Undersea Green - use it regularly!
Neither of these are super exciting to me either, Oto! Undersea could be fun to have if I ever found it on sale just to have, but I don't think I'd want it on my main palette either.
You are so like me, it's go bright or go home, right? 😂
Oto Kano Yaaassss! I just added Permanent Green Pale to my palette. Yeah, I could mix it, but it's just so freaking bright and makes me so happy to see!
I love the undersea green in mixes but not necessary on it's own. I don't think it's a good enough reason to give it a place in my palette. (Same goes for many other "good mixing colours".) The green apatite: nah, too specific and not beautiful enough. And night now I realise that I'm picky. ;) Thank you Oto, great series!
Yes I think the green apatite is very specific in its use. It will be good to find a really good use for them in my art though as it gives such a unique texture. I agree with you about undersea green, it's okaaayyy on its own but so lovely in mixes.
Green Apatite Genuine perfect for illustration
Would you consider green apatite warm or cool?
Though, I see by your test here the Undersea Green mixes better (at least I think). I am going to have to try some of these mixtures. I don't mix Green Apatite a lot because it does add a lot of granulation
I like the apatite mixing.
As usual, another useful video, thank you.❤
I love undersea green and I never used it on its own. Great for mixing though. I have always preferred colours with mixing power.
Undersea Green looks like sap green and and a touch of Payne’s Grey. I love the Apatite Green and Serpentine Green both.
I have both... Green Appatite and Undersea Green... however, my Undersea Green squeezes out of three different tubes. I don't understand why people buy multiple pigment paints.
The beauty of the Green Appatite is that the granulating pigments are very warm.
hi oto, i was wondering if u have compared ds green apatite with ds serpentine green or anything else as far as that goes then could u just show the 2 cards to compare rather than go thru the whole thing again. i would love to see them together. right now i am still sold on the apatite green but i am a crystal nerd & apatite is one of my favs. but the undersea green is an awesome mixer - i'll pry end up with all 3 of them anyway. lol thanks
I think green apatite mixes are pretty and deep, but they all are green (except couple of colours). I like it as a standalone colour, I like texture of it (could use for some special effects), but undersea green is much more versatile even though I don't particularly like this colour. I mean, I have prettier greens on my palette, I have colours I can mix in pretty greens, and I can dull it with my other colours and I will like it much more than undersea green.
undersea green for me on this one :) Only because I have the ap. genuine
Undersea for me!
I'm totally into "bad boy-color" :)
I have both. Green Apatite is very fussy about what it likes to mix with, but it's so pretty. I love the muted colors Undersea Green gives.
Yes, the green apatite is so unique and beautiful in its own right. What do you normally use it for in your art?
Love your accent.
Thank you so much Meda 🤗
Love Green Apatite
-Green apatite-
Me: ooooh that looks like sea weed!
Undersea green.
Me: rock! That's the color of those pretty, smooth rocks!
lol yes the undersea green IS the colour of those pretty smooth rocks. I love your description.
No, I can't have that! I can't sit still, even though this video is already 5 yesrs old. But I have to contradict! Okay, we are all entitled to our own opinion, and you have yours. But you can't say "Green Apatite Genuine is not a pretty color", you have to say that you feel/think it wasn't. I on the other hand totally disagree! It is my most favorite color. For me, it is very beautiful, has a lot of character and charme!
Green Apatite Genuine
great choice 👍
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Undersea Green looks like sap green and and a touch of Payne’s Grey. I love the Apatite Green and Serpentine Green both!
i respect your work so very much but is it important to drown yourself out with music please? your voice is great and information always tip top. thanks