That is not true when you say that the profactor batteries are not compatible with Bosch other tools. They are compatible with all the cordless tools, since their first cordless tool from way back in 2007. I have all their cordless tools and they all fit on their old tools and their old batteries on the new tools. This coming from a Lifetime Bosch user for over 23 years. Very detailed video sir. Informative. Much respect.
In the US market, for whatever reason, they branded the 12ah batteries “Profactor Exclusive” and stuck a tab on it so that it only keys into specific tools. I only use them on the tablesaw anyway, but still, really stupid. Makita has been doing the same thing with the XGT platform (but in all markets) where random XGT batteries don’t work with random XGT tools.
@@robertrada4783 What they mean by Profactor Exlusive is, in terms of the power, for the more heavy duty, power consumption tools, the Profactor Batteries are made to handle that load. It does not mean they are not backwards compatible,because they are. I have many of them(Profactor Batteries) and use them on my old Bosch 18V Tools from since 2007 and vice versa,with my old 18V Batteries(1st types of 18V Bosch Batteries) from 2007 on my new Profactor Tools. I will not get the brute power with the old 18V batteries on my Profactor Tools, but they still work on my Profactor Tools. Much respect.
@@dellusionportland8867 The US market 12ah batteries have a tab that prevents them from being used on most tools. I did not believe it at first but it is true. This coming from a lifetime love/hate relationship with Bosch for over forty years. 😉 The 8ah and 4ah batteries are compatible across all tools just as they are in the rest of the world.
@@dellusionportland8867 I live in the US. I have US market 12ah batteries. They have a tab on them. They don’t fit on most Bosch tools. AFAIK, this is only the case in North America. My acquaintances around the world were stunned when I showed them on video.
Honestly, this is probably THE best Bosch demo video I've seen. And I've watched many - German, American and British. However, I missed the red button you mentioned for changing blades. I wish you could have shown your audience how that's done. Otherwise, this is a brilliant video. Thanks for sharing.
Today I got makita xgt right blade saw for around 270$ with battery and charger. I was really impressed and I will stick with it rather than rear handle. Sold my old 36v and waiting to test 40v rear handle.
That is a beautiful PRO Factor circular saw. Appreciate your reviews. NEW Subscriber here. I hope you and yours are doing well. May 2022 bring you much success.
It does seem more accurate and stable on the Bosch track, which uses a different rail than the Makita/Festool system. Great thing it supports both systems though.
I think Bosch now has the GKS 18V-70 L, which is a 7 1/4" blade left saw that works on a track. Mafell should have some plunge or track compatible saws for a 190 mm blade size (7.25")
The plastic grip or teeth that use to adjust the saw depth, actually, if plastic were well build, it would be more durable than Metal or Aluminum. Because Metal & SS rust... while aluminum has to be thick... but either way, all of these will be easily worn out. I find plastic to be more durable, if it's fiber glass reinforced.
Yep. Modern glass or carbon reinforced thermoplastics are stronger and more wear resistant than a lot of aluminium alloys, particularly those used to cast parts.
The german Bosch site says that the 12Ah Procore is compatible with all 18V Bosch professional tools no matter how old. Wonder where you got the information from that it's just for the BiTurbo tools?
I should've showed it in the video. But the 12 amp hour battery will just not fit on my other 18 V tools like the Bosch freak. They have plastic tabs there that prevent it from sliding in all the way on some tools
It’s a surprise gift for the North American market that they already burned most of their bridges with. Literally, the 12ah batteries are marketed as “Profactor Exflusive”, have an extra tab and only certain tools are keyed to take them. I presume it’s to keep people from importing American market tools that are usually sold at bargain prices. Ironically, until very recently, Americans had to resort to importing all of the cordless tools Bosch didn’t bother to sell here.
@@robertrada4783 Kind of makes sense. But don't worry we germans have other tool problems. The prices for Milwaukee tools here are sometimes double (or even more) than the prices in the US.
@@saiiiiiii1 I do want to live in a world where a carpenter is looking at a Mafell saw and a Milwaukee saw and they’re both the same price. I would be thoroughly entertained.
Great review , I really like this saw , I am wondering , I see lots of information saying that it is recommended to use the 8 or 12 amp batteries for full power and potential , I am heavily invested into the Bosch tools , but unfortunately I have yet to buy any with the 8 or 12 amp batteries , I am curious to know if anyone has tried it with the 6.3 core battery , I would love to find out if it will work with with the 6.3 better than the new 4.0 core or obviously the typical 4 amp batteries
I've used it with 4Ah batteries just fine, the profactor batteries just give it a bit more power. Haven't pushed it hard enough for the 4Ah to bog down but I'm sure I could if I tried.
I don't have the 6.3 battery but it has to perform better than a single row 4Ah CORE Battery. If the old 4Ah battery with 18650 cells performs the same if not a smidge better then the CORE 4Ah battery, then the 6.3 CORE with higher discharge cells should be better than both.
If you aren’t cutting framing, or thick engineered wood beams etc, or running the saw hard for an extended time, then the 8ah or 12 aren’t essential. The 8ah is unwieldy on drills, so I only really use it on the circular saw, recip, and occasionally my grinder. It is nice to have, sure, but you can make do with regular batteries until you really need it. For general use, regular 4-6ah Bosch batteries work fine.
BTW no argument needed it’s not a track saw. It’s a strong arm circular saw with track comparability. Just as your title states and perhaps this should have been in your opening remarks. I know I’m sounding critical and to some extent I am. However, if one is going to make statements that are misleading or incorrect then one should welcome the correct information. In an effort to ensure I wasn’t spreading dis/misinformation I’ve copied and pasted the product information “This circular saw delivers corded performance from an 18V cordless 7-1/4 In. saw. The Bosch GKS18V-25GC 18V 7-1/4 In. BITURBO Brushless™ Circular Saw has a 2-1/2 In. cut capacity, easily cutting through 2X (“two by”) material across the entire bevel range. This circ saw is part of the PROFACTOR™ System, which pairs BITURBO Brushless™ Technology with a CORE18V® High Power Battery. BITURBO Brushless™ Technology is a high-performance motor and drive-train system designed to deliver power comparable to high-demand corded tools. Its ECO mode helps get the job done by extending runtime by up to 30%. One-Touch depth-adjustment allows quick, accurate change with one hand. An onboard user interface provides speed-setting control with six settings and tool feedback. It features connectivity (module sold separately), which links users to a connected device via the Bosch Toolbox App to customize settings and receive detailed feedback. It has a 0-50° bevel range, and the auxiliary handle improves stability and handling. The saw is compatible with Bosch as well as select manufacturers’ track-guidance systems, enabling users to make straight cuts fast. It has an electronic convenience brake for less downtime between cuts and a 360° pivoting port directing dust away from the body when the saw is held in either hand.” Hope this clarifies your suspicions that indeed this isn’t a track saw and indeed isn’t for precision cutting. It’s likely a job-site saw for accurate cutting of sheet goods using a wide verity of competitor tracks. It’s certainly clearer to me that I need to be looking for a different saw. One that is indeed a track saw.
great detailed review , few points streamline your speech, eg. dont have to read out all the numbers just say the average lots of techmical inaccuracies eg. lots of false information regarding the procore batteries!
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That is not true when you say that the profactor batteries are not compatible with Bosch other tools. They are compatible with all the cordless tools, since their first cordless tool from way back in 2007. I have all their cordless tools and they all fit on their old tools and their old batteries on the new tools. This coming from a Lifetime Bosch user for over 23 years. Very detailed video sir. Informative. Much respect.
In the US market, for whatever reason, they branded the 12ah batteries “Profactor Exclusive” and stuck a tab on it so that it only keys into specific tools. I only use them on the tablesaw anyway, but still, really stupid. Makita has been doing the same thing with the XGT platform (but in all markets) where random XGT batteries don’t work with random XGT tools.
@@robertrada4783 What they mean by Profactor Exlusive is, in terms of the power, for the more heavy duty, power consumption tools, the Profactor Batteries are made to handle that load. It does not mean they are not backwards compatible,because they are. I have many of them(Profactor Batteries) and use them on my old Bosch 18V Tools from since 2007 and vice versa,with my old 18V Batteries(1st types of 18V Bosch Batteries) from 2007 on my new Profactor Tools. I will not get the brute power with the old 18V batteries on my Profactor Tools, but they still work on my Profactor Tools. Much respect.
@@dellusionportland8867 The US market 12ah batteries have a tab that prevents them from being used on most tools. I did not believe it at first but it is true. This coming from a lifetime love/hate relationship with Bosch for over forty years. 😉 The 8ah and 4ah batteries are compatible across all tools just as they are in the rest of the world.
@@dellusionportland8867 I live in the US. I have US market 12ah batteries. They have a tab on them. They don’t fit on most Bosch tools. AFAIK, this is only the case in North America. My acquaintances around the world were stunned when I showed them on video.
@@robertrada4783 Wow! That is strange indeed. I understand what you say, sir. I am sorry you experienced that. Much respect.
Honestly, this is probably THE best Bosch demo video I've seen. And I've watched many - German, American and British. However, I missed the red button you mentioned for changing blades. I wish you could have shown your audience how that's done. Otherwise, this is a brilliant video. Thanks for sharing.
Today I got makita xgt right blade saw for around 270$ with battery and charger. I was really impressed and I will stick with it rather than rear handle. Sold my old 36v and waiting to test 40v rear handle.
Good stuff
That is a beautiful PRO Factor circular saw. Appreciate your reviews. NEW Subscriber here. I hope you and yours are doing well. May 2022 bring you much success.
same to you friend!
It does seem more accurate and stable on the Bosch track, which uses a different rail than the Makita/Festool system. Great thing it supports both systems though.
Just ordered this… I’m heavy into bosch 18v ecosystem. Kinda disappointed that they can’t release a 7 1/4 track saw
i not sure if anyone has a 7-1/4 inch track saw
I think Bosch now has the GKS 18V-70 L, which is a 7 1/4" blade left saw that works on a track.
Mafell should have some plunge or track compatible saws for a 190 mm blade size (7.25")
@@4thewinakMafell indeed do and have done so.
The plastic grip or teeth that use to adjust the saw depth, actually, if plastic were well build, it would be more durable than Metal or Aluminum. Because Metal & SS rust... while aluminum has to be thick... but either way, all of these will be easily worn out.
I find plastic to be more durable, if it's fiber glass reinforced.
Yep. Modern glass or carbon reinforced thermoplastics are stronger and more wear resistant than a lot of aluminium alloys, particularly those used to cast parts.
Is it a zero clearance cut with either style track?? Or is there still a need to measure off??
The german Bosch site says that the 12Ah Procore is compatible with all 18V Bosch professional tools no matter how old. Wonder where you got the information from that it's just for the BiTurbo tools?
I should've showed it in the video. But the 12 amp hour battery will just not fit on my other 18 V tools like the Bosch freak. They have plastic tabs there that prevent it from sliding in all the way on some tools
It’s a surprise gift for the North American market that they already burned most of their bridges with. Literally, the 12ah batteries are marketed as “Profactor Exflusive”, have an extra tab and only certain tools are keyed to take them. I presume it’s to keep people from importing American market tools that are usually sold at bargain prices. Ironically, until very recently, Americans had to resort to importing all of the cordless tools Bosch didn’t bother to sell here.
@@robertrada4783 Kind of makes sense. But don't worry we germans have other tool problems. The prices for Milwaukee tools here are sometimes double (or even more) than the prices in the US.
@@saiiiiiii1 I do want to live in a world where a carpenter is looking at a Mafell saw and a Milwaukee saw and they’re both the same price. I would be thoroughly entertained.
Great vid, thx! Does this saw have a 45 positive bevel stop?
Waiting Bosch PROFACTOR GKT18V-20GCL.
5.5” blade though
👍🏼
Great review , I really like this saw , I am wondering , I see lots of information saying that it is recommended to use the 8 or 12 amp batteries for full power and potential , I am heavily invested into the Bosch tools , but unfortunately I have yet to buy any with the 8 or 12 amp batteries , I am curious to know if anyone has tried it with the 6.3 core battery , I would love to find out if it will work with with the 6.3 better than the new 4.0 core or obviously the typical 4 amp batteries
I've used it with 4Ah batteries just fine, the profactor batteries just give it a bit more power. Haven't pushed it hard enough for the 4Ah to bog down but I'm sure I could if I tried.
I don't have the 6.3 battery but it has to perform better than a single row 4Ah CORE Battery.
If the old 4Ah battery with 18650 cells performs the same if not a smidge better then the CORE 4Ah battery, then the 6.3 CORE with higher discharge cells should be better than both.
If you aren’t cutting framing, or thick engineered wood beams etc, or running the saw hard for an extended time, then the 8ah or 12 aren’t essential. The 8ah is unwieldy on drills, so I only really use it on the circular saw, recip, and occasionally my grinder. It is nice to have, sure, but you can make do with regular batteries until you really need it. For general use, regular 4-6ah Bosch batteries work fine.
The new Core+ 8Ah batteries yae tabless cells and allegedly run +70% longer.
Profactor in US = Biturbo?
Yes, correct.
It’s a square is a rectangle thing. Biturbo is Profactor, but Profactor isn’t always Biturbo.
BTW no argument needed it’s not a track saw. It’s a strong arm circular saw with track comparability. Just as your title states and perhaps this should have been in your opening remarks. I know I’m sounding critical and to some extent I am. However, if one is going to make statements that are misleading or incorrect then one should welcome the correct information. In an effort to ensure I wasn’t spreading dis/misinformation I’ve copied and pasted the product information
“This circular saw delivers corded performance from an 18V cordless 7-1/4 In. saw. The Bosch GKS18V-25GC 18V 7-1/4 In. BITURBO Brushless™ Circular Saw has a 2-1/2 In. cut capacity, easily cutting through 2X (“two by”) material across the entire bevel range. This circ saw is part of the PROFACTOR™ System, which pairs BITURBO Brushless™ Technology with a CORE18V® High Power Battery. BITURBO Brushless™ Technology is a high-performance motor and drive-train system designed to deliver power comparable to high-demand corded tools. Its ECO mode helps get the job done by extending runtime by up to 30%. One-Touch depth-adjustment allows quick, accurate change with one hand. An onboard user interface provides speed-setting control with six settings and tool feedback. It features connectivity (module sold separately), which links users to a connected device via the Bosch Toolbox App to customize settings and receive detailed feedback. It has a 0-50° bevel range, and the auxiliary handle improves stability and handling. The saw is compatible with Bosch as well as select manufacturers’ track-guidance systems, enabling users to make straight cuts fast. It has an electronic convenience brake for less downtime between cuts and a 360° pivoting port directing dust away from the body when the saw is held in either hand.”
Hope this clarifies your suspicions that indeed this isn’t a track saw and indeed isn’t for precision cutting. It’s likely a job-site saw for accurate cutting of sheet goods using a wide verity of competitor tracks. It’s certainly clearer to me that I need to be looking for a different saw. One that is indeed a track saw.
A track saw is a track saw. A plunge cut tracksaw is a plunge cut tracksaw. A crosscut tracksaw is a crosscut tracksaw. They’re all tracksaws.
SLOW DOWN it's not a race. Let the Tool do the Work for you. Just what I was Taught. And my Opinion. Respectfully
Agreed that’s the proper way.
great detailed review , few points
streamline your speech, eg. dont have to read out all the numbers just say the average
lots of techmical inaccuracies eg. lots of false information regarding the procore batteries!
Lots of correct information if you are in the United States. They went out of their way to be different here.
@@robertrada4783 I mean fundamental principals of of batteries.