Both Milwaukee and dewalt does well in europe. Mikwaukee is the biggest brand in Norway right now. Their marketing is very good and aggressive. Dewalt also does well. Most European brands are quite poor at marketing
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647Norway? NORWAY? 😂 Might as well say Milwaukee is #1 in Sahara desert. Norway is as economically relevant to the rest of Europe as Sahara is to South Africa. 😂 American brands focus on wooden construction hint hint. Not many places in Europe give a damn how fast you can put a screw into wood or cut 2x4. American tools are like American cars, or anything else other than weapons or tech. Try using Milwaukee or dewalt on brick and mortar constructions and see how they do. I hate every dewalt tool my company forces me to use. Unrefined peace of garbage.
There’s also something to be said about American attitudes. Bosch focuses on good engineering and ergonomics. Their tools are lighter and more efficient than domestically-designed tool companies. As a Bosch user, I get shit from folks who lug around their heavy, loud American tools. I think insecure men feel they need that as a prop, like big trucks.
your not wrong, my tools are makita and bosch, and all though bosch isnt common here there is lots of little things i like about them. its a 50/50 split for me between bosch and makita but every tools company makes really good tools and the odd bad one. i like having the best and ive never had that great of luck with milwaukee and dewalt, dewalt is the only brand ive had things almost catch fire and milwaukee has never interested me and its super expensive
i have Maktia, Bosch, Ryobi, Some Milwauke and Metabo tools. I have settled on Bosch and Ryobi. Bosch for heavy duty tools and Ryobi for tools that i wont use that often anyways and dont see the point of paying profesional prices.
I’m knee deep in Milwaukee but got a Bosch cordless sander because it looks like the new Milwaukee RO sander (unreleased yet) is just a reverse engineered Bosch. I love the sander. Definitely feels like they design more for ergonomics and refinement than brute power.
Prediction is less about insecurity and more about conditioning. Don’t be this confident in ignorance. Just because someone likes something big and loud doesn’t mean they’re insecure. They were probably just raised in that culture.
My entire US shop is Bosch, corded, 12v and 18v. Zero issues. Bosch doesn't have a visible presence at retail stores like Home Depot, thus isn't held up on a pedestal from an optics standpoint to the average consumer. As someone who doesn't buy tools based on what's on the retail shelf, I chose Bosch.
Well said that's my reason why I choose Bosch in a nut shell I don't follow the crowd it works for me not following the next fool with the trading tools
I'd dont get the value of Bosh Something that lasts: Makita Something the most powerful: Milwaulkee Something that'd a great value: DeWalt Something that comes to my shop Snap-on I just don't see why I'd buy it
@@precesionnoreaster1507Mikita doesn’t last any longer then dewalt which says a lot. Dewalt is a great value if you don’t value your hands, bones and ears etc. Milwaukee could easily make better and smaller version of their mechanics focused tool as corded but then they won’t get to exploit people with batteries which companies now use like they did with INK for the printers. Then they way overcharge to make sure you will feel stupid if you ever think of leaving a negative review. 😂 If you worked with brick and mortar construction, you would never have a reason to switch from Bosh. Europe is made of brick and mortar, not sticks and glue. 😂
I’m from Australia, carpenters mostly have makita here but i own around 10k worth of cordless Bosch and it is fantastic. 6 year tool and battery warranty and whenever the boys use my tools they make comments how nice they are.
I’ve owned Bosch tools by choice for over 20 years. They are exceptionally tough. It’s too bad they dont more to put themselves out there. Plus you can’t beat Bosch Blue
I think Jeff is right with Bosch being interested in large companies rather than individuals. I'm in europe and they are quite prevalent here and while I would not spring out for bosch for my homeshop, I do have a few of their 12v drills, they are cheap, work great (great trigger, reasonable power for such a small tool) and I wouldnt touch their cordless green tools (they are midway between cheap and pro tools price wise and just look kind of weird. On the other hand, their green corded line is great - qualitywise its pretty close to more expensive brands, but the price is quite low, so for tools I prefer corded (router, sander) they are probably the best, although quite unknown option.
I purchased a bosch 18v sander, and a drill for some home reno work last year. I picked them up mostly because I can go onto their website, and look at schematics and buy repair parts.
Bosch doesn’t need to shill to influencers to get their products like other brands do. Bosch tools speak for themselves. People who use them love it and stick with it
Bosch has been introducing new tools every other week now for the past few months. Bosch is far from dead. Their testing on TTC proves they're stepping up their game.
since biturbo and procore they are easily one of the most powerful 18v tools out there now, its been out for years but it seems like the americans have only just got them
When I retired my DeWalt cordless tools I went with Bosch don't have to worry about my batteries walking and I like the ergonomics better than the DeWalt.
Yep. Especially now that Lowes is pushing Kobalt and Flex and Craftsman as their house brands then deWalt as the "pro" brand. Everything else is in the dust covered aisle..
Bosch, Metabo HPT and Skil aisles look the saddest in my nearest Lowe's However they have always committed to my store pickup orders and their BOGO deals are second to none. That (and their reliability) is what keeps me in the blue camp.
Ive been moving away from ridgid and over to bosch for my new tools. You can usually get a battery free with bosch tool at lowes. I now have more bosch batteries than i ever did with ridgid.
@@WHATDATTOOLDOfr, im genuinely jealous ridgid powertools arent available outside the us. We get the crappier aeg(same brand) tools and not the full line up.
If you have a carpenter show up at your house with any big box over stocked tool…expect real quality outcomes😂😂😂😂 festool and Bosch are for the guys who really know what they’re doing 👍
I’ve had no issues with my 18v stuff, aside from my first slim packs finally hitting the end of their lives after 15 years. As someone that occasionally works on random house renovations, I quite like that my tools are less likely to walk away since everyone uses yellow or red. Also easier to figure out who’s tools are whose when you have roommates that also have power tools. I hunt around and find the best deal, usually not any more expensive than the other brands. Honestly, seems a bit pointless to make a video saying a brand is irrelevant when it’s not a quality issue.
So no one would care. Especially not me, since I have numerous tools and batteries and would have to invest in a totally new system. But I’m sure I’m the only person alive that can say that. And good thing Bosch only makes a few tools, nothing else; I’m sure NO ONE would care if they just stopped doing business.
@@gk7588😂 You sum up the IQ of average American tool user. Can you even point on the map where “the rest of the world’s 9 billion people” live? Do you see past your stick and glue made homes? Can you see those brick and mortar made buildings and constructions all around the world? Yea…that’s who would care. It’s the building that get wiped out by a strong wind that no one cares about. You know the ones that same people build using American tools 😂. You got to be a tool in order to say that #2 tool maker in the world is irrelevant just because they don’t try to give you a tool that compensates for lack of a tool on your part😂. Why else would any real man care what social media has to say? 🤦
I used to buy Bosch wipers as the best available for my vehicle... and I stopped buying them when they stopped selling replacement wiper refills and you had to buy the entire wiper and arm assembly (which is now how they all are). I hate the "throw away culture" we have now, especially when it's completely unnecessary like in this case.
Then again there is Bosh Power Share. Bosch Batterys are used in many other maschines from other companys from garden tools to packaging hand machines from companys like Cyclops
@engineer_alv Wagner and Titan are on the platform now too. I think you may see some other speciality tool brands switch to Bosch batteries in the future. Instead of investing their own dollars into their own proprietary battery platforms. They can take those dollars and invest it in their tools.
thta's true i have fein amm 700 amp share and it's great that i don't need new batteries, it's also nice that bosch works with sortimo which is quite big in europe, and together they make L-boxx and other transport and storage systems.
When I worked for a mill shop back in the late 90's Bosch was thought of as the high end German made tool. Our tool of choice at the time was Porter-Cable for routers, sanders, saws.
You should try the Bosch quick release multi-tool. It is miles ahead of any other quick release for multi-tools (including DeWalt). It is easier to operate than the DeWalt quick release and you can use any StarLock blade. Try it next time you are at a Lowe's, it is amazing. Speaking of blades, this might be a bit off topic, but Bosch makes great blades and bits. And yes, I am including the Diablo stuff because Bosch owns Diablo. To my eye there isn't a difference between Diablo and Bosch (might be wrong). As far as the deals, I found buy a tool, get a two pack of 4 ah batteries or a battery and charger free. There also happened to be sales at that time on those tools. So I picked up like 5 tools in the $53-100ish range and got a ton of batteries. Also have seen decent buy more save more deals. But that can be a way of buying things that you don't need. All of this was at Lowe's within the last year. I think the deals are a little more hidden because quite frankly not a lot of people care. Which brings me to availability. In my opinion, availability is most important in battery powered tools and is most important when getting someone in a battery line or choosing between two options in one battery line. People that aren't Tool reviewers rarely have more than two battery lines and most only have one. Therefore, few people are shopping between brands for their next cordless tool. It is as simple as choosing the one that is your favorite tool color/the one you have batteries for. You also can't actually use the tool in stores. You can figure out more within 5 minutes of putting a battery in a tool than you will ever be able to in a store. At the end of the day I think Bosch has a marketing problem in the US. They probably need to be in Home Depot to have people interested in them. The tools I have tried are smooth and powerful. Can't speak for the freak, but honestly an impact driver is NOT an impact wrench. Carpenters want to drive a screw as fast as possible and Mechanics just want to get that stupid rusty bolt off. Trying to do both will result in a tool that is meh at best on both fronts. And will likely fail when used as a true impact Wrench. Don't judge a tool brand by its worst idea.
only problem is you can only use a slim to get it flush on the ground and the starlock makita is miles faster in performance. they do have a new one but the oscilation angle is still on the low side which comes with pros and cons
I’m wondering if Americans are aware that Bosch is one of the biggest producers of kitchen and household gadgets like blenders, mixers, washing and drying machines, stoves and stovetops etc. It’s not about marketing but rather USA doesn’t need Bosch products in USA due to strong competition from American brands. In the same fashion USA needs Korean brands in segment of washing machines but doesn’t care about say Samsung phones because iPhone is better suited for Americans.
The problem with the tool market in the US is that stuff is sold based on just power. How fast it can do something. If the tool almost burns its own motor doing so isn't relevant it seems. Refinement, ergonomics, longevity, repairability are all things that are inferior to just power. If all consumers look at is power figures. Who drivers the screw the fastest, then the brands that succeed are the ones who loudly focus on just that, which are the Milwaukee's of the world, and not Bosch. Presence in a shop isn't going to solve that. On top of that is market presecne, everybody has X so everybody wants X is a real thing.
I own a lot of Bosch corded/cordless tools dating back 20 years and really like them. Haven't really had any problems with them. The problem I have with Bosch is their resistance or disinterest in coming out with different tools. They make great drill/drivers, but how many different models of the same thing do you need? One tool I wish they would come out with is a cordless ratchet. I hate that I had to buy a Milwaukee (which is great too), when I have many Bosch batteries already.
They have been coming with new tools or updates to existing tools for a few years now, but I remember following one of the Live Streams from Bosch UK and a few commenters asked for a cordless ratchet. From what i recall it wasn't in the cards several months ago.
I have just a couple Bosch 12V tools, they work great, but I'm not planning on buying any more because they don't currently have anything I need. I would definitely be interested in a 12V ratchet, as well as straight and right angle 12V die grinders with 1/4" chucks. Milwaukee has an extensive line of 12V tools, but they didn't start really pushing those out until after I bought into the Bosch 12V line. Now I wish I would have waited.
@@rudyschwab7709I believe they are launching a 12V right angle die grinder in the next month or so.
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You are absolutely right. Same thing bothered me aswell. But in recent developments they've introduced "ampshare" in which they share the battery technology with other European tool manufacturers. This opens up a whole new line of products they might suit your needs. For instance: "Fein" joined ampshare. Speaking from experience, Fein makes THE finest tools for metal-working. Fein is for metal what Festool is for wood. I love this development.
I use mostly Bosch professional tools, corded, 12v and 18v. Both at work and at home. Most are high quality and good performers to acceptable prices. The new 18v Biturbo tools that I have used performed very well, such as the reciprocating saw and SDS max GBH 18V-45 C concrete hammer drill. Today they have a relatively wide product line with tools for wood, steel and concrete. And many of the weaker tools (in performance) have been replaced with better versions now. I think the main problem is the marketing effort in North America.
Last year I purchased a Bosch corded circular saw. I dropped it multiple times and that thing still wirks great. What turns me off to their cordless tools is that when I was a teenager somebody gave me one and it worked for like 5 days before it completely fried itself in a pretty spectacular fashion.
I bought a 12 volt Bosch Impact/drill driver set almost 10 years ago now. Phenomenal tools! One of the best tool purchases I've ever made and I still use them for most things around my house instead of my 18v impact or drill. Incredible form factor and great battery performance. In fact, I'm still using the same 2 original 2 ah batteries that came with the set and they have held up fantastically. I have accumulated several other 12 volt tools from Bosch As a result of the great performance of the original set. I even managed to find a Bosch branded rotary tool that's not sold in the US. It came inside It came in South Korean package but Other than that It is perfect. Fun fact, Bosch Dremel. Fun fact, Bosch . Fun fact, Bosch owns Bosch Dremel so all the Dremel accessories work just fine
The only 18v Bosch I own is the orbital sander, and it is hands down the smoothest I’ve ever used. My Flex one is definitely more powerful and better for removing material, but the Bosch is buttery smooth.
I don't know what tha' hell was this. It seemed like you were grasping at straws, while trying not to go overboard and everyone calling you on it. So, Bosch marketing from two years ago is the problem is somehow a negative doom-n-gloom indicator - when in fact it worked, given that I didn't know anything about them, but because of their free battery deals, now I am into ALL their 18 and 12V? Or that "Lowe's is not for pros! Well, except for Flex...and Toughbuilt...and Cobalt....oh, yeah, and Bosch..."? Or they don't have a large 18v line...like, you know, Ridgid, and Flex, and Cobalt, and Craftsman, and.........EVERYONE else, but for Makita, Milwaukee and Ryobi? Who tha' hell out there has a bigger line? Hilti doesn't. Neither does Festool. Yes, they are primarily sold on line, but...THEY ALWAYS WERE! How exactly does that make them "irrelevant" NOW, more than before? Dude, sorry, but that sucked. I wouldn't mind if you had a good argument, maybe I missed something I should know, but the way you presented it? The examples you gave were at best uninformed, and at worse dishonest. Ok, Freak is not the most powerful out there, but not everyone needs a wrist-busting impact, but YES, the 1/2 socket adapter is the BEST idea out there on impacts. I have the first, and weakest generation of the Freak, but I also have the latest, third generation, and guess which one I use 95% of the time...Oh, and you showed it with their not-most powerful drill/driver. And then, "not recommending their 18V line"? Really?!? They were the first to use the new 2170 batteries, and not only that, right away they came up with the "pro core" concept, the separating of each stuck working separately, from four years ago, when Milwauke...JUST DID IT THIS YEAR! And they are the smallest factor batteries! They have the best orbital sander line with FOUR different kind of sanders, the best X-Lock system (the ones who came up with it!), the most powerful 6in angle grinder, the most powerful drill/hammer, the most powerful reciprocating saw, the only circular saw and track saw that works on their own proprietary track AND the festool-style tracks, the absolutely-no-freaking-argument best portable 18v HEPA vacuum, and on, and on.... So, yeah, what tha' hell are you talking about?!? Edit: Not a "woodworker tool", but also there is the impact wrenches, both the mid and high impact, the only ones that bested the Milwaukees
My friend and I got drill sets at the same time, I got Bosch, he got makita and were similar specs. He is onto his third drill, my original Bosch is still going hard and that’s after leaving it out overnight in the rain twice in 7 years
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Source? Bosch doesn't just have one 12V drill or impact. I have the GSR-12V-35FC and it's right up there with the strongest 12V drills. When it comes to build quality, battery-system, service and accessories it's a no-brainer compared to something like Hypertough. Of course at a much higher price but these are professional-grade tools.
@iSkyline1 m 12 smoke bosch at a similer price point then you have cheep 12 volt tools like hypertough that are comparable... it is what it is maketa is suffering from the same problems no to low innovation and brands like dewalt ,milwaukee,ridgid and flex outperforming them by alot and makita and bosch are still expensive..
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Again, source? I have seen many comparisons between Bosch and Milwaukee and the differences in torque or whatever else are irrelevant in actual use. The Bosch 12V-drill is used in Formula 1 for assembly, good enough for me. For tyre changes in the garage many racing teams actually use a Milwaukee impact, so both brands make solid tools for professionals.
@@WHATDATTOOLDO This is part of the problem: people valuing peek performance above all else. 12V tools are made to be powerful enough, while being compact, light, and ergonomic. If a GSR 12V-35 drill isn't powerful enough for your application, that's not something you should be using 12V tools for. I use my big DeWalt drill probably twice a year, when I need something like a huge hole saw. Use the right tool for the job. Bosch make a GSR 18V-150 drill that'll break your wrist if you deactivate Kickback Control, and unlike the Milwaukee, won't overheat.
I was gifted Bosch by my father and expanded from there. I have multiple 12v and 18v tools that I've had for several years and they've been great. My company uses Milwaukee and Dewalt and they're ok but I see no need to change what I have for home. Union Carpenter
Bosch lives up to their motto “Built for a lifetime” and I imagine even longer. 20 years ago I bought a corded barrel grip jigsaw it’s done everything thrown at it, even reconditioned it myself cleaning all the parts. 17 years ago I bought my first cordless Bosch drill, it still work perfectly and the 1.5ah batteries still hold a full charge. My workshop has both Bosch 12V and 18V platforms, some specialty tools I’ve even bought and had shipped from Europe that are unavailable in the USA. When Bosch was much better represented at Lowes I knew the East Coast Rep and would push him to get more tools Stateside. The US makes up maybe 14% of their Worldwide market on tools, so obviously they don’t get as much recognition. Some of Bosch’s tools can compete with Festool at half the cost, the ProCore batteries are the best on the market. Sure I own Milwaukee they have one of the biggest platforms, and I own Ridgid. Bosch invented the Jigsaw, they improved grinders greatly. When they owned Skil they utilized their engineering on the first Wormdrive tablesaw, before selling it to the Asian company that helped them develop the Core batteries. They also have the great customer service with Provantage, and in one case they even fixed my tool without charging me.
The entire Bosch 12v line and especially the 18v profactor drill and impacts are absolutely class leading. I own a sawmill and manufacturer custom big timber trusses. We like Bosch the best and have virtually all brands. Bosch isn't going anywhere.
I believe you in the USA are convinced that the Earth spins around Milwaukee, but in Europe Bosch rules, side by side with Makita.i Milwaukee and even DeWalt was pretty much unknown only 5 years ago
Honestly the freak is a beast change the tire on the van then do a subfloor replacement. As a floor guy I run Bosch because my batteries won’t walk away and their tools have a reputation of abuse me please. Haven’t let me down yet bosch is a pro brand . Just overlooked
It's Bosch all the way for me. They are really good tools and tough. I don't choose my brand on the basis of who stocks them, I choose them for performance
Skip Blowes and go straight to HD. Nobody has time for Blowes crap. Half of the time it's already broke because some homeowner already bought it, broke it, and returned without mentioning its broke.
@@jeremynelson8496 It's funny how almost everything in the US turns into a two-camp fight. Democrat vs. Republican, Ford vs. Chevy, Pepsi vs. Coke, Milwaukee vs. DeWalt, iPhone vs. Android, HD vs. Lowes. I wonder why Americans are so receptive to this divisive marketing strategy.
So...they make quality tools and they're the second largest tool manufacturer in the world. I don't understand how this makes Bosch irrelevant. I've always been pretty satisfied with the Bosch tools that I've bought.
It's the American marketing team (which sucks), and huge American retailers (HD and Lowe's) not marketing them to the American public. If you don't care about marketing and order your tools from someplace else, either brick and mortar (support your local more specialized tool shop) or online (German Amazon is amazing for German tool brands), there's no problem. If you always buy your stuff from HD, it might become one.
Bosch makes over 11 times the yearly revenue of any other leading tool company. It's because they are not just a tool company. They could stop selling tools tomorrow and that will be just fine. Their tools are durable and dependable, don't be fooled just because they only carry a handful of outdated Bosch tools at Lowe's and home Depot pretty much is just the TTI store now.
I think a lot of it boils down to marketing here in the states. Bosch isn't going anywhere seeing how they sell so many other products besides cordless power tools.
I run Bosch 18 and 12 volt on residential job sites. Every guy on my crew loves the 12v drills. My 18v 8ah batteries are bar none the best batteries on the job.
* in the US * in specific retail stores / online shops I'd hardly call that "99% of tool buyers" Here in Germany, Bosch Professional is part of all DIY stores and has a good presence in pretty much all major online stores. And often times you'll find the green consumer line right next to it. Subjectively, I feel like it's *at least* one of the top 3 brands here. Also, much german tool content on youtube contains Bosch placements. As for myself, I'm a hobbyist and chose the Bosch 12v system, partially bought online and partially in shops. I can make the very same case about Milwaukee and DeWalt here. They exist, but they feel like quite nieche brands.
The Bosch cordless remind me a lot like makita and both probably have the highest quality. I had to rethink Bosch after watching a service guy repairing them and both are substantially better than Milwaukee
I live in Europe, and Bosch is very popular here. We also have a DIY line from Bosch, the green line and it’s available in every DIY shop. Great value for money. The blue line is also popular. I love the 12v blue line. It’s compact, very ergonomic and reliable. What’s not to like about it?
In Fontana ca Lowe’s and Home Depot Bosch tool display is dead I found 2 --18 volt cordless on sale display only Sad to see if Bosch is going to be like SEARS I know I can buy online but I like to feel the ergonomics of the tools before I buy one
From a Bosch fan with a large collection, you are correct. Bosch does not have a significant footprint in the retail stores. Not a big issue these days. It's all about marketing, and the kings are DeWalt and Milwaukee. Yes they have some quality tools, but is the quality at the Makita and Bosch level, I do not think so. DeWalt was resurrected from an abandoned radial arm saw brand and marketed beyond imagination in the late 90s which is what established them. Remember those disposable 18 volt Nicad batteries😁. Milwaukee was a great American brand historically that turned into a marketing machine shortly after TTI (China) purchased them. They have done great at creating some of the most powerful cordless tools and targeting trade specific design. Milwaukee lost me in the early 2000s with the intro of V18 Lithium Ion line as it was a fail followed by abandonment. Bosch is not the same type of player just like Makita, Festool, Hilti. These all have there nich market and will most likely continue.
As current long time user of Bosch Professional Power Tools for over 23 years, i concur with the gist of your video as It is all about the non existent marketing by Bosch in your Country USA. Here internationally, i got all their large line of lastest quality cordless tools. Bosch North America needs to follow suit of the colleagues in the UK & Germany, as they both got monthly livestreams on RUclips, showcasing their tools & answering our questions of up coming new tools, plus they do country wide tours by themselves every week of every month showcasing their tools, along with attending tool shows when they come around. So us Professionals are fully aware of their large cordless tool line. I asked Bosch North America if they would start to do such, they said that is a great idea, but haven't got any update to know if they started. Much respect for your work sir. Keep it up.
What's even better is Bosch is pushing for AmpShare platform in Europe which will add dozens of new cordless tools to their existing 18V platform. They realized it was easier to open up their battery platform rather than design brand new tools and compete with existing players like Fein. It would be great if they could implement that in North America
@@engineer_alvit is being implemented in the US. Fein, Wagner and Titan, among others are onboard. The initial focus in North American appears to be on industrial brands that offer specialty tools. But I could see this expanding out to other tools and applications in the future.
Bosch listened to the complaints over the years and have started an initiative where they effectively put a fire under the tool division’s ass. You’ll find this on an international level with the uncanny amount of new releases in recent years. Bosch NA (tools) has been a joke for most of this century. They’ve also gotten the memo and their customers no longer have to wait for ten years to get a product.
I'm a 27 year old carpenter in Australia and have had Bosch for over 10 years, i love them but i agree with your point about them focusing a lot on masonry tools. They make great tools for carpentry but are VERY slow to bring out new tools for woodworking and have a limited range (planer is 10 years old and they still dont have an 18v router/trimmer). They are also not as popular as makita, dewalt and Milwaukee over here.
Spot on with the corded tools. The Bosch routers and circ saws are some of the best made. The convenience of going to your local box store and picking up a red or yellow tool pretty much takes Bosch out of the equation for me in the cordless section.
Why not order online? You can't properly try tools at the store, and it's not like you're supporting your local tool store by shopping at a huge chain store like HD. The selection online is always better anyway.
I just purchased a Bosch orbital sander from Menards, and I absolutely love it. You're right unfortunately menards is about it when it comes to having a huge selection of cordless bosch tools, but if you're lucky enough to live by one, I highly recommend them. I'll be adding more bosch stuff in the future. You mentioned the saw. My dad just bought it and said it's the best he's used, super smooth.
We have Milwaukee, Makita and Metabo HPT in our business but the recent 18V tools are really quality and some of the best made in the business and we've actually been adding more tools on jobsite as of late
I think you can still get their corded jigsaw made in, I believe, switzerland or hungary maybe? Also their laser level / measuring tool. Those are considered top end aren't they?
A lot of their higher end cordless tools are all made Europe. My SDS is made in Germany, my Jigsaw in Switzerland, and the 12v planer and router are both made in Hungary. Most of their other stuff is made in Malaysia, and occasionally you'll find a Chinese made tool, but they manufactur very little in China compared to most other brands.
@@dcl97 correct, my 7 1/4" Profactor circ saw is also made in Hungary. So is my cordless Bulldog SDS Plus but I know the entry level circ saws and SDS Plus rotary hammers are now made in China. For the record my old cordless sawzall, brushless sander and brushless jigsaw are also made in China but still very good quality
I help lead charity housing rehab work a few times a year. Teams of volunteers bring personal tool bags with most brands represented. I got tired of getting tools and batteries mixed up so I bought in to the Bosch line. The tools are mostly excellent and nothing goes missing anymore because virtually no one has Bosch. Good for me, but seems not so good for the company's market share evidently.
The situation is similar in Canada. None of professional stores sell Bosch tools extensively. Only a few DIY friendly ones like RONA or Canadian Tire. And their selection is not realy diverse. Heck, even local professional tool store does not have cordless Bosch at all!
Bosch is what I settled on after using both Dewalt and Milwaukee early on in my career. I get $#! + for using pack out boxes for storage but they're a big improvement over my Bosch Lboxx system.
I think Bosch is becoming relevant again because their price. They're offering similar performance and longevity as the other brands for around 20% less in many cases.
I love my Bosch 18v tools, but I bought each of them at Lowe’s unicorn clearance prices. Portable band saw, 1-1/8 in rotary sds-plus drill, matching dust extractor, drywall cutout tool, vacuum, extra batteries, most with additional BOGO battery deals. Can’t be sustainable for Bosch or Lowe’s.
My next cat will be called Makita, now. The local Do It Best used to be a solid place to buy Makita. Kinda went to the wayside when Milwaukee came in strong with their hand tools and the like.
My 10 yr old lithium 1/4" impact driver is still going strong. I even have a tiny 1/4" Skil-by-Bosch cordless ratchet I hacked new batteries into a few years ago that is the handiest tight-space power tool ever.
I love my 12v Bosch . I have the 1/4 “ Impact/driver set , bought in 2010 for 129.00 . I have Milwaukee,Dewalt but I grab the Bosch 9 out of 10 times. The 12v hits my hands and I’m retired so I don’t use them quite as hard as when I was a commercial electrician. I will buy every set I see on sale, I have 4 drills &4impacts. For 18/20 v I am married to Dewalt but am cheating on them with Hercules in the camper because they have gone nuts with the whole battery thing. I just need a friggen battery . At a decent price and decent quality. ‘Not something that is so expensive that it grows legs the second you put it down. I will NEVER pay $200 for a battery unless it’s going in me truck or camper.
I saw an SDS Max Bosch Hitman normally $529 that I found a crazy deal for $139 at Lowes which I picked up. Non SDS hammer drill purchases have been underpowered by a large margin.
Honestly, I feel like you are very on point with this thought/feedback. I agree with your main premise. I own several 12v Bosch tools and I LOVE their 12v line, it is perfect for a DIY'er. However, the alternatives from DeWalt, Ryobi, Hercules, Bauer.... I feel like other brands are eating Bosch's lunch. Lowes seems to be getting rid of all of their 18v and 12v stuff, on clearance even as of 5July2024.
I actually got a free Freak and I did the break up thing and got a cordless grinder too... my batteries crapped out stone cold with no warning all at once... kind of why I'm hesitant to explore any further.
They provide a 3-year warranty after registering them, including the batteries. Maybe you had a bad batch. It happens with every brand (since they all buy the battery cells from the same 3 or 4 suppliers). I'd try to warranty them. Here in Europe, their customer service has so far been excellent.
Bosch rules in Europe and in Asia (with Makita). In the US is ok if they are on 5th or something like that. Because you guys have other big local brands, that a national american is inclined to buy. It's totally fine, you need to help the local economy. And that's why Bosch is not investing in the local market like in Europe. Where the competition is crushed easily. Globally, they are a mamut and will never be Irrelevant
I've always thought of Bosch as a premium grade tool on the same level as Milwaukee's top of the line offerings. And their corded tools border on being industrial grade, in that they'll likely keep going a lot longer than you'll be able to stay awake and pull the trigger. That said, I'm surprised that they would make a store like Lowes their home base in the United States, because they're way more tool than the casual DIY homeowner is likely to either need or want.
The Bosch freak has a spot , for roll groove piping uses, the square head don’t snap the adapters do also for roll groove a light impact is good nit to much torque, also for tapcons
It almost seems that the largest European brand with the most diverse portfolio of products produced really can't be bothered with marketing. I have brought this up with the sales rep...makes his job a bit tough too.
@Starcrunch72 Sounds a lot like Hewlett-Packard back in the 20th century. The absolute best computing and measurement systems, but virtually no ability to understand how to market them. They ended up selling off the instrument division, then let a series of incompetent CEOs run them down to irrelevance.
it's like VW, the 2nd largest automaker in the world with a big portfolio of products but they just can't crack the US market. And honestly they don't need to. Cordless tool buyers are as loyal as pickup truck buyers and they'll mostly get Chevy Ford (or Ram) because America. But if what's left from the market still makes for a business case then it makes sense for Bosch to keep offering tools here
The first Lithium ion cordless in Lowes was a 10.8v compact t pistol with d cell battery. No one else beat their torque specs for many years. They have faded away in the last decade.
Only in the USA in the UK and Europe they are arguably the number 1 selling brand and Milwaukee and such are considered junk. Mostly due to lack of repairability. @@jerrywhitfill2236
Almost every time my Bulldog gets lent out, the borrower winds up wanting to buy one of his own. I probably cause enough sales to merit a commission. (You'd think I'd get a complimentary tool now and then, but Noooo! Not even a call, or a greeting card!) Bosch tools don't have that cheezy DIY 'stealth fighter' look to them. Nothing suggests high tech, or bragging rights. But when you get their tools into the 'sandbox', they sell themselves, like Hilti. Maybe they prefer the industrial / commercial reputation over any amateur appeal.
I think Bosch is suffering in the U.S. because Home Depot isn't big on their cordless tool for some strange reason. I went shopping recently for a new mid-power drill/driver and settled on the Bosch GSR18V-800CB24 ($229). This is a great tool just like the Brushless 12v Flexiclick GSR12V-300FCB22. Superb!
I got Bosch when I was living in South East Asia, where Bosch Blue is a common pro brand (many of their tools are manufactured in Malaysia). Now I am in Australia, I should switch to Makita, but there are too many nasty tools in their line. Makita offers decidedly consumer grade and pro grade tools all dressed up in the same plastic, especially in the drill/driver and saw lines. It is too much of a headache figuring out if a tool is a good deal or not.
Every brand has 3 or 4 levels of drills and impact drivers. They'll usually have a brushed set, a brushless, and a premium, then sometimes they'll have a compact or quick-change
I feel like it’s mostly the Bosch green line that killed off Bosch as a professional tool. whenever I speak to anyone about Bosch tools, the stigma of being cheap one use garbage is always brought up. I often have to correct people and explain the difference, think it’s mostly the stigma of having the name planted on the garbage green line that turns people away. Personally absolutely love Bosch (blue) tools although I ended up buying dewalt, but Bosch was was a very close second for me.
About 4+ yrs ago my barn manager asked me to do work on the property. I'd take my paycheck and start getting tools. I went with Ryobi cordless 1, because the nearness to an electrical outlet was prohibitive and I'd need lots of extension cords. 2, because their battery platform ran all of their product lines including the old stuff. As I ran into a situation where I needed a different tool I'd get it. I had the little chop saw, but ran into a huge problem when it took 3 cuts to cut a 4x4. I saw at Home Depot a Ryobi Cordless radial arm saw 36v and got it. It fit the need perfectly and I built my wife's horse's stall a lot faster.
ive worked in both construction and industrial environment for the past 7 years, ive worked with plumbers, carpenters, concrete guys and metal fabricators etc.... I very seldom see people use bosch, and as electricians, most of us are using milwaukee as our personal set, and our company provides the big boy red hilti, the two red brands just caters towards our trade, the last time I can remember ive seen someone use a bosch was a cabinet installer, using a bosch table saw with a laser on it and a full set of bosch battery tools, that was maybe 2 years ago. I can confirm at least in vancouver canada, bosch needs more love.
It's true, Bosch cordless tools are hard to find in stock. Every Bosch tool I have, is still working just fine. I also own Dewalt 20 and 60 volt tools. I still have some older 18 volt, 12 volt and even a 7.2 volt screwdriver. All are working just fine. I had 0ne dewalt 18 volt battery go bad. Then there is my dust collecting Milwaukee tools. I had to replace the batteries all the time. Never had a Milwaukee battery last two years. The final straw for Milwaukee, I had a set of hole saws that were oval not round. The one thing the Milwaukee made best were the axe and torch recip. blades.
Bosch has big inroads in the Automotive field with other product ranges such as alternators, relays and starter motors - you would think that they could ride in on their reputation with an excellent well designed 1/2" & 3/4" drive impact wrench. The Bosch 7" disc grinder was very popular in Australia when I was on the workshop floor.
I do commercial maintenance. I get up in the morning and get a few emails, spend my day on the road. I no longer have any corded tools in my truck. When I buy a tool it's because I need it right then. For convenience sake I use 2 brands, and mostly buy from Home Depot, so yes Yellow and Orange. I've never considered Bosch because as you point out, there's just not enough available on the shelf.
I switched from Bosch 18v to Dewalt after working a job with a dewalt guy and a milwaukee guy, we were all driving screws with impact druvers and they were so much faster. To be fair, they were both brushless and i was brushed. Gave all my 18v stuff to my son and re tooled. Still have Bosch table saw, 12” miter, corded recip saw and colt router, all corded.
My first Bosch tool in 30 years was the 12" sliding miter saw I got at Lowes 6 months ago for $325. So far I'm vary happy with it and even got the matched stand paid full price for. My work van is Yellow everywhere you look and has been 25 plus years mainly because as the manufacturers know it is very hard to change platforms once your thousands in.
I don't own any Bosch tools, but one of the most memorable moments in my life was when my buddy Steve and I went to a tool and woodworking show at the Convention Center in Portland 30 years ago. There was a gentleman demoing a Bosch jigsaw. He had a piece of 3/4" plywood into which he was making plunge cuts. He held the saw in one hand, about 16 inches above the plywood, pulled the trigger on the saw, and SLAMMED the blade through the plywood, and proceeded to make his cut. He did this demo again and again. He didn't bend a single blade. Steve and I looked at each other, with our jaws dropped. I haven't had the need for jig saw for 30 years, but if the need arose, the first one I'd remember would be that Bosch, 30 years ago.
I think the biggest problem with Bosch tools is I have always seen them in industrial applications.. I have looked at Bosch cordless stuff but their wasn't much around.. In Canada Canadian Tire had them but they just were not selling that much... Most people I know think they are just another cheap tool because they didn't see any contractors using them... They are just not out there in the contractors hands and most home owners want what the contractors are using
So Bosch is mostly competing with Hilti? There is tremendous competition in cordless tools. The key is getting customers locked into a batter platform. I bought (a few years ago) a reconditioned Bulldog to rip up old tile floors. Even though I don't do it often, it was the same cost as renting an equivalent tool three times, and I get to keep the tool.
The weird thing is that Bosch make many of the Hilti tool parts, as well as the angle grinders outright. They are a massive industrial manufacturer/OEM.
I don't run Bosch personally but they are doing just fine and make exceptional tools. Milwaukee and DeWalt are not the only two power tool companies. Bosch and Makita both excel in ergonomics, build quality and repair ability
Became a Bosch fan as a welder/fabricator as their 4 inch grinders last much longer than Dewalt or Makita. So I gravitated toward them for other tools like a laser level and my new favorite toy, the 11321 EVS SDS MAX demo hammer. I don't ONLY like Bosch though. I like Milwaukee porta bands and nailers. Makita makes a decent cheap chop saw and I have a Dewalt sawzall. No single tool brand rules all tool brands. Some give more of a shit about some things than others.
Here is the thing. If the home depots in the world want to stay in business, they need to carry things that Amazon has. People are going to figure out the superiority of Bosch tools. I've been on the DeWALT and Milwaukee battery platforms for years (and still am), and now I am on Bosch. It's almost like getting a Festool without the Systainer and endless money pit.
I would usually agree with you, but the American public seem very limited in its view, with them usually dividing into two camps, almost by default. That can be Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. Android, HD vs. Lowes, Democrat vs. Republican, or Milwaukee vs. DeWalt. They usually don't look outside of those two known options, regardless of the merits of other options. This doesn't hold for all Americans, mind you, but it is a trend that can be widely seen.
Bosch is as irrelevant in the US as Milwaukee and Dewalt are irrelevant in europe. Don't worry they're fine. ✌
I'm starting to think he's doing some of these controversial videos just for views
He said the company is doing just fine and isn't going anywhere. He also pointed out that he's talking about the US market
Both Milwaukee and dewalt does well in europe. Mikwaukee is the biggest brand in Norway right now. Their marketing is very good and aggressive. Dewalt also does well. Most European brands are quite poor at marketing
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647, most European brands are well-known to professionals and less to DIYiers.
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647Norway? NORWAY? 😂
Might as well say Milwaukee is #1 in Sahara desert. Norway is as economically relevant to the rest of Europe as Sahara is to South Africa. 😂
American brands focus on wooden construction hint hint. Not many places in Europe give a damn how fast you can put a screw into wood or cut 2x4.
American tools are like American cars, or anything else other than weapons or tech. Try using Milwaukee or dewalt on brick and mortar constructions and see how they do. I hate every dewalt tool my company forces me to use. Unrefined peace of garbage.
There’s also something to be said about American attitudes. Bosch focuses on good engineering and ergonomics. Their tools are lighter and more efficient than domestically-designed tool companies. As a Bosch user, I get shit from folks who lug around their heavy, loud American tools. I think insecure men feel they need that as a prop, like big trucks.
your not wrong, my tools are makita and bosch, and all though bosch isnt common here there is lots of little things i like about them. its a 50/50 split for me between bosch and makita but every tools company makes really good tools and the odd bad one. i like having the best and ive never had that great of luck with milwaukee and dewalt, dewalt is the only brand ive had things almost catch fire and milwaukee has never interested me and its super expensive
i have Maktia, Bosch, Ryobi, Some Milwauke and Metabo tools. I have settled on Bosch and Ryobi. Bosch for heavy duty tools and Ryobi for tools that i wont use that often anyways and dont see the point of paying profesional prices.
I’m knee deep in Milwaukee but got a Bosch cordless sander because it looks like the new Milwaukee RO sander (unreleased yet) is just a reverse engineered Bosch.
I love the sander. Definitely feels like they design more for ergonomics and refinement than brute power.
Prediction is less about insecurity and more about conditioning. Don’t be this confident in ignorance. Just because someone likes something big and loud doesn’t mean they’re insecure. They were probably just raised in that culture.
My entire US shop is Bosch, corded, 12v and 18v. Zero issues. Bosch doesn't have a visible presence at retail stores like Home Depot, thus isn't held up on a pedestal from an optics standpoint to the average consumer. As someone who doesn't buy tools based on what's on the retail shelf, I chose Bosch.
Well said that's my reason why I choose Bosch in a nut shell I don't follow the crowd it works for me not following the next fool with the trading tools
I'd dont get the value of Bosh
Something that lasts: Makita
Something the most powerful: Milwaulkee
Something that'd a great value: DeWalt
Something that comes to my shop Snap-on
I just don't see why I'd buy it
@@precesionnoreaster1507 it's got longevity in value but if you don't get it you don't get it it's just what it is
@@precesionnoreaster1507 Bosch will last much longer than Milwaukee guaranteed as well as Default and the teal disaster.
@@precesionnoreaster1507Mikita doesn’t last any longer then dewalt which says a lot.
Dewalt is a great value if you don’t value your hands, bones and ears etc.
Milwaukee could easily make better and smaller version of their mechanics focused tool as corded but then they won’t get to exploit people with batteries which companies now use like they did with INK for the printers.
Then they way overcharge to make sure you will feel stupid if you ever think of leaving a negative review. 😂
If you worked with brick and mortar construction, you would never have a reason to switch from Bosh. Europe is made of brick and mortar, not sticks and glue. 😂
I’m from Australia, carpenters mostly have makita here but i own around 10k worth of cordless Bosch and it is fantastic. 6 year tool and battery warranty and whenever the boys use my tools they make comments how nice they are.
Six years!? Here in the states it’s 3 years with registration that I’ve seen.
Same, my coworkers always touch my Bosch tools and ask about them.
I’ve owned Bosch tools by choice for over 20 years. They are exceptionally tough. It’s too bad they dont more to put themselves out there. Plus you can’t beat Bosch Blue
I think Jeff is right with Bosch being interested in large companies rather than individuals. I'm in europe and they are quite prevalent here and while I would not spring out for bosch for my homeshop, I do have a few of their 12v drills, they are cheap, work great (great trigger, reasonable power for such a small tool) and I wouldnt touch their cordless green tools (they are midway between cheap and pro tools price wise and just look kind of weird. On the other hand, their green corded line is great - qualitywise its pretty close to more expensive brands, but the price is quite low, so for tools I prefer corded (router, sander) they are probably the best, although quite unknown option.
I purchased a bosch 18v sander, and a drill for some home reno work last year. I picked them up mostly because I can go onto their website, and look at schematics and buy repair parts.
Bosch doesn’t need to shill to influencers to get their products like other brands do. Bosch tools speak for themselves. People who use them love it and stick with it
You’re totally right they don’t need to show off how good the tools are, but it would help if maybe they actually had them in stores 🤣
Bosch has been introducing new tools every other week now for the past few months. Bosch is far from dead. Their testing on TTC proves they're stepping up their game.
since biturbo and procore they are easily one of the most powerful 18v tools out there now, its been out for years but it seems like the americans have only just got them
When I retired my DeWalt cordless tools I went with Bosch don't have to worry about my batteries walking and I like the ergonomics better than the DeWalt.
That is the upside of my bosch tools everyone else on site has milwaukee or metabo and my batteries are safe 😂
At my local Lowe's,
the Bosch section has been neglected and covered in dust for years.
They could care less about it.
Yep. Especially now that Lowes is pushing Kobalt and Flex and Craftsman as their house brands then deWalt as the "pro" brand. Everything else is in the dust covered aisle..
@kmbbmj5857 Yes, Bosch has been dust covered they're for 4-5 years.
Bosch, Metabo HPT and Skil aisles look the saddest in my nearest Lowe's However they have always committed to my store pickup orders and their BOGO deals are second to none. That (and their reliability) is what keeps me in the blue camp.
Still Amazing tools. Unless you're the red crowd that sucks Milwaukee nuts because they taste the best.
I just put a pair of Bosch windshield wipers on my truck.
Bosch icon the best.
I've made those for years. 😀
The only wipers I buy
Ive been moving away from ridgid and over to bosch for my new tools. You can usually get a battery free with bosch tool at lowes. I now have more bosch batteries than i ever did with ridgid.
Why ridgid new brushless line is fire
@@WHATDATTOOLDOfr, im genuinely jealous ridgid powertools arent available outside the us. We get the crappier aeg(same brand) tools and not the full line up.
If you have a carpenter show up at your house with any big box over stocked tool…expect real quality outcomes😂😂😂😂 festool and Bosch are for the guys who really know what they’re doing 👍
I’ve had no issues with my 18v stuff, aside from my first slim packs finally hitting the end of their lives after 15 years. As someone that occasionally works on random house renovations, I quite like that my tools are less likely to walk away since everyone uses yellow or red. Also easier to figure out who’s tools are whose when you have roommates that also have power tools. I hunt around and find the best deal, usually not any more expensive than the other brands. Honestly, seems a bit pointless to make a video saying a brand is irrelevant when it’s not a quality issue.
everything your talking about is irrelevant stfu 😂
So no one would care. Especially not me, since I have numerous tools and batteries and would have to invest in a totally new system. But I’m sure I’m the only person alive that can say that. And good thing Bosch only makes a few tools, nothing else; I’m sure NO ONE would care if they just stopped doing business.
@@gk7588😂 You sum up the IQ of average American tool user. Can you even point on the map where “the rest of the world’s 9 billion people” live?
Do you see past your stick and glue made homes? Can you see those brick and mortar made buildings and constructions all around the world?
Yea…that’s who would care. It’s the building that get wiped out by a strong wind that no one cares about. You know the ones that same people build using American tools 😂.
You got to be a tool in order to say that #2 tool maker in the world is irrelevant just because they don’t try to give you a tool that compensates for lack of a tool on your part😂. Why else would any real man care what social media has to say? 🤦
It's literally a video about the brand and not the tools
I used to buy Bosch wipers as the best available for my vehicle... and I stopped buying them when they stopped selling replacement wiper refills and you had to buy the entire wiper and arm assembly (which is now how they all are).
I hate the "throw away culture" we have now, especially when it's completely unnecessary like in this case.
Then again there is Bosh Power Share. Bosch Batterys are used in many other maschines from other companys from garden tools to packaging hand machines from companys like Cyclops
That's a big deal in Europe. But I don't think it will caught up in North America. Maybe only for Fein's OMT but that's about it (hope I'm wrong)
@engineer_alv Wagner and Titan are on the platform now too. I think you may see some other speciality tool brands switch to Bosch batteries in the future. Instead of investing their own dollars into their own proprietary battery platforms. They can take those dollars and invest it in their tools.
@@joelrodriguez9661 good to know
thta's true i have fein amm 700 amp share and it's great that i don't need new batteries, it's also nice that bosch works with sortimo which is quite big in europe, and together they make L-boxx and other transport and storage systems.
When I worked for a mill shop back in the late 90's Bosch was thought of as the high end German made tool. Our tool of choice at the time was Porter-Cable for routers, sanders, saws.
You should try the Bosch quick release multi-tool. It is miles ahead of any other quick release for multi-tools (including DeWalt). It is easier to operate than the DeWalt quick release and you can use any StarLock blade. Try it next time you are at a Lowe's, it is amazing.
Speaking of blades, this might be a bit off topic, but Bosch makes great blades and bits. And yes, I am including the Diablo stuff because Bosch owns Diablo. To my eye there isn't a difference between Diablo and Bosch (might be wrong).
As far as the deals, I found buy a tool, get a two pack of 4 ah batteries or a battery and charger free. There also happened to be sales at that time on those tools. So I picked up like 5 tools in the $53-100ish range and got a ton of batteries. Also have seen decent buy more save more deals. But that can be a way of buying things that you don't need. All of this was at Lowe's within the last year. I think the deals are a little more hidden because quite frankly not a lot of people care.
Which brings me to availability. In my opinion, availability is most important in battery powered tools and is most important when getting someone in a battery line or choosing between two options in one battery line. People that aren't Tool reviewers rarely have more than two battery lines and most only have one. Therefore, few people are shopping between brands for their next cordless tool. It is as simple as choosing the one that is your favorite tool color/the one you have batteries for. You also can't actually use the tool in stores. You can figure out more within 5 minutes of putting a battery in a tool than you will ever be able to in a store.
At the end of the day I think Bosch has a marketing problem in the US. They probably need to be in Home Depot to have people interested in them. The tools I have tried are smooth and powerful. Can't speak for the freak, but honestly an impact driver is NOT an impact wrench. Carpenters want to drive a screw as fast as possible and Mechanics just want to get that stupid rusty bolt off. Trying to do both will result in a tool that is meh at best on both fronts. And will likely fail when used as a true impact Wrench. Don't judge a tool brand by its worst idea.
only problem is you can only use a slim to get it flush on the ground and the starlock makita is miles faster in performance. they do have a new one but the oscilation angle is still on the low side which comes with pros and cons
I’m wondering if Americans are aware that Bosch is one of the biggest producers of kitchen and household gadgets like blenders, mixers, washing and drying machines, stoves and stovetops etc. It’s not about marketing but rather USA doesn’t need Bosch products in USA due to strong competition from American brands. In the same fashion USA needs Korean brands in segment of washing machines but doesn’t care about say Samsung phones because iPhone is better suited for Americans.
The problem with the tool market in the US is that stuff is sold based on just power. How fast it can do something. If the tool almost burns its own motor doing so isn't relevant it seems. Refinement, ergonomics, longevity, repairability are all things that are inferior to just power. If all consumers look at is power figures. Who drivers the screw the fastest, then the brands that succeed are the ones who loudly focus on just that, which are the Milwaukee's of the world, and not Bosch. Presence in a shop isn't going to solve that.
On top of that is market presecne, everybody has X so everybody wants X is a real thing.
I own a lot of Bosch corded/cordless tools dating back 20 years and really like them. Haven't really had any problems with them. The problem I have with Bosch is their resistance or disinterest in coming out with different tools. They make great drill/drivers, but how many different models of the same thing do you need? One tool I wish they would come out with is a cordless ratchet. I hate that I had to buy a Milwaukee (which is great too), when I have many Bosch batteries already.
They have been coming with new tools or updates to existing tools for a few years now, but I remember following one of the Live Streams from Bosch UK and a few commenters asked for a cordless ratchet. From what i recall it wasn't in the cards several months ago.
I have just a couple Bosch 12V tools, they work great, but I'm not planning on buying any more because they don't currently have anything I need. I would definitely be interested in a 12V ratchet, as well as straight and right angle 12V die grinders with 1/4" chucks. Milwaukee has an extensive line of 12V tools, but they didn't start really pushing those out until after I bought into the Bosch 12V line. Now I wish I would have waited.
@@rudyschwab7709 there's a new right die grinder with 1/4" collet. Model number is GWG12V-20SN.
@@rudyschwab7709I believe they are launching a 12V right angle die grinder in the next month or so.
You are absolutely right. Same thing bothered me aswell. But in recent developments they've introduced "ampshare" in which they share the battery technology with other European tool manufacturers. This opens up a whole new line of products they might suit your needs. For instance: "Fein" joined ampshare. Speaking from experience, Fein makes THE finest tools for metal-working. Fein is for metal what Festool is for wood. I love this development.
I use mostly Bosch professional tools, corded, 12v and 18v. Both at work and at home. Most are high quality and good performers to acceptable prices. The new 18v Biturbo tools that I have used performed very well, such as the reciprocating saw and SDS max GBH 18V-45 C concrete hammer drill. Today they have a relatively wide product line with tools for wood, steel and concrete. And many of the weaker tools (in performance) have been replaced with better versions now. I think the main problem is the marketing effort in North America.
Last year I purchased a Bosch corded circular saw. I dropped it multiple times and that thing still wirks great. What turns me off to their cordless tools is that when I was a teenager somebody gave me one and it worked for like 5 days before it completely fried itself in a pretty spectacular fashion.
My local Tractor Supply carries a good number of Bosch power tools. Cordless, cord, bits, and other accessories.
I bought a 12 volt Bosch Impact/drill driver set almost 10 years ago now. Phenomenal tools! One of the best tool purchases I've ever made and I still use them for most things around my house instead of my 18v impact or drill. Incredible form factor and great battery performance. In fact, I'm still using the same 2 original 2 ah batteries that came with the set and they have held up fantastically. I have accumulated several other 12 volt tools from Bosch As a result of the great performance of the original set. I even managed to find a Bosch branded rotary tool that's not sold in the US. It came inside It came in South Korean package but Other than that It is perfect. Fun fact, Bosch Dremel. Fun fact, Bosch . Fun fact, Bosch owns Bosch Dremel so all the Dremel accessories work just fine
The only 18v Bosch I own is the orbital sander, and it is hands down the smoothest I’ve ever used. My Flex one is definitely more powerful and better for removing material, but the Bosch is buttery smooth.
I don't know what tha' hell was this. It seemed like you were grasping at straws, while trying not to go overboard and everyone calling you on it. So, Bosch marketing from two years ago is the problem is somehow a negative doom-n-gloom indicator - when in fact it worked, given that I didn't know anything about them, but because of their free battery deals, now I am into ALL their 18 and 12V? Or that "Lowe's is not for pros! Well, except for Flex...and Toughbuilt...and Cobalt....oh, yeah, and Bosch..."? Or they don't have a large 18v line...like, you know, Ridgid, and Flex, and Cobalt, and Craftsman, and.........EVERYONE else, but for Makita, Milwaukee and Ryobi? Who tha' hell out there has a bigger line? Hilti doesn't. Neither does Festool.
Yes, they are primarily sold on line, but...THEY ALWAYS WERE! How exactly does that make them "irrelevant" NOW, more than before?
Dude, sorry, but that sucked. I wouldn't mind if you had a good argument, maybe I missed something I should know, but the way you presented it? The examples you gave were at best uninformed, and at worse dishonest. Ok, Freak is not the most powerful out there, but not everyone needs a wrist-busting impact, but YES, the 1/2 socket adapter is the BEST idea out there on impacts. I have the first, and weakest generation of the Freak, but I also have the latest, third generation, and guess which one I use 95% of the time...Oh, and you showed it with their not-most powerful drill/driver. And then, "not recommending their 18V line"? Really?!? They were the first to use the new 2170 batteries, and not only that, right away they came up with the "pro core" concept, the separating of each stuck working separately, from four years ago, when Milwauke...JUST DID IT THIS YEAR! And they are the smallest factor batteries! They have the best orbital sander line with FOUR different kind of sanders, the best X-Lock system (the ones who came up with it!), the most powerful 6in angle grinder, the most powerful drill/hammer, the most powerful reciprocating saw, the only circular saw and track saw that works on their own proprietary track AND the festool-style tracks, the absolutely-no-freaking-argument best portable 18v HEPA vacuum, and on, and on....
So, yeah, what tha' hell are you talking about?!?
Edit: Not a "woodworker tool", but also there is the impact wrenches, both the mid and high impact, the only ones that bested the Milwaukees
moreover the 18V Bosch lineup just got bigger with the Ampshare battery alliance. Hope to see some of those tools coming to North America
In my home shop, I have a Bosch 12" sliding miter saw, jigsaw, router, and cordless drills. No complaints, and would buy them again.
I have been using the Bosch 3 plane laser level for 5 years and it is fantastic
My friend and I got drill sets at the same time, I got Bosch, he got makita and were similar specs. He is onto his third drill, my original Bosch is still going hard and that’s after leaving it out overnight in the rain twice in 7 years
Love their 12volt small impact and drill set, we all use them at work.
Hypertough 12 volt tools outperformed them...
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Source? Bosch doesn't just have one 12V drill or impact. I have the GSR-12V-35FC and it's right up there with the strongest 12V drills. When it comes to build quality, battery-system, service and accessories it's a no-brainer compared to something like Hypertough. Of course at a much higher price but these are professional-grade tools.
@iSkyline1 m 12 smoke bosch at a similer price point then you have cheep 12 volt tools like hypertough that are comparable... it is what it is maketa is suffering from the same problems no to low innovation and brands like dewalt ,milwaukee,ridgid and flex outperforming them by alot and makita and bosch are still expensive..
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Again, source? I have seen many comparisons between Bosch and Milwaukee and the differences in torque or whatever else are irrelevant in actual use. The Bosch 12V-drill is used in Formula 1 for assembly, good enough for me. For tyre changes in the garage many racing teams actually use a Milwaukee impact, so both brands make solid tools for professionals.
@@WHATDATTOOLDO This is part of the problem: people valuing peek performance above all else.
12V tools are made to be powerful enough, while being compact, light, and ergonomic. If a GSR 12V-35 drill isn't powerful enough for your application, that's not something you should be using 12V tools for. I use my big DeWalt drill probably twice a year, when I need something like a huge hole saw. Use the right tool for the job. Bosch make a GSR 18V-150 drill that'll break your wrist if you deactivate Kickback Control, and unlike the Milwaukee, won't overheat.
I was gifted Bosch by my father and expanded from there. I have multiple 12v and 18v tools that I've had for several years and they've been great. My company uses Milwaukee and Dewalt and they're ok but I see no need to change what I have for home. Union Carpenter
If I have to put my 2 cents worth in. The bosch 18V cordless BRUSHLESS Blue line is fantastic. Zero issues.
Bosch lives up to their motto “Built for a lifetime” and I imagine even longer. 20 years ago I bought a corded barrel grip jigsaw it’s done everything thrown at it, even reconditioned it myself cleaning all the parts. 17 years ago I bought my first cordless Bosch drill, it still work perfectly and the 1.5ah batteries still hold a full charge. My workshop has both Bosch 12V and 18V platforms, some specialty tools I’ve even bought and had shipped from Europe that are unavailable in the USA. When Bosch was much better represented at Lowes I knew the East Coast Rep and would push him to get more tools Stateside. The US makes up maybe 14% of their Worldwide market on tools, so obviously they don’t get as much recognition. Some of Bosch’s tools can compete with Festool at half the cost, the ProCore batteries are the best on the market. Sure I own Milwaukee they have one of the biggest platforms, and I own Ridgid. Bosch invented the Jigsaw, they improved grinders greatly. When they owned Skil they utilized their engineering on the first Wormdrive tablesaw, before selling it to the Asian company that helped them develop the Core batteries. They also have the great customer service with Provantage, and in one case they even fixed my tool without charging me.
The entire Bosch 12v line and especially the 18v profactor drill and impacts are absolutely class leading. I own a sawmill and manufacturer custom big timber trusses. We like Bosch the best and have virtually all brands.
Bosch isn't going anywhere.
I believe you in the USA are convinced that the Earth spins around Milwaukee, but in Europe Bosch rules, side by side with Makita.i Milwaukee and even DeWalt was pretty much unknown only 5 years ago
Honestly the freak is a beast change the tire on the van then do a subfloor replacement. As a floor guy I run Bosch because my batteries won’t walk away and their tools have a reputation of abuse me please. Haven’t let me down yet bosch is a pro brand . Just overlooked
It's Bosch all the way for me. They are really good tools and tough. I don't choose my brand on the basis of who stocks them, I choose them for performance
Man I skip HD and go straight to Lowes. HD does not carry anything these days.
Skip Blowes and go straight to HD. Nobody has time for Blowes crap. Half of the time it's already broke because some homeowner already bought it, broke it, and returned without mentioning its broke.
Maybe in your store. HD here in central Texas is always stocked full of tools.
@@jeremynelson8496oh yeah because that never happens at the depot?😂
@@jeremynelson8496 It's funny how almost everything in the US turns into a two-camp fight. Democrat vs. Republican, Ford vs. Chevy, Pepsi vs. Coke, Milwaukee vs. DeWalt, iPhone vs. Android, HD vs. Lowes. I wonder why Americans are so receptive to this divisive marketing strategy.
This video is further proof if needed that America is not the center of the universe.
Lies!
Next do a video about the irrelevance of Festool because it is not sold in home depot
So...they make quality tools and they're the second largest tool manufacturer in the world. I don't understand how this makes Bosch irrelevant. I've always been pretty satisfied with the Bosch tools that I've bought.
It's the American marketing team (which sucks), and huge American retailers (HD and Lowe's) not marketing them to the American public. If you don't care about marketing and order your tools from someplace else, either brick and mortar (support your local more specialized tool shop) or online (German Amazon is amazing for German tool brands), there's no problem. If you always buy your stuff from HD, it might become one.
I really like my 12 V Bosch drill. It’s my go to drill for inside the house.
Bosch makes over 11 times the yearly revenue of any other leading tool company. It's because they are not just a tool company. They could stop selling tools tomorrow and that will be just fine.
Their tools are durable and dependable, don't be fooled just because they only carry a handful of outdated Bosch tools at Lowe's and home Depot pretty much is just the TTI store now.
I don't think Bosch really cares what everyone else is doing. They just want to make good quality reliable tools.
I think a lot of it boils down to marketing here in the states. Bosch isn't going anywhere seeing how they sell so many other products besides cordless power tools.
I run Bosch 18 and 12 volt on residential job sites. Every guy on my crew loves the 12v drills.
My 18v 8ah batteries are bar none the best batteries on the job.
* in the US
* in specific retail stores / online shops
I'd hardly call that "99% of tool buyers"
Here in Germany, Bosch Professional is part of all DIY stores and has a good presence in pretty much all major online stores. And often times you'll find the green consumer line right next to it. Subjectively, I feel like it's *at least* one of the top 3 brands here. Also, much german tool content on youtube contains Bosch placements. As for myself, I'm a hobbyist and chose the Bosch 12v system, partially bought online and partially in shops.
I can make the very same case about Milwaukee and DeWalt here. They exist, but they feel like quite nieche brands.
The Bosch cordless remind me a lot like makita and both probably have the highest quality. I had to rethink Bosch after watching a service guy repairing them and both are substantially better than Milwaukee
I live in Europe, and Bosch is very popular here. We also have a DIY line from Bosch, the green line and it’s available in every DIY shop. Great value for money. The blue line is also popular. I love the 12v blue line. It’s compact, very ergonomic and reliable. What’s not to like about it?
In Fontana ca Lowe’s and Home Depot Bosch tool display is dead
I found 2 --18 volt cordless on sale display only
Sad to see if Bosch is going to be like SEARS
I know I can buy online but I like to feel the ergonomics of the tools before I buy one
I have been a Bosch construction guy for just shy of 15 years.
Their Freak 1800 has only met one lug nut it couldn't break.
We have a huge number of Bosch tools where I work. I can believe the daily abuse and they don’t die. Repair areas are mostly yellow and red though.
From a Bosch fan with a large collection, you are correct. Bosch does not have a significant footprint in the retail stores. Not a big issue these days. It's all about marketing, and the kings are DeWalt and Milwaukee. Yes they have some quality tools, but is the quality at the Makita and Bosch level, I do not think so. DeWalt was resurrected from an abandoned radial arm saw brand and marketed beyond imagination in the late 90s which is what established them. Remember those disposable 18 volt Nicad batteries😁. Milwaukee was a great American brand historically that turned into a marketing machine shortly after TTI (China) purchased them. They have done great at creating some of the most powerful cordless tools and targeting trade specific design. Milwaukee lost me in the early 2000s with the intro of V18 Lithium Ion line as it was a fail followed by abandonment. Bosch is not the same type of player just like Makita, Festool, Hilti. These all have there nich market and will most likely continue.
As current long time user of Bosch Professional Power Tools for over 23 years, i concur with the gist of your video as It is all about the non existent marketing by Bosch in your Country USA. Here internationally, i got all their large line of lastest quality cordless tools. Bosch North America needs to follow suit of the colleagues in the UK & Germany, as they both got monthly livestreams on RUclips, showcasing their tools & answering our questions of up coming new tools, plus they do country wide tours by themselves every week of every month showcasing their tools, along with attending tool shows when they come around. So us Professionals are fully aware of their large cordless tool line. I asked Bosch North America if they would start to do such, they said that is a great idea, but haven't got any update to know if they started. Much respect for your work sir. Keep it up.
What's even better is Bosch is pushing for AmpShare platform in Europe which will add dozens of new cordless tools to their existing 18V platform. They realized it was easier to open up their battery platform rather than design brand new tools and compete with existing players like Fein. It would be great if they could implement that in North America
@@engineer_alvBosch has Ampshare in America. Launched Last year & already got 15 out of the already 30something Ampshare brands That exists in Europe.
@@engineer_alvBosch Launched Amsphare in North America last year and 18 companies already partnered with Bosch.
@@engineer_alvit is being implemented in the US. Fein, Wagner and Titan, among others are onboard. The initial focus in North American appears to be on industrial brands that offer specialty tools. But I could see this expanding out to other tools and applications in the future.
Bosch listened to the complaints over the years and have started an initiative where they effectively put a fire under the tool division’s ass. You’ll find this on an international level with the uncanny amount of new releases in recent years. Bosch NA (tools) has been a joke for most of this century. They’ve also gotten the memo and their customers no longer have to wait for ten years to get a product.
I'm a 27 year old carpenter in Australia and have had Bosch for over 10 years, i love them but i agree with your point about them focusing a lot on masonry tools. They make great tools for carpentry but are VERY slow to bring out new tools for woodworking and have a limited range (planer is 10 years old and they still dont have an 18v router/trimmer). They are also not as popular as makita, dewalt and Milwaukee over here.
Spot on with the corded tools. The Bosch routers and circ saws are some of the best made. The convenience of going to your local box store and picking up a red or yellow tool pretty much takes Bosch out of the equation for me in the cordless section.
Why not order online? You can't properly try tools at the store, and it's not like you're supporting your local tool store by shopping at a huge chain store like HD. The selection online is always better anyway.
I just purchased a Bosch orbital sander from Menards, and I absolutely love it. You're right unfortunately menards is about it when it comes to having a huge selection of cordless bosch tools, but if you're lucky enough to live by one, I highly recommend them. I'll be adding more bosch stuff in the future.
You mentioned the saw. My dad just bought it and said it's the best he's used, super smooth.
We have Milwaukee, Makita and Metabo HPT in our business but the recent 18V tools are really quality and some of the best made in the business and we've actually been adding more tools on jobsite as of late
I think you can still get their corded jigsaw made in, I believe, switzerland or hungary maybe? Also their laser level / measuring tool. Those are considered top end aren't they?
A lot of their higher end cordless tools are all made Europe. My SDS is made in Germany, my Jigsaw in Switzerland, and the 12v planer and router are both made in Hungary. Most of their other stuff is made in Malaysia, and occasionally you'll find a Chinese made tool, but they manufactur very little in China compared to most other brands.
@@dcl97 correct, my 7 1/4" Profactor circ saw is also made in Hungary. So is my cordless Bulldog SDS Plus but I know the entry level circ saws and SDS Plus rotary hammers are now made in China.
For the record my old cordless sawzall, brushless sander and brushless jigsaw are also made in China but still very good quality
All my tools are Bosch , been well used and bever let me down , and their battery technology is among the best their is
I help lead charity housing rehab work a few times a year. Teams of volunteers bring personal tool bags with most brands represented. I got tired of getting tools and batteries mixed up so I bought in to the Bosch line. The tools are mostly excellent and nothing goes missing anymore because virtually no one has Bosch. Good for me, but seems not so good for the company's market share evidently.
The situation is similar in Canada. None of professional stores sell Bosch tools extensively. Only a few DIY friendly ones like RONA or Canadian Tire. And their selection is not realy diverse.
Heck, even local professional tool store does not have cordless Bosch at all!
Bosch is what I settled on after using both Dewalt and Milwaukee early on in my career. I get $#! + for using pack out boxes for storage but they're a big improvement over my Bosch Lboxx system.
This is a damn shame, Bosch makes some of the best corded tools, yet Lowes doesn't carry them.
I think Bosch is becoming relevant again because their price. They're offering similar performance and longevity as the other brands for around 20% less in many cases.
I love my Bosch 18v tools, but I bought each of them at Lowe’s unicorn clearance prices. Portable band saw, 1-1/8 in rotary sds-plus drill, matching dust extractor, drywall cutout tool, vacuum, extra batteries, most with additional BOGO battery deals. Can’t be sustainable for Bosch or Lowe’s.
My next cat will be called Makita, now. The local Do It Best used to be a solid place to buy Makita. Kinda went to the wayside when Milwaukee came in strong with their hand tools and the like.
My 10 yr old lithium 1/4" impact driver is still going strong. I even have a tiny 1/4" Skil-by-Bosch cordless ratchet I hacked new batteries into a few years ago that is the handiest tight-space power tool ever.
I love my 12v Bosch . I have the 1/4 “ Impact/driver set , bought in 2010 for 129.00 . I have Milwaukee,Dewalt but I grab the Bosch 9 out of 10 times. The 12v hits my hands and I’m retired so I don’t use them quite as hard as when I was a commercial electrician. I will buy every set I see on sale, I have 4 drills &4impacts. For 18/20 v I am married to Dewalt but am cheating on them with Hercules in the camper because they have gone nuts with the whole battery thing. I just need a friggen battery . At a decent price and decent quality. ‘Not something that is so expensive that it grows legs the second you put it down. I will NEVER pay $200 for a battery unless it’s going in me truck or camper.
I saw an SDS Max Bosch Hitman normally $529 that I found a crazy deal for $139 at Lowes which I picked up. Non SDS hammer drill purchases have been underpowered by a large margin.
Honestly, I feel like you are very on point with this thought/feedback. I agree with your main premise. I own several 12v Bosch tools and I LOVE their 12v line, it is perfect for a DIY'er. However, the alternatives from DeWalt, Ryobi, Hercules, Bauer.... I feel like other brands are eating Bosch's lunch. Lowes seems to be getting rid of all of their 18v and 12v stuff, on clearance even as of 5July2024.
I actually got a free Freak and I did the break up thing and got a cordless grinder too... my batteries crapped out stone cold with no warning all at once... kind of why I'm hesitant to explore any further.
They provide a 3-year warranty after registering them, including the batteries. Maybe you had a bad batch. It happens with every brand (since they all buy the battery cells from the same 3 or 4 suppliers). I'd try to warranty them. Here in Europe, their customer service has so far been excellent.
I used the Bosch Bulldog. and it worked Great . faster than an SDS Max. It's light and it does the Job. Thanx for bringing that up Bear.👍
Bosch rules in Europe and in Asia (with Makita). In the US is ok if they are on 5th or something like that. Because you guys have other big local brands, that a national american is inclined to buy. It's totally fine, you need to help the local economy. And that's why Bosch is not investing in the local market like in Europe. Where the competition is crushed easily. Globally, they are a mamut and will never be Irrelevant
Their concrete tools are still among the best when price considered
I've always thought of Bosch as a premium grade tool on the same level as Milwaukee's top of the line offerings. And their corded tools border on being industrial grade, in that they'll likely keep going a lot longer than you'll be able to stay awake and pull the trigger. That said, I'm surprised that they would make a store like Lowes their home base in the United States, because they're way more tool than the casual DIY homeowner is likely to either need or want.
The Bosch freak has a spot , for roll groove piping uses, the square head don’t snap the adapters do also for roll groove a light impact is good nit to much torque, also for tapcons
Senseless video. Bosch are excellent. But them online. Forget Home depot and Lowe’s.
def 4get home depot
It almost seems that the largest European brand with the most diverse portfolio of products produced really can't be bothered with marketing. I have brought this up with the sales rep...makes his job a bit tough too.
@Starcrunch72 Sounds a lot like Hewlett-Packard back in the 20th century. The absolute best computing and measurement systems, but virtually no ability to understand how to market them.
They ended up selling off the instrument division, then let a series of incompetent CEOs run them down to irrelevance.
it's like VW, the 2nd largest automaker in the world with a big portfolio of products but they just can't crack the US market. And honestly they don't need to. Cordless tool buyers are as loyal as pickup truck buyers and they'll mostly get Chevy Ford (or Ram) because America. But if what's left from the market still makes for a business case then it makes sense for Bosch to keep offering tools here
I don't own any Bosch tools, but their dishwashers and windshield wiper blades are excellent.
The problem is Bosch has made no real effort to enter the cordless market in the USA
The first Lithium ion cordless in Lowes was a 10.8v compact t pistol with d cell battery. No one else beat their torque specs for many years. They have faded away in the last decade.
Only in the USA in the UK and Europe they are arguably the number 1 selling brand and Milwaukee and such are considered junk. Mostly due to lack of repairability. @@jerrywhitfill2236
Almost every time my Bulldog gets lent out, the borrower winds up wanting to buy one of his own. I probably cause enough sales to merit a commission. (You'd think I'd get a complimentary tool now and then, but Noooo! Not even a call, or a greeting card!) Bosch tools don't have that cheezy DIY 'stealth fighter' look to them. Nothing suggests high tech, or bragging rights. But when you get their tools into the 'sandbox', they sell themselves, like Hilti. Maybe they prefer the industrial / commercial reputation over any amateur appeal.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bosch tools, marketing and store display is the biggest problem with bisxh tools in the US
I think Bosch is suffering in the U.S. because Home Depot isn't big on their cordless tool for some strange reason. I went shopping recently for a new mid-power drill/driver and settled on the Bosch GSR18V-800CB24 ($229). This is a great tool just like the Brushless 12v Flexiclick GSR12V-300FCB22. Superb!
I got Bosch when I was living in South East Asia, where Bosch Blue is a common pro brand (many of their tools are manufactured in Malaysia). Now I am in Australia, I should switch to Makita, but there are too many nasty tools in their line.
Makita offers decidedly consumer grade and pro grade tools all dressed up in the same plastic, especially in the drill/driver and saw lines. It is too much of a headache figuring out if a tool is a good deal or not.
Every brand has 3 or 4 levels of drills and impact drivers. They'll usually have a brushed set, a brushless, and a premium, then sometimes they'll have a compact or quick-change
I feel like it’s mostly the Bosch green line that killed off Bosch as a professional tool. whenever I speak to anyone about Bosch tools, the stigma of being cheap one use garbage is always brought up. I often have to correct people and explain the difference, think it’s mostly the stigma of having the name planted on the garbage green line that turns people away. Personally absolutely love Bosch (blue) tools although I ended up buying dewalt, but Bosch was was a very close second for me.
About 4+ yrs ago my barn manager asked me to do work on the property. I'd take my paycheck and start getting tools. I went with Ryobi cordless 1, because the nearness to an electrical outlet was prohibitive and I'd need lots of extension cords. 2, because their battery platform ran all of their product lines including the old stuff. As I ran into a situation where I needed a different tool I'd get it. I had the little chop saw, but ran into a huge problem when it took 3 cuts to cut a 4x4. I saw at Home Depot a Ryobi Cordless radial arm saw 36v and got it. It fit the need perfectly and I built my wife's horse's stall a lot faster.
ive worked in both construction and industrial environment for the past 7 years, ive worked with plumbers, carpenters, concrete guys and metal fabricators etc.... I very seldom see people use bosch, and as electricians, most of us are using milwaukee as our personal set, and our company provides the big boy red hilti, the two red brands just caters towards our trade, the last time I can remember ive seen someone use a bosch was a cabinet installer, using a bosch table saw with a laser on it and a full set of bosch battery tools, that was maybe 2 years ago. I can confirm at least in vancouver canada, bosch needs more love.
It's true, Bosch cordless tools are hard to find in stock. Every Bosch tool I have, is still working just fine. I also own Dewalt 20 and 60 volt tools. I still have some older 18 volt, 12 volt and even a 7.2 volt screwdriver. All are working just fine. I had 0ne dewalt 18 volt battery go bad. Then there is my dust collecting Milwaukee tools. I had to replace the batteries all the time. Never had a Milwaukee battery last two years. The final straw for Milwaukee, I had a set of hole saws that were oval not round. The one thing the Milwaukee made best were the axe and torch recip. blades.
Bosch has big inroads in the Automotive field with other product ranges such as alternators, relays and starter motors - you would think that they could ride in on their reputation with an excellent well designed 1/2" & 3/4" drive impact wrench. The Bosch 7" disc grinder was very popular in Australia when I was on the workshop floor.
I do commercial maintenance. I get up in the morning and get a few emails, spend my day on the road. I no longer have any corded tools in my truck. When I buy a tool it's because I need it right then. For convenience sake I use 2 brands, and mostly buy from Home Depot, so yes Yellow and Orange. I've never considered Bosch because as you point out, there's just not enough available on the shelf.
I switched from Bosch 18v to Dewalt after working a job with a dewalt guy and a milwaukee guy, we were all driving screws with impact druvers and they were so much faster. To be fair, they were both brushless and i was brushed. Gave all my 18v stuff to my son and re tooled. Still have Bosch table saw, 12” miter, corded recip saw and colt router, all corded.
Even brushless Bosch will be slower, but I bet you it will last twice as long. Not a Bosch fan, but they are dependable at least their top tier line
@@SkilledLabor In my experience, any latest-gen impact driver is ridiculously fast when driving screws.
My first Bosch tool in 30 years was the 12" sliding miter saw I got at Lowes 6 months ago for $325. So far I'm vary happy with it and even got the matched stand paid full price for. My work van is Yellow everywhere you look and has been 25 plus years mainly because as the manufacturers know it is very hard to change platforms once your thousands in.
I don't own any Bosch tools, but one of the most memorable moments in my life was when my buddy Steve and I went to a tool and woodworking show at the Convention Center in Portland 30 years ago. There was a gentleman demoing a Bosch jigsaw. He had a piece of 3/4" plywood into which he was making plunge cuts. He held the saw in one hand, about 16 inches above the plywood, pulled the trigger on the saw, and SLAMMED the blade through the plywood, and proceeded to make his cut. He did this demo again and again. He didn't bend a single blade. Steve and I looked at each other, with our jaws dropped. I haven't had the need for jig saw for 30 years, but if the need arose, the first one I'd remember would be that Bosch, 30 years ago.
Correction. I do own their 800-ft laser level.
I think the biggest problem with Bosch tools is I have always seen them in industrial applications.. I have looked at Bosch cordless stuff but their wasn't much around.. In Canada Canadian Tire had them but they just were not selling that much... Most people I know think they are just another cheap tool because they didn't see any contractors using them... They are just not out there in the contractors hands and most home owners want what the contractors are using
Click bait. Their cordless 5” sander is best in class.
So Bosch is mostly competing with Hilti? There is tremendous competition in cordless tools. The key is getting customers locked into a batter platform.
I bought (a few years ago) a reconditioned Bulldog to rip up old tile floors. Even though I don't do it often, it was the same cost as renting an equivalent tool three times, and I get to keep the tool.
The weird thing is that Bosch make many of the Hilti tool parts, as well as the angle grinders outright. They are a massive industrial manufacturer/OEM.
I don't run Bosch personally but they are doing just fine and make exceptional tools. Milwaukee and DeWalt are not the only two power tool companies. Bosch and Makita both excel in ergonomics, build quality and repair ability
So who is their direct competitor for industrial tools? Milwaukee, Makita, Hilti? I totally agree with the corded tools worth.
Hilti and Makita are their main competitors. Milwaukee and Dewalt are just below those.
Became a Bosch fan as a welder/fabricator as their 4 inch grinders last much longer than Dewalt or Makita. So I gravitated toward them for other tools like a laser level and my new favorite toy, the 11321 EVS SDS MAX demo hammer. I don't ONLY like Bosch though. I like Milwaukee porta bands and nailers. Makita makes a decent cheap chop saw and I have a Dewalt sawzall. No single tool brand rules all tool brands. Some give more of a shit about some things than others.
Here is the thing. If the home depots in the world want to stay in business, they need to carry things that Amazon has. People are going to figure out the superiority of Bosch tools. I've been on the DeWALT and Milwaukee battery platforms for years (and still am), and now I am on Bosch. It's almost like getting a Festool without the Systainer and endless money pit.
I would usually agree with you, but the American public seem very limited in its view, with them usually dividing into two camps, almost by default. That can be Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. Android, HD vs. Lowes, Democrat vs. Republican, or Milwaukee vs. DeWalt. They usually don't look outside of those two known options, regardless of the merits of other options.
This doesn't hold for all Americans, mind you, but it is a trend that can be widely seen.