Reacting to The Byrds at Monterey Pop (selected), David Crosby Remarks
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The Byrds took the stage at the Monterey Pop Festival on Saturday, June 17, 1967. The band's setlist was as follows:
Renaissance Fair
Have You Seen Her Face
Hey Joe (The Leaves cover)
He Was a Friend of Mine ([traditional] cover)
Lady Friend
Chimes of Freedom (Bob Dylan cover)
I Know You Rider ([traditional] cover)
So You Want to Be a Rock 'n' Roll Star
Following their appearance at Monterey Pop and through the year 1967, internal conflicts escalated, exacerbated by substance abuse and creative differences. Michael Clarke, the band's drummer, left later that year. David Crosby was fired later in the year.
Despite the challenges, The Byrds released the album "The Notorious Byrd Brothers" in 1968, which showcased their experimentation with psychedelic and country elements. The album received critical acclaim but failed to achieve commercial success.
The musicians of the 60s are like The Greek gods and heroes: they lived and worked that we talk about them forever. From Uruguay, South America..
Good chat between you guys - very informative. Look forward to checking out some more.
Great footage and great reaction!
The thing about an early Dylan song is you can fast-forward six minutes and they're still going through the verses.
Loved it , The Byrds have been one of my favourite bands since i was a kid in the 60s and i like all their different line ups..
What these cats don’t understand is that Monterey can be cold in June, particularly at night. A hat like the one Cros is wearing is appropriate.
Just a cunning cover-up for their balding advancements...
I can assure you that June on the California coast it was likely to be in the 50s, it's not warm up here, I'm a little further north in San Francisco, but it's always cooler on the coast.
Marine layer and the beautiful NoCal weather definitely is sweater weather.
I was wondering about that - notice that John Phillips is also wearing a similar hat at the event.
"The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." This quote is a much repeated comment on our coastal weather - incorrectly attributed to Mark Twain.
Hey Joe was a David Crosby discovery who introduced it to the LA scene, Hendrix covered the Tim Rose version
Crosby ended Hey Joe without giving McGuinn a cue and the ending fell apart.
AKA a "train wreck". This was a valid reason for McGuinn to be angry at Crosby.
In a Byrds interview they said they were inspired by the Rickenbacker 12 string because of George Harrison. Also George’s go to guitar was the Gretsch Country Gentleman. So many bands from this time period used the instruments The Beatles used. ✌🏻
And the funny fact is George Harrison once said in an interview for the Guitar Player Magazine that The Beatles didn't rate their own sound very high. He thought that a Gretsch guitar through a Vox amp was not a great sounding rig (I wish I had it). Apparently Brian Epstein and George Martin thought The Beatles should look and sound different from The Shadows, and therefore they shouldn't use Fenders, that they ended up using anyway later on in their career. In the meantime other bands were paying attention to the instruments The Beatles were using and copying them.
At Monterey Pop, McGuinn played a Gretsch Country Gentleman on "Hey Joe," but he normally played a Rickenbacker 330-12 string that was modified with a third pickup installed. Roger still owns that Gretsch. Roger was never really what I would call a blues-based lead guitarist, so his work on that solo wasn't up to his usual standards. His solo approach was based more around melodic and modal progressions, mixed with folk, raga and avant garde jazz influences. The Byrds were the most influential American band of the 60's, but they were never a truly great live band. Their milieu was the recording studio. There, they almost single handedly invented folk rock, raga rock, country rock, jazz rock and space rock.
I think his actual guitar was a Rickenbacker 360/12 with an added middle pickup that he had installed for the hell of It, since he apparently always uses the bridge pickup. He wanted a guitar like the one George Harrison used on A Hard Day's Night, only his had a maple-glo finish, an R tailpiece and a rounded front edge (and of course the extra pickup).
Jim Hendix also listened to the Creation's version of "Hey Joe," which was not released here in the USA. Jimi heard it in England. The two versions are almost identical.
BS. If Hendrix ever heard the song played by the Creation (who were one of the great British bands of that time), it would have been a cover of his version, which was an established part of his act before he visited the UK.
Have you guys ever been in Monterey in June? It can be damned cold.
Yep, we've been schooled by other posters. Never Monterey - but I spent a June in SF and Bolinas. True the coast is cool at night, but David's hat looks worthy of Siberia! Was too funny not to mention. Not hating on him; we love Croz. - G
Boy that was raw on hey joe ha ha!!
In the video you can see McGuinn playing on Hey Joe the Gretsch Country Gentleman that Crosby was playing on Chimes of Freedom. I think that's where the lead part came from.
WOW....VERY RARE....ROGER DOES NOT PLAY HIS RIC!!!!!!
Crosby loved Coltrane.
The above commentary contains some seriously incorrect information. They did not play their early hits. McGuinn did not sabotage Chimes of Freedom, and they did not leave the stage right after. Mike Clarke did not leave the band right after this. I would recommend reading some of the excellent books on the Byrds before posting incorrect material out there. Jonny Rogan's Timeless Flyte is the definitive book on the history of the Byrds.
Thanks for letting us know, it's appreciated. That description has been updated.
McGuinn used a Gretsch on Hey Joe, he swapped out his 12 string Rickenbacker for the Gretsch for that song.
That scrappy version of Hey Joe was more or less copped from the version that Arthur Lee and Love were playing at that time. He even dedicates it to the band Love. Love's version is a thousand times better... ;)
Bryan MacLean who sings the Love version brought it with him after being a roadie for the Byrds.
@@billspencer9430 interesting and cool that he worked with the Byrds. Love was such an amazing band, way underrated. I do think that their version of Hey Joe is so much better than this version by the Byrds.
@@PaisleyPatchouli Agreed.
An interesting side note about the song "Hey Joe", it seems that Billy Roberts of the Leaves composed the song, but at some time Dino Valenti / Chester Powers (Quicksilver MS) claimed ownership and earned some money from the song, possibly a gift from his friend Billy Roberts. Dino had gone to jail on a pot charge, sold his song "Get Together" to pay his legal bills (hey, I can just write another!), and Billy gave him "Hey Joe" to help him out upon his release from jail.
@@brucemoore48 fascinating!
The luckiest harmony singer in the history of recorded music.
An important band .
nice commentary to accompany it
Billy roberts wrote Hey Joe according to Crosby and that’s where he got it, 1962/3 and rocked it up a bit. I guess McGuinn is not playing 12 string on it at Monterey because of tuning the 12 string to do 1 song, time consuming, Byrds have a Stockholm, Sweden of Hey Joe with McGuinn on 12 string and Crosby not shouting as he was at Monterey
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I'd highly recommend getting the Monterey Pop Fest box set. I can't think of a weak performance during the whole fest. The Byrds gave one of the strongest sets, all the songs are very well executed, with the harmonies magnificent.
It's a shame that I Know My Rider was the one song left off the Byrds set in the box.Their set is complete otherwise.
Are you serious? The Byrds were self-destructing on stage during the entire performance.
A lot of the early covers of "Hey Joe" take that uptempo country approach but Hendrix took the slowed down Tim Rose version as the template for his own (which he recorded in October '66, almost a year before this Byrds version from Monterey). The Clarence White era Byrds were a much better live act than the line-up here, although to be fair drummer Michael Clarke, a novice when they started and deemed not good enough to actually play on their early recordings, (where they used the Wrecking Crew legend Hal Blaine), gives this version a good kicking, in fact he's the only one here who sounds like he's actually trying. Not surprising that he left a couple of months later, both Crosby and McGuinn were being assholes during this period (some might say they never stopped).
You could write a book about the song "Hey Joe". Maybe someone should. Crosby championed the song for some time, but the other Byrds were not keen. They finally agreed to record it on 5D, after it had been a local hit for both the Leaves.and Love (who were inspired to record the song when former Byrds' roadie Bryan McLean joined the band). Crosby credits The Leaves, Love, Tim Hardin, and Jimi Hendrix in his introduction to the song.
Crosby also championed the work of Ravi Shankar, which, as he has said "had repercussions", when George Harrison heard the message.
The Byrds themselves played on all their records with the exception of the Mr. Tambourine man 45, and that includes Mike Clarke as well. For the record, I'll take these guys live over McGuinn's "new Byrds" live any day. My collection contains over 100 shows of that band, and frankly, they don't deserve the reputation they have as being a good live band, unless one likes fast, busy, over the top playing, fueled by Peruvian rocket fuel.JMHO, however.
@@plrndlCrosby credits Tim Rose.
I wasn't as plugged into folk rock as some listeners were at the time, so I had no idea that "Friend of Mine" was a borrowed song. I thought from the beginning that it was penned by The Byrds.
I've been an absolute fiend for "Hey Joe" since I first heard it performed by The Leaves in what, 1965? I wasn't overly fond of how The Byrds covered it, but their fast-paced version certainly draws on The Leaves.
Over the years that I've researched the song, I've learned that Hendrix was actually late to the party. "Hey Joe" was passed around from band to band in the L.A. club scene for several years before Jimi covered it so well.
I've accumulated around two dozen bands who recorded the song for one label or another, and I'm still looking.😉
Appreciate your comment and your recollections! We almost included a discussion about who was the real author of Hey Joe, since Dino Valente (as Chet Powers) tried to claim ownership at one point. - G
@glennandadriansrocktalk When you have the chance, you should really explore the authenticity of the claims of authorship for the song. I recall finding references to three composers, including Valente.
@@glennandadriansrocktalk I believe that although the Leaves released a record first and had a hit, they got it from Love and they got it from the Byrds.
I can Appreciate these Tunes Nowadays , but When they used to show the Movie back when We were in High School all the bands Except the Experience Seemed super wimpy , not Much Rockin Going on .
Hey Joe sounds terrible
Crosby and McGuinn were fighting while they were onstage. Crosby wanted to join Buffalo Springfield, so he did. Jim (Roger) McGuinn was one of the weakest lead players of any group in the 1960's. The Byrds were a mess. Gene and Mike Clark could barely play.