Ummm, so, will you also do the theme for Lacey when you first meet her and the principal asks you to battle against her plusle and minun? She had a different theme then…
The elite 4 is like the most anime elite boss thing ever. -the energetic elite -The diligent and smart one -The girl with cute face but secretly a sadist. -The prodigy kid. Those are the trope of anime final boss with school theme.
Legit took me four tries to beat Crispin and I wouldn't have it any other way. Call me a masochist, but slowly learning the ins and outs of a fight and refining my strategy to eventually come out on top is fun as heck
@@catscanhavelittleasalamiI was thinking the same thing, I genuinely think it would've been perfect if Kieran's pokemon were all level 100s to really cement he's in it for ALL the marbles. Kind of a missed opportunity. At least make them 95.
if you check details and scroll down to the bottom, it’ll tell you the hometowns of these 4: Crispin is from virbank Lacey is from nimbasa Amarys is from castelia Drayton is from opelucid
Well she does lead with Plusle and Minun in her first battle. Who knows@@tomachu7899 Drayton seems better than his grandfather and maybe on par with iris
She had a robotic aesthetic to her but she isn't like a have no emotions person, she regularly shows emotions like clapping her hands, and saying whatever's on her mind, she just talks and presents herself really formally
Not only is their theme a total banger, but they’ve got personality and are a challenge to battle too. I love these 4 so much, Crispin is probably my favorite because of his enthusiastic attitude and his easygoing way of thinking
Crispin is my fav too, the blunt (and a little stupid) types are always my favorite. And I love the way he hides behind his pan after losing. Drayton is a close second.
One of the ? Easily the hardest. No other elite 4 even come close in term of raw difficulty. Double battle so set mode forced, pretty high level, use strategies and objects. Before them people considered Cynthia the hardest but unless you're playing nuzlock and never grind she doesn't even come close.
Fun Factoid: Drayton is Drayden's grandson, which isn't that hard to guess based on their characters but Lacey also has a gym leader relative, Clay! If it wasn't obvious from her excadrill and hairpin, she says as much in a conversation with Nemona. Add on Lian, their Hisuian ancestor, and it seems the Clay family gets bigger every generation
You can’t invite Nemona yet - I’m pretty sure you can after the update with the mythical Pokemon drops, and some people got their hands on that event early somehow
I’ve been playing Pokémon for about 20 years now, and these four gave me a challenge I hadn’t experienced in a very long time. Starting with a fresh new team for this DLC, winning with my favorites didn’t come down to just pressing “A” over and over again. But I actually had to determine optimal items, abilities, moves, and even entry order. Even then, all of my battles with them came down to 1 or 2 Pokémon left on my side not fainted, and that made those victories all the more satisfying.
That they built their teams explicilty to counter weaknesses too and exploit strategies (stealth rock + whirlwind, I FEEL ya Amarys! and Lacey knowing Fairies only have poison and steel to worry about, so she ends with Excadrill who hard counters both types....only to Tera Fairy and expose it's weaknesses.... Hey there's a reason the lazy dragon trainer surpassed her but A for the idea!)
As someone who has played Pokemon for about 11 years now (crazy how time flies), these battles were some of the few fights in the series to actually get me to use healing items mid-battle. Normally I avoid doing that but after the hell Lacey put me through I didn't even try to beat Drayton without healing
While not a full looping chain, the BB League Elite 4 does have a weakness-related throughline to their typings. Fire -> Steel -> Fairy -> Dragon Notably, this is also the BB League ranking among the Elite 4 members, from lowest to highest. In other words, an E4 who has a type advantage against another is always lower-rank than them, implying that they're able to consistently overcome the poor matchup as a sign of true strength. ADDENDUM: Steel resists Dragon, and Fire resists Fairy, meaning that Crispin and Amarys actually have positive matchups against the *2* E4s ranked directly higher than them.
I noticed this too. Even though they can be fought in any order, it’s clear what the rankings are when reading their dialogue. Such a nice touch. Makes me wonder if other non-linear E4s have a similar dynamic to them that we just never get to hear about
@@edgargaebolg9307 Yeh, he has like ONE Grass type but it's still Fire themed because it's geared to exploit the sun that two of his mons can set up- one that he sends out immediately after one of the mons that can do that, the Talonflame.
@@thelonemask It's the perfect setup too, just like Iono's Mismagius it actually had great synergy for an all-fairy team's ace, countering both Poison and Steel (and Fire for that matter)
@PeekatChu. Well, fire type users are regarded as hot-headed (pun intended), so it makes sense that they use quick balls since their patience is questionable.
These guys are no joke, I got my ass destroyed by the BB elite 4 but managed to beat them! Imagine someone is doing a nuzlocke 😨 that would be a blood bath ngl
This elite four really knocked it out of the park with this one. Drayton is easily my favorite. Given their ties to Unova, I'd love to see them again if they does anything more with Unova as a region, namely Lacey and Drayton, both of whom are confirmed to be relatives of Unovan gym leaders.
Yeah love how they kept playing him up as someone with a secret agenda who manipulates people when in the end he just wanted his friend back and it was Kieran he was trying to shut down cause his ego got too big, He didn't do anything evil or wicked at all. Though that could've just been Carmine worrying about her brother and Lacey is implied to be a case of "Beware the nice ones" given she's polite to your face but says really rude and hurtful things about you being a foreigner. even insisting that she doesn't like you being part of the club after you've fixed everything cause she just isn't comfortable with it. Though that's fairy type trainers for you.
@@MarioMastarAnd I didn’t understand what Lacey was trying to get at. Drayton and Carmine clearly knew Kieran became too strong for anyone at the academy to check him. Even Amarys, who clearly likes Kieran and was also against the player joining the BB League, had a change of heart after she lost to the player, as she also realized the player was their only chance of knocking some sense into Kieran.
@@alicestolze8327 He was probably the Champion before Kieran, obviously he took it personal when he lost to him for whatever reason. He wanted to knock him down a peg but couldn't get it done himself.
I think the implication was to make you think he was a Dark Type trainer as everything about his design and demeanor says "Dark type". But turns out he's just bummed because his friend went insane and he wants his old buddy back. This series is all about "Don't judge a book by it's cover." in the best possible way. Seemed to be the common theme between the S/V DLC stories.
@@billx6545 He took it personally because Kieran made it personal people tends to forget Kieran became an asshole to everyone in the league club when he came back to school and from drayton and kierans dialog they weren't on good terms with each other either while Drayton was champion he didn't take it too seriously and just wanted to have fun Kieran on the other hand took it too seriously
@@hydrawarrior6839this. I was kinda mad they didn't use the OG Unova E4 theme; however the kids actually having their own theme leaves them their own time to shine without taking the light of the OG's.
I didn't expect them to use. Cause even though they are elite 4, but they are BBA Elite Four. Not the Unova League Elite four. So their theme is unique to them. A liitle nuance here and there would have been good, but its fine either way.
While I think their theme could have a bit more oomph to it, this is by far and away my favorite Elite Four group in the franchise. I absolutely love their designs (Drayton & Amarys are my faves), their personalities, and how they're a bunch of friends as well as academic peers. They can't be steamrolled with just one type, actually use competitive items, are the first Elite Four to have trials, and were a flippin' challenge to fight. We also have our first ever Fairy Elite Four member! Gosh, I love them all.
I was very happy to learn Lacey was a fairy specialist And as someone with fairy type favoritism, I was also happy to see how much ground type move coverage her team had for their main weaknesses; her ace being an Excadrill like her father was a perfect matchup in that regard!
Basically I pulled all the stops and brought my lv 100 Pokemons down on them. And Drayton still managed to get me on the ropes in part because I forgot to bring enough Ice/Fairy moves against him.
my favorite thing about the BBA isn’t just the fact that they’re crazy strong, but they also employ common strategies that i’ve never seen before executed by NPCs
I love the fact that the person who acts as ur guide around the academy for a little bit, Lacey, is also the 2nd strongest elite four member. Ur unknowingly being guided around the academy by this rlly kind and sweet girl who could probably steamroll ur team if u weren't prepared. (She's also Pokémon's very first Fairy type E4 member!) some of these replies 💀💀💀
In Unova, Elite Four can be battled in any order, but you can always create a chain of super-effective order from their types: BW/2: Psychic > Fighting > Dark > Ghost BBA: Fire > Steel > Fairy > Dragon Here, this particular order is recommended by the game (you get a super-effective TM for the next challenge) but still not enforced.
Even better than this - there's a *suggested* order of progression, but they actually SCALE UP A BIT IN LEVEL when you progress from one to the next Indigo Disk feels like "ok let's try everything we couldn't get to do in the main game on a smaller scale" and I love them for that. Exactly what the game as a whole needed, though it is definitely easier to do this with a more narrow difficulty curve + 4 trials to balance as opposed to 18. I'm glad to see it in any fashion
@@WishMakers Speaking of doing things they messed up in the main game… Geeta now sends her Glimmora first and Kingambit last. She even replaces Gogoat with Chesnaught and has a defensive type-changing Tera on her final mon.
@@ewormXDShe also has a Dragapult, replacing Veluza. The only thing missing would be to have her Espathra use the infamously broken Speed Boost + Stored Power moveset
These battles and most of the dlc battles were brutal for a modern Pokémon game, I really like the challenge. Also this song goes hard and absolutely slaps
I'm surprised nobody mentioned that 0:44 is clearly a revamped version of the beta elite 4 theme for sun/moon. It was shown off at Japan Expo in 2016. Glad to see it got reused in some capacity! (for another e4 ironically). Honestly gave me nostalgia of when that got first shown off all those years back, time sure does fly. I also like how some alola pokemon were used in the dlc, i see you GF
@@WishMakers yeah I did too, especially with all the alolan pokemon in the coastal terrarium including lacey having primarina and kieran's incinaroar. Also you're welcome lol I couldn't help but point it out cause gen 7 is one of my favorite gens
"Decorate" and "Alcremie". 2 things that have surely been drilled into my brain as hard as Whitney's Miltank or Cynthia's Garchomp pulverized my behind decades ago
I can say with full confidence that this is one of the hardest group of elite four I’ve ever faced. 3/4 battles left me with only one Pokemon left to fight. KEEP DOING THIS.
I love how their group strongly embodies aspects of: Passion, Cuteness, Precision, and Cunning, for Crispen, Lacie, Amarys, and Drayden respectively. Each one of their designs, battle preferences and personalities ties strongly into their makeup.
@@lifelessons7401 Exactly that. After an easy game they suddenly throw up VGC worthy Pokemon. The difficulty spike was TOO extreme to be fun. At least the Indigo Disk warned you beforehand.
@@guguy00 I still enjoy BDSP's Elite Four though. After an absolutely insanely boring game, having something so engaging and challenging honestly saves the game (BDSP is still bad tho).
As much as I like Penny, Nemona and arven, the dlc charakters have such nice designs and personalities. I really liked Carmine, Kieran, Drayton and espacially Lacey. Also Kieran was refreshing regarding the rivals we had the last years. A shame the dlcs were so short and we spent so little time with them. Oh and of course ir was nice, that is was challenging
Seeing these guys being so strong (and apparently just still training) and the stronger rematches with the Paldea Elite four and Champ makes me wonder how all the Elite Four members from previous Gens would be if they had the same level as them and more optimized teams. We did get a good example of that in BDSP.
I really wish I could give him Spicy Herbas through a Fuecoco trade. Arven complimenting his obsession on bringing that frying pan is a top tier reaction.
for me it was when alcremie kept using decorate on slowbro and i couldn’t put either of them to sleep bc of its ability… this fight took me a few tries
@@QuasarBuasarEeveeTheUziFan Alternatively, keep Alcremie alive while focusing on sweeping the rest of the team, it will be near useless because it will try to use Decorate and fail everytime since there's no target. My boi Clodsire with Water-absorb, a Tera Poison and holding a Metronome while spamming Poison jab made most of the fight a cakewalk, especially when her Alcremie was on the battlefield.
Man it’s still insane to think that the Blueberry Elite Four is probably the most high-powered Elite Four in existence… they all use held items, Double Battles, and four of the most powerful types in existence.i have no doubt these kids would beat the shit out of 90% of the Elite Fours out there, the only one that could maybe keep up being the BDSP Sinnoh Rematches, which is insane.
It makes sense that this is the only non remixed theme from black and white of a concept that already existed in the previous game. That's because while they are the elite four, they are not the official unovan ones but only the academy ones so that explains why the theme is completely different
Let Crispin cook! This battle will be down in a quick and professional manner. Cuteness is strength! Here's the Drayster take: You can battle with those recently caught Pokemon if you like a challenge.
Drayton wrecked me twice and I had to bring out my level 100 team to win. Even then, I still had to strategize in order to win! Glad to see a difficulty spike in this dlc!
I was SO tempted to use the team he had us catch cause he deserved that respect, but I only had enough resources to get Cincinno buffed up. Still put in work with rock blast taking down his flying dragons.
I got unlucky with Haxorus flinching and critting me on my first attempt, but eventually, my Pixilate Sylveon's Throat Spray Hyper Voice helped me a great deal against Drayton.
*the opposing Blaziken used Temper Flare!* *the opposing Reuniclus used Trick Room!* *Quick Draw allowed the opposing Slowbro to move faster!* I got nothing traumatising for Drayton his fight was actually the easiest for me
It is for mainline games This is DLC which means optional content. If this was in the base game then definitely absolutely better but because this was released after all the complaints and is DLC it doesn't count.
@@conspiracyspider That argument hasn't been valid since the Alolan games though. The games got very easy during gen 6 but after that the difficulty went up and it's no easier than it was before. Guzma and Lusamine were some of the harder villains, Ultra Necrozma was actually hard, Giovanni was good, Mewtwo from LGPE was hard, Volo was ridiculous, etc. The main games had some great battles too, Ioni's Misdreavus for example was great. Go back to HGSS and tell me it's harder than modern Pokemon games. There are plenty of things to complain about regarding modern Pokemon but difficulty isn't one of them, they've only made it more fun
@@conspiracyspidera reason why difficulties option should be available for newer players and...veteran players, but it would take time to do that and Gamefreak is lazy
Coming from someone whos more of a casual player who doesnt know much of competitive, I LOVED how challenging the BB league was. I never really struggled with any elite four before since my first game was X and my pokemon were over leveled in BDSP, so it was fun having a nice challenge
This is the first time an elite 4 actually had me nearly loose. They use competitive held items and strategies. We might not have gotten a Battle frontier again, but this makes up for it
yeah, the only other elite 4s i lost to were BDSP which have semi-competetive teams when the player basically cant and s/m because i had a garbage team and couldnt be bothered to make a new one still never beat s/m
Gamefreak please im begging you, more fights like these in the future! The fact that I ACTUALLY LOST for the first time in a pokemon game since Ghetsis in Black and White was such an amazing feeling. The gloves REALLY came off with the BBA Elite four and champion, it was wonderful having to actually consider my next move carefully!
Lacey was a nightmare. I enjoyed our battle but she was extremely tough! Edit: I love the elite four here! Very strong and some made me actually plan ahead. Definitely the right way to do pokemon battles. Make us THINK. We WANT a challenge this far in!
I'm only somewhat ashamed to admit that Lacey took me 5 tries because goddamn, that Primarina. When I first saw the Throat Spray item in the store I was like "that's so niche, when are you gonna use that?" And somewhere, Lacey laughed.
I'll probably never forget when I was fighting Crispin with my last pokemon that was outspeeding their Blaziken but not okhoing it and being like "please don't tell me it has speed boost..."
Gamefreak did not disappoint, I remember reading that they were going to make the battles tougher, let's just say I have a new respect for doubles battles 😅
My headcannon is that Crispin is a distant nephew of Chili,Cress, and Cilan since they own a restaurant but he favors Chili more, and that Amarys is a distant neice of Lenora. It would be a cool throwback to the memory link cutscene that Lenora and Clay do work together/colleagues and now Clays daughter and Lenoras neice work together/are friends.
@@stachiosmalling2638 Then she would be Pennys cousin since Penny is confirmed to be Peoni's daughter and Penny is Peonia's sister. But I kinda doubt that Amarys is related to Peoni.
As soon as I heard this theme play in game I knew the BB League members were on an entirely different playing field with that synth sounding the way it does And boy am I glad to be a competitive player
I like to believe that this Elite 4, being that they're school kids, embody a feeling of 'the next generation' with their new style of battling (i.e. doubles in an E4). They really do be 'breaking the mold'
I had so much fun with this DLC, it’s so fun and challenging, I only had Violet version but I went ahead and bought Scarlet and another switch just so I could play it again!! Lol
I deadass got excited when I battled these guys for the first few times with a dlc caught team and got wiped each time. Even with my competitive doubles team I struggled, easily the hardest E4 in the franchise, they need to keep doing stuff like this!
This was the first Elite Four to legitimately kick my ass, no matter how overleveled I was. Having to form an actual strategy in order to even approach them was... satisfying. Exciting, even. Like I had been missing something all these years.
Amarys is easily the coolest of the 4. Between her formidable Steel type crew and her badass way of speech, she definitely left quite the impression on me the most!
Honestly coming into the dlc with a team full of lvl 100a I really thought that it would be a breezeway but not at all, it was legitimately tough all around, they really blew it out the paek
"The newer games are too easy" Also the newer games: Have the two hardest leagues in the whole franchise (BDSP and Indigo Disk) The problem was never the Exp Share, but rather the people can't tell the difference between forced grinding and difficulty
I'd also add USUM to the list of the hardest games. What makes the ID, BDSP and USUM difficult is that trainers have Pokemon with good IVs, they're EV trained and have optimized movesets and abilities.
@@jodyestrada65 That too! Not only that, BDSP and USUM and INCREDIBLE trainer AI to where they will switch out on you if need be. In USUM, trainers are using FULL HEALS if their Pokemon gets statused in addition to the Super Potions/Full Restores they already have. Interestingly though, SV including ID didn't have any NPCs use healing items at all.
Bro these guys actually kind of kicked my ass. I had swapped out my all bug team to start fresh for the end of the Teal Mask with my team consisting of Ogerpon, Araquanid, Elektross, Garchomp, Chi-Yu, and Magearna. All of them required the usage of items with Amarys and Lacey requiring a round two! The music being so intense really made those fights with only Drayden being a cake walk after letting my Magearna stack a few soul hearts lol (This was after reviving her since one of his bastard dragons hit her with a close combat turn 1).
What I like most abou them: They PROVE that they ARE the strongest: Amarys is stronger than Chispin - She uses Steel, that is weak agains Fire. Lacey is stronger than Amarys - She uses Fairy, that is weak against Steel. Drayton is stronger than Lacey - He uses Dragon, that is weak against Fairy. You can't prove me wrong these guys are very competitive, dedicated and experienced.
The personality of this Elite Four is great, even down to the Pokéballs they use. Drayton is a slacker that doesn’t put a ton of effort into things, but despite that his Mons are all in regular Pokéballs that don’t have a super high catch rate. This to me says it may not seem like it, but he puts effort in where it counts. Amarys is very rigid in sticking to a motif, and we see that directly in her catching steel types in a ball that would suit them; the Heavy Ball. She has a role and sticks to it, but she doesn’t seem addled at all about the burden. Lacey is kinda surprising, as you’d expect her to use Love Balls, but Nest Balls also fit her quite well. Out of the four she is by far the friendliest towards cute Pokémon, which are typically lower levels. This shows she got strong with effort, which she admits doing so by accident at some point. And Crispin, who is notoriously impatient and energetic, simply caught all his Pokémon in Quick Balls. Dude probably ran around Unova/ the Terrarium like a mad man, searching for the the spiciest Mon he could possibly find.
Not only was the BB League Elite Four made up of great characters, but these battles were an actual challenge! Shows that Gamefreak DOES know how to make Pokemon battles much more difficult. Really hoping difficulty options return in future generations. 🙏🏽
Compare and contrast to the old gens (yes people don't pretend only new gens do this) where the only pretense of difficulty is making the level higher which is plain fake difficulty because as soon as you even the levels they go back to dropping like flies.
Considering Unova is also where Game Freak decided to experiment with difficulty options in BW2, I can't help but feel like the entirety of Indigo Disk's design is a wink and a nod "yes we know, we hear you guys" Brings a tear to my eye...
One of the toughest elite four being a bunch of teenagers at some school mimics what our world is going through. Generation Z is the first generation to grow up with the internet at full force. Having access to so much information allows kids to learn skills a lot faster and more efficiently. Take basketball, for example. High schoolers today are doing dunks that could win an NBA dunk contest in the 70's. You NEVER saw teenagers doing 360 dunks back then. Young athletes are going into professional sports and destroying everyone. We are entering an age where kids are outperforming adults in skill and that's crazy to think about
The confirmation that these are canon kids of unova's gym leaders makes me wonder if a remake for black and white will have a BIG timeskip, I wonder what that would look like!
My fight with Crispin was the most enjoyable battle I’ve had in a while, he took down both my hard counters on the first turn but thanks to my Altaria bulking up with Cotton Guard and tanking most hits, I slowly chipped him down until I beat his Blaziken with my Decidueye in a battle of the starters…LOADS of fun
This song is actually really good, characterizes the elite four of blueberry's characters and status really well sounding less official and more like a club type thing.
Enjoy to the fullest!🎵🎨
Sorry for the delay!
Ummm, so, will you also do the theme for Lacey when you first meet her and the principal asks you to battle against her plusle and minun? She had a different theme then…
@@spinosaurhp9341That’s the regular trainer theme
If I remember correctly, Lacey uses the standard trainer battle theme in her first battle@@spinosaurhp9341
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Fire, Steel, Fairy, and Dragon are widely regarded as some of the most powerful types, these kids definitely did their homework
Of course, Lacey decided to throw in a surprise Ground Type on her team too, lol.
@@azurethescaletipper210being Clay’s daughter I would think she would’ve had a ground type or two but it’s a nice touch to see her use an Excadrill
Lacey also threw in a Quick Draw Slowbro
Not fire though, gets absolutely stopped by some rocks. Ground is a better type.
@@shironasama0445Yeah, but Crispin’s team is actually solid enough to cause someone fits if they’re unprepared.
The elite 4 is like the most anime elite boss thing ever.
-the energetic elite
-The diligent and smart one
-The girl with cute face but secretly a sadist.
-The prodigy kid.
Those are the trope of anime final boss with school theme.
And then Keiran, a champion, embodies the school bully trope. As he Pretty much become the school bully.
I wouldn't say Lacey is a sadist, the other ones work though.
I kinda think the Scarlet & Violet games should have an abridged series.
It has so much potential to be parodied than other Pokémon games.
Kill la Kill in a nutshell 😂
@@creepercraftice665
'You're the cutest lacey'
'ERRRR WRONG'
Never underestimating what an alcremie can do ever again
Mirror Herb goes BRRRRrr
Decorated Exca killed my entire party rip
Good thing I killed the cremie right away
Oh thaaaaaaaaaats the deal with her Alcremie. For some reason it never did anything cool when I fought it in this elite 4
That Decorate is definitely useful.
dear gamefreak please notice how everyone enjoyed how hard they were and continue doing this
also get into voice actors for your games pleeease 🙏
It was fun, but I still want something more challenging tbh. Make me sweat against a full lvl 95-100 competitive team.
Legit took me four tries to beat Crispin and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Call me a masochist, but slowly learning the ins and outs of a fight and refining my strategy to eventually come out on top is fun as heck
@@catscanhavelittleasalamiI was thinking the same thing, I genuinely think it would've been perfect if Kieran's pokemon were all level 100s to really cement he's in it for ALL the marbles. Kind of a missed opportunity. At least make them 95.
Was impressed Amarys took me out honestly I love how theese battles you cant just always rely on fast sweeping your opponent and i love it
if you check details and scroll down to the bottom, it’ll tell you the hometowns of these 4:
Crispin is from virbank
Lacey is from nimbasa
Amarys is from castelia
Drayton is from opelucid
Lacey is Elesa kid confirmed?! lmao
@@tomachu7899and her father Is clay
Well she does lead with Plusle and Minun in her first battle. Who knows@@tomachu7899
Drayton seems better than his grandfather and maybe on par with iris
I kinda pictured Crispin as someone training under Chilli in Striaton
@@hunterhq295 Crispin says his parents own a restaurant
Love Amarys finally dropping her guard and showing some personality in the selfie after you defeat her, they did a fantastic job with her character
Notice that she, the robotic person with a steel team, chose to do a heart symbol, reminiscent of the Tin Man from Wizard of Oz who wanted a heart
She had a robotic aesthetic to her but she isn't like a have no emotions person, she regularly shows emotions like clapping her hands, and saying whatever's on her mind, she just talks and presents herself really formally
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Amarys has a personality? Could have fooled me
Her face kinda reminds me of magearna...wonder if that's intentional
Not only is their theme a total banger, but they’ve got personality and are a challenge to battle too. I love these 4 so much, Crispin is probably my favorite because of his enthusiastic attitude and his easygoing way of thinking
Crispin is my fav too, the blunt (and a little stupid) types are always my favorite. And I love the way he hides behind his pan after losing. Drayton is a close second.
Mine is Lacey
Love Amarys since she got nice hair
Can we all agree these are all top tier designs, also crazy to think one of the toughtest Elite 4 is made up of kids
Considering they all seem to be kids of gym leaders, I'd say they had all the tools to be tough
meanwhile poppy is the youngest Elite4 member in the series at the age of 9
@@lightyoshimanHow old was Accerola again?
not sure but she sure don't look 9 @@CaliburXL99
One of the ?
Easily the hardest.
No other elite 4 even come close in term of raw difficulty.
Double battle so set mode forced, pretty high level, use strategies and objects.
Before them people considered Cynthia the hardest but unless you're playing nuzlock and never grind she doesn't even come close.
Fun Factoid: Drayton is Drayden's grandson, which isn't that hard to guess based on their characters
but Lacey also has a gym leader relative, Clay! If it wasn't obvious from her excadrill and hairpin, she says as much in a conversation with Nemona. Add on Lian, their Hisuian ancestor, and it seems the Clay family gets bigger every generation
So by relative do you mean dad or uncle?
How do you invite Nemona?
You can’t invite Nemona yet - I’m pretty sure you can after the update with the mythical Pokemon drops, and some people got their hands on that event early somehow
@@kactyys dammit..
@@kactyysthe event is already coded into the game, so all hackers need to do is hack in the item that triggers the event.
I’ve been playing Pokémon for about 20 years now, and these four gave me a challenge I hadn’t experienced in a very long time. Starting with a fresh new team for this DLC, winning with my favorites didn’t come down to just pressing “A” over and over again. But I actually had to determine optimal items, abilities, moves, and even entry order. Even then, all of my battles with them came down to 1 or 2 Pokémon left on my side not fainted, and that made those victories all the more satisfying.
That they built their teams explicilty to counter weaknesses too and exploit strategies (stealth rock + whirlwind, I FEEL ya Amarys! and Lacey knowing Fairies only have poison and steel to worry about, so she ends with Excadrill who hard counters both types....only to Tera Fairy and expose it's weaknesses.... Hey there's a reason the lazy dragon trainer surpassed her but A for the idea!)
@@MarioMastar Harvest Exeggutor and Decorate Alcremie were the biggest PAINS for me 😭
when you let the Galarian star tournament cook
you get the BB academy E4.
As someone who has played Pokemon for about 11 years now (crazy how time flies), these battles were some of the few fights in the series to actually get me to use healing items mid-battle. Normally I avoid doing that but after the hell Lacey put me through I didn't even try to beat Drayton without healing
While not a full looping chain, the BB League Elite 4 does have a weakness-related throughline to their typings.
Fire -> Steel -> Fairy -> Dragon
Notably, this is also the BB League ranking among the Elite 4 members, from lowest to highest.
In other words, an E4 who has a type advantage against another is always lower-rank than them, implying that they're able to consistently overcome the poor matchup as a sign of true strength.
ADDENDUM: Steel resists Dragon, and Fire resists Fairy, meaning that Crispin and Amarys actually have positive matchups against the *2* E4s ranked directly higher than them.
I noticed this too. Even though they can be fought in any order, it’s clear what the rankings are when reading their dialogue. Such a nice touch. Makes me wonder if other non-linear E4s have a similar dynamic to them that we just never get to hear about
The last time we ever have a pattern like that were the unova elite four
Steel + fairy + dragon is also quite a good core to have and is the mostly used core in VGC. Defensive wise it is way better than fire + water + grass
Little addendum here, it's funny that 3/4 of the BB E4 has an Ace that's Steel-type
Amarys' Dugtrio and Empoleon.
Lacey's Slowbro and Exadrill.
Drayton's Archaludon.
Shoutout to Lacey for being the first ever Fairy type Elite Four member in the entire series.
Also shoutout to Crispin for being a Fire type E4 that actually uses Fire types
@@edgargaebolg9307 Yeh, he has like ONE Grass type but it's still Fire themed because it's geared to exploit the sun that two of his mons can set up- one that he sends out immediately after one of the mons that can do that, the Talonflame.
@@ImFangzBroDefinitely better than Flint and his Drifblim, Steelix, and Lopunny. At least Drifblim makes a tiny amount of sense, being a dirigible.
@@Tkdboy-gk1wk Yeh, and it's a consistent thing across all of them. They all have a "coverage" mon. Drayton, for example, has a Sceptile.
@@ImFangzBroMega Sceptile is even a dragon type
I can't believe there was an option to rizz up Lacey and she flat-out denies you.
She gladly marks her personal space with an 'X', pretty based.
I did that xd
I would definitely try to rizz her up, she's a cutie patooty
*Me who wasn't aware of it being rizzing her up and was just gauging what she would say*
She really said 🙅♀️
Is incredible how an Elite 4 where all the members are kids could be that powerful.
We enrolled at the wrong school
They're unovan, of course they're goated
two of them are relatives to Unovan Gym leaders, so its not a big surprise. Lacey is Clay's daughter while Drayton is Drayden's grandson
Technically this isn’t the official Unova elite four
@@POKENAR
It's not confirmed in any way but I feel ike Crispin is related to alder
And amarys somehow reminds me of lenora
Leave it to Unova to have the hardest elite four battles
Unova is just goated like that
No
@@AstaXNoelleImagine being wrong
Common Unova W
@@AstaXNoelle”Unova ain’t all that” *Proceeds to praise Johto like it’s region or “story” was anything BUT boring* LOL
I was NOT expecting the theory of Lacey being related to Clay be confirmed true
Same. Nice that she's using the same ace as her dad, though, despite using a different type.
The very gesture of that is actually the cutest hecking thing so no wonder she does it@@wikiuser92
@@wikiuser92having it be Tera fairy makes up for it, I guess.
@@thelonemask It's the perfect setup too, just like Iono's Mismagius it actually had great synergy for an all-fairy team's ace, countering both Poison and Steel (and Fire for that matter)
It’s not completely confirmed in-game but it’s heavily implied and ppl online are pointing the clues to Clay being her dad/relative.
I loved how hard the battles were. Even though I lost a couple times, it means listening to this great music again
Double battles are awesome
"Modern pokemon games are too easy"
*this theme starts playing*
I love testing my competitive teams on them, cuz i know I won’t one shot everything
"L + outsped + focus sash, RIP BOZO" -Drayton, probably
Lurantis, Ultra Necrozma, Ribombeee, Cynthia in BDSP, Volo, the Starmobiles and Ogerpon would like to talk with you.
@Adrian-ze9ud bro you would not believe how many times i failed the lurantis trial in pokemon sun 😂
@@T_Bagz193 trust me, I would believe it.
Shout-out to Crispin for his Quick Balls
The man has a good taste.
Even Mela uses quick balls. It's always those fire type trainers
@PeekatChu. Well, fire type users are regarded as hot-headed (pun intended), so it makes sense that they use quick balls since their patience is questionable.
Also because “Magmar pulled out a quick ball from… well, somewhere”
These guys are no joke, I got my ass destroyed by the BB elite 4 but managed to beat them! Imagine someone is doing a nuzlocke 😨 that would be a blood bath ngl
Funny story
Yeah I also lost to all of them
Pkchall: watch this
If people can beat Emerald Kaizo, then they can beat this.
@@MilesBlake-t8fi managed to beat them all on my first try and i did it blind
This elite four really knocked it out of the park with this one. Drayton is easily my favorite. Given their ties to Unova, I'd love to see them again if they does anything more with Unova as a region, namely Lacey and Drayton, both of whom are confirmed to be relatives of Unovan gym leaders.
Yeah love how they kept playing him up as someone with a secret agenda who manipulates people when in the end he just wanted his friend back and it was Kieran he was trying to shut down cause his ego got too big, He didn't do anything evil or wicked at all. Though that could've just been Carmine worrying about her brother and Lacey is implied to be a case of "Beware the nice ones" given she's polite to your face but says really rude and hurtful things about you being a foreigner. even insisting that she doesn't like you being part of the club after you've fixed everything cause she just isn't comfortable with it. Though that's fairy type trainers for you.
@@MarioMastarAnd I didn’t understand what Lacey was trying to get at. Drayton and Carmine clearly knew Kieran became too strong for anyone at the academy to check him. Even Amarys, who clearly likes Kieran and was also against the player joining the BB League, had a change of heart after she lost to the player, as she also realized the player was their only chance of knocking some sense into Kieran.
I did not trust Drayton at first because how suspicious he looks but he turns out to be a chill dude. He's already my favorite out of the four.
"...ex-champion Kieran"
He's chill except for when he's not and I love that for him
@@alicestolze8327 He was probably the Champion before Kieran, obviously he took it personal when he lost to him for whatever reason. He wanted to knock him down a peg but couldn't get it done himself.
I think the implication was to make you think he was a Dark Type trainer as everything about his design and demeanor says "Dark type". But turns out he's just bummed because his friend went insane and he wants his old buddy back. This series is all about "Don't judge a book by it's cover." in the best possible way. Seemed to be the common theme between the S/V DLC stories.
Dude is just overall a slacker, a “Slifer Slacker” (that’s a YGO GX reference) who shines in battling
@@billx6545 He took it personally because Kieran made it personal people tends to forget Kieran became an asshole to everyone in the league club when he came back to school and from drayton and kierans dialog they weren't on good terms with each other either while Drayton was champion he didn't take it too seriously and just wanted to have fun Kieran on the other hand took it too seriously
I was expecting Unova Elite 4 theme but I’ll gladly take this song.
They didn't use the og theme for these elite 4 because nobody else truly can be the og unova elite 4 other than themselves
@@hydrawarrior6839this. I was kinda mad they didn't use the OG Unova E4 theme; however the kids actually having their own theme leaves them their own time to shine without taking the light of the OG's.
I didn't expect them to use. Cause even though they are elite 4, but they are BBA Elite Four. Not the Unova League Elite four. So their theme is unique to them. A liitle nuance here and there would have been good, but its fine either way.
@@hydrawarrior6839 Yet they suck
2:36 is a close enough reference to that theme
While I think their theme could have a bit more oomph to it, this is by far and away my favorite Elite Four group in the franchise. I absolutely love their designs (Drayton & Amarys are my faves), their personalities, and how they're a bunch of friends as well as academic peers. They can't be steamrolled with just one type, actually use competitive items, are the first Elite Four to have trials, and were a flippin' challenge to fight. We also have our first ever Fairy Elite Four member! Gosh, I love them all.
I always wondered how Fairy was never used in the Elite Four, but I am glad we have Lacey to be the first ever
I was very happy to learn Lacey was a fairy specialist
And as someone with fairy type favoritism, I was also happy to see how much ground type move coverage her team had for their main weaknesses; her ace being an Excadrill like her father was a perfect matchup in that regard!
Well now the only types that haven't been used in a Elite Four is Normal, Electric, and Grass
@@SourWine789crazy about the Normal type because they could easily come up with a NASTY competitive team with that one.
@nightraid998 yeah Normal types can be Op with the right combination, just look at Whitney's Miltank
Those kids were incredibly strong. I legit trained a competitive team and struggled.
No legit tho, Lacey’s Slowbro almost whooped my team silly….
Basically I pulled all the stops and brought my lv 100 Pokemons down on them.
And Drayton still managed to get me on the ropes in part because I forgot to bring enough Ice/Fairy moves against him.
Me too after lose against cripin 😅
if everything on my team wasn't level 100 and max ev trained, i definitely would've lost to them once or twice
it felt really refreshing to struggle during a battle can’t tell how long its been since me and my team lost a battle
my favorite thing about the BBA isn’t just the fact that they’re crazy strong, but they also employ common strategies that i’ve never seen before executed by NPCs
I love the fact that the person who acts as ur guide around the academy for a little bit, Lacey, is also the 2nd strongest elite four member. Ur unknowingly being guided around the academy by this rlly kind and sweet girl who could probably steamroll ur team if u weren't prepared. (She's also Pokémon's very first Fairy type E4 member!)
some of these replies 💀💀💀
Oh snap that’s true
Well, I lost to every elite 4 except Lacey. I obliterated her with Sludge Wave Choice spec tentacruel + a steel type pokemon.
She gave my new team trouble. Galvantula, Magmortor, Excadrill, Golurk, Lapras and Reuniclus.
@@aurelienlouesdon9880 you used steel and poison types against a fairy trainer 😭😭
@@aurelienlouesdon9880 wow you're so cool!! i wanna be you when you grow up 😱
In Unova, Elite Four can be battled in any order, but you can always create a chain of super-effective order from their types:
BW/2: Psychic > Fighting > Dark > Ghost
BBA: Fire > Steel > Fairy > Dragon
Here, this particular order is recommended by the game (you get a super-effective TM for the next challenge) but still not enforced.
Even better than this - there's a *suggested* order of progression, but they actually SCALE UP A BIT IN LEVEL when you progress from one to the next
Indigo Disk feels like "ok let's try everything we couldn't get to do in the main game on a smaller scale" and I love them for that. Exactly what the game as a whole needed, though it is definitely easier to do this with a more narrow difficulty curve + 4 trials to balance as opposed to 18. I'm glad to see it in any fashion
@@WishMakers Speaking of doing things they messed up in the main game… Geeta now sends her Glimmora first and Kingambit last. She even replaces Gogoat with Chesnaught and has a defensive type-changing Tera on her final mon.
@@ewormXDShe also has a Dragapult, replacing Veluza.
The only thing missing would be to have her Espathra use the infamously broken Speed Boost + Stored Power moveset
I wasn’t aware dragon is strong against fire
Never would I see the day where GF puts not only two Elite 4 groups in one game, but also make both groups very likeable AND have awesome music!
These battles and most of the dlc battles were brutal for a modern Pokémon game, I really like the challenge. Also this song goes hard and absolutely slaps
They had counters for almost anything coverage for each of their weaknesses they were a fun challenge
I'm surprised nobody mentioned that 0:44 is clearly a revamped version of the beta elite 4 theme for sun/moon. It was shown off at Japan Expo in 2016. Glad to see it got reused in some capacity! (for another e4 ironically). Honestly gave me nostalgia of when that got first shown off all those years back, time sure does fly. I also like how some alola pokemon were used in the dlc, i see you GF
HOLY SHIT that's wild thanks for pointing it out
I got Alola vibes from much more of this OST than this one track but that makes a lot of sense
@@WishMakers yeah I did too, especially with all the alolan pokemon in the coastal terrarium including lacey having primarina and kieran's incinaroar. Also you're welcome lol I couldn't help but point it out cause gen 7 is one of my favorite gens
tha black steel type specialist is top design beauty
Cause my homegirl stands on business!
I'm in love with Amarys' design. It's just perfect. So original and well put together.
Ngl pokemon black character designs look so original and cool
Agias!
She screams "I'm a steel trainer" so perfectly.
And, as someone who loves steel types, I'm up there with her.
I hate it
@@da45r Nintendo on their way to make the most beautiful black characters you've ever seen:
Amarys may act like a robot but she has the mind of a super computer when it comes to battling
Metagross as her ace
When I noticed she'd be Steel type specialist and that Metagross was returning, I had a strong feeling it'd be her ace.
The cool thing is that metagross can process things faster than a super computer so they make the perfect team
*Not a robot. In my opinion, she is autistic so she has the ability to think like a robot, in my opinion.*
Autism moment
Because that kind of behavior is sometimes found in autistic people, I like to headcanon that she has it.
"Decorate" and "Alcremie".
2 things that have surely been drilled into my brain as hard as Whitney's Miltank or Cynthia's Garchomp pulverized my behind decades ago
I got lucky. I knocked out Alcremie's partner the turn she used the move
@@awp4444 same
I knocked Alcremie out before it got a chance! I remembered how much of a badass it could be from SWSH.
I saw that and ensured to steamroll it (almost literally since I was using Corviknight) immediately afterwards.
I can say with full confidence that this is one of the hardest group of elite four I’ve ever faced. 3/4 battles left me with only one Pokemon left to fight. KEEP DOING THIS.
I honestly love all of their designs.
They're really great! They hit a home run with all of these. I would say one of the strongest sets of elite four designs.
I love how their group strongly embodies aspects of: Passion, Cuteness, Precision, and Cunning, for Crispen, Lacie, Amarys, and Drayden respectively.
Each one of their designs, battle preferences and personalities ties strongly into their makeup.
All their rematches, even when all of my pokemon are at level 100 max IV’s and EV’s these guys still give me a hard time. I just love it.
“You know what? Fine. You wanted Pokémon battles to be hard? CAUSE WE’RE GONNA MAKE THESE POKÉMON BATTLES HARD.”
Not only hard but fun as well not in the cheap BDSP E4 way
@@guguy00 how were the BDSP E4 cheap? they were genuinely difficult and their own strats, with maxed IV's and EV's and all.
@@lifelessons7401 Exactly that. After an easy game they suddenly throw up VGC worthy Pokemon. The difficulty spike was TOO extreme to be fun. At least the Indigo Disk warned you beforehand.
@@guguy00 I still enjoy BDSP's Elite Four though. After an absolutely insanely boring game, having something so engaging and challenging honestly saves the game (BDSP is still bad tho).
They weren't hard enough
Drayton is becoming my favorite without even trying
I mean he canonically NEVER tries in anything XD
Here's the Drayster Take:
In the wise words of drayton “”
yes queen give us nothing: the character
Basically, Pokémon's version of Sans.
Finally a CHALLENGING Elite Four and with a DOPE track!
Honwstly the last challenging Elite 4 before this was Unova's rematch Elite 4, all level 70's and full teams of 6. So glad they have items as well
As much as I like Penny, Nemona and arven, the dlc charakters have such nice designs and personalities. I really liked Carmine, Kieran, Drayton and espacially Lacey. Also Kieran was refreshing regarding the rivals we had the last years. A shame the dlcs were so short and we spent so little time with them. Oh and of course ir was nice, that is was challenging
Seeing these guys being so strong (and apparently just still training) and the stronger rematches with the Paldea Elite four and Champ makes me wonder how all the Elite Four members from previous Gens would be if they had the same level as them and more optimized teams.
We did get a good example of that in BDSP.
BDSP Elite Four had strong teams.
couldn’t agree more
I love Crispin with his 6 Magmortar Sandwich sense😂
Crispin is amazing. I felt so bad basically poisoning him with the spicy sandwich I made.
@nightperson1012 I love spicy food it doesn't affect me, just like Crispin!!🌶🍣
@@leafgreen20cruz I like spicy food, but I absolutely can't handle it, lol. I'm a wuss.
I like spicy food too
But it depends on my mood
I really wish I could give him Spicy Herbas through a Fuecoco trade. Arven complimenting his obsession on bringing that frying pan is a top tier reaction.
Started sweating bullets the moment Lacey set up Light Screen and Tailwind with Whimsicott.
for me it was when alcremie kept using decorate on slowbro and i couldn’t put either of them to sleep bc of its ability… this fight took me a few tries
My Annhilape clutched with 48 HP after a 4x Special Boosted Shell Side Arm and used Rage Fist.
But goddamn that was really really close
Aside from Slowbro, a Corviknight can destroy her team
Brotip: Kill Whimsicott and Alcremie right away when they come in if possible
@@QuasarBuasarEeveeTheUziFan Alternatively, keep Alcremie alive while focusing on sweeping the rest of the team, it will be near useless because it will try to use Decorate and fail everytime since there's no target. My boi Clodsire with Water-absorb, a Tera Poison and holding a Metronome while spamming Poison jab made most of the fight a cakewalk, especially when her Alcremie was on the battlefield.
Man it’s still insane to think that the Blueberry Elite Four is probably the most high-powered Elite Four in existence… they all use held items, Double Battles, and four of the most powerful types in existence.i have no doubt these kids would beat the shit out of 90% of the Elite Fours out there, the only one that could maybe keep up being the BDSP Sinnoh Rematches, which is insane.
It makes sense that this is the only non remixed theme from black and white of a concept that already existed in the previous game. That's because while they are the elite four, they are not the official unovan ones but only the academy ones so that explains why the theme is completely different
Let Crispin cook!
This battle will be down in a quick and professional manner.
Cuteness is strength!
Here's the Drayster take: You can battle with those recently caught Pokemon if you like a challenge.
And BOY was he a challenge. Had to fricken perish song his last two Pokémon and heal spam through the time limit. 😬
@@thelonemask I assume this was Drayton, right?
@@mr.gamewatch6165 Yes.
Totally did that with Drayton and steamrolled his team with his same best Pokemon
First BDSP, now Indigo Disk. Competitive Elite Fours should be a trend from after this and forward
Drayton wrecked me twice and I had to bring out my level 100 team to win. Even then, I still had to strategize in order to win! Glad to see a difficulty spike in this dlc!
I was SO tempted to use the team he had us catch cause he deserved that respect, but I only had enough resources to get Cincinno buffed up. Still put in work with rock blast taking down his flying dragons.
I got unlucky with Haxorus flinching and critting me on my first attempt, but eventually, my Pixilate Sylveon's Throat Spray Hyper Voice helped me a great deal against Drayton.
I would have been so mad if he made us use the terrarium team to fight him
*the opposing Blaziken used Temper Flare!*
*the opposing Reuniclus used Trick Room!*
*Quick Draw allowed the opposing Slowbro to move faster!*
I got nothing traumatising for Drayton his fight was actually the easiest for me
His archaludon destroyed me. His partner made the electroshock charge in the same turn.
*SCEPTILE BOOSTED HIS FUCKING HAXORUS*
@@tobysceptiman7058 Electro Shot is instant in rain
in theory weakness policy unburden sceptile is a goober threat
His Haxorus kept flinching my Sylveon with Iron Head, and then took it out with a crit. Annoying, to say the least.
I swear if people still say modern Pokémon is too easy, send them to these guys, like oml…
It is for mainline games This is DLC which means optional content.
If this was in the base game then definitely absolutely better but because this was released after all the complaints and is DLC it doesn't count.
If we’re going by that logic, the base game is also optional content because you’re not forced to play it.
@@conspiracyspider That argument hasn't been valid since the Alolan games though. The games got very easy during gen 6 but after that the difficulty went up and it's no easier than it was before. Guzma and Lusamine were some of the harder villains, Ultra Necrozma was actually hard, Giovanni was good, Mewtwo from LGPE was hard, Volo was ridiculous, etc. The main games had some great battles too, Ioni's Misdreavus for example was great. Go back to HGSS and tell me it's harder than modern Pokemon games. There are plenty of things to complain about regarding modern Pokemon but difficulty isn't one of them, they've only made it more fun
The exeggutor was the death of me I swear that thing was terrible
@@conspiracyspidera reason why difficulties option should be available for newer players and...veteran players, but it would take time to do that and Gamefreak is lazy
My headcanon is that Crispin isn’t really into training super hard and because he loves cooking and food, he just fed his pokemon a ton of exp candies
Coming from someone whos more of a casual player who doesnt know much of competitive, I LOVED how challenging the BB league was. I never really struggled with any elite four before since my first game was X and my pokemon were over leveled in BDSP, so it was fun having a nice challenge
Man that intro is rising tension. To not know how hard they will be, it was a blast having those battles with this theme.
This is the first time an elite 4 actually had me nearly loose.
They use competitive held items and strategies.
We might not have gotten a Battle frontier again, but this makes up for it
yeah, the only other elite 4s i lost to were BDSP which have semi-competetive teams when the player basically cant
and s/m because i had a garbage team and couldnt be bothered to make a new one
still never beat s/m
These trainers have the be some of the strongest ever! I really enjoyed their fights a lot.
WE'RE MAKING IT OUT OF THE ACADEMY WITH THIS ONE🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
yooooooooo
Gamefreak please im begging you, more fights like these in the future! The fact that I ACTUALLY LOST for the first time in a pokemon game since Ghetsis in Black and White was such an amazing feeling. The gloves REALLY came off with the BBA Elite four and champion, it was wonderful having to actually consider my next move carefully!
Pokemon always unintentionally release the best workout music lol
Crispin was the first one I fought, can’t say I was expecting his Speed Boost Blaziken to sweep my team with Temper Flare lol
*Vietnam war flashback* haha, yeah.. SB Blaziken..
His Exeggutor in the sun, stuffing its face with sitrus berries was tilting me. That thing wouldn't die.
seeing crispin with fire type: lemme put a ground type at the front of my party
crispin sent out talonflame and rotom!
me: F
I was expecting him to have a cinderace since, well, he looks and acts exactly like one
Lacey was a nightmare. I enjoyed our battle but she was extremely tough!
Edit: I love the elite four here! Very strong and some made me actually plan ahead. Definitely the right way to do pokemon battles. Make us THINK. We WANT a challenge this far in!
I'm only somewhat ashamed to admit that Lacey took me 5 tries because goddamn, that Primarina. When I first saw the Throat Spray item in the store I was like "that's so niche, when are you gonna use that?" And somewhere, Lacey laughed.
@alicestolze8327 oh you're fine! Lacey and Drayton were my two biggest problems! I can understand the frustration.
I'll probably never forget when I was fighting Crispin with my last pokemon that was outspeeding their Blaziken but not okhoing it and being like "please don't tell me it has speed boost..."
Gamefreak did not disappoint, I remember reading that they were going to make the battles tougher, let's just say I have a new respect for doubles battles 😅
I just realized it took 13 YEARS for a fairy elite 4 member
And yet no Grass type Elite Four
@@AI-DreigonGPT⚡️ too
Normal too @@baro27
10 years, actually, X and Y were released in 2013.
"I really wish I had a Pokémon with Follow Me right now" -- Me during all 4 of these battles
I did bring an Eviolite Clefairy to these matches and for real, follow me is so strong against AI
My headcannon is that Crispin is a distant nephew of Chili,Cress, and Cilan since they own a restaurant but he favors Chili more, and that Amarys is a distant neice of Lenora. It would be a cool throwback to the memory link cutscene that Lenora and Clay do work together/colleagues and now Clays daughter and Lenoras neice work together/are friends.
If you look at it amaris hair color looks similar to rose and peonie and they both use steel types I think she’s related to them
@@stachiosmalling2638 Then she would be Pennys cousin since Penny is confirmed to be Peoni's daughter and Penny is Peonia's sister. But I kinda doubt that Amarys is related to Peoni.
okay, they still know how to do challenging fights, NOW PLEASE DO IT EVERYTIME
Most fun I had with an Elite Four in a LONG time. Really enjoyed the challenge.
As soon as I heard this theme play in game I knew the BB League members were on an entirely different playing field with that synth sounding the way it does
And boy am I glad to be a competitive player
I like to believe that this Elite 4, being that they're school kids, embody a feeling of 'the next generation' with their new style of battling (i.e. doubles in an E4). They really do be 'breaking the mold'
I had so much fun with this DLC, it’s so fun and challenging, I only had Violet version but I went ahead and bought Scarlet and another switch just so I could play it again!! Lol
I deadass got excited when I battled these guys for the first few times with a dlc caught team and got wiped each time. Even with my competitive doubles team I struggled, easily the hardest E4 in the franchise, they need to keep doing stuff like this!
This was the first Elite Four to legitimately kick my ass, no matter how overleveled I was. Having to form an actual strategy in order to even approach them was... satisfying. Exciting, even. Like I had been missing something all these years.
Probably one of the best E4 themes, but also probably the best E4 we had in years.
Amarys is easily the coolest of the 4. Between her formidable Steel type crew and her badass way of speech, she definitely left quite the impression on me the most!
Highest leveled trainers prior to the DLC:
1. Cynthia (BDSP) 85.5 level average
2. Red (Lgpe) 85 level average
3. Red (HGSS) 83.6 level average
4. Iris (B2W2) 81.3 level average
5. Cynthia (B2W2) 80.3 level average
Highest leveled trainers after DLC:
1. Cyrano 86.5
2. Nemona 86.1
3. Kieren 85.8
4. Cynthia (BDSP) 85.5
5. Red (LgPE) 85
6/7. Penny Geeta 84.1
8/9/10. Drayton Lacey Amarys 83.8
11. Red (HGSS) 83.6
12. Crispin 82.8
13-18. Carmine Arven Rika Poppy Larry Hassel 82.1
19. Iris (B2W2) 81.3
20. Cynthia (B2W2) 80.3
Honestly coming into the dlc with a team full of lvl 100a I really thought that it would be a breezeway but not at all, it was legitimately tough all around, they really blew it out the paek
these battles were SOOO good! we wanted challenging, and they gave it to us! awesome characters too!
These 4 are defenitely not a joke, it was maybe one of the toughest battles I've ever had, and I loved them
"The newer games are too easy"
Also the newer games: Have the two hardest leagues in the whole franchise (BDSP and Indigo Disk)
The problem was never the Exp Share, but rather the people can't tell the difference between forced grinding and difficulty
I'd also add USUM to the list of the hardest games.
What makes the ID, BDSP and USUM difficult is that trainers have Pokemon with good IVs, they're EV trained and have optimized movesets and abilities.
@@CameraDiscipleJoshAnd good natures, to boot.
@@jodyestrada65 That too! Not only that, BDSP and USUM and INCREDIBLE trainer AI to where they will switch out on you if need be.
In USUM, trainers are using FULL HEALS if their Pokemon gets statused in addition to the Super Potions/Full Restores they already have.
Interestingly though, SV including ID didn't have any NPCs use healing items at all.
@@CameraDiscipleJosh Probably because Iono being able to heal her Mismagius would be outright insane.
Man these Unova kids are built different. Then again if I had to worry about a cult taking over my region, I would try to be prepared too.
Both the main game and the dlc elite four theme and characters are top tier
Nice job gen 9!
These fights strengthened my love for Porygon-Z. Thank you, Neo.
Bro these guys actually kind of kicked my ass. I had swapped out my all bug team to start fresh for the end of the Teal Mask with my team consisting of Ogerpon, Araquanid, Elektross, Garchomp, Chi-Yu, and Magearna. All of them required the usage of items with Amarys and Lacey requiring a round two! The music being so intense really made those fights with only Drayden being a cake walk after letting my Magearna stack a few soul hearts lol (This was after reviving her since one of his bastard dragons hit her with a close combat turn 1).
What I like most abou them:
They PROVE that they ARE the strongest:
Amarys is stronger than Chispin - She uses Steel, that is weak agains Fire.
Lacey is stronger than Amarys - She uses Fairy, that is weak against Steel.
Drayton is stronger than Lacey - He uses Dragon, that is weak against Fairy.
You can't prove me wrong these guys are very competitive, dedicated and experienced.
The personality of this Elite Four is great, even down to the Pokéballs they use.
Drayton is a slacker that doesn’t put a ton of effort into things, but despite that his Mons are all in regular Pokéballs that don’t have a super high catch rate. This to me says it may not seem like it, but he puts effort in where it counts.
Amarys is very rigid in sticking to a motif, and we see that directly in her catching steel types in a ball that would suit them; the Heavy Ball. She has a role and sticks to it, but she doesn’t seem addled at all about the burden.
Lacey is kinda surprising, as you’d expect her to use Love Balls, but Nest Balls also fit her quite well. Out of the four she is by far the friendliest towards cute Pokémon, which are typically lower levels. This shows she got strong with effort, which she admits doing so by accident at some point.
And Crispin, who is notoriously impatient and energetic, simply caught all his Pokémon in Quick Balls. Dude probably ran around Unova/ the Terrarium like a mad man, searching for the the spiciest Mon he could possibly find.
He's got a buncha Magmortars based on his elite challenge.
It so cool that this is a mix of the Unova Legendary, E4 and the beta S/M E4 themes.
Not only was the BB League Elite Four made up of great characters, but these battles were an actual challenge! Shows that Gamefreak DOES know how to make Pokemon battles much more difficult. Really hoping difficulty options return in future generations. 🙏🏽
Compare and contrast to the old gens (yes people don't pretend only new gens do this) where the only pretense of difficulty is making the level higher which is plain fake difficulty because as soon as you even the levels they go back to dropping like flies.
Considering Unova is also where Game Freak decided to experiment with difficulty options in BW2, I can't help but feel like the entirety of Indigo Disk's design is a wink and a nod "yes we know, we hear you guys"
Brings a tear to my eye...
One of the toughest elite four being a bunch of teenagers at some school mimics what our world is going through. Generation Z is the first generation to grow up with the internet at full force. Having access to so much information allows kids to learn skills a lot faster and more efficiently. Take basketball, for example. High schoolers today are doing dunks that could win an NBA dunk contest in the 70's. You NEVER saw teenagers doing 360 dunks back then. Young athletes are going into professional sports and destroying everyone. We are entering an age where kids are outperforming adults in skill and that's crazy to think about
i mean a kids brain is one for learning
so it'd make sense for things like that to happen
The confirmation that these are canon kids of unova's gym leaders makes me wonder if a remake for black and white will have a BIG timeskip, I wonder what that would look like!
You mean time skip with them as adults ? Because they could totally be already as old as they are here in the timeline of black and white
My fight with Crispin was the most enjoyable battle I’ve had in a while, he took down both my hard counters on the first turn but thanks to my Altaria bulking up with Cotton Guard and tanking most hits, I slowly chipped him down until I beat his Blaziken with my Decidueye in a battle of the starters…LOADS of fun
this beat goes so hard, specially if you are doing a blind Nuzlocke, the most terrifying Elite four I have faced
I love the small detail that Lacey has small gems in her hair pins. It really helps being her design back around to Clay.
This song is actually really good, characterizes the elite four of blueberry's characters and status really well sounding less official and more like a club type thing.
It's just Unova having excellent rivals, places and OST, no surprise.
Drayton should be a role model for all, even if you repeat the same year thrice you can still succeed
Really like the change of pace, since even Pokemon has geniuses. Poppy remain at the top given her age lol