Not enough cos they forgot to add stick tension adjustment, 1000hz wireless mode, and the ability to assign keyboard keys to buttons and keep them assigned without having an app open.
But they also made a mistake witht theire v2 ps5 verison that was fixed on a earlier controller. They reintroduced a horrible deadzones on the stick. Theire where alot of negative revieuws of the earlier model that they fixed it. and then just because the development team was to lazy to update the software. the reintroduced the deadzone problems on the new wolverine v2. And it took month for them to somewhat improve it again.
I was a controller gamer for 20+ years and was frustrated by stick drift for most of that. So it's great to finally see controller players getting Hall Effect.
After multiple elite controllers, forget the rubber grips and go with textured plastic. The rubber grips always give out and peel eventually so I think they were smart not putting them on there
Been using the Raver V2 for about 11/2-2 years now, best controller i've ever owned, hands down. To see the V3 coming out, giving everyone's wants from over the past year or so, makes me shed a tear. Thats the new controller after mine gets stick drift. Wow, great vid!
YES the first thing i noticed is they moved the two menu buttons to where I can actually reach them comfortably. have NO IDEA how they thought putting those two buttons way up on the upper-sides was a good idea its like no one actually tested the controller. Oh wow they improved my favorite controller (v2 Chroma) in EVERY way it looks like. Wireless too!? yes i'm a wolverine simp but this thing looks great. Yes $200 is a lot but compare it to other $200 controllers. those are NOT hall effect usually, they are NOT wireless, and they often do not have these nicer buttons.
I have giant hands in width, but relatively short fingers. I struggle so much with the buttons on my Wolverine V2 Chroma. I am interested in this new model.
Flydigi Apex would like a word with you at $179. The better buy is the V4 Pro which also has Hall Effect sticks, hall effect and mouse click triggers, and 1000hz polling rate at $79. The Razor is a bit overpriced right now
@LegendaryDrumr mouse click triggers suck, then you can't use it for any other types of games like racers etc. Trigger stops that you can adjust are better.
I bought the Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma about a year and a half ago. I had a bit of a hard time getting used to the Large Controller size at first. Now I just received the V3 pro and it is a lot smaller and I can tell I am going to have a hard time getting used to the new size all over again. But it is an awesome controller.
GameSir G7 SE. Wired, $40, hall effect, 2 programmable bumpers + all buttons reprogrammable, and bumper locks. Used mine for 2-3 years before moving to PC after gaming on Xbox for 20 years. Its incredible, if you absolutely must have wireless I guess this is cool but try it out gents.
@@ralphengland8559 Just letting everyone know my experience and that there are other options. I cant speak highly enough about the GameSir stuff, but glad to see other companies are hopping on the trend. I just couldnt pass up letting people know about one for $40 that performs better than anything ive ever had before. I play claw so I never really cared about paddles though.
OMG!!! This may be the one for me. I’ve been waiting for the Elite Series 3 but this wolverine seems to have everything I wanted from the the elite. I may have to “pull the trigger” on this one! Seems MUCH better than the Turtle Beach stealth!
The Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra is absolute garbage, probably the cheapest feeling pro controller on the market. Although, I probably won't be getting this Razer controller, mainly because of the polling rate only being good in wired mode.
I love my elite series 2 controller - however it has a high failure rate with its bumpers and joysticks failing and its not worth it at that price with such a high failure rate.
There's just a lot more alternatives in the market right now with literally the same tech implemented here at a much lower price, like I'm talking less than half the price of this Razer controller. Only reason I could think of to get this is if you're really in to that Razer aesthetic and willing to pay premium for it.
@@cjvvaliente "Razer Inc. (stylized as R Λ Z Ξ R) is an American-Singaporean[4][5][6] multinational corporation and technology company that makes, develops and sells consumer electronics, financial services, and gaming hardware. The brand was founded in 1998, then refounded in 2005[7] by Min-Liang Tan and Robert "RazerGuy" Krakoff, although the business originated in 1999 in the US".
@@cjvvaliente Yeah no shit you dumbahh, the point is that razer ist reputable company that is accessible for anyone and for me to get a Flydigi controller in my country I need to go on AliExpress or other Chinese shops
The biggest reason for having the paddle buttons more towards the middle of a controller is to help minimize the amount of accidental pushes while playing a game.
@@DudehoolikesairsoftI heard you still can’t remap the back buttons to keyboard functions on the newer v3 pro? If that’s the case then I’ll just stick to my Vader 4 pro. I still have the v2 pro too. A lot of $50 cheaper controllers can remap back buttons to keyboard functions so idk why razer can’t do this
If you maximize back paddle use for movement then having them in the middle sucks. I slide and jump with my main ones so I never have to push down on my sticks or lift my thumbs off them. Different strokes..
Ive been using the v2 chroma & the v2 pro since it came out, sure thebplacement i got used to but i think overall, this placement is better. Im grabbing it this week and ill see how it really feels@@Dudehoolikesairsoft
Thank you. I've been looking at loads of videos and yours convinced me to get this controller now. My scuff lasted me surprisingly 7 years but all the negative reviews got me to get this controller now!
honestly I think the flydigi Vader 4 pro is a better deal. It's only 80 bucks, has all the same features as this controller, and has adjustable tension on the joysticks which is nice. You can make them as light or as weighty as you want. Some people don't like the placement of the back buttons since 2 of them are slightly more centered like the ones on the razer v2 while the other 2 are on the grips but it's not that bad once you get used to it. I'd rather just extend my middle finger slightly to hit the other back button than have it right over top of the other one and risk accidentally pressing the wrong button. I think it's the best bang for the buck that you can find right now. The wireless dongle is also very snappy with good range. I was testing it out from all the way on the other side of my room and it responded to the button inputs instantaneously.
I've used the v2 extensively for several years now (thousands of hours). I didn't even know this came out until I realized that one of the buttons in my current controller started to flake out on me. I'll give the v3 a try.
The only thing this controller has that most competitors don't is the extra bumper buttons. Which is not worth the price point and there is no option to change the tension of the stick. Otherwise they definitely seem to be going in the right direction.
I've just ordered mines today. I currently have the Razer V2(not chroma) and looking to upgrade as I want 4 back paddles and wireless. Ive been looking at controllers for days researching, trying to decide between Elite 2 KK Max3 Flydigi Apex 4/Vader 4 pro Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra I was about to order the Apex 4 this morning then held off and by chance I see a news article announcing the Razer V3 release this evening It was fate 😁
Those are some interesting choices, but never ever make the mistake of getting the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra. It's the cheapest "pro" controller I've ever seen, and it's absolutely not worth the inflated price. From that list I'd recommend the Vader 4 Pro, but if you want more gimmicky features, you can get Apex 4. The KK3 Max is a solid choice too, as it has the best paddles I've ever seen on a pro controller, but it's inferior to the Flydigi controllers in every other area.
With so many controllers, I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I'm looking for a wireless controller that can quickly switch between Xbox and PC. Given how a lot of these 3rd party ones come with their own dongle, it seems that the only realistic way to switch the device is to unplug the dongle from one device and plug it into the next. Manually switching dongles is a dealbreaker, as it's quite a hassle to go around the TV furniture where my devices' USB slots reside and tinker back there. The official Xbox Series X can indeed switch with just a tap of the button, but this only works if the other connection is Bluetooth. This is very inconvenient, because the wireless dongle for Windows can't be used, but the dongle is the one that provides the most reliable connection rather than the bluetooth. The other issue is that the D-pad is way too noisy and clicky for my tastes.
I don't understand how the tournament one is so much more cheaper. Makes me feel like I am missing out on important features... But I'm not. Always play wired, don't care about a carrying case and rgb is irrelevant. Are those all the features?
@@terrorclawfulV3 Pro (Bluetooth/Xbox/PC) - avg. 11.4 ms. (Wired/Xbox/PC) - avg. 5.6ms. (Bluetooth/PC 1000hz tournament mode) - avg. 4.5ms. V3 Tournament wired controller is the on preorder for $99.99 with the only differences from the V3 Pro are no chroma lighting, no travel case, and no wireless. That being said it will be avg of 5.6 ms since V3 Pro has been tested for wired.
Word of warning, the Tournament Edition is NOT WIRELESS, you are literally buying the V2's biggest drawback with the new physical improvements of the V3
@@maestrochris12 Yeah not everyone is buying the V3 for xbox, wired is king on PC for the 1000hz polling rate. Also the V3 pro is severely overpriced for just wireless.
@@clutchyclutch263 Yea, I can see I'm part of the very small minority here 😅 I actually have the V2 Chroma and I love it but I ALWAYS had that wish of it being capable wireless connectivity so I don't have to bother with the cable all the time. I found out about the V3 yesterday and I went coo-coo like it was Cocoa Puffs, although I do agree that by comparison to the wired version it *is* massively overpriced just for the wireless capability. I'd be more accepting if it was 130 and maybe even 150 but 200? Dang
I havent had a controller since the wolverine TE. Was furious when they took it away. With the movement of the paddles on the v3 makes the feel similar to the TE. My TE just broke since release. Im sold on this.
Nearly perfect for me as well. The one thing it's missing is the ability to remap the back buttons to keyboard. Everything else about the controller is absolutely top shelf, high quality stuff. All I need is that additional bit of functionality and it'd be gamepad perfection.
Yess this is everything I was asking for too and been watching vids of you and other reviewers for months looking for the right controller to finally appear
If you are playing on PC only- Flydigi Vader 4Pro, Flydigi Apex 4, Machenike G5PRO V2 and G6PRO Nearlink will be much better solution in category: pice/quality. For Xbox need to buy a "special" dongle.
I would’ve agreed before but the wired is £99 lowkey think this could rival these controllers now. Vader 4 pro may out do it with the proprietary Hall effects they use but tbh for like £40 extra to have warranty and a higher quality build its 100% worth it imo
@@tt._.7857 How a wired model can be equal to wireless models? Anyway each person can chose what he likes. In my opinion, Wolverine 3Pro is overpriced. I had i few razer controllers and sold them.
I had the V2 tournament edition for awhile and I didn’t like the rear buttons at all. The V3 looks like the left t controller for me as they have made all the improvements I’d of liked. I’ll definitely consider the wired only tournament edition once it comes out. Great video!
How is the tension in the joysticks?the last controller had nearly no tension whatsoever. Made it horrible for fps. Nobody ever talks about the actual tension of the joysticks.
This controller brought me to your channel. I'll be watching more thanks to your top review(polling rates most interesting). You didn't mention the D-Pad but that's OK, NihongoGamer is the man for that job.
I have the Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition (the first) and i loved it, i bought 2 after a year. I didn't liked the v2 and i didn't bought it but now i m waiting for v3 and I'm going to buy it for sure (but the wired edition, i don't care about wireless). Nice Review btw !
Number one reason I liked the older versions was the placement of those back paddles. Easy enough to get to without accidentally pressing them. Hate the ones on the grips.
@@caleasthetic yeah I don't get it. Putting buttons where you physically need to hold on to the controller means you consciously have to make an effort not to press them depending on how you hold the controller. I really hope these don't hamper how you need to hold the controller. If this helps, imagine having buttons under your palms on a controller. They would be easy to reach but you couldn't hold on too tightly or would need to adjust your grip not to actuate them. That's annoying. There is always a middle ground, so I want to try this one and see if it works.
@@kadedone I do get your point of vieuw actually. It is very logical. But theire are controllers that have just enough resistance on the back buttons, that you dont activly need to focus on not pressing them. The steamdeck has buttons that are placed at such an angle that i dont accidentally press them. and the dualsense edge has the btttons just out of the way that i dont press them when i dont want to/
@@caleasthetic Yeah man so that's what I'm hoping for here. I'm just going off of how they look so far and since the buttons are now on the grip I see potential for issues. But I hope they end up like the controllers you mentioned that are able to resist accidental button presses. You may have better hand discipline than me though because I may tense my grip in certain situations as a reflex so if my finger is resting on a button or a paddle from the elite controllers I'll probably actuate it. I personally think the better solution is to put them in an easy to reach spot near the grip, but maybe not right under where your hand would naturally hold. I loved my v2 chroma so I hope this one works well despite how it looks to me.
It's so hard to justify prices like these when products like the 8bitdo Ultimate exist. While it may lack some of the features here, it can't be beat for $45 when on sale. Just ordered my second one yesterday for second player
It's nice to see the progression of this. I've owned two of the original Wolverine Ultimate. But switched to Flydigi which makes a better product for WAY cheaper. I have the Apex but the Vader 4 Pro is only $80 and has all of these features.
I've got the Apex and Vader Pro 4 - they're both the best controllers I've ever used. Mouse click triggers on Vader Pro 4 and the fastest polling rate among all controllers, very nice aesthetics and brilliant software customisation. Everyone should really take a look at FlyDigi controllers.
@@quintrapnell3605yeah the wired one is definitely a better deal considering that it has all the features of the normal one except a caring case and c'mon who needs that
Do the analog sticks on this controller have higher tension than the stock Xbox analog sticks, or are they designed to be just as ‘loose’ as the standard Xbox sticks?
Wolverine has my absolute favorite button layout(even the back buttons, although the new design looks nice)- I held out hope that newest version would let you program keyboard keys, what a downer. I got the Vader 4 a few days ago! And I’m loving it
Congratulations on hitting 100K subs! You deserve it Andy! I would like to know the latency of the XBOX Elite 2 controller added to your list. I personally like it. I got tired of buying cheap crap, and getting a poor experience, so now I only buy high end quality products. And yes, there is a higher initial cost, but over time I save money and frustration. Have a great day, Sir! o7
Elite Series 2 and ‘high quality’ don’t belong in the same sentence, the amount of user reports of stick drift and bumper button failure make it clear it’s not high quality inside.
Can you store multiple profiles on the controller and if not, can you switch profiles using the Xbox app WIRELESSLY or do you need to connect the cable to do so? Thanks
@@bb_11-26 firstly, thank you so much for replying. How do you switch between profiles on the controller if you have something like 4 different ones stored on the controller? Do you press the function button?
@@Justin-hh2kj Np bro, First of all, you need the razer app to create, edit, and change profiles. (The app is free and very easy to install on both xbox and windows) From my personal experience, the function button has not worked for changing profiles. But I do have a couple of buds who say theirs works, I may be doing something wrong or it’s just luck of the draw.
I remember people complaining the grips on V2 made it feel gigantic so I understand removing half of it but definitely makes it look like a cheap shortcut
Still using my Wolverine Ultimate from like 5 years ago, still no drift and better build quality than these new controllers. If my controller ever drifts I'll pick up one of these new ones simply because Ive come accustomed to the additional bumper buttons, they're a game changer.
It's not better than the new ones, I had a wolverine ultimate and have recently bought a wolverine v2 chroma, everything including build quality to features are much much better in v2. The only thing that is missing is the headphone sound control which I never used because I'm playing on a pc.
I want to buy the razer Wolverine v3 pro but I’m kind of waiting to see how the nacon revolution x unlimited is going to be. What do you guys think should I wait or just buy the razer?
I got the v2 earlier this year. The only issues I have is the back placement other than the wired. But it plays well facts great, having bigger hands makes those 2 extra bumpers op. Makes never removing thumb from stick a real thing
rubber covers are bad. Every rubber padded controller i've ever used the rubber grows from sweat and pops out and will never go back in. The non rubber pads sold this for me.
How's the quality of the vibration, if you use it? I like being able to use the same controller for both competitive and immersive games, but most rumble on controllers like this is terrible in comparison to something like the DS Edge.
Good review, but I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the battery at all. How much game time would a fully charged battery get you? Is the battery replaceable? Etc.
Okay so the “1000hz wired pc competitive mode” is that exclusive to PC? Or can you also get 1000hz on Xbox? The way you talk about it makes it sound like you can only take advantage of the 1000hz polling rate if you’re playing wired up to a PC
I got the v2 a couple of months ago, but the features on the tournament edition with the price is definitely worth it compared to most other controllers I’ve seen. I’ll have to get it when mine starts to get stick drift.
I’m so glad they brought the old back button layout back! I absolutely hate those stick like back buttons they added. Edit: for some reason the V3 pro has been out of stock on Amazon for a year now 😢 you can only get used ones. So I’m stuck to using this one with the stupid hard to reach back buttons
I plan using the v3 pro wired on on series x. How do I access the 1000hrtz mode? Is it automatic or is the a software change I have to make. I heard the razor logo goes red when it's in that mode.
I got the nacon revolution pro 5 for my ps5 and happy with it. Great battery life. The only negative I can say about it is the 2 back buttons that are placed at the bottom of the part where you hold the controller. I don’t use back buttons much so I don’t need those 2 any way so it’s not a big deal to me
Flydigi Apex & Vader 4’s run 1000hz wirelessly. Razer still lacking in that dept. Although the flydigi controllers don’t work on Xbox and PlayStation, just PC and Switch.
@@fourtyxx7306Because it's not up to them. Microsoft are the ones who decide which 3rd party companies can make an official wireless controller for Xbox.
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. Sure. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla and got 950hz wirelessly. I didn't have to wear a dumb jacket to do it either, haha
Really love my V2 pro, so if this ever gets a PlayStation version, I'll definitely buy it since I prefer PlayStation controllers over Xbox. This basically fixes every issue I have with the V2 pro and the original wolverine except for the d-pad
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Razer has absolutely been watching reviews and making modifications based off of them for at least a year now. Great strategy imo.
They took new solutions from Chinease developers.
200$ is kinda crazy for a console that sells at a loss and charges 200$ for storage.
Not enough cos they forgot to add stick tension adjustment, 1000hz wireless mode, and the ability to assign keyboard keys to buttons and keep them assigned without having an app open.
But they also made a mistake witht theire v2 ps5 verison that was fixed on a earlier controller. They reintroduced a horrible deadzones on the stick. Theire where alot of negative revieuws of the earlier model that they fixed it. and then just because the development team was to lazy to update the software. the reintroduced the deadzone problems on the new wolverine v2.
And it took month for them to somewhat improve it again.
@@quintrapnell3605 xbox = pc, so this controller is mostly for pc players that may also have an xbox
I was a controller gamer for 20+ years and was frustrated by stick drift for most of that. So it's great to finally see controller players getting Hall Effect.
Plenty of controller models used it in the past. I've got two PS3 controllers with it. They have no drift or limp sticks even after 12 years of use.
@thebritishviking Sega dreamcast controller was the first to implement it, iirc.
@@StardustLegacyFighter The Dreamcast controller uses traditional potentiometer-based analog sticks.
was? not anymore?
@@KevKlopper I switched over to Mouse and KB about 4 years ago just for something different.
After multiple elite controllers, forget the rubber grips and go with textured plastic. The rubber grips always give out and peel eventually so I think they were smart not putting them on there
Been using the Raver V2 for about 11/2-2 years now, best controller i've ever owned, hands down. To see the V3 coming out, giving everyone's wants from over the past year or so, makes me shed a tear. Thats the new controller after mine gets stick drift. Wow, great vid!
YES the first thing i noticed is they moved the two menu buttons to where I can actually reach them comfortably. have NO IDEA how they thought putting those two buttons way up on the upper-sides was a good idea its like no one actually tested the controller. Oh wow they improved my favorite controller (v2 Chroma) in EVERY way it looks like. Wireless too!? yes i'm a wolverine simp but this thing looks great. Yes $200 is a lot but compare it to other $200 controllers. those are NOT hall effect usually, they are NOT wireless, and they often do not have these nicer buttons.
I have giant hands in width, but relatively short fingers. I struggle so much with the buttons on my Wolverine V2 Chroma.
I am interested in this new model.
Flydigi Apex would like a word with you at $179. The better buy is the V4 Pro which also has Hall Effect sticks, hall effect and mouse click triggers, and 1000hz polling rate at $79. The Razor is a bit overpriced right now
@@LegendaryDrumryou’re forgetting the extra two buttons on top which no other controller offers not to mention this is officially licensed for Xbox
@@LegendaryDrumragree
@LegendaryDrumr mouse click triggers suck, then you can't use it for any other types of games like racers etc. Trigger stops that you can adjust are better.
I bought the Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma about a year and a half ago. I had a bit of a hard time getting used to the Large Controller size at first. Now I just received the V3 pro and it is a lot smaller and I can tell I am going to have a hard time getting used to the new size all over again. But it is an awesome controller.
buying this for Balatro
This made me laugh 😂
GameSir G7 SE. Wired, $40, hall effect, 2 programmable bumpers + all buttons reprogrammable, and bumper locks. Used mine for 2-3 years before moving to PC after gaming on Xbox for 20 years. Its incredible, if you absolutely must have wireless I guess this is cool but try it out gents.
There's a wired only version of the v3 too. It's much cheaper.
@@ralphengland8559 Just letting everyone know my experience and that there are other options. I cant speak highly enough about the GameSir stuff, but glad to see other companies are hopping on the trend. I just couldnt pass up letting people know about one for $40 that performs better than anything ive ever had before. I play claw so I never really cared about paddles though.
Doesn’t have trigger locks, false statements
@@nazarethproductions7095 meant bumper locks, but I edited the comment. The new Pro edition coming out is wireless and appears to have hair triggers
@@NHGAFWYUTB can’t wait for that announcement, you think by this year it will be released?
OMG!!! This may be the one for me. I’ve been waiting for the Elite Series 3 but this wolverine seems to have everything I wanted from the the elite. I may have to “pull the trigger” on this one! Seems MUCH better than the Turtle Beach stealth!
It is much better
The Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra is absolute garbage, probably the cheapest feeling pro controller on the market.
Although, I probably won't be getting this Razer controller, mainly because of the polling rate only being good in wired mode.
try flydiji APEX 4 - way better than this overpriced piece of a failure
I love my elite series 2 controller - however it has a high failure rate with its bumpers and joysticks failing and its not worth it at that price with such a high failure rate.
@@ProstoTelo Is that the one you’re using?
There's just a lot more alternatives in the market right now with literally the same tech implemented here at a much lower price, like I'm talking less than half the price of this Razer controller. Only reason I could think of to get this is if you're really in to that Razer aesthetic and willing to pay premium for it.
This controllers is more for the casual players on the market that don't want to buy some Chinese controller and some adapter to play in their console
@@Teilzeit02 They are all from China, so you can quit with that bigoted bs
Gamesir G7 SE👍👍👍
@@cjvvaliente
"Razer Inc. (stylized as R Λ Z Ξ R) is an American-Singaporean[4][5][6] multinational corporation and technology company that makes, develops and sells consumer electronics, financial services, and gaming hardware. The brand was founded in 1998, then refounded in 2005[7] by Min-Liang Tan and Robert "RazerGuy" Krakoff, although the business originated in 1999 in the US".
@@cjvvaliente Yeah no shit you dumbahh, the point is that razer ist reputable company that is accessible for anyone and for me to get a Flydigi controller in my country I need to go on AliExpress or other Chinese shops
The paddles are what sold it for me. Ordered mine 30 second ago.
This is the best controller ever made. But Im more interested in the wired version. Definitely a must buy.
The biggest reason for having the paddle buttons more towards the middle of a controller is to help minimize the amount of accidental pushes while playing a game.
Yeah don't like the placement on the new one. Love my V2.. v3 isn't an option for me
@@DudehoolikesairsoftI heard you still can’t remap the back buttons to keyboard functions on the newer v3 pro? If that’s the case then I’ll just stick to my Vader 4 pro. I still have the v2 pro too.
A lot of $50 cheaper controllers can remap back buttons to keyboard functions so idk why razer can’t do this
If you maximize back paddle use for movement then having them in the middle sucks. I slide and jump with my main ones so I never have to push down on my sticks or lift my thumbs off them. Different strokes..
Ive been using the v2 chroma & the v2 pro since it came out, sure thebplacement i got used to but i think overall, this placement is better. Im grabbing it this week and ill see how it really feels@@Dudehoolikesairsoft
Thank you. I've been looking at loads of videos and yours convinced me to get this controller now. My scuff lasted me surprisingly 7 years but all the negative reviews got me to get this controller now!
honestly I think the flydigi Vader 4 pro is a better deal. It's only 80 bucks, has all the same features as this controller, and has adjustable tension on the joysticks which is nice. You can make them as light or as weighty as you want. Some people don't like the placement of the back buttons since 2 of them are slightly more centered like the ones on the razer v2 while the other 2 are on the grips but it's not that bad once you get used to it. I'd rather just extend my middle finger slightly to hit the other back button than have it right over top of the other one and risk accidentally pressing the wrong button. I think it's the best bang for the buck that you can find right now. The wireless dongle is also very snappy with good range. I was testing it out from all the way on the other side of my room and it responded to the button inputs instantaneously.
I've used the v2 extensively for several years now (thousands of hours). I didn't even know this came out until I realized that one of the buttons in my current controller started to flake out on me. I'll give the v3 a try.
Did you give it a go yet?
The 100 USD wired one miight be too much of a good deal to pass on....
Absolutely, thats a crazy deal for what you get compared to the competitors like scuf, I use wired anyways - no brainer.
Double the price just for wireless ... Damn !
@@mytwinflameband right whats the difference because wired is better
@@Rick-ds8pe until they do batteries i wont buy wireless its a scam
Gullikit kk3 is everything this controller is for less than half the price
The only thing this controller has that most competitors don't is the extra bumper buttons. Which is not worth the price point and there is no option to change the tension of the stick. Otherwise they definitely seem to be going in the right direction.
I've just ordered mines today. I currently have the Razer V2(not chroma) and looking to upgrade as I want 4 back paddles and wireless. Ive been looking at controllers for days researching, trying to decide between
Elite 2
KK Max3
Flydigi Apex 4/Vader 4 pro
Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra
I was about to order the Apex 4 this morning then held off and by chance I see a news article announcing the Razer V3 release this evening
It was fate 😁
Vader 4 pro will do you justice and it’s 80 dollars
Those are some interesting choices, but never ever make the mistake of getting the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra.
It's the cheapest "pro" controller I've ever seen, and it's absolutely not worth the inflated price.
From that list I'd recommend the Vader 4 Pro, but if you want more gimmicky features, you can get Apex 4.
The KK3 Max is a solid choice too, as it has the best paddles I've ever seen on a pro controller, but it's inferior to the Flydigi controllers in every other area.
Don’t get the kk3 nor the turtle beach. They suck
With so many controllers, I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I'm looking for a wireless controller that can quickly switch between Xbox and PC. Given how a lot of these 3rd party ones come with their own dongle, it seems that the only realistic way to switch the device is to unplug the dongle from one device and plug it into the next. Manually switching dongles is a dealbreaker, as it's quite a hassle to go around the TV furniture where my devices' USB slots reside and tinker back there.
The official Xbox Series X can indeed switch with just a tap of the button, but this only works if the other connection is Bluetooth. This is very inconvenient, because the wireless dongle for Windows can't be used, but the dongle is the one that provides the most reliable connection rather than the bluetooth. The other issue is that the D-pad is way too noisy and clicky for my tastes.
Does the 1000hz mode only work for pc? Or could I plug it into an Xbox and put it in 1000hz mode?
Pc only
I don't understand how the tournament one is so much more cheaper. Makes me feel like I am missing out on important features... But I'm not. Always play wired, don't care about a carrying case and rgb is irrelevant. Are those all the features?
1000hz and hall effect sticks better paddles
@@Ruzien the tournament one also has hall effect sticks and better paddles, i have no clue if its 1000hz tho but it probably is
Wireless, RGB, carrying case is the only difference
@@terrorclawfulV3 Pro (Bluetooth/Xbox/PC) - avg. 11.4 ms. (Wired/Xbox/PC) - avg. 5.6ms. (Bluetooth/PC 1000hz tournament mode) - avg. 4.5ms. V3 Tournament wired controller is the on preorder for $99.99 with the only differences from the V3 Pro are no chroma lighting, no travel case, and no wireless. That being said it will be avg of 5.6 ms since V3 Pro has been tested for wired.
It has everything except wireless and a carrying case.
cant wait for tournament edition, thats prop gonna be my go to
Word of warning, the Tournament Edition is NOT WIRELESS, you are literally buying the V2's biggest drawback with the new physical improvements of the V3
@@maestrochris12 Yeah not everyone is buying the V3 for xbox, wired is king on PC for the 1000hz polling rate. Also the V3 pro is severely overpriced for just wireless.
@@maestrochris12wireless is useless. Who would play wireless? I want as little input delay as possible
@@maestrochris12 people buy wired for lower latency my guy
@@clutchyclutch263 Yea, I can see I'm part of the very small minority here 😅 I actually have the V2 Chroma and I love it but I ALWAYS had that wish of it being capable wireless connectivity so I don't have to bother with the cable all the time. I found out about the V3 yesterday and I went coo-coo like it was Cocoa Puffs, although I do agree that by comparison to the wired version it *is* massively overpriced just for the wireless capability. I'd be more accepting if it was 130 and maybe even 150 but 200? Dang
I havent had a controller since the wolverine TE. Was furious when they took it away. With the movement of the paddles on the v3 makes the feel similar to the TE. My TE just broke since release. Im sold on this.
Nearly perfect for me as well. The one thing it's missing is the ability to remap the back buttons to keyboard. Everything else about the controller is absolutely top shelf, high quality stuff. All I need is that additional bit of functionality and it'd be gamepad perfection.
I just ordered this controller looks pretty darn nice.
I’ve been using the Wolverine Ultimate religiously for the last 2 years: those extra bumper buttons are so keen
Can you test the xbox series wireless controller both wireless and plugged in using your latency tester?
Yess this is everything I was asking for too and been watching vids of you and other reviewers for months looking for the right controller to finally appear
Flydigi Vader pro 4 is probably the second best controller on the market. Behind the Apex 3
is theire going to be a ps5 version with all of these new changes? because the xbox version lacks a gyroscope.
Does this controller have haptics in the triggers? Impulse triggers?
If you are playing on PC only- Flydigi Vader 4Pro, Flydigi Apex 4, Machenike G5PRO V2 and G6PRO Nearlink will be much better solution in category: pice/quality. For Xbox need to buy a "special" dongle.
I would’ve agreed before but the wired is £99 lowkey think this could rival these controllers now. Vader 4 pro may out do it with the proprietary Hall effects they use but tbh for like £40 extra to have warranty and a higher quality build its 100% worth it imo
@@tt._.7857 How a wired model can be equal to wireless models?
Anyway each person can chose what he likes. In my opinion, Wolverine 3Pro is overpriced. I had i few razer controllers and sold them.
@@Psychotoxic86Flydigi has an awful back button design and their input delay is awful.
@@tt._.7857 lol Vader 4 pro is 1000hz wireless what input delay are you talking about
@@Psychotoxic86 shit yeah true, i always forget people use wireless lol
I loved the old paddle design and I have relatively small hands 🫤
Bro that’s the only reason I like the Wolverine ultimate welp guess I’ll be running that controller too the wheels fall off
I had the V2 tournament edition for awhile and I didn’t like the rear buttons at all. The V3 looks like the left t controller for me as they have made all the improvements I’d of liked. I’ll definitely consider the wired only tournament edition once it comes out. Great video!
How is the tension in the joysticks?the last controller had nearly no tension whatsoever. Made it horrible for fps. Nobody ever talks about the actual tension of the joysticks.
Yeah this is huge for me as well.
You mean the v2 chroma? That’s way too sensitive the sticks. I can’t handle fps games with it
Paddles seems in good positions
Great review, well spoken and lots of points discussed.
This controller brought me to your channel. I'll be watching more thanks to your top review(polling rates most interesting). You didn't mention the D-Pad but that's OK, NihongoGamer is the man for that job.
I have the Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition (the first) and i loved it, i bought 2 after a year. I didn't liked the v2 and i didn't bought it but now i m waiting for v3 and I'm going to buy it for sure (but the wired edition, i don't care about wireless). Nice Review btw !
Number one reason I liked the older versions was the placement of those back paddles. Easy enough to get to without accidentally pressing them. Hate the ones on the grips.
Yeah man! Same here! I hope these new ones can work as well but doesn't look as good as the previous ones being out of the way
@@kadedone strange, 90% of people like the buttons on the grops more then the buttons that are more out of the way.
@@caleasthetic yeah I don't get it. Putting buttons where you physically need to hold on to the controller means you consciously have to make an effort not to press them depending on how you hold the controller. I really hope these don't hamper how you need to hold the controller. If this helps, imagine having buttons under your palms on a controller. They would be easy to reach but you couldn't hold on too tightly or would need to adjust your grip not to actuate them. That's annoying. There is always a middle ground, so I want to try this one and see if it works.
@@kadedone I do get your point of vieuw actually. It is very logical. But theire are controllers that have just enough resistance on the back buttons, that you dont activly need to focus on not pressing them.
The steamdeck has buttons that are placed at such an angle that i dont accidentally press them. and the dualsense edge has the btttons just out of the way that i dont press them when i dont want to/
@@caleasthetic Yeah man so that's what I'm hoping for here. I'm just going off of how they look so far and since the buttons are now on the grip I see potential for issues. But I hope they end up like the controllers you mentioned that are able to resist accidental button presses. You may have better hand discipline than me though because I may tense my grip in certain situations as a reflex so if my finger is resting on a button or a paddle from the elite controllers I'll probably actuate it. I personally think the better solution is to put them in an easy to reach spot near the grip, but maybe not right under where your hand would naturally hold. I loved my v2 chroma so I hope this one works well despite how it looks to me.
It's so hard to justify prices like these when products like the 8bitdo Ultimate exist. While it may lack some of the features here, it can't be beat for $45 when on sale. Just ordered my second one yesterday for second player
An impressive product that I'd totally snag on sale below $150. Fantastic review!
It's nice to see the progression of this. I've owned two of the original Wolverine Ultimate. But switched to Flydigi which makes a better product for WAY cheaper. I have the Apex but the Vader 4 Pro is only $80 and has all of these features.
Would the Vader 4 Pro work with a Series X, or are they PC/PlayStation only?
@@madMARTYNmarsh1981 unfortunately this is their biggest issue. PC and Switch only. It costs a lot of money to license for console play.
I've got the Apex and Vader Pro 4 - they're both the best controllers I've ever used. Mouse click triggers on Vader Pro 4 and the fastest polling rate among all controllers, very nice aesthetics and brilliant software customisation. Everyone should really take a look at FlyDigi controllers.
I use the Apex 4 on my series x via an adapter, and it works great . It's 1000hrtz polling out of the box.
@@tcrviper which adapter? Wingman adapter? Also, doesn't Xbox limited the polling rate for all controllers?
First video I watched. Subbed 👍💪
There's no affiliate link btw..
its on Amazon though for 200$ I just looked.
@@quintrapnell3605yeah the wired one is definitely a better deal considering that it has all the features of the normal one except a caring case and c'mon who needs that
Do the analog sticks on this controller have higher tension than the stock Xbox analog sticks, or are they designed to be just as ‘loose’ as the standard Xbox sticks?
They need to make the rumble packs removable. Controller is way too heavy.
Or just ditch them in a pro controller!
So the controller has rumble?
Do a few push-ups
@@geekinasabI just don't like rumble myself sucks but yeah a controller being heavy is tragic lmfao
All preference bro some people like a heavier controller. I know I do
hows this compare to the g7 se?
This should be the perfect device for gaming handhelds like the ally, plenty of buttons for easy shortcuts
can you compare input lag with Dual Sense Edge?
You can't use the extra buttons for keyboard keys? What a bummer 😢
Probably gonna grab a Vader 4 pro.
Wolverine has my absolute favorite button layout(even the back buttons, although the new design looks nice)- I held out hope that newest version would let you program keyboard keys, what a downer. I got the Vader 4 a few days ago! And I’m loving it
@@tdubbleu76ill have to look into this vader...
Flydigi back buttons are awful, can’t even use 4 fingers.
@@mitchellgarcia4061 Why is that an issue?
Yes, you can. In wolverine V2 for example I have one of the extra buttons assign to F5 for quick saving in games.
Congratulations on hitting 100K subs! You deserve it Andy!
I would like to know the latency of the XBOX Elite 2 controller added to your list. I personally like it. I got tired of buying cheap crap, and getting a poor experience, so now I only buy high end quality products. And yes, there is a higher initial cost, but over time I save money and frustration.
Have a great day, Sir! o7
Elite Series 2 and ‘high quality’ don’t belong in the same sentence, the amount of user reports of stick drift and bumper button failure make it clear it’s not high quality inside.
Does it have built in deadzone issue the v2 chroma has ? Please respond
Can you store multiple profiles on the controller and if not, can you switch profiles using the Xbox app WIRELESSLY or do you need to connect the cable to do so? Thanks
yes to having multiple profiles, not completely sure about your other question tho....
@@bb_11-26 firstly, thank you so much for replying. How do you switch between profiles on the controller if you have something like 4 different ones stored on the controller? Do you press the function button?
@@Justin-hh2kj Np bro, First of all, you need the razer app to create, edit, and change profiles. (The app is free and very easy to install on both xbox and windows) From my personal experience, the function button has not worked for changing profiles. But I do have a couple of buds who say theirs works, I may be doing something wrong or it’s just luck of the draw.
@@Justin-hh2kj Also not sure about there being any limits.
I remember people complaining the grips on V2 made it feel gigantic so I understand removing half of it but definitely makes it look like a cheap shortcut
Not sure if this can beat my flydij apex 4 controller or even the Xbox elite pro 2
How is the d-pad for fighting games?
Buy the Razer Kitsune, you will never play with a normal pad again, game changer for fighting games
Still using my Wolverine Ultimate from like 5 years ago, still no drift and better build quality than these new controllers. If my controller ever drifts I'll pick up one of these new ones simply because Ive come accustomed to the additional bumper buttons, they're a game changer.
It's not better than the new ones, I had a wolverine ultimate and have recently bought a wolverine v2 chroma, everything including build quality to features are much much better in v2. The only thing that is missing is the headphone sound control which I never used because I'm playing on a pc.
For me, it's always the bumpers that wear out first. Bumper Jumper. Will these things last?
Just got the flydigi vader 4 🔥 absolutely love it
I want to buy the razer Wolverine v3 pro but I’m kind of waiting to see how the nacon revolution x unlimited is going to be. What do you guys think should I wait or just buy the razer?
I'm waiting, too.
This is still better than the ops v3 from PowerA at least
Have you done any latency tests on the Scuf Envision Pro?
Did you have any battery life test?
Seems like you're paying extra for the brand name compared to something like the Flydigi Vader 4 Pro?
The 360 wired controller is actually almost 2 decades old. It released at the end of 2005.
Is there a remapping options for the sticks to put in southpaw?
I’m still holding onto my v1 cause I just really find the mic mute button very useful. Plus, no issues after all these years.
This controller is in a class above the elite series 2. This is what we would have expected from an elite series 3.
So have you retested the latency? Is it lower now on 1000hz mode. Wondering if it is worth the switch from my v2 chroma
Can you adjust the tension on the sticks ?
Why do you have to be wired for pc mode? Isnt the apex 4 1000hz wirelessly?
I got the v2 earlier this year. The only issues I have is the back placement other than the wired. But it plays well facts great, having bigger hands makes those 2 extra bumpers op. Makes never removing thumb from stick a real thing
rubber covers are bad. Every rubber padded controller i've ever used the rubber grows from sweat and pops out and will never go back in. The non rubber pads sold this for me.
I think they shouldve added ajustable tension like the elite 2, rubber rapped around, and joystick deadzone calibration feature in the software.
interesting....I wonder why they limit the polling?
How's the quality of the vibration, if you use it? I like being able to use the same controller for both competitive and immersive games, but most rumble on controllers like this is terrible in comparison to something like the DS Edge.
Do the sides of the controller light up?
you can overclock the dongle it reach 500 polling rate, 2ms imput lag
Can you customize all buttons or only the extra buttons ?
are stick as stiff as razer wolwerine v2 chroma?
Are the rear paddles removable?
how would you rank it compared to the Scuf Envision? It's only for PC but seems to be very similar
Do you know what the battery life is?
Good review, but I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the battery at all. How much game time would a fully charged battery get you? Is the battery replaceable? Etc.
Around 20 hours, but it will vary depending on the brightness of the RGB and vibration strength.
Okay so the “1000hz wired pc competitive mode” is that exclusive to PC? Or can you also get 1000hz on Xbox? The way you talk about it makes it sound like you can only take advantage of the 1000hz polling rate if you’re playing wired up to a PC
Looks like this will be my next controller. I don’t mind paying a premium for a controller that should last me a long time
I got the v2 a couple of months ago, but the features on the tournament edition with the price is definitely worth it compared to most other controllers I’ve seen. I’ll have to get it when mine starts to get stick drift.
Is the DPad good?
I want it for platformers and fighting games
I’m so glad they brought the old back button layout back! I absolutely hate those stick like back buttons they added. Edit: for some reason the V3 pro has been out of stock on Amazon for a year now 😢 you can only get used ones. So I’m stuck to using this one with the stupid hard to reach back buttons
Is the v3 going to come out for the ps5
is control freaks compatible ?
I plan using the v3 pro wired on on series x. How do I access the 1000hrtz mode? Is it automatic or is the a software change I have to make. I heard the razor logo goes red when it's in that mode.
I got the gamesir g7 HE, but I recently found out that gyro aiming is king for controllers 👑 does the V3 have gyro? I dont wanna get the edge man 😂
What about D-Pad is it the same as v2 chroma?
I got the nacon revolution pro 5 for my ps5 and happy with it. Great battery life. The only negative I can say about it is the 2 back buttons that are placed at the bottom of the part where you hold the controller. I don’t use back buttons much so I don’t need those 2 any way so it’s not a big deal to me
Flydigi Apex & Vader 4’s run 1000hz wirelessly. Razer still lacking in that dept. Although the flydigi controllers don’t work on Xbox and PlayStation, just PC and Switch.
That’s my main complaint with flydigi! Why not make the apex and Vader for console??? Even if I have to switch to a 250hz Xbox mode
@@fourtyxx7306Because it's not up to them.
Microsoft are the ones who decide which 3rd party companies can make an official wireless controller for Xbox.
Except they actually don’t. Watch VCudas latest video on the Vader 4
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla wirelessly and got 950hz polling.
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. Sure. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla and got 950hz wirelessly. I didn't have to wear a dumb jacket to do it either, haha
Can you compare the turtle beach controller to this?
Really love my V2 pro, so if this ever gets a PlayStation version, I'll definitely buy it since I prefer PlayStation controllers over Xbox. This basically fixes every issue I have with the V2 pro and the original wolverine except for the d-pad
So kontrolfreak fit?
ya
@@clutchyclutch263 normal Xbox ones ? Cause they didn’t fit the v2