Not enough cos they forgot to add stick tension adjustment, 1000hz wireless mode, and the ability to assign keyboard keys to buttons and keep them assigned without having an app open.
But they also made a mistake witht theire v2 ps5 verison that was fixed on a earlier controller. They reintroduced a horrible deadzones on the stick. Theire where alot of negative revieuws of the earlier model that they fixed it. and then just because the development team was to lazy to update the software. the reintroduced the deadzone problems on the new wolverine v2. And it took month for them to somewhat improve it again.
I was a controller gamer for 20+ years and was frustrated by stick drift for most of that. So it's great to finally see controller players getting Hall Effect.
Been using the Raver V2 for about 11/2-2 years now, best controller i've ever owned, hands down. To see the V3 coming out, giving everyone's wants from over the past year or so, makes me shed a tear. Thats the new controller after mine gets stick drift. Wow, great vid!
After multiple elite controllers, forget the rubber grips and go with textured plastic. The rubber grips always give out and peel eventually so I think they were smart not putting them on there
YES the first thing i noticed is they moved the two menu buttons to where I can actually reach them comfortably. have NO IDEA how they thought putting those two buttons way up on the upper-sides was a good idea its like no one actually tested the controller. Oh wow they improved my favorite controller (v2 Chroma) in EVERY way it looks like. Wireless too!? yes i'm a wolverine simp but this thing looks great. Yes $200 is a lot but compare it to other $200 controllers. those are NOT hall effect usually, they are NOT wireless, and they often do not have these nicer buttons.
I have giant hands in width, but relatively short fingers. I struggle so much with the buttons on my Wolverine V2 Chroma. I am interested in this new model.
Flydigi Apex would like a word with you at $179. The better buy is the V4 Pro which also has Hall Effect sticks, hall effect and mouse click triggers, and 1000hz polling rate at $79. The Razor is a bit overpriced right now
@LegendaryDrumr mouse click triggers suck, then you can't use it for any other types of games like racers etc. Trigger stops that you can adjust are better.
Thank you. I've been looking at loads of videos and yours convinced me to get this controller now. My scuff lasted me surprisingly 7 years but all the negative reviews got me to get this controller now!
OMG!!! This may be the one for me. I’ve been waiting for the Elite Series 3 but this wolverine seems to have everything I wanted from the the elite. I may have to “pull the trigger” on this one! Seems MUCH better than the Turtle Beach stealth!
The Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra is absolute garbage, probably the cheapest feeling pro controller on the market. Although, I probably won't be getting this Razer controller, mainly because of the polling rate only being good in wired mode.
I love my elite series 2 controller - however it has a high failure rate with its bumpers and joysticks failing and its not worth it at that price with such a high failure rate.
I've just ordered mines today. I currently have the Razer V2(not chroma) and looking to upgrade as I want 4 back paddles and wireless. Ive been looking at controllers for days researching, trying to decide between Elite 2 KK Max3 Flydigi Apex 4/Vader 4 pro Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra I was about to order the Apex 4 this morning then held off and by chance I see a news article announcing the Razer V3 release this evening It was fate 😁
Those are some interesting choices, but never ever make the mistake of getting the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra. It's the cheapest "pro" controller I've ever seen, and it's absolutely not worth the inflated price. From that list I'd recommend the Vader 4 Pro, but if you want more gimmicky features, you can get Apex 4. The KK3 Max is a solid choice too, as it has the best paddles I've ever seen on a pro controller, but it's inferior to the Flydigi controllers in every other area.
GameSir G7 SE. Wired, $40, hall effect, 2 programmable bumpers + all buttons reprogrammable, and bumper locks. Used mine for 2-3 years before moving to PC after gaming on Xbox for 20 years. Its incredible, if you absolutely must have wireless I guess this is cool but try it out gents.
@@ralphengland8559 Just letting everyone know my experience and that there are other options. I cant speak highly enough about the GameSir stuff, but glad to see other companies are hopping on the trend. I just couldnt pass up letting people know about one for $40 that performs better than anything ive ever had before. I play claw so I never really cared about paddles though.
The biggest reason for having the paddle buttons more towards the middle of a controller is to help minimize the amount of accidental pushes while playing a game.
@@DudehoolikesairsoftI heard you still can’t remap the back buttons to keyboard functions on the newer v3 pro? If that’s the case then I’ll just stick to my Vader 4 pro. I still have the v2 pro too. A lot of $50 cheaper controllers can remap back buttons to keyboard functions so idk why razer can’t do this
If you maximize back paddle use for movement then having them in the middle sucks. I slide and jump with my main ones so I never have to push down on my sticks or lift my thumbs off them. Different strokes..
Ive been using the v2 chroma & the v2 pro since it came out, sure thebplacement i got used to but i think overall, this placement is better. Im grabbing it this week and ill see how it really feels@@Dudehoolikesairsoft
There's just a lot more alternatives in the market right now with literally the same tech implemented here at a much lower price, like I'm talking less than half the price of this Razer controller. Only reason I could think of to get this is if you're really in to that Razer aesthetic and willing to pay premium for it.
@@cjvvaliente "Razer Inc. (stylized as R Λ Z Ξ R) is an American-Singaporean[4][5][6] multinational corporation and technology company that makes, develops and sells consumer electronics, financial services, and gaming hardware. The brand was founded in 1998, then refounded in 2005[7] by Min-Liang Tan and Robert "RazerGuy" Krakoff, although the business originated in 1999 in the US".
@@cjvvaliente Yeah no shit you dumbahh, the point is that razer ist reputable company that is accessible for anyone and for me to get a Flydigi controller in my country I need to go on AliExpress or other Chinese shops
Congratulations on hitting 100K subs! You deserve it Andy! I would like to know the latency of the XBOX Elite 2 controller added to your list. I personally like it. I got tired of buying cheap crap, and getting a poor experience, so now I only buy high end quality products. And yes, there is a higher initial cost, but over time I save money and frustration. Have a great day, Sir! o7
Elite Series 2 and ‘high quality’ don’t belong in the same sentence, the amount of user reports of stick drift and bumper button failure make it clear it’s not high quality inside.
Yess this is everything I was asking for too and been watching vids of you and other reviewers for months looking for the right controller to finally appear
My Wolverine Ultimate is finally shitting the bed, bit of drift, rumble can cause random controller disconnect, and the corner of a trigger cracked off... she served me well! I definitely feel the latency issues as an Xbox player... Microsoft needs to do better if they ever make another Xbox.
honestly I think the flydigi Vader 4 pro is a better deal. It's only 80 bucks, has all the same features as this controller, and has adjustable tension on the joysticks which is nice. You can make them as light or as weighty as you want. Some people don't like the placement of the back buttons since 2 of them are slightly more centered like the ones on the razer v2 while the other 2 are on the grips but it's not that bad once you get used to it. I'd rather just extend my middle finger slightly to hit the other back button than have it right over top of the other one and risk accidentally pressing the wrong button. I think it's the best bang for the buck that you can find right now. The wireless dongle is also very snappy with good range. I was testing it out from all the way on the other side of my room and it responded to the button inputs instantaneously.
I havent had a controller since the wolverine TE. Was furious when they took it away. With the movement of the paddles on the v3 makes the feel similar to the TE. My TE just broke since release. Im sold on this.
I've used the v2 extensively for several years now (thousands of hours). I didn't even know this came out until I realized that one of the buttons in my current controller started to flake out on me. I'll give the v3 a try.
I had the V2 tournament edition for awhile and I didn’t like the rear buttons at all. The V3 looks like the left t controller for me as they have made all the improvements I’d of liked. I’ll definitely consider the wired only tournament edition once it comes out. Great video!
It's nice to see the progression of this. I've owned two of the original Wolverine Ultimate. But switched to Flydigi which makes a better product for WAY cheaper. I have the Apex but the Vader 4 Pro is only $80 and has all of these features.
I've got the Apex and Vader Pro 4 - they're both the best controllers I've ever used. Mouse click triggers on Vader Pro 4 and the fastest polling rate among all controllers, very nice aesthetics and brilliant software customisation. Everyone should really take a look at FlyDigi controllers.
I bought the Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma about a year and a half ago. I had a bit of a hard time getting used to the Large Controller size at first. Now I just received the V3 pro and it is a lot smaller and I can tell I am going to have a hard time getting used to the new size all over again. But it is an awesome controller.
The only thing this controller has that most competitors don't is the extra bumper buttons. Which is not worth the price point and there is no option to change the tension of the stick. Otherwise they definitely seem to be going in the right direction.
This controller brought me to your channel. I'll be watching more thanks to your top review(polling rates most interesting). You didn't mention the D-Pad but that's OK, NihongoGamer is the man for that job.
I don't understand how the tournament one is so much more cheaper. Makes me feel like I am missing out on important features... But I'm not. Always play wired, don't care about a carrying case and rgb is irrelevant. Are those all the features?
@@terrorclawfulV3 Pro (Bluetooth/Xbox/PC) - avg. 11.4 ms. (Wired/Xbox/PC) - avg. 5.6ms. (Bluetooth/PC 1000hz tournament mode) - avg. 4.5ms. V3 Tournament wired controller is the on preorder for $99.99 with the only differences from the V3 Pro are no chroma lighting, no travel case, and no wireless. That being said it will be avg of 5.6 ms since V3 Pro has been tested for wired.
I have the Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition (the first) and i loved it, i bought 2 after a year. I didn't liked the v2 and i didn't bought it but now i m waiting for v3 and I'm going to buy it for sure (but the wired edition, i don't care about wireless). Nice Review btw !
How is the tension in the joysticks?the last controller had nearly no tension whatsoever. Made it horrible for fps. Nobody ever talks about the actual tension of the joysticks.
Great video but i am curious to know your thoughts on the d pad? I've been looking for a controller with a D pad that would be good for fighting games.
Good review, but I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the battery at all. How much game time would a fully charged battery get you? Is the battery replaceable? Etc.
Word of warning, the Tournament Edition is NOT WIRELESS, you are literally buying the V2's biggest drawback with the new physical improvements of the V3
@@maestrochris12 Yeah not everyone is buying the V3 for xbox, wired is king on PC for the 1000hz polling rate. Also the V3 pro is severely overpriced for just wireless.
@@clutchyclutch263 Yea, I can see I'm part of the very small minority here 😅 I actually have the V2 Chroma and I love it but I ALWAYS had that wish of it being capable wireless connectivity so I don't have to bother with the cable all the time. I found out about the V3 yesterday and I went coo-coo like it was Cocoa Puffs, although I do agree that by comparison to the wired version it *is* massively overpriced just for the wireless capability. I'd be more accepting if it was 130 and maybe even 150 but 200? Dang
Still using my Wolverine Ultimate from like 5 years ago, still no drift and better build quality than these new controllers. If my controller ever drifts I'll pick up one of these new ones simply because Ive come accustomed to the additional bumper buttons, they're a game changer.
It's not better than the new ones, I had a wolverine ultimate and have recently bought a wolverine v2 chroma, everything including build quality to features are much much better in v2. The only thing that is missing is the headphone sound control which I never used because I'm playing on a pc.
I’m so glad they brought the old back button layout back! I absolutely hate those stick like back buttons they added. Edit: for some reason the V3 pro has been out of stock on Amazon for a year now 😢 you can only get used ones. So I’m stuck to using this one with the stupid hard to reach back buttons
I love how ALL these companies throw so much bullshit saying stuff like "this will make you a better gamer/you will have the competitive edge". And then the reviewers go ahead and suck at every game they test to debunk that shit.
If you are playing on PC only- Flydigi Vader 4Pro, Flydigi Apex 4, Machenike G5PRO V2 and G6PRO Nearlink will be much better solution in category: pice/quality. For Xbox need to buy a "special" dongle.
I would’ve agreed before but the wired is £99 lowkey think this could rival these controllers now. Vader 4 pro may out do it with the proprietary Hall effects they use but tbh for like £40 extra to have warranty and a higher quality build its 100% worth it imo
@@tt._.7857 How a wired model can be equal to wireless models? Anyway each person can chose what he likes. In my opinion, Wolverine 3Pro is overpriced. I had i few razer controllers and sold them.
How's the quality of the vibration, if you use it? I like being able to use the same controller for both competitive and immersive games, but most rumble on controllers like this is terrible in comparison to something like the DS Edge.
I got the v2 earlier this year. The only issues I have is the back placement other than the wired. But it plays well facts great, having bigger hands makes those 2 extra bumpers op. Makes never removing thumb from stick a real thing
Does it come with Tall thumbsticks? Also how is the shape in hand compared to a classic xbox/gamesir controller? I want to get a unit but it's hard to decide considering Razer is holding off the TE release to sell more "Pro" units..
@@quintrapnell3605yeah the wired one is definitely a better deal considering that it has all the features of the normal one except a caring case and c'mon who needs that
This definitely peaks my interest as I have been waiting for a wireless Xbox controller with rear paddles/buttons and hall effect sensors. Last year's Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra failed on me within days so it was returned immediately. This might be worth checking out especially because Microsoft has yet to even hint at a Elite Series 3 controller.
As a PC gamer i have used an original PS5 controller but it recently got stick drift so now i preordered the 8bitdo ultimate 2c (Wukong edition wireless), it has hall effect sticks and triggers and a 1000hz polling rate in wireless and wired mode for only $30 ($35 for the wukong edition). Might be worth taking a look at for you as a content creator.
I got the nacon revolution pro 5 for my ps5 and happy with it. Great battery life. The only negative I can say about it is the 2 back buttons that are placed at the bottom of the part where you hold the controller. I don’t use back buttons much so I don’t need those 2 any way so it’s not a big deal to me
It's so hard to justify prices like these when products like the 8bitdo Ultimate exist. While it may lack some of the features here, it can't be beat for $45 when on sale. Just ordered my second one yesterday for second player
Do the analog sticks on this controller have higher tension than the stock Xbox analog sticks, or are they designed to be just as ‘loose’ as the standard Xbox sticks?
I got the v2 a couple of months ago, but the features on the tournament edition with the price is definitely worth it compared to most other controllers I’ve seen. I’ll have to get it when mine starts to get stick drift.
Does it vibrate? I was considering one, PS5 compatible model instead of previous XBOX because it was wireless, but they say "it didnt have vibration because for competetiveness" i was like bruh just add the option to turn that off.. I love the vibration feedback!
Do the impulse triggers actually work with xbox games now? I've tried a few of "the best 3rd party xbox controllers" and despite them advertising trigger vibrations all they actually did was vibrate the triggers when the controller vibrated. I play a tonne of F1 and really need the proper trigger vibrations that the game sends to the triggers on the official xbox controller.
Number one reason I liked the older versions was the placement of those back paddles. Easy enough to get to without accidentally pressing them. Hate the ones on the grips.
@@caleasthetic yeah I don't get it. Putting buttons where you physically need to hold on to the controller means you consciously have to make an effort not to press them depending on how you hold the controller. I really hope these don't hamper how you need to hold the controller. If this helps, imagine having buttons under your palms on a controller. They would be easy to reach but you couldn't hold on too tightly or would need to adjust your grip not to actuate them. That's annoying. There is always a middle ground, so I want to try this one and see if it works.
@@kadedone I do get your point of vieuw actually. It is very logical. But theire are controllers that have just enough resistance on the back buttons, that you dont activly need to focus on not pressing them. The steamdeck has buttons that are placed at such an angle that i dont accidentally press them. and the dualsense edge has the btttons just out of the way that i dont press them when i dont want to/
@@caleasthetic Yeah man so that's what I'm hoping for here. I'm just going off of how they look so far and since the buttons are now on the grip I see potential for issues. But I hope they end up like the controllers you mentioned that are able to resist accidental button presses. You may have better hand discipline than me though because I may tense my grip in certain situations as a reflex so if my finger is resting on a button or a paddle from the elite controllers I'll probably actuate it. I personally think the better solution is to put them in an easy to reach spot near the grip, but maybe not right under where your hand would naturally hold. I loved my v2 chroma so I hope this one works well despite how it looks to me.
Wolverine has my absolute favorite button layout(even the back buttons, although the new design looks nice)- I held out hope that newest version would let you program keyboard keys, what a downer. I got the Vader 4 a few days ago! And I’m loving it
I want to buy the razer Wolverine v3 pro but I’m kind of waiting to see how the nacon revolution x unlimited is going to be. What do you guys think should I wait or just buy the razer?
How'd you say you reviewed the v2 chroma which is like 2-3 years old recently. You missed the review for it's successor the V2 Pro it's an upgrade from the v2
Really love my V2 pro, so if this ever gets a PlayStation version, I'll definitely buy it since I prefer PlayStation controllers over Xbox. This basically fixes every issue I have with the V2 pro and the original wolverine except for the d-pad
Honestly in my experience the Tournament Wolverine is way more durable than the Chroma V2 (have had 3 tournaments and 2 Chroma v2). Just feels like the quality has went down with the newer releases. The V3 Pro is almost 3 times more expensive than the disappointing V2. I ended up going for the Vader 4 Pro which feels amazing but can't speak on its durability. It's nice to see a larger company adapt hall effect thumbsticks though and hope they go for a more affordable price point as there's similar options at half the price.
i was a huge fan of the Razer Raiju. was the best ive used. i will look to get this one. the two i currently have both also really good. FLYDIGI Vader 4 Pro and the PDP Victrix Pro BFG love these ones.
How does this compare to the Gulikit KK3 Max? I just replaced my elite 2 after the bumpers stopped working (again, second time in 8 months) The KK3 is good but it's a pain to set up. So thwe Wolverine v3 might be my next pick.
I remember people complaining the grips on V2 made it feel gigantic so I understand removing half of it but definitely makes it look like a cheap shortcut
Is the 1000Hz polling only functional on PC? If I use this wired on Xbox is it going to be limited to the 250Hz? I only ever play with my controllers wired. What self respecting gamer uses wireless? (That was a joke) The v3 Tournament Edition is gonna be the one I wait for. Unfortunately I’m limited to playing on the Series X so I’m sure the 1000Hz polling won’t work for me but everything else about this controller is a slam dunk win for Razer.
How's the Dpad? A lot of Western controller makers seem to ignore the Dpad for us fighting game players because of other games using the Dpad more as a "utility" rather than a primary source of inputs. That hair-trigger bumper switch is essentially bringing back the PS1/PS2 era L2/R2 buttons. That is exactly what I want since I don't play any games that rely on analog trigger controls. But I'm worried about that Dpad... I always consider the PS1-PS3 dpads the best and I've yet to find a non-Sony controller that can match it when it comes to fighting games.
try the xbox series controller w/ the circular clicky dpad. not the elite. feels a lot better to me than the mushy dualsense ones but personal preference
@@Teilzeit02 Well that's what I mean, you need proper calibration tools to ensure the HE thumb sticks work well, and these tools/apps simply do not exist yet for most controllers. Maybe open source/ GIT Hub will have something, but it has to be compatible with the entire controller, not just the thumb stick.
@@albatronafredo942 No, Gamesir or Gulikit have the best ha modules on the market with Flydigi. These HA modules smoke every normal stick module. If razer isn't completely horrible at their job they did it probably well
Flydigi Apex & Vader 4’s run 1000hz wirelessly. Razer still lacking in that dept. Although the flydigi controllers don’t work on Xbox and PlayStation, just PC and Switch.
@@fourtyxx7306Because it's not up to them. Microsoft are the ones who decide which 3rd party companies can make an official wireless controller for Xbox.
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. Sure. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla and got 950hz wirelessly. I didn't have to wear a dumb jacket to do it either, haha
Can you store multiple profiles on the controller and if not, can you switch profiles using the Xbox app WIRELESSLY or do you need to connect the cable to do so? Thanks
@@bb_11-26 firstly, thank you so much for replying. How do you switch between profiles on the controller if you have something like 4 different ones stored on the controller? Do you press the function button?
@@Justin-hh2kj Np bro, First of all, you need the razer app to create, edit, and change profiles. (The app is free and very easy to install on both xbox and windows) From my personal experience, the function button has not worked for changing profiles. But I do have a couple of buds who say theirs works, I may be doing something wrong or it’s just luck of the draw.
I have been waiting for a Hall Effect controller that can wirelessly connect to my series X. After having to buy 3 Elite controllers because of stick drift. I am on board.
I have the the v2 chroma, loved it but those top 2 back buttons broke on me twice. I got big hand so I liked the placement of the back buttons. I’ll pick up the wired version and see if it feels good in the hands
Id love to see you compare this to the flydigi apex 4 which states 1000hz both wired and wireless. I have the flydigi and love it but the back buttons on the Razer look so much more appealing to me
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Razer has absolutely been watching reviews and making modifications based off of them for at least a year now. Great strategy imo.
They took new solutions from Chinease developers.
200$ is kinda crazy for a console that sells at a loss and charges 200$ for storage.
Not enough cos they forgot to add stick tension adjustment, 1000hz wireless mode, and the ability to assign keyboard keys to buttons and keep them assigned without having an app open.
But they also made a mistake witht theire v2 ps5 verison that was fixed on a earlier controller. They reintroduced a horrible deadzones on the stick. Theire where alot of negative revieuws of the earlier model that they fixed it. and then just because the development team was to lazy to update the software. the reintroduced the deadzone problems on the new wolverine v2.
And it took month for them to somewhat improve it again.
@@quintrapnell3605 xbox = pc, so this controller is mostly for pc players that may also have an xbox
I was a controller gamer for 20+ years and was frustrated by stick drift for most of that. So it's great to finally see controller players getting Hall Effect.
Plenty of controller models used it in the past. I've got two PS3 controllers with it. They have no drift or limp sticks even after 12 years of use.
@thebritishviking Sega dreamcast controller was the first to implement it, iirc.
@@StardustLegacyFighter The Dreamcast controller uses traditional potentiometer-based analog sticks.
was? not anymore?
@@KevKlopper I switched over to Mouse and KB about 4 years ago just for something different.
Been using the Raver V2 for about 11/2-2 years now, best controller i've ever owned, hands down. To see the V3 coming out, giving everyone's wants from over the past year or so, makes me shed a tear. Thats the new controller after mine gets stick drift. Wow, great vid!
After multiple elite controllers, forget the rubber grips and go with textured plastic. The rubber grips always give out and peel eventually so I think they were smart not putting them on there
YES the first thing i noticed is they moved the two menu buttons to where I can actually reach them comfortably. have NO IDEA how they thought putting those two buttons way up on the upper-sides was a good idea its like no one actually tested the controller. Oh wow they improved my favorite controller (v2 Chroma) in EVERY way it looks like. Wireless too!? yes i'm a wolverine simp but this thing looks great. Yes $200 is a lot but compare it to other $200 controllers. those are NOT hall effect usually, they are NOT wireless, and they often do not have these nicer buttons.
I have giant hands in width, but relatively short fingers. I struggle so much with the buttons on my Wolverine V2 Chroma.
I am interested in this new model.
Flydigi Apex would like a word with you at $179. The better buy is the V4 Pro which also has Hall Effect sticks, hall effect and mouse click triggers, and 1000hz polling rate at $79. The Razor is a bit overpriced right now
@@LegendaryDrumryou’re forgetting the extra two buttons on top which no other controller offers not to mention this is officially licensed for Xbox
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@LegendaryDrumr mouse click triggers suck, then you can't use it for any other types of games like racers etc. Trigger stops that you can adjust are better.
Thank you. I've been looking at loads of videos and yours convinced me to get this controller now. My scuff lasted me surprisingly 7 years but all the negative reviews got me to get this controller now!
OMG!!! This may be the one for me. I’ve been waiting for the Elite Series 3 but this wolverine seems to have everything I wanted from the the elite. I may have to “pull the trigger” on this one! Seems MUCH better than the Turtle Beach stealth!
It is much better
The Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra is absolute garbage, probably the cheapest feeling pro controller on the market.
Although, I probably won't be getting this Razer controller, mainly because of the polling rate only being good in wired mode.
try flydiji APEX 4 - way better than this overpriced piece of a failure
I love my elite series 2 controller - however it has a high failure rate with its bumpers and joysticks failing and its not worth it at that price with such a high failure rate.
@@ProstoTelo Is that the one you’re using?
I've just ordered mines today. I currently have the Razer V2(not chroma) and looking to upgrade as I want 4 back paddles and wireless. Ive been looking at controllers for days researching, trying to decide between
Elite 2
KK Max3
Flydigi Apex 4/Vader 4 pro
Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra
I was about to order the Apex 4 this morning then held off and by chance I see a news article announcing the Razer V3 release this evening
It was fate 😁
Vader 4 pro will do you justice and it’s 80 dollars
Those are some interesting choices, but never ever make the mistake of getting the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra.
It's the cheapest "pro" controller I've ever seen, and it's absolutely not worth the inflated price.
From that list I'd recommend the Vader 4 Pro, but if you want more gimmicky features, you can get Apex 4.
The KK3 Max is a solid choice too, as it has the best paddles I've ever seen on a pro controller, but it's inferior to the Flydigi controllers in every other area.
Don’t get the kk3 nor the turtle beach. They suck
GameSir G7 SE. Wired, $40, hall effect, 2 programmable bumpers + all buttons reprogrammable, and bumper locks. Used mine for 2-3 years before moving to PC after gaming on Xbox for 20 years. Its incredible, if you absolutely must have wireless I guess this is cool but try it out gents.
There's a wired only version of the v3 too. It's much cheaper.
@@ralphengland8559 Just letting everyone know my experience and that there are other options. I cant speak highly enough about the GameSir stuff, but glad to see other companies are hopping on the trend. I just couldnt pass up letting people know about one for $40 that performs better than anything ive ever had before. I play claw so I never really cared about paddles though.
Doesn’t have trigger locks, false statements
@@nazarethproductions7095 meant bumper locks, but I edited the comment. The new Pro edition coming out is wireless and appears to have hair triggers
@@NHGAFWYUTB can’t wait for that announcement, you think by this year it will be released?
buying this for Balatro
This made me laugh 😂
The biggest reason for having the paddle buttons more towards the middle of a controller is to help minimize the amount of accidental pushes while playing a game.
Yeah don't like the placement on the new one. Love my V2.. v3 isn't an option for me
@@DudehoolikesairsoftI heard you still can’t remap the back buttons to keyboard functions on the newer v3 pro? If that’s the case then I’ll just stick to my Vader 4 pro. I still have the v2 pro too.
A lot of $50 cheaper controllers can remap back buttons to keyboard functions so idk why razer can’t do this
If you maximize back paddle use for movement then having them in the middle sucks. I slide and jump with my main ones so I never have to push down on my sticks or lift my thumbs off them. Different strokes..
Ive been using the v2 chroma & the v2 pro since it came out, sure thebplacement i got used to but i think overall, this placement is better. Im grabbing it this week and ill see how it really feels@@Dudehoolikesairsoft
There's just a lot more alternatives in the market right now with literally the same tech implemented here at a much lower price, like I'm talking less than half the price of this Razer controller. Only reason I could think of to get this is if you're really in to that Razer aesthetic and willing to pay premium for it.
This controllers is more for the casual players on the market that don't want to buy some Chinese controller and some adapter to play in their console
@@Teilzeit02 They are all from China, so you can quit with that bigoted bs
Gamesir G7 SE👍👍👍
@@cjvvaliente
"Razer Inc. (stylized as R Λ Z Ξ R) is an American-Singaporean[4][5][6] multinational corporation and technology company that makes, develops and sells consumer electronics, financial services, and gaming hardware. The brand was founded in 1998, then refounded in 2005[7] by Min-Liang Tan and Robert "RazerGuy" Krakoff, although the business originated in 1999 in the US".
@@cjvvaliente Yeah no shit you dumbahh, the point is that razer ist reputable company that is accessible for anyone and for me to get a Flydigi controller in my country I need to go on AliExpress or other Chinese shops
This is the best controller ever made. But Im more interested in the wired version. Definitely a must buy.
Congratulations on hitting 100K subs! You deserve it Andy!
I would like to know the latency of the XBOX Elite 2 controller added to your list. I personally like it. I got tired of buying cheap crap, and getting a poor experience, so now I only buy high end quality products. And yes, there is a higher initial cost, but over time I save money and frustration.
Have a great day, Sir! o7
Elite Series 2 and ‘high quality’ don’t belong in the same sentence, the amount of user reports of stick drift and bumper button failure make it clear it’s not high quality inside.
Yess this is everything I was asking for too and been watching vids of you and other reviewers for months looking for the right controller to finally appear
My Wolverine Ultimate is finally shitting the bed, bit of drift, rumble can cause random controller disconnect, and the corner of a trigger cracked off... she served me well!
I definitely feel the latency issues as an Xbox player... Microsoft needs to do better if they ever make another Xbox.
honestly I think the flydigi Vader 4 pro is a better deal. It's only 80 bucks, has all the same features as this controller, and has adjustable tension on the joysticks which is nice. You can make them as light or as weighty as you want. Some people don't like the placement of the back buttons since 2 of them are slightly more centered like the ones on the razer v2 while the other 2 are on the grips but it's not that bad once you get used to it. I'd rather just extend my middle finger slightly to hit the other back button than have it right over top of the other one and risk accidentally pressing the wrong button. I think it's the best bang for the buck that you can find right now. The wireless dongle is also very snappy with good range. I was testing it out from all the way on the other side of my room and it responded to the button inputs instantaneously.
I havent had a controller since the wolverine TE. Was furious when they took it away. With the movement of the paddles on the v3 makes the feel similar to the TE. My TE just broke since release. Im sold on this.
I've used the v2 extensively for several years now (thousands of hours). I didn't even know this came out until I realized that one of the buttons in my current controller started to flake out on me. I'll give the v3 a try.
Did you give it a go yet?
I had the V2 tournament edition for awhile and I didn’t like the rear buttons at all. The V3 looks like the left t controller for me as they have made all the improvements I’d of liked. I’ll definitely consider the wired only tournament edition once it comes out. Great video!
It's nice to see the progression of this. I've owned two of the original Wolverine Ultimate. But switched to Flydigi which makes a better product for WAY cheaper. I have the Apex but the Vader 4 Pro is only $80 and has all of these features.
Would the Vader 4 Pro work with a Series X, or are they PC/PlayStation only?
@@madMARTYNmarsh1981 unfortunately this is their biggest issue. PC and Switch only. It costs a lot of money to license for console play.
I've got the Apex and Vader Pro 4 - they're both the best controllers I've ever used. Mouse click triggers on Vader Pro 4 and the fastest polling rate among all controllers, very nice aesthetics and brilliant software customisation. Everyone should really take a look at FlyDigi controllers.
I use the Apex 4 on my series x via an adapter, and it works great . It's 1000hrtz polling out of the box.
@@tcrviper which adapter? Wingman adapter? Also, doesn't Xbox limited the polling rate for all controllers?
I bought the Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma about a year and a half ago. I had a bit of a hard time getting used to the Large Controller size at first. Now I just received the V3 pro and it is a lot smaller and I can tell I am going to have a hard time getting used to the new size all over again. But it is an awesome controller.
Does the 1000hz mode only work for pc? Or could I plug it into an Xbox and put it in 1000hz mode?
The only thing this controller has that most competitors don't is the extra bumper buttons. Which is not worth the price point and there is no option to change the tension of the stick. Otherwise they definitely seem to be going in the right direction.
This controller brought me to your channel. I'll be watching more thanks to your top review(polling rates most interesting). You didn't mention the D-Pad but that's OK, NihongoGamer is the man for that job.
They need to make the rumble packs removable. Controller is way too heavy.
Or just ditch them in a pro controller!
So the controller has rumble?
Do a few push-ups
@@geekinasabI just don't like rumble myself sucks but yeah a controller being heavy is tragic lmfao
All preference bro some people like a heavier controller. I know I do
I don't understand how the tournament one is so much more cheaper. Makes me feel like I am missing out on important features... But I'm not. Always play wired, don't care about a carrying case and rgb is irrelevant. Are those all the features?
1000hz and hall effect sticks better paddles
@@Ruzien the tournament one also has hall effect sticks and better paddles, i have no clue if its 1000hz tho but it probably is
Wireless, RGB, carrying case is the only difference
@@terrorclawfulV3 Pro (Bluetooth/Xbox/PC) - avg. 11.4 ms. (Wired/Xbox/PC) - avg. 5.6ms. (Bluetooth/PC 1000hz tournament mode) - avg. 4.5ms. V3 Tournament wired controller is the on preorder for $99.99 with the only differences from the V3 Pro are no chroma lighting, no travel case, and no wireless. That being said it will be avg of 5.6 ms since V3 Pro has been tested for wired.
It has everything except wireless and a carrying case.
The paddles are what sold it for me. Ordered mine 30 second ago.
The 100 USD wired one miight be too much of a good deal to pass on....
Absolutely, thats a crazy deal for what you get compared to the competitors like scuf, I use wired anyways - no brainer.
Double the price just for wireless ... Damn !
@@MyTwinFlame right whats the difference because wired is better
@@Rick-ds8pe until they do batteries i wont buy wireless its a scam
Gullikit kk3 is everything this controller is for less than half the price
Great review, well spoken and lots of points discussed.
Does this controller have haptics in the triggers? Impulse triggers?
I have the Razer Wolverine Tournament Edition (the first) and i loved it, i bought 2 after a year. I didn't liked the v2 and i didn't bought it but now i m waiting for v3 and I'm going to buy it for sure (but the wired edition, i don't care about wireless). Nice Review btw !
I just ordered this controller looks pretty darn nice.
How is the tension in the joysticks?the last controller had nearly no tension whatsoever. Made it horrible for fps. Nobody ever talks about the actual tension of the joysticks.
Yeah this is huge for me as well.
You mean the v2 chroma? That’s way too sensitive the sticks. I can’t handle fps games with it
Great video but i am curious to know your thoughts on the d pad? I've been looking for a controller with a D pad that would be good for fighting games.
Good review, but I'm disappointed you didn't discuss the battery at all. How much game time would a fully charged battery get you? Is the battery replaceable? Etc.
Around 20 hours, but it will vary depending on the brightness of the RGB and vibration strength.
cant wait for tournament edition, thats prop gonna be my go to
Word of warning, the Tournament Edition is NOT WIRELESS, you are literally buying the V2's biggest drawback with the new physical improvements of the V3
@@maestrochris12 Yeah not everyone is buying the V3 for xbox, wired is king on PC for the 1000hz polling rate. Also the V3 pro is severely overpriced for just wireless.
@@maestrochris12wireless is useless. Who would play wireless? I want as little input delay as possible
@@maestrochris12 people buy wired for lower latency my guy
@@clutchyclutch263 Yea, I can see I'm part of the very small minority here 😅 I actually have the V2 Chroma and I love it but I ALWAYS had that wish of it being capable wireless connectivity so I don't have to bother with the cable all the time. I found out about the V3 yesterday and I went coo-coo like it was Cocoa Puffs, although I do agree that by comparison to the wired version it *is* massively overpriced just for the wireless capability. I'd be more accepting if it was 130 and maybe even 150 but 200? Dang
So have you retested the latency? Is it lower now on 1000hz mode. Wondering if it is worth the switch from my v2 chroma
Can you test the xbox series wireless controller both wireless and plugged in using your latency tester?
Still using my Wolverine Ultimate from like 5 years ago, still no drift and better build quality than these new controllers. If my controller ever drifts I'll pick up one of these new ones simply because Ive come accustomed to the additional bumper buttons, they're a game changer.
It's not better than the new ones, I had a wolverine ultimate and have recently bought a wolverine v2 chroma, everything including build quality to features are much much better in v2. The only thing that is missing is the headphone sound control which I never used because I'm playing on a pc.
I’m so glad they brought the old back button layout back! I absolutely hate those stick like back buttons they added. Edit: for some reason the V3 pro has been out of stock on Amazon for a year now 😢 you can only get used ones. So I’m stuck to using this one with the stupid hard to reach back buttons
I love how ALL these companies throw so much bullshit saying stuff like "this will make you a better gamer/you will have the competitive edge". And then the reviewers go ahead and suck at every game they test to debunk that shit.
Only PC cheats will turn gamers into gods overnight.
If you are playing on PC only- Flydigi Vader 4Pro, Flydigi Apex 4, Machenike G5PRO V2 and G6PRO Nearlink will be much better solution in category: pice/quality. For Xbox need to buy a "special" dongle.
I would’ve agreed before but the wired is £99 lowkey think this could rival these controllers now. Vader 4 pro may out do it with the proprietary Hall effects they use but tbh for like £40 extra to have warranty and a higher quality build its 100% worth it imo
@@tt._.7857 How a wired model can be equal to wireless models?
Anyway each person can chose what he likes. In my opinion, Wolverine 3Pro is overpriced. I had i few razer controllers and sold them.
@@Psychotoxic86Flydigi has an awful back button design and their input delay is awful.
@@tt._.7857 lol Vader 4 pro is 1000hz wireless what input delay are you talking about
@@Psychotoxic86 shit yeah true, i always forget people use wireless lol
An impressive product that I'd totally snag on sale below $150. Fantastic review!
How's the quality of the vibration, if you use it? I like being able to use the same controller for both competitive and immersive games, but most rumble on controllers like this is terrible in comparison to something like the DS Edge.
Is it much faster latency wise when compared to over clocked xbox controller? Also can it be bluetooth or do you need the USB A? Thanks!
I got the gamesir g7 HE, but I recently found out that gyro aiming is king for controllers 👑 does the V3 have gyro? I dont wanna get the edge man 😂
First video I watched. Subbed 👍💪
I’ve been using the Wolverine Ultimate religiously for the last 2 years: those extra bumper buttons are so keen
I just bought the V3 tournament edition. Will report back tonight on how it feels
I got the v2 earlier this year. The only issues I have is the back placement other than the wired. But it plays well facts great, having bigger hands makes those 2 extra bumpers op. Makes never removing thumb from stick a real thing
Does it come with Tall thumbsticks? Also how is the shape in hand compared to a classic xbox/gamesir controller? I want to get a unit but it's hard to decide considering Razer is holding off the TE release to sell more "Pro" units..
There's no affiliate link btw..
its on Amazon though for 200$ I just looked.
@@quintrapnell3605yeah the wired one is definitely a better deal considering that it has all the features of the normal one except a caring case and c'mon who needs that
This definitely peaks my interest as I have been waiting for a wireless Xbox controller with rear paddles/buttons and hall effect sensors. Last year's Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra failed on me within days so it was returned immediately. This might be worth checking out especially because Microsoft has yet to even hint at a Elite Series 3 controller.
Seems like you're paying extra for the brand name compared to something like the Flydigi Vader 4 Pro?
As a PC gamer i have used an original PS5 controller but it recently got stick drift so now i preordered the 8bitdo ultimate 2c (Wukong edition wireless), it has hall effect sticks and triggers and a 1000hz polling rate in wireless and wired mode for only $30 ($35 for the wukong edition).
Might be worth taking a look at for you as a content creator.
I got the nacon revolution pro 5 for my ps5 and happy with it. Great battery life. The only negative I can say about it is the 2 back buttons that are placed at the bottom of the part where you hold the controller. I don’t use back buttons much so I don’t need those 2 any way so it’s not a big deal to me
I loved the old paddle design and I have relatively small hands 🫤
Bro that’s the only reason I like the Wolverine ultimate welp guess I’ll be running that controller too the wheels fall off
This should be the perfect device for gaming handhelds like the ally, plenty of buttons for easy shortcuts
I love Razer products and I'm curious and stuck between checking Razer wolverine V3 or Xbox elite Series 2?
Elite series bumpers/triggers break down very quickly
Elite Series 2 is fucking garbage, as it will get stick drift and suffer from hundreds of other issues.
I’m still holding onto my v1 cause I just really find the mic mute button very useful. Plus, no issues after all these years.
It's so hard to justify prices like these when products like the 8bitdo Ultimate exist. While it may lack some of the features here, it can't be beat for $45 when on sale. Just ordered my second one yesterday for second player
Do the analog sticks on this controller have higher tension than the stock Xbox analog sticks, or are they designed to be just as ‘loose’ as the standard Xbox sticks?
I got the v2 a couple of months ago, but the features on the tournament edition with the price is definitely worth it compared to most other controllers I’ve seen. I’ll have to get it when mine starts to get stick drift.
Issue is the back buttons. You're stuck with having all 4 VS only two which I use on my Elite 2 controller. Does that get in your way?
Does it vibrate? I was considering one, PS5 compatible model instead of previous XBOX because it was wireless, but they say "it didnt have vibration because for competetiveness" i was like bruh just add the option to turn that off.. I love the vibration feedback!
how would you rank it compared to the Scuf Envision? It's only for PC but seems to be very similar
Have you done any latency tests on the Scuf Envision Pro?
Do the impulse triggers actually work with xbox games now? I've tried a few of "the best 3rd party xbox controllers" and despite them advertising trigger vibrations all they actually did was vibrate the triggers when the controller vibrated. I play a tonne of F1 and really need the proper trigger vibrations that the game sends to the triggers on the official xbox controller.
I never realized that
Number one reason I liked the older versions was the placement of those back paddles. Easy enough to get to without accidentally pressing them. Hate the ones on the grips.
Yeah man! Same here! I hope these new ones can work as well but doesn't look as good as the previous ones being out of the way
@@kadedone strange, 90% of people like the buttons on the grops more then the buttons that are more out of the way.
@@caleasthetic yeah I don't get it. Putting buttons where you physically need to hold on to the controller means you consciously have to make an effort not to press them depending on how you hold the controller. I really hope these don't hamper how you need to hold the controller. If this helps, imagine having buttons under your palms on a controller. They would be easy to reach but you couldn't hold on too tightly or would need to adjust your grip not to actuate them. That's annoying. There is always a middle ground, so I want to try this one and see if it works.
@@kadedone I do get your point of vieuw actually. It is very logical. But theire are controllers that have just enough resistance on the back buttons, that you dont activly need to focus on not pressing them.
The steamdeck has buttons that are placed at such an angle that i dont accidentally press them. and the dualsense edge has the btttons just out of the way that i dont press them when i dont want to/
@@caleasthetic Yeah man so that's what I'm hoping for here. I'm just going off of how they look so far and since the buttons are now on the grip I see potential for issues. But I hope they end up like the controllers you mentioned that are able to resist accidental button presses. You may have better hand discipline than me though because I may tense my grip in certain situations as a reflex so if my finger is resting on a button or a paddle from the elite controllers I'll probably actuate it. I personally think the better solution is to put them in an easy to reach spot near the grip, but maybe not right under where your hand would naturally hold. I loved my v2 chroma so I hope this one works well despite how it looks to me.
You can't use the extra buttons for keyboard keys? What a bummer 😢
Probably gonna grab a Vader 4 pro.
Wolverine has my absolute favorite button layout(even the back buttons, although the new design looks nice)- I held out hope that newest version would let you program keyboard keys, what a downer. I got the Vader 4 a few days ago! And I’m loving it
@@tdubbleu76ill have to look into this vader...
Flydigi back buttons are awful, can’t even use 4 fingers.
@@mitchellgarcia4061 Why is that an issue?
Yes, you can. In wolverine V2 for example I have one of the extra buttons assign to F5 for quick saving in games.
I want to buy the razer Wolverine v3 pro but I’m kind of waiting to see how the nacon revolution x unlimited is going to be. What do you guys think should I wait or just buy the razer?
I'm waiting, too.
How'd you say you reviewed the v2 chroma which is like 2-3 years old recently. You missed the review for it's successor the V2 Pro it's an upgrade from the v2
Glad this popped up. I use a plain xbox series controller to play division 2 on my phone. I'd love to have a Rz V3 Pro.
Really love my V2 pro, so if this ever gets a PlayStation version, I'll definitely buy it since I prefer PlayStation controllers over Xbox. This basically fixes every issue I have with the V2 pro and the original wolverine except for the d-pad
Honestly in my experience the Tournament Wolverine is way more durable than the Chroma V2 (have had 3 tournaments and 2 Chroma v2). Just feels like the quality has went down with the newer releases.
The V3 Pro is almost 3 times more expensive than the disappointing V2. I ended up going for the Vader 4 Pro which feels amazing but can't speak on its durability.
It's nice to see a larger company adapt hall effect thumbsticks though and hope they go for a more affordable price point as there's similar options at half the price.
i was a huge fan of the Razer Raiju. was the best ive used. i will look to get this one. the two i currently have both also really good. FLYDIGI Vader 4 Pro and the PDP Victrix Pro BFG love these ones.
I have one called Gamsir with hall effect sticks. Not as kitted out as the Razer but I think it's a great controller for the price.
Just got the flydigi vader 4 🔥 absolutely love it
How does this compare to the Gulikit KK3 Max?
I just replaced my elite 2 after the bumpers stopped working (again, second time in 8 months)
The KK3 is good but it's a pain to set up. So thwe Wolverine v3 might be my next pick.
I remember people complaining the grips on V2 made it feel gigantic so I understand removing half of it but definitely makes it look like a cheap shortcut
Is the 1000Hz polling only functional on PC? If I use this wired on Xbox is it going to be limited to the 250Hz?
I only ever play with my controllers wired. What self respecting gamer uses wireless? (That was a joke)
The v3 Tournament Edition is gonna be the one I wait for.
Unfortunately I’m limited to playing on the Series X so I’m sure the 1000Hz polling won’t work for me but everything else about this controller is a slam dunk win for Razer.
1k is only pc
@@clutchyclutch263and only in wired mode.
How's the Dpad? A lot of Western controller makers seem to ignore the Dpad for us fighting game players because of other games using the Dpad more as a "utility" rather than a primary source of inputs.
That hair-trigger bumper switch is essentially bringing back the PS1/PS2 era L2/R2 buttons. That is exactly what I want since I don't play any games that rely on analog trigger controls.
But I'm worried about that Dpad... I always consider the PS1-PS3 dpads the best and I've yet to find a non-Sony controller that can match it when it comes to fighting games.
try the xbox series controller w/ the circular clicky dpad. not the elite. feels a lot better to me than the mushy dualsense ones but personal preference
Did you have any battery life test?
Paddles seems in good positions
Damn good stuff. I will have to get one of these. I heard the hall effect thumb sticks can be slightly less "accurate", if that's the correct term.
Actually wrong, hall effect is more accurate when it's implemented good. I don't know if it's implemented good in the v3 pro but let's hope so
@@Teilzeit02 Well that's what I mean, you need proper calibration tools to ensure the HE thumb sticks work well, and these tools/apps simply do not exist yet for most controllers. Maybe open source/ GIT Hub will have something, but it has to be compatible with the entire controller, not just the thumb stick.
@@albatronafredo942 No, Gamesir or Gulikit have the best ha modules on the market with Flydigi. These HA modules smoke every normal stick module. If razer isn't completely horrible at their job they did it probably well
Flydigi Apex & Vader 4’s run 1000hz wirelessly. Razer still lacking in that dept. Although the flydigi controllers don’t work on Xbox and PlayStation, just PC and Switch.
That’s my main complaint with flydigi! Why not make the apex and Vader for console??? Even if I have to switch to a 250hz Xbox mode
@@fourtyxx7306Because it's not up to them.
Microsoft are the ones who decide which 3rd party companies can make an official wireless controller for Xbox.
Except they actually don’t. Watch VCudas latest video on the Vader 4
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla wirelessly and got 950hz polling.
@@brendanphillips8448 Umm, ok. Sure. I just tested my Vader 4 with Gamepadla and got 950hz wirelessly. I didn't have to wear a dumb jacket to do it either, haha
Can you store multiple profiles on the controller and if not, can you switch profiles using the Xbox app WIRELESSLY or do you need to connect the cable to do so? Thanks
yes to having multiple profiles, not completely sure about your other question tho....
@@bb_11-26 firstly, thank you so much for replying. How do you switch between profiles on the controller if you have something like 4 different ones stored on the controller? Do you press the function button?
@@Justin-hh2kj Np bro, First of all, you need the razer app to create, edit, and change profiles. (The app is free and very easy to install on both xbox and windows) From my personal experience, the function button has not worked for changing profiles. But I do have a couple of buds who say theirs works, I may be doing something wrong or it’s just luck of the draw.
@@Justin-hh2kj Also not sure about there being any limits.
Can you make a vid where you make a comparison between the xbox elite series 2 en the razer V3 wired? Latency, overall feel etc
Not sure if this can beat my flydij apex 4 controller or even the Xbox elite pro 2
I like the Tournament Edition, do you know if it will be also anti drift?
wired will be the same but for 100
I have been waiting for a Hall Effect controller that can wirelessly connect to my series X. After having to buy 3 Elite controllers because of stick drift. I am on board.
I have the the v2 chroma, loved it but those top 2 back buttons broke on me twice. I got big hand so I liked the placement of the back buttons. I’ll pick up the wired version and see if it feels good in the hands
Id love to see you compare this to the flydigi apex 4 which states 1000hz both wired and wireless. I have the flydigi and love it but the back buttons on the Razer look so much more appealing to me
Hello, do you think that the dpad is good for fighting games ? Like tekken 8 ?
If your looking for a fight controller you can either just buy a fight pad or look into the victrus pro
Does it have built in deadzone issue the v2 chroma has ? Please respond
This is still better than the ops v3 from PowerA at least
Can’t wait for vCuda to review this
Beware about those polling rates on mice because lots of games adds negative acceleration if the polling rate is high... Just saying.
Flydigi Vader pro 4 is probably the second best controller on the market. Behind the Apex 3