The top mappable buttons (alt triggers as you call them) are positioned for claw players. That's why it feels weird to you when you hold it the conventional grip.
Makes absolute sense. Gotta say though, I kind like the "alt trigger" approach too. It's like a hair trigger that you never need to move the button aside. That's how I'll keep my mapping for the future.
For anyone who cares. Got mine today. Inputs already stick before an hour of play and I hate the back button layout. The two small ones are great for me but the others force you to grip a certain way. Not like gamesir g7 apex4 or elites. They have better layout on the back. I was trying to get used to it and it would be fine but the software or firmware is bugged. Randomly disconnects and inputs stick without button being bushes. Stick tension is higher than a lot of other controllers but it wasn't bad.
I'm returning mine. $220 for a defective product that won't stay connected and inputs stay... its common problems iv seen when I researched. . . . IT FORCES YOUR GRIP or disable back buttons. Another con.
Stop throwing around "Cheating" like it's a normal thing to do... Xbox wouldn't have approved the controller if it was cheating. And I get it's your personal opinion "review" but complaining about where to rest your fingers is ridiculous..
Back button placement on that are in a terrible place for me. They are too high. I just returned mine. Other than that a great controller. Also I couldn't get the software to recognize the controller. It would come up as a non powerA controller
What's the best PS3 compatible controller? I'm trying to revive my old PS3 but the controller is far from good and it's basically impossible to find a new Dualshock today
Man i thought it was just me, but my hands cramped up too. Especially my right thumb. As soon as i changed back to my regular series x controller it went away and my hands were thanking me. Going to have to return it.
@@vladbivol8153 I'm excited to do the same. After researching a good lot, Vader 4 seems the best option that won't break on you, even if you don't use the fluff features they don't compromise the use or life of the controller unlike most others.
@GameTechTalk for me it was between the wolverine v3 Tournament Edition or the Vader 4 pro. I chose the wolverine v3 TE was it the right decision? I play esports and I heard the FlyDigi controllers aren't allowed due to their software being too good.
@@K_ZloX It's possible, if tournaments have certain limitations, I could see certain controllers being limited due to their potential advantages over others. I think the V3 TE (or non-TE) is a phenomenal controller, especially as a launching point. In my personal opinion, it doesn't scream: "I'm the best" out of the box, but it becomes that if you give it the necessary time to build your skills with it. It's got that unique shape that I can see working, but with also a learning curve to master, if that makes sense.
@GameTechTalk for me I need clicky triggers, clicky paddles, and good input response and from what I've seen this is the best controller on the market for me. The vader 4 pro was lacking paddles. I might review the TE from a esports perspective someday.
Once the firmware came out closely after launch, this pad is about as close to perfection as Ive tried (and Ive tried them all) lol Love your videos, even if its just to reaffirm why I love it
By pad, you mean the controller as a whole? Or you mean the d-pad specifically? I think this controller will grow on me over time, It's got a massive potential but it's just not "in your face", at least for me.
@@cacaulaymulkin7724 Errr... I'm not sure if this is a trick question 😅 There is no gyro on the Wolverine V3 and if there is, Razer made -100 effort to market that feature, including in official documentation which I did go over prior to making my review.
I bough the V3 and sent it back and ordered the Vader 4 Pro, the stick drift was horrendous, for £199 I felt cheated, I use an Elite 2 at present and for the V3 not to have a charger in the case or have stick tension is a joke, the back buttons and the extra 2 buttons on top are perfect, there has been a firmware update for the stick drift but playing call of duty was a nightmare, it didnt feel premium enough for the price, it also felt too small compared to the Elite 2. I love Razer and have a lot of products from them but they missed on this one, they could have made the perfect controller, if this had everything combined from the Elite 2 and Vader Pro 4 I would literally pay £250 - £300 (I have a Razer Kitsune so price is not an issue for a premium product)
@@jjourdan8014 each to their own, a friend of mine has it also and loves it, personally it is not for me, I am glad you like it as it is a good controller but lacking for me unfortunately
I'm glad you found something thta works for you, that's the most important, the rest is irrelevant. All the same, for the ones of you that enjoy the V3 Pro, I'm glad you do. The only perfect device is the one we have at hand, that works, and that we enjoy.
Appreciate your review brother! I just can’t get comfortable with this controller. Hands feel extremely cramped and the second I hold my Vader 4 Pro it instantly feels better. While the back buttons are miles better along with those additions top buttons, my performance is just worse overall and I’ll probably be returning it
I knew I couldn’t be crazy, the ergonomics is different on this controller. You’re not the first person to comment that they cramp with it. I’m debating what to do myself tbh. One moment I’m like: “It has so much potential” and the next, I grab another controller, Vader 4 Pro or else and I’m like: “Yup this is 99%, all that’s missing are the cramps” 😅
@@GameTechTalk Exactly! The left thumbstick is closer to the D Pad than a lot of controllers and the grips are so short that it forces my fingers to position themselves in an uncomfortable position. I think the roundness and lack of depth on the back of the grips also contributes to this.
@GameTechTalk for sure , yeah , when i say Normal grip i just meant i grip it as if there are no ther buttons on top by the bumper , i only rest fingers on the triggers I prefer the extra top buttons as when i play intense games i squeeze the controller and get occidental presses on the back buttons so these extra bumpers are great
@@Dx-so7jm yeah I agree I never had that problem with the elite either I've been able to comfortably hold almost every pro controller I've bought and this is shaped the same as the wolverine v2 but smaller so it will be way more comfortable
@@maritimesteak8540 i have multiple wolverine v2s , love that size , although the non removalble buttons on the back seem like they stick out so for me seems those back buttons will be uncomfortable or at least give me false presses
How does it compare to the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra if you have any experience with it. I really enjoy the Stealth Ultra, but the Trigger locks are super fragile so I ended up just shelving it.
I’d say the Stealth Ultra greatly surpasses on the following: Ergonomics, Overall Features, D-Pad, Included accessories, triggers, connectivity Whereas the V3 Pro surpasses on the following: Quality Feel, Buttons Feel, Paddles and bumpers, sticks, hair trigger, polling rate They are more or less as good when talking about the software. Overall, I prefer the Stealth Ultra personally
I immediately returned the Victrix Pro BFG due to quality issues (BAD wireless latency and how can you get stick drift with hall effect?!) and picked this one up instead. Could not be happier with the purchase. Everything is smooth and responsive (and I do not have any issues with the sticks) and wireless connection to the Xbox via dongle is great with no noted lag. Is it spendy? Yes. Have I spent more than $200 on replacement Xbox controllers due to stick drift? Absolutely. If this controller helps me NOT spend any more on controllers, the $200 was worth it.
this controller looks amazing if i had a xbox this would be my go to. just bought a flydigi vader 4 when it came out after the recent updates is pretty much perfect especially when the price is only $70-80
I just see it as different competitive space, different rules. If it’s normalized over time, it certainly wouldn’t be. For example, NOS can be allowed in competitive drag racing, but it would never in NASCAR racing. Just different sets of rules. With that said, I was questioning if the competitive space in controller gaming would see that as cheating or not? I genuinely wonder, let me know if you have the answer.
Yup, that's probably the play for me, don't over-extend this controller, at over many weeks/months, I would expect that I can last it for longer sessions.
Hmm from Epidemic Sound. That one is called: All Gas - King Sis. Though I am using the instrumental version, the one with lyrics is really good too if you like R&B. ruclips.net/video/d9MVzcXURZs/видео.html (that is the clean version, there is an uncensored one as well) Cheers!
Razer stuff has for so long and consistently be overpriced and scammy that I refuse to even consider it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You said Razer is never cheap. I'd say they're rarely inexpensive but they're almost invariably cheap.
Fair enough, you worded it better because that is indeed exactly what I meant to say. You raise a valid point, cheap is not always about price, it's also about quality sometimes and I certainly did not mean to say that Razer never produces sub-par quality. I do appreciate you considering my video though, that's kind of you, cheers! :)
@@GameTechTalk I'm in the market for a new controller, and I appreciate your in-depth videos, even on controllers like this I'm already biased against. Been a great resource!
Exelent Review as always❤ i have a Wolverine, and i like the "focus" function, but after using an Elite Series 2 i got amazed with the Shift Function and my conclusion and wishes are that i would like something like "focus" that razer has and The "Shift" Function that the elite series 2 has and also keeping the 2 front buttons like the razer has on a controller from either brand ❤
From what I’ve seen, the firmware updates themselves seem to currently be PC specific but I would assume that will be a temporary thing. That would be dumb otherwise (at least I think).
Do you mean the stem part, or the cap? Edit: The stem is plastic, as in no metal ring. The cap does have a slight almost indistinguishable rubber feel like most sticks.
As much as I like the gamepad in general, I've never understood the sensitivity clutch thing. The Xbox Elite and even Steam let you adjust the sensitivity curves of the sticks, giving you extra speed in games like Bad Company 2 or Battlefield 1943, even Sea of Thieves originally, where even at max sensitivity the look around speed was a little slow. Why you needed to surrender a button function to turn on the clutch was difficult to understand -- when Steam lets you aim down sights and adjust the aim sensitivity at the same time with the L-Trigger. That said, I am looking forward to getting my Wolverine V3 -- that they have finally made common sense "back paddles" for the thing is fantastic ... if a little late to the party. Plus the hall effect sticks, this one should be pretty great to have 😁
I don’t mind that they are trying something different but indeed, it might be at the cost of somewhat more expected features such as addressing stick curves. I think you’ll like it, it’s a good product, just needs a bit of « getting used to ».
Solid review. I got this 2 weeks ago. It's weird, something about the controller I like, but the shape just feels a bit odd in my hands. I need to hold it differently. I feel like if I wrap my hands round it like I would do with the elite then my fingers rest odd on the back paddles. Dunno..I'll give it 7/10. But I had to send my elite back 4x so if I don't have that hassle it's probably worth the cost.
I'm having that same internal debate as you it seems 😂 One moment I like it, the next I'm unsure about it. I think I'll be returning mine and grab the wired version because I feel like I want to keep exploring this controller, but at the price that it is, it's just a little too much to have this much back and forth on how I feel about it.
Oh snap! I was supposed to remove that after realizing it wasn't! *Facepalm. I made the video completely assuming it would, arghhhh!! Thanks for pointing it out, that's a miss on my part.
Someone in the comments mentioned an upcoming wired only model for half the price. I decided to return the wireless model, I'll grab the wired instead.
I've been looking at this controller as a solution to thumb issues that make it tough for me to play games on controllers without causing pain. Razer seems to be the only ones making controllers like these that let me rebind all four face buttons plus both thumbstick clicks off of my thumbs. The Wolverine Ultimate has been a game changer for me because of its six extra buttons, but it's still not great because when they went to four paddles instead of two, they changed them from the comfortable and easy mouse click switches to what feels like very stiff metal dome switches (like the joycon face buttons), along with a very stiff d-pad that wear out my fingers quickly. With all of that out of the way, I had some questions if you have time to answer that I've been struggling to find answers to: 1. Are all of the extra 6 buttons using the same softer clicky switches as the face buttons? It sounds like only the extra paddles are and not the two extra bumpers, which would be odd since those have always had the mouse click. 2. How easy are the extra back paddles/bumpers to press? Do they feel stiff at all? 3. Texture aside, how's the dpad? Does it feel stiff at all, or is it easy to press and hold? Does it have any kind of click-like feedback or is it a bit rubbery? Thanks a bunch of you're able to answer any of these.
1. The back paddles feel like microswitches with short travel. The two top bumpers feel more like tactile dome switches but, they do have a rather not stiff feeling at all compared to many dome switches I've felt. 2. They are all very easy to press overall. 3. The D-pad is ok, not great but definitely serviceable. It wouldn't be my goto for strictly fighting games but if it was my main driver, I would learn to get better with it, rather than pull out another one. If I was serious or competitive specifically about fighting games, I'd look elsewhere literally.
@@Leap623 Definitely not too stiff. I don't think it's what the problem is. Or maybe it's not stiff enough? The way I perceive it is that they are super responsive tactile buttons, too responsive that is. When gliding from say a "dragon punch" from Street Fighter 2, the register comes so quickly that it's hard to get it consistent for the game to properly register the command. To do so, it's as if you'd have to accelerate the movement but doing so potentially causes more input errors and those little arrows on the d-pad tend to rub harshly on the skin over time. It's not a bad d-pad by any means, but for me personally, I've seen much better.
im not quite understanding the explanation of the sensitivity clutch feature. what exactly is this doing? just makes the sensitivity higher or lower temporarily or?
@@Waabajack I think it’s similar to dpi button on a mouse.. so when you map the back button to the left/right stick.. when holding said back button the sensitivity changes. So maybe hold it when using a sniper or something on a shooter game to give more precision.
Yup, exactly what @george2995 said, great comparison actually. So long as you hold the button, imagine your dpi changing based off of your configuration. You could also use that to “always run” on your stick but only walk as you hold the sensitivity clutch.
Best response and feel of any controller I’ve played to date. Also I’m a claw player and the front programmable buttons ( that’s what those are specifically for) are game changers for us claw players. Being able to be wired on PC is epic. And when on my Xbox it’s the only wireless controller with next to no perceivable latency. Couldn’t stand the latency on the Elite.
I'm very familiar with claw grip, can't say I ever spent much time trying to get any good with it but I did have that thought that it would probably work particularly well for one, better than most controllers even. I appreciate you sharing your inputs, hopefully other claw grippers will see that. Cheers!
On regular controllers, I was shocked by the Binbok Ultra Pro, it is a phenomenal d-pad. Vastly superior to anything else I've tested recently. (in terms of the d-pad)
Question, im looking for the best xbox controller for fast-paced shooter games. Would you recommend this? If not, what would you recommend? Great video btw
@@Douron69 I think for competitive fast paced shooters, it's probably a controller I'd expect most people (that are new to this line of products) to sort of have a "wtf" moment the first few times. With that said, I also think that with a bit of commitment and time, it could easily become that: "I can't go back" either. If you're not absolutely in need of wireless, you can also grab the wired edition for half the price. I returned the wireless, and ordered the wired version myself.
It's nice; but, it's way out of my price range. If I'm dropping $200 on "gaming" then it's going to be for a full blown Android handheld of some sort. I'm really, really smitten with that new Anbernic RG406V for $160ish. The Retroid Pocket 4 Pro and Anbernic RG556 are priced around $200, the same as this Razer controller. I get that I'm comparing apples to poutine here; but, I compare these things because I have a discreet budget for gaming + entertainment and all of these otherwise disparate gaming things fall under that heading. A new $200 handheld is a much better value FOR ME than a $200 controller. If I had Tony Beets' gold mining money, I'd be all over this like the Maple Leafs are on not winning a Cup. I'm not going to lie; it looks awesome and it has the GTT Seal of Approval. Those are big pluses in my book. I just can't afford it. Or, more accurately, I can afford it; however, my entertainment and gaming budget will then be busted all to heck because I'll need to rob from future me to buy this Razer for current me. I just can't justify it. I liked this review. If I were smart I'd delete everything else I've typed and just leave that. It's short, sweet, and to the point. I'm not smart though. Haha.
Ahhh yeahhhh!! I can’t be expecting a delicious Matt comment every video, obviously, but I celebrate any one of those I get! No worries, you can compare anything to poutine, I’ll always be happy to read about it! 😅 Yeah it’s quite high that price tag. I’ve been contemplating getting back to reviewing retro handhelds lately. I had a bit of an exhaustion with them but I might soon. The RG406V does seem nice.
@@GameTechTalk yep it’s call the razer v3 tournament edition and release September 23rd on razer and Best Buy, and it’s the exact same controller just can’t play wirelessly and still same HZ on pc and Xbox! Great video!
It's supposed to be in a week, but I might move that review to sooner, there is a device that I feel I need more time before the review, so I might do some swapping around. Thanks for staying connected, rest assured, it's coming very soon!
Unfortunately, I do not own the Scuf Envision Pro, I did lay hands on one but that was a few weeks back at a friend's house. Not enough to have any valid opinion about it, I don't remember hating it for the very short time I held it but it came as a fleeting moment during an unrelated conversation. So I can only really speak about the Wolverine V3 Pro and I will say, the more time I spend with it, the more it seems to sink it's teeth into my admiration. It's just not imminently obvious, because it commands a certain approach. But I'm getting there and much like I addressed in the video, it's an intentful controller and when used right, it feels as though it'll unlocks a new tier of controller gaming. It's certainly interesting.
@@JerzaVeLi Yea I just purchased the Razer V3! Just got rid of my Scuf Instinct pro that had got horrible stick drift and disconnecting issues. I’ve owned Elites series 2, elite core, and Scuf and I hope this one is as good as people say. 🤞🏼
@@Anastasia0459 they do. the normal xbox kontrol freeks fit perfectly on it. Seems like razer finally used the same thumb stick that’s on the normal xbox controller and/or the elite controller instead of their own custom one.
The top mappable buttons (alt triggers as you call them) are positioned for claw players. That's why it feels weird to you when you hold it the conventional grip.
Makes absolute sense. Gotta say though, I kind like the "alt trigger" approach too. It's like a hair trigger that you never need to move the button aside. That's how I'll keep my mapping for the future.
For anyone who cares. Got mine today. Inputs already stick before an hour of play and I hate the back button layout. The two small ones are great for me but the others force you to grip a certain way. Not like gamesir g7 apex4 or elites. They have better layout on the back. I was trying to get used to it and it would be fine but the software or firmware is bugged. Randomly disconnects and inputs stick without button being bushes. Stick tension is higher than a lot of other controllers but it wasn't bad.
I'm returning mine. $220 for a defective product that won't stay connected and inputs stay... its common problems iv seen when I researched. . . .
IT FORCES YOUR GRIP or disable back buttons. Another con.
Stop throwing around "Cheating" like it's a normal thing to do... Xbox wouldn't have approved the controller if it was cheating. And I get it's your personal opinion "review" but complaining about where to rest your fingers is ridiculous..
30 years of gaming and my hands have never cramped.
Been playing on this all weekend and I absolutely love it.
So far the Wolverine V3 Pro is my fav controller. I just recently got the PowerA OPS V3 and that one is also nice, but PC only.
I've been debating on if I should cover the OPS V3 but I got to import it, it's not being sold on Amazon Canada. I'm on the fence still.
Back button placement on that are in a terrible place for me. They are too high. I just returned mine. Other than that a great controller. Also I couldn't get the software to recognize the controller. It would come up as a non powerA controller
@@christopherjones5177 They do look high, that was a concern I had.
try the apex 4
What's the best PS3 compatible controller? I'm trying to revive my old PS3 but the controller is far from good and it's basically impossible to find a new Dualshock today
Man i thought it was just me, but my hands cramped up too. Especially my right thumb. As soon as i changed back to my regular series x controller it went away and my hands were thanking me. Going to have to return it.
Im low-key feeling weird about the fact that i spent $75 on the vader 4 pro just to play story games once a week..
@@vladbivol8153 I'm excited to do the same. After researching a good lot, Vader 4 seems the best option that won't break on you, even if you don't use the fluff features they don't compromise the use or life of the controller unlike most others.
Why would you? It’s a GREAT controller, super well priced for the features it proposes. If anything, the Vader 4 Pro is a superb investment.
@GameTechTalk for me it was between the wolverine v3 Tournament Edition or the Vader 4 pro. I chose the wolverine v3 TE was it the right decision? I play esports and I heard the FlyDigi controllers aren't allowed due to their software being too good.
@@K_ZloX It's possible, if tournaments have certain limitations, I could see certain controllers being limited due to their potential advantages over others. I think the V3 TE (or non-TE) is a phenomenal controller, especially as a launching point.
In my personal opinion, it doesn't scream: "I'm the best" out of the box, but it becomes that if you give it the necessary time to build your skills with it. It's got that unique shape that I can see working, but with also a learning curve to master, if that makes sense.
@GameTechTalk for me I need clicky triggers, clicky paddles, and good input response and from what I've seen this is the best controller on the market for me. The vader 4 pro was lacking paddles. I might review the TE from a esports perspective someday.
Once the firmware came out closely after launch, this pad is about as close to perfection as Ive tried (and Ive tried them all) lol
Love your videos, even if its just to reaffirm why I love it
By pad, you mean the controller as a whole? Or you mean the d-pad specifically? I think this controller will grow on me over time, It's got a massive potential but it's just not "in your face", at least for me.
How is the gyro accuracy on the wolverine V3? No one seems to be mentioning it. I main FPS games so a good gyro is crucial.
@@cacaulaymulkin7724 Errr... I'm not sure if this is a trick question 😅 There is no gyro on the Wolverine V3 and if there is, Razer made -100 effort to market that feature, including in official documentation which I did go over prior to making my review.
I love this controller
Why is bro changing the deadzones when it comes with hall effect stick? Should be perfect right out the box
I bough the V3 and sent it back and ordered the Vader 4 Pro, the stick drift was horrendous, for £199 I felt cheated, I use an Elite 2 at present and for the V3 not to have a charger in the case or have stick tension is a joke, the back buttons and the extra 2 buttons on top are perfect, there has been a firmware update for the stick drift but playing call of duty was a nightmare, it didnt feel premium enough for the price, it also felt too small compared to the Elite 2. I love Razer and have a lot of products from them but they missed on this one, they could have made the perfect controller, if this had everything combined from the Elite 2 and Vader Pro 4 I would literally pay £250 - £300 (I have a Razer Kitsune so price is not an issue for a premium product)
lol there was an update to fix that
@@shaundasheepmurphy1589 this v3 is my favorite controller I’ve used for cod, I must have gotten it after the firmware update. It’s been flawless.
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 Did you not read my comment, I did mention that and that it wasnt the only issue I had with it
@@jjourdan8014 each to their own, a friend of mine has it also and loves it, personally it is not for me, I am glad you like it as it is a good controller but lacking for me unfortunately
I'm glad you found something thta works for you, that's the most important, the rest is irrelevant. All the same, for the ones of you that enjoy the V3 Pro, I'm glad you do. The only perfect device is the one we have at hand, that works, and that we enjoy.
Says on the website the extra buttons by the triggers is for claw players
Appreciate your review brother! I just can’t get comfortable with this controller. Hands feel extremely cramped and the second I hold my Vader 4 Pro it instantly feels better. While the back buttons are miles better along with those additions top buttons, my performance is just worse overall and I’ll probably be returning it
I knew I couldn’t be crazy, the ergonomics is different on this controller. You’re not the first person to comment that they cramp with it. I’m debating what to do myself tbh. One moment I’m like: “It has so much potential” and the next, I grab another controller, Vader 4 Pro or else and I’m like: “Yup this is 99%, all that’s missing are the cramps” 😅
@@GameTechTalk Exactly! The left thumbstick is closer to the D Pad than a lot of controllers and the grips are so short that it forces my fingers to position themselves in an uncomfortable position. I think the roundness and lack of depth on the back of the grips also contributes to this.
I never hold the controller like that , i hold it normal and still have no issue reaching those extra buttons , everybody is different though
Nice! For me, the "normal" grip makes me cramp, glad to know you're having a different experience.
@GameTechTalk for sure , yeah , when i say Normal grip i just meant i grip it as if there are no ther buttons on top by the bumper , i only rest fingers on the triggers
I prefer the extra top buttons as when i play intense games i squeeze the controller and get occidental presses on the back buttons so these extra bumpers are great
@@Dx-so7jm yeah I agree I never had that problem with the elite either I've been able to comfortably hold almost every pro controller I've bought and this is shaped the same as the wolverine v2 but smaller so it will be way more comfortable
@@maritimesteak8540 i have multiple wolverine v2s , love that size , although the non removalble buttons on the back seem like they stick out so for me seems those back buttons will be uncomfortable or at least give me false presses
Its because those buttons are for claw grip users. The 8Bit Do had the same thing.
But will it pair with my respirator and toaster?
I'll be right back with a thorough analysis of the compatibility of these two devices! 😅
How does it compare to the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra if you have any experience with it. I really enjoy the Stealth Ultra, but the Trigger locks are super fragile so I ended up just shelving it.
I’d say the Stealth Ultra greatly surpasses on the following:
Ergonomics, Overall Features, D-Pad, Included accessories, triggers, connectivity
Whereas the V3 Pro surpasses on the following:
Quality Feel, Buttons Feel, Paddles and bumpers, sticks, hair trigger, polling rate
They are more or less as good when talking about the software.
Overall, I prefer the Stealth Ultra personally
I immediately returned the Victrix Pro BFG due to quality issues (BAD wireless latency and how can you get stick drift with hall effect?!) and picked this one up instead. Could not be happier with the purchase. Everything is smooth and responsive (and I do not have any issues with the sticks) and wireless connection to the Xbox via dongle is great with no noted lag. Is it spendy? Yes. Have I spent more than $200 on replacement Xbox controllers due to stick drift? Absolutely. If this controller helps me NOT spend any more on controllers, the $200 was worth it.
Glad you found a solution to the problem you had.
this controller looks amazing if i had a xbox this would be my go to. just bought a flydigi vader 4 when it came out after the recent updates is pretty much perfect especially when the price is only $70-80
The Vader 4 Pro is extremely hard to beat!
- Acknowledges that adjusting sensitivity for pro mouse players is not cheating.
- Questions if the same for controller players is cheating??
I just see it as different competitive space, different rules. If it’s normalized over time, it certainly wouldn’t be. For example, NOS can be allowed in competitive drag racing, but it would never in NASCAR racing. Just different sets of rules.
With that said, I was questioning if the competitive space in controller gaming would see that as cheating or not? I genuinely wonder, let me know if you have the answer.
Great review! I found it to be uncomfortable during long session casual gaming and is much more suitable for rounds of competitive multiplayer.
Also where do you get your background music
Yup, that's probably the play for me, don't over-extend this controller, at over many weeks/months, I would expect that I can last it for longer sessions.
Hmm from Epidemic Sound. That one is called: All Gas - King Sis. Though I am using the instrumental version, the one with lyrics is really good too if you like R&B. ruclips.net/video/d9MVzcXURZs/видео.html (that is the clean version, there is an uncensored one as well) Cheers!
Razer stuff has for so long and consistently be overpriced and scammy that I refuse to even consider it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You said Razer is never cheap. I'd say they're rarely inexpensive but they're almost invariably cheap.
Fair enough, you worded it better because that is indeed exactly what I meant to say. You raise a valid point, cheap is not always about price, it's also about quality sometimes and I certainly did not mean to say that Razer never produces sub-par quality. I do appreciate you considering my video though, that's kind of you, cheers! :)
@@GameTechTalk I'm in the market for a new controller, and I appreciate your in-depth videos, even on controllers like this I'm already biased against. Been a great resource!
@@MrDowntemp0 the tournament version of this is great value. $100 usd
@@ALI.x Nah, Razer is a hard NO from me.
RIP if you have big hands.
Idk why but the gamesir Hall effect feel way more better then the razer wolverine so I returned it
GameSir produce way more controllers than Razer and they have refined their algorithm a lot. With that said, TMR should fix that issue.
200$ is wayyyy over priced when Gamesir offers the same quality for only 45$
Same quality is a tad harsh but I get your point. And indeed, GameSir pump out phenomenal products for the price point that they manage to hit.
Exelent Review as always❤
i have a Wolverine, and i like the "focus" function, but after using an Elite Series 2 i got amazed with the Shift Function and my conclusion and wishes are that i would like something like "focus" that razer has and The "Shift" Function that the elite series 2 has and also keeping the 2 front buttons like the razer has on a controller from either brand ❤
Sounds like a pretty fun controller to have, let’s hope they make your vision a reality! 😊
Can you update the firmware on Xbox or do you have to use a PC ..
From what I’ve seen, the firmware updates themselves seem to currently be PC specific but I would assume that will be a temporary thing. That would be dumb otherwise (at least I think).
But is it better than the Vader 4 pro?
For pc only yes but for both Xbox & pc Wolverine v3 all day
No gyro, so no.
Did I understand you correctly, that the thumbsticks themselves are plastic?
Do you mean the stem part, or the cap? Edit: The stem is plastic, as in no metal ring. The cap does have a slight almost indistinguishable rubber feel like most sticks.
@@GameTechTalk The stem part
@@ehacker39 Yup, it’s plastic, there is not metal ring but there is an anti-friction ring too around the gate itself.
@@GameTechTalk Ahh, thank you!
As much as I like the gamepad in general, I've never understood the sensitivity clutch thing. The Xbox Elite and even Steam let you adjust the sensitivity curves of the sticks, giving you extra speed in games like Bad Company 2 or Battlefield 1943, even Sea of Thieves originally, where even at max sensitivity the look around speed was a little slow. Why you needed to surrender a button function to turn on the clutch was difficult to understand -- when Steam lets you aim down sights and adjust the aim sensitivity at the same time with the L-Trigger. That said, I am looking forward to getting my Wolverine V3 -- that they have finally made common sense "back paddles" for the thing is fantastic ... if a little late to the party. Plus the hall effect sticks, this one should be pretty great to have 😁
I don’t mind that they are trying something different but indeed, it might be at the cost of somewhat more expected features such as addressing stick curves. I think you’ll like it, it’s a good product, just needs a bit of « getting used to ».
Solid review. I got this 2 weeks ago. It's weird, something about the controller I like, but the shape just feels a bit odd in my hands. I need to hold it differently. I feel like if I wrap my hands round it like I would do with the elite then my fingers rest odd on the back paddles. Dunno..I'll give it 7/10. But I had to send my elite back 4x so if I don't have that hassle it's probably worth the cost.
I'm having that same internal debate as you it seems 😂 One moment I like it, the next I'm unsure about it. I think I'll be returning mine and grab the wired version because I feel like I want to keep exploring this controller, but at the price that it is, it's just a little too much to have this much back and forth on how I feel about it.
How is the gyro?
Non-existent. You’re the second person to ask me, this controller doesn’t have gyro lol
Unfortunately it’s NOT a button to switch profiles. I hope they fix that in firmware update. They only way to switch profiles is to go into the app
Oh snap! I was supposed to remove that after realizing it wasn't! *Facepalm. I made the video completely assuming it would, arghhhh!! Thanks for pointing it out, that's a miss on my part.
Yeah I've had the same cramping issue with this controller. Vcuda had mentioned that the "prevent double deadzones" adds some delay.
Yeah very likely to do so, Vader 4 Pro has a similar feature and it causes very small delay there as well.
I really want to get one. But $200 is outrageously overpriced
Someone in the comments mentioned an upcoming wired only model for half the price. I decided to return the wireless model, I'll grab the wired instead.
I've been looking at this controller as a solution to thumb issues that make it tough for me to play games on controllers without causing pain. Razer seems to be the only ones making controllers like these that let me rebind all four face buttons plus both thumbstick clicks off of my thumbs. The Wolverine Ultimate has been a game changer for me because of its six extra buttons, but it's still not great because when they went to four paddles instead of two, they changed them from the comfortable and easy mouse click switches to what feels like very stiff metal dome switches (like the joycon face buttons), along with a very stiff d-pad that wear out my fingers quickly. With all of that out of the way, I had some questions if you have time to answer that I've been struggling to find answers to:
1. Are all of the extra 6 buttons using the same softer clicky switches as the face buttons? It sounds like only the extra paddles are and not the two extra bumpers, which would be odd since those have always had the mouse click.
2. How easy are the extra back paddles/bumpers to press? Do they feel stiff at all?
3. Texture aside, how's the dpad? Does it feel stiff at all, or is it easy to press and hold? Does it have any kind of click-like feedback or is it a bit rubbery?
Thanks a bunch of you're able to answer any of these.
1. The back paddles feel like microswitches with short travel. The two top bumpers feel more like tactile dome switches but, they do have a rather not stiff feeling at all compared to many dome switches I've felt.
2. They are all very easy to press overall.
3. The D-pad is ok, not great but definitely serviceable. It wouldn't be my goto for strictly fighting games but if it was my main driver, I would learn to get better with it, rather than pull out another one. If I was serious or competitive specifically about fighting games, I'd look elsewhere literally.
@@GameTechTalk Thank you! Sucks to hear about the d-pad, is it at least on the softer side to press or is it a bit stiff?
@@Leap623 Definitely not too stiff. I don't think it's what the problem is. Or maybe it's not stiff enough? The way I perceive it is that they are super responsive tactile buttons, too responsive that is. When gliding from say a "dragon punch" from Street Fighter 2, the register comes so quickly that it's hard to get it consistent for the game to properly register the command.
To do so, it's as if you'd have to accelerate the movement but doing so potentially causes more input errors and those little arrows on the d-pad tend to rub harshly on the skin over time. It's not a bad d-pad by any means, but for me personally, I've seen much better.
Perfect, these details were exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions!
im not quite understanding the explanation of the sensitivity clutch feature. what exactly is this doing? just makes the sensitivity higher or lower temporarily or?
@@Waabajack I think it’s similar to dpi button on a mouse.. so when you map the back button to the left/right stick.. when holding said back button the sensitivity changes. So maybe hold it when using a sniper or something on a shooter game to give more precision.
@@george2995 ohhh interesting. might be useful for long range shots. cool! thanks for explaining
Yup, exactly what @george2995 said, great comparison actually. So long as you hold the button, imagine your dpi changing based off of your configuration. You could also use that to “always run” on your stick but only walk as you hold the sensitivity clutch.
Best response and feel of any controller I’ve played to date. Also I’m a claw player and the front programmable buttons ( that’s what those are specifically for) are game changers for us claw players. Being able to be wired on PC is epic. And when on my Xbox it’s the only wireless controller with next to no perceivable latency. Couldn’t stand the latency on the Elite.
I'm very familiar with claw grip, can't say I ever spent much time trying to get any good with it but I did have that thought that it would probably work particularly well for one, better than most controllers even. I appreciate you sharing your inputs, hopefully other claw grippers will see that. Cheers!
@@GameTechTalkgreat review 🤙🏼
@@AHappyZeebra Thank you very much! :)
Honestly would prefer they just bring the Razer wildcat back for like 60-70 bucks and call it good.
Never owned that one, I'll look it up! Every time I see your name btw, it's like I hear it in my head, those dang ads! 😅
@@GameTechTalk I'm glad I'm memorable at least 😂
@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 🤣
What is your preferred d pad for fighters?
On regular controllers, I was shocked by the Binbok Ultra Pro, it is a phenomenal d-pad. Vastly superior to anything else I've tested recently. (in terms of the d-pad)
Question, im looking for the best xbox controller for fast-paced shooter games. Would you recommend this? If not, what would you recommend? Great video btw
What's the platform you game on most times?
@@GameTechTalk Xbox series is my current gaming platform.
@@Douron69 I think for competitive fast paced shooters, it's probably a controller I'd expect most people (that are new to this line of products) to sort of have a "wtf" moment the first few times.
With that said, I also think that with a bit of commitment and time, it could easily become that: "I can't go back" either. If you're not absolutely in need of wireless, you can also grab the wired edition for half the price. I returned the wireless, and ordered the wired version myself.
@GameTechTalk thanks again for your recommendations, brother!
It's nice; but, it's way out of my price range. If I'm dropping $200 on "gaming" then it's going to be for a full blown Android handheld of some sort. I'm really, really smitten with that new Anbernic RG406V for $160ish. The Retroid Pocket 4 Pro and Anbernic RG556 are priced around $200, the same as this Razer controller. I get that I'm comparing apples to poutine here; but, I compare these things because I have a discreet budget for gaming + entertainment and all of these otherwise disparate gaming things fall under that heading. A new $200 handheld is a much better value FOR ME than a $200 controller.
If I had Tony Beets' gold mining money, I'd be all over this like the Maple Leafs are on not winning a Cup. I'm not going to lie; it looks awesome and it has the GTT Seal of Approval. Those are big pluses in my book. I just can't afford it. Or, more accurately, I can afford it; however, my entertainment and gaming budget will then be busted all to heck because I'll need to rob from future me to buy this Razer for current me. I just can't justify it.
I liked this review. If I were smart I'd delete everything else I've typed and just leave that. It's short, sweet, and to the point. I'm not smart though. Haha.
They have a wired only version for $100 coming out next week
Ahhh yeahhhh!! I can’t be expecting a delicious Matt comment every video, obviously, but I celebrate any one of those I get! No worries, you can compare anything to poutine, I’ll always be happy to read about it! 😅
Yeah it’s quite high that price tag. I’ve been contemplating getting back to reviewing retro handhelds lately. I had a bit of an exhaustion with them but I might soon. The RG406V does seem nice.
Oh that’s a nice idea, didn’t know about that 100$ one.
@@GameTechTalk yep it’s call the razer v3 tournament edition and release September 23rd on razer and Best Buy, and it’s the exact same controller just can’t play wirelessly and still same HZ on pc and Xbox! Great video!
@@Soulshock3 I might grab it, thanks for all the details, that's very kind of you!
when x3 pro aurora will be review it for you and available on amazon?
It's supposed to be in a week, but I might move that review to sooner, there is a device that I feel I need more time before the review, so I might do some swapping around. Thanks for staying connected, rest assured, it's coming very soon!
@@GameTechTalk love your videos. thanks!
What's the little Monitor your using ?
That would be the OneXPlayer X1, it's actually a handheld PC.
@GameTechTalk ow OK noice cheers bud 👍
i have the v1, and i still love it
Never tried the other variants before this one. Maybe one day!
Would you say this controller is better than the Scuf Envision Pro?? 🤔
Unfortunately, I do not own the Scuf Envision Pro, I did lay hands on one but that was a few weeks back at a friend's house. Not enough to have any valid opinion about it, I don't remember hating it for the very short time I held it but it came as a fleeting moment during an unrelated conversation.
So I can only really speak about the Wolverine V3 Pro and I will say, the more time I spend with it, the more it seems to sink it's teeth into my admiration. It's just not imminently obvious, because it commands a certain approach. But I'm getting there and much like I addressed in the video, it's an intentful controller and when used right, it feels as though it'll unlocks a new tier of controller gaming. It's certainly interesting.
Scuff envision software was terrible and it doesn’t have Hall effect sticks. I returned my scuff this is way better I have the tournament v3
@@JerzaVeLi Thanks for coming in with some inputs.
@@JerzaVeLi Yea I just purchased the Razer V3! Just got rid of my Scuf Instinct pro that had got horrible stick drift and disconnecting issues. I’ve owned Elites series 2, elite core, and Scuf and I hope this one is as good as people say. 🤞🏼
Do Kontrol freeks fit on this controllers sticks?
I do not have kontrol freeks caps but almost every controller video I make I get asked the question. I think I need to procure me some.
@@Anastasia0459 they do. the normal xbox kontrol freeks fit perfectly on it. Seems like razer finally used the same thumb stick that’s on the normal xbox controller and/or the elite controller instead of their own custom one.
too expensive.......
Unfortunately. That Razer "tax" is no joke. At least, the product is genuinely good, I can attest to that.
Love the honest review
Well thank you!