So let's do some crazy math here. Let's state for argument state that he had one can of food a day for 27 years. That means he has 9885 cans of food right now at age 30. If we go back in time, there are 59 people each needing about 1 can for 8 months max, that would be 14396 cans... However he was stating they could stretch it for 14 months, which I think means that would be a can a person a day. In that regard, it would be 25134 cans. Let's continue and see how many cans 2 people would need for 19 years... 13870 cans... Added with the amount of cans he said he had (the 9885) this would be roughly 23755 cans in total for their survival. Technically, if this is all right, we have 1379 cans left.. If everyone died at the same time but mommy and our main protagonist, those people only lasted roughly 23 more days after that conversation... So it is possible, but crazy...
Or another way: 8 months x 58 people = 464 person months or 38.6 person years. There's 27 person years left, so he and Mom ate 11.6 person years worth in about 20 years. Not possible. 14 months x 58 = 812 person months = 67.6 person years. Minus the 27 years-worth left = 40.6 person years. So at first glance they must have died immediately. But he is over ten and Mom died six months ago. So if he is 13 in the clip, and I doubt he's any older, then that's about 6 person-years of food outstanding. 6/58 = 0.1 = an average of under 37 days for everyone to die. If he was 11, then 2/58 = 12.5 days.
Working mathematical solution requires cannibalism as one can of peas and carrots a day doesn't come even close to his resting metabolic rate. There's also possible evidence of cannibalism in the sudden appearance of "ham" which seemed new to him in his diary.
Could've been Spam or some other canned meat. Cannibalism is possible, but it's still not enough food to have lasted John and his mother 20 years. Logically there had to have been more food than what was stated.
SwishSwish Did nobody pick up that they werent talking about a lack of food but a lack of vitamins due to the deseases stated like scurvy comes from like of vitamin d thats why he needs to take vitamins while having alot of food to eat
SwishSwish I doubt there was cannibalism. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Im assuming you are not British. We would never stoop so low and do something like that. In fact, for a time, when submarine warfare was new, It was regarded by many Brits as being evil, unfair, and underhand. (It just wasn't cricket to us then)
Another fun recent FMV game is called Contradiction. Also _very British_. Might be something to check out for the channel if you have the chance. Would make a good series.
I don't know, in my opinion the only "bad" thing about the ending is that it leaves a few question unanswered. It ends the murder plot, but it doesn't end all the red herrings. Then again, they're apparently making the sequel so who knows. Detective Inspector Jenks might be picking those leads up soon! :D
Here's a fun drinking game and go through jobs videos and take a shot whenever he says "here's a indie game I found that looks interesting." If you survive good job. Love ya Jon.
Well, let's look at the map again and think about military theory. High value targets are going to be defended. Anti-missile weapons will be staged closest to highest priority targets for the quickest deployment against threats. The problem is that a nuclear weapon has a massive effect radius. A "Miss" can still render your high value targets ineffective, especially if they started with a few high altitude detonations to hit the power grid with an EMP. Assuming the smallest circles are 1MT, the larger circle is a 2 or a 3, that's enough nuclear detonations to cover the entirety of Britain in radiation and fallout. Sure, vital personnel will have time to get into bunkers but who cares? The nation as a whole is as good as dead.
It looks to me that the blast north of Hertfordshire was in Bedfordshire. Up until the 90s there was a high powered radio receiver used to spy during the Cold War based at Chicksands Air Force base. It would of undoubtably been a target. I grew up in the next village over!
The whole map can be classed as inaccurate. Which would make sense if its second hand info being intepreted by a medical proffesional rather than a military specialist. If those circles are meant to illustrate the size of the blasts, and the inner circles are the thermal damage zones, with the outer being fallout; those detonations are in the multi-dozen megaton range. Which would be fine if they were MIIRV's, I guess. The seperate casualty figures for London burroughs would make sense if they were seperate strikes. But the Reading hit is described as being a single device.
Dude what? i literally forgot you didnt have over a million subscribers, im just used to seeing this amount of quality backed up by a huge audience. fuck man. you deserve more
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Okay: 59x8= 472 months of food assuming 19 years by the mother (19x12) and 19 years by Jon (19x12) we get 456 months of food consumed. So he has less than 2 years left, even accounting for rationing, my shitty math skills, and character error that's not even vaguely close. I think Jon's mom was lying to him about the food...
If fact even assuming the mother eats via photosyntesis something fucky is going on although its borderline close enough to be rounding error or rationing.
Thats what I thought as well, but it seems that the 8 months could be stretched to 14 months. So 59*14 = 862 862/12 = 69 years of food for one person. John and Mum both ate for 20 years so 69-40 = 29 years of food left.
Maths To calculate a minimum borderline for Johns age Day 1 Born Day x Flashback with 8 mo good food or 14 mo poor food for y people Day 10,998 Mothers Death Day 11,109 27y3mo14d food for 1 person Day 21,076 Above food will run out for John Assuming a Days worth of food (dwf) is consistent for John and his mother once they are the only two left we have 21076-10,998 = 10078 days @ 1dwf/day = 10078dwf (for John alone after mum death) 10,998-x dwf @ 2dwf/day (for john and mum alone after flashback) If everyone died immediately following the flashback and all 59 were alive at the flashback then where dwf=good food (and assuming 8 months is C. 244days) 10,078dwf+2(10,988-x)dwf = 58 * 244dwf = 14,396dwf (-10,078dwf both sides) 21,976dwf-2x dwf = 4,318dwf (-21,976dwf and *-1 both sides) 2x dwf = 17,658dwf (/2dwf both sides) x = 8829 x would represent John being 24.2 years old in the flashback, which he isn't, so they're not eating good rations For dwf=poor food (and 14 months is C. 426days) 10078dwf+2(10,988-x)dwf = 59 * 426dwf = 25134dwf (-10078dwf both sides) 21976dwf-2x dwf = 15056dwf (-21976dwf and * -1 both sides) 2x dwf = 6,920dwf (/2dwf both sides) x = 3,460 x would represent John being 9.5 at the time of the flashback. The margins here are quite tight so the rest of the vault must not have survived long after the flashback. By which I mean if the flashback was Johns 11th birthday there are 1096dwf spare so everyone could survive 19 days. If the flashback was day 5096 (the current age of the child actor today) that's 3252dwf spare which gives everyone 55 days or if the population halved every 27.5 days then maybe 6 months. If any of them were dead before the flashback the timing and food consumption doesn't add up. Fewer alive when the 8 or 14 months is said means less food total means fewer rations to work with. John must be avoiding the scurvy and rickets with the vitamins he's taking.
The calculations show when the flashback could of occured. If you assume John as 11 at the time of the flashback there are only about 250 days worth of food spare for other survivors over what is needed for John and his mother to survive to day 10,998. So they must die pretty swiftly after that flashback. The child actor is 14 so maybe there are a few hundred food days but that still means the 59 need to die off at a rate of about halving every 27 days for there to be enough food left for John to have 27 years of food left now.
So only thing what could be worse as math is... math in a language which is not your natural language :D But well done, it took some moments for me to understand but it is just logic.
Let's not forget that, as various people died off there would be an...extra surplus of... well lets just say protein. I'd say roughly 80 pounds of usable meat?
I think that the mother when s*** hit the fan decided to take John and herself into the level one area lock themselves off then kept her and her son alive using the medical supplies and food rations
I'm hoping that this bunker was only meant to hold like 10 people tops or something like that or maybe this is only one section and there's another building/level above that evacuated downwards. They would have had to make stairwell beds. I'm thinking there will be corpses lining the 'exit' stairwell and in the sewage room. If not, maybe they cannibalised the recently deceased. Whatever the reason, I could swear it has something to do with the fact that there was rioting outside the emergency blast doors and not the main.
Not all bunkers are made for long term occupancy. They probably converted sections of the "war room" into a barracks, as the war was pretty much over for them.
+TheRoanock I've been to this bunker as its very close to me, they have these sleeping quarters with lots of bunk beds as well as special rooms for pm and cabinet
Ok so 59*8 is 472 months for one person. 472/12 is 39.2 years. So 19.6 years for two persons. We know that john is 30, so if we assume that he was ten in the flashback, he should be running out of food right about now. Edit ah missed the 14 months for 59 people. This would be 34.4 years years for two people, since mum died after 20 years this would result in (34-20)*2= 28 years. So yeah it checks out.
Greninja Desteny Grenades wouldn't shake the ground *that* hard. Only nukes, buildings, meteorites or bunker busters. In 3rd/4rth cases we wouldn't see anything past that point.
Loving this one Jon, My most memorable FMV game back in the day was "Silent Steel" where you were an Attack Submarine Captain and you had to make decisions on things the crew were telling you about....bloody addictive
If they would have eaten normal rations: 1st case 59*8 months =472 months for one person 236 months for 2 = 19 years worth of food. 2nd case: (59 people *14 months/2 people)/12 months =34.41 years. There is no other way than "additional food sources" (eg cannibalism) to get those numbers. Edit: It CAN work out if his mother died with the others and he was just hallucinating her! Then the numbers would actually work out, just fine. Oh boy.
An NBC suit stops Nuclear, Biological and Chemical contaminants from killing the wearer (for a while). It typically consists of a gas mask (typically an s10 gas mask in the case of a british bunker in that sort of time period) and a tyvek rubber/plastic jumpsuit with a hood, boot covers and thick rubber gloves
"No one bothered to nuke Newcastle..." Golden! As I currently live in Edinburgh, I squinted quite closely to the monitor to find out where the Scottish bomb fell. Unfortunately, they targeted that one well and destroyed Glasgow and Edinburgh in one go.
This Game Looks Utterly Incredible. And As Far As I'm Concerned, They Nailed The Suspense In The Horror Segments, So Also Utterly Bloody Terrifying. Good Luck And Good Work Mate, Can't Wait To See The Rest Of This Play-Through :)
This reminds me of how much fun I had with those Sega CD FMV games like Sewer Shark, Mad Dog MacCree, Tomcat Alley, Jurassic Park and such. We old people surely had some great consoles.
Well it's one of the largest towns in Basingstoke and featured heavily in the doomsday book - but tbh, not knowing about it is probably better than how people generally regard it if they don't live there
Will the bloody Dark Brotherhood leave me alone already. I get it, me, you're kitty listener, is the only one who will do work, but for fuck sakes,I'm just one Khajit, I need to breathe.......... And burn shit (because obviously I specked into one handed and destruction magic over sneak and lock picking).
Since it's rude to just flush her, and he can't go outside, he took the cover sheet and covered her. It's like mummification, without the organ removal and drying of the skin! The reason it's hugged around her face is because the little boy didn't tighten the wrapping, so it god sucked in as the cells died and decayed, causing space to fill with the sheet! So yes, those were where her eyes were!
I'm gonna math a bit. The food supplies bugged me as well. Let's just say the average resident would consume a can a day, the 8 months point would mean they had around 14160 cans remaining. Now with that amount, it's easier to see how he can still have 27+ years of supply, as he would have around 9920 or so cans remaining by the point the game takes place. So if everyone died over time rather than immediately, the amount they state he has left is pretty dang reasonable.
I had done some preliminary math and here are the numbers. they had said 14 months of reduced rations. If you assume he is 10 in the video, and everyone died that day, then what would feed 59 people for 14 months, would be able to feed 2 people for 12390 days. (14 months, assuming 30 days in a month, 420 days, for 59 people, means it would feed 1 person for 24,780, at the reduced rations, or two people for half as long.) now if two people eat those same reduced rations for 20 years, (when he's 30) that approximates to 7300 days. subtract that from the original 12390 days of food for 2 people, and you're left with 5090 days of food for 2 people, which would feed one person for twice as long. Or 10190 days, which is just shy of 28 years. So this means that everyone died on the day of that memories, and john and his mother were eating reduced rations (1 can a day likely) for 20 years before she finally died. If john was older, or people died well after that flashback there would be a lot of ways of messing up the math. However this WOULD explain why he was on the toilet at the time when he was eating, as they had mentioned that they would be suffering from things like scurvy and rickets. Also as a bonus question, his mother passed on August 12th, 2016, and the computer error happens on Dec. 3, 2016.
Hey Jon, I'm going to try for those MATN points. Those two guys from the flashback were talking about scurvy and rickets, both highly unlikely symptoms of starvation. However, a possible common cause for both is vitamin deficiency of some sort. Perhaps the supplies they were talking about were not food at all, but rather some sort of supplement. This would tie in nicely with the fact that the time estimate for the bunker dwellers was given by a doctor rather than some logistics guy, but I think that's pretty thin.
Assuming 3 'meals' a day there were 42,480 meals (((3x59)x30)x8) when John is 10. To survive 19 years John and his mother require 20,805 meals each ((3x365)x19) assuming the three meals. Now, if the mother went on bare minimum (assuming that to be 1 'meal' a day) the total used by jut John and Mum would be ((365x19)+ 20805) or 27,740. That leaves 14,740 meals left. That's 13.46 years or 4,913 days with three 'meals' per day. If we reduce to two years per day we get 20.19 years (7,370 days) and if we reduce to one meal per day as shown we have 40 years or 14740 days left. However you work it the maths is off without later replenishment.
I'm fairly certain it isn't a total food shortage that is killing them. Sam (the fellow in the suit from the flashback) said that people would die from rickets and scurvy from a lack of foods containing vitamin c. This is also why John must consume his vitamin supplements daily, as they are his only source of vitamin c anywhere in the known bunker. His mother most likely dies from this by choice, letting herself die in order for her son to live, reducing vitamin consumption.
Very fun watching you play a game that's a throwback 'old school style' one such as this, MaTN. Thank you kindly, Sir. (also, NBC suit is a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical pretective suit...aka, the annoyingly thick rubber and plastic suit combined with a breather mask that all military veterans LOATHE with all our hearts.) :) V/R, NarcanGoat, aka President of the MaTN Alaskan Goat Fan Club. ;)
About the food situation: If everyone did spontaneously die, but still remained in the vault, John and his mother would have 57 fresh corpses, there could be some kind of freezer or other preservatives that would keep the corpses fresh for all that time and they resorted to cannibalism and just recently run out of corpses, leaving him with the 27 years worth of food.
Wow, this is really well done. Getting good actors and a competent director makes for a quality game, who would have guessed? One thing though, I'm pretty sure these FMV games didn't come about in the mid-90's, first FMV game I recall playing was en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Lair_(1983_video_game) and I'm not sure that's even the first one.
I love that this game is breaking new ground and push the boundaries of gaming but I'd also like to see a cinematically recorded game that puts more action into "live action."
I would argue that Troy Baker in TLOU was a stunning example of voice acting and the scene was profoundly emotional. We didn't need live action to get his pain across.
It looks like most of the filming is based on the Secret Bunker, a Nuclear Bunker in Scotland for use in case the Soviet's decided to nuke us back in the Cold War, it was for the UK's top ranking Government officials/military figures etc(no, not Action Man toys) Basically for us normies, we got fucking nuked and either died or turned into Ghouls. It's a very intriguing place to visit, actually. It's full of old tech, I genuinely would recommend a visit if you live in the UK. They have a cinema room which plays all the old Cold War stuff about keeping your home safe etc, it's all very funny. "Cover up with your windows with sandbags!" Yeaaaah that's going to prevent Nuclear Fallout and Radiation isn't it?
Well there's 24 months worth of food for three people. So, Saying everyone died soon after him being 10 years old that means you simply divide 3 into 59 which equals 19.66 repeated. So lets just say 20, so now there's enough food for 20 different sets of three people. Three people make up 24 months, so multiply 20 people by 2 years and get 40 years worth of food for one person. Let's say the main character and his mother were the only two people left for the past 20 years, it is very possible that they rationed well enough to have 27 years left worth of food after 20 years if they only ate one can a day.. Because eating one can a day isn't considered eating well, that's rationing what they have. So if you divided the 40 years of food for person by 2 that would be 20 years, then also consider 20 years of rationing, saving 7 years of food is very logical and possible.
BTW, the person would run out of food at the age of 29, a year before his mother died. MATHS 1,333 cal per day for 1 person (2/3 of normal value because of rations) 59 people = 78,666 cal per day 8 months(240 days) means the bunker needs 18,871,840 calls total For the person and his mom to survive (2 people) they would need 2,666 cal per day that means that they would use up the remaining supply in just about 19 years, assuming everyone died that very same day as the man talked about food. This means that the person would run out of food at the age of 29, so the person couldn't have had 27 more years of food, because he would need 365 days of the 2,666 cal thing (for his dear mother and him) and 9,855 more days of 1,333 calls per day, totaling about 14,109,805 more cals of food. Furthermore, there are 97 calls in one cup of peas and carrots. This means, in total, the person would need 340,017 cans of soup. Supposing that each can has a volume consisting with how much soup is in a cup, he would need 21251.0625 liquid gallons of room to store it. Anyway, doesn't make sense to me.
NBC suit: Nuclear Biological and Chemical warfare suit, My profile pic has an example of a British NBC suit that was vacuum packed until i bought it. They are like a hazmat suit only much less effective. Commonly refereed to as noddy suits fore some reason.
The background sound-effects is so Fallout 1 @ approx 8 minutes! @39:00 I was not expecting the power to come back on. good call on the air filtration system! Nuclear Biological Containment?
If this becomes a full playthrough, there should be commenter prediction awards at the end for MATN points! Lets upvote and make it happen! Bonus points for how close to the beginning the prediction was made :D
they would have needed something along the lines of 23,725 cans left to survive the approximate calculations of years 19 with mama and 27 more. 13870+9855=23725 spread over 248 days for 59 people, if everyone besides him and the mom dropped dead immediately after that discussion took place it all comes out to them planning on rationing 1.62ish cans to everyone per day for eight months leaving the inheritance needed by Jon and mama Jon. yeah maths. I shouldn't have to explain the algebra it's a lot of cans and its feasible given a big enough storage.
"...unerring, quiet suffering and misery. As everyone just sits around and obeys the routine and waits to die" To me that sums up British life perfectly
Okay, math time! Assumptions: 1. There is still at the time of the conversation 59 people in the vault. 2. We'll assume a 30 day month. So they could eat well for 8 months (240 days) or stretch it up to 14 months (420 days) on the bare minimum. Multiply this by the number of people in the vault, if only one were eating this brings this up to 14,160 days (~38.8 years) - 24,780 days (~67.9 years). In the food check scene, he said there was 27 years, 3 months, 14 days of food left (9,959 days). Subtracting this from the earlier totals we get 4201 days (11.5 years) - 14820 days (40.6 years) that have been consumed between the flashback and the present. If we also assume that the only occupants are the character and his mother and they therefore consume 2 units of food per day that means at full rations the flashback occurred 2100 days (5.75 years) ago which seem unlikely as he was clearly not 25 in that flashback. And at minimal rations it has 7410 days (20.3 years ago). So, if he was 10 years old at the time of the flashback the food supply checks out at the bare minimal amount. If he is a bit older, perhaps 12-14 that gives a decent amount of extra food. Perhaps the mother kept him fed on more food to keep him healthier while only eating the minimum herself, eventually leading to the sickness that killed her.
Okay, so if John was ten at the time of that flashback, then there was enough for 59 people for 8 months, or 472 food-months(or 39 food-years, 4 food-months) . Assuming his mother killed everyone but him later that day, they'd need 40 food-years to survive until he turned 30. That gives us an 8 food-month gap to overcome for him to even turn 30. So, assuming they are thin and living a very sedentary lifestyle, we can assume they could survive on 3,000 calories per day, especially during the important "death of everyone but him and his mother" period when he was quite young. We need to find were they got the extra 1.44 million calories they'd have needed to survive. The largely intact corpses of 57 adult humans would be worth about 4.65 million calories., or about 1548 food-days (4.24 food-years). That's more than enough to cover that gap, and I feel it's safe to assume that they did not consume the entire body of their victims. This assumption is based on the state of his mother's corpse. The skeleton is intact, but all of her soft tissues must have been removed prior to putrefaction or that room would still not be tolerable to entire after a mere year. Care was taken to highlight the eye sockets with the shroud, making it clear that she wasn't simply mummified by bunker air. That would not leave us with anything like the over 27 years of food he expects to still have left. My best figures would give him 7 years, 4 months and 28 days of food remaining. From there it's not a stretch to assume his mother, the cannibal-murderess, may have become ill and died as a result of eating sub-normal rations in an attempt to prolong the time her son could survive. This would extend his food supply an indefinite amount, but still could not attain the 27 year figure, so I'm forced to conclude that he's a bit shite at maths.
Good call man. My best guess purely going on rations was 19.6 years of eating well(roughly 27 of restricted living as you said) I like the originality of "recycling" the dead vault dwellers but there would be no way of preserving the meat. Unless there was a ridiculous amount of salt. Or an industrial sized freezer. Which I saw no evidence of given that all good seen was in cans. So even with your ingenuity at best you'd get a month extra food. That would require staggered death rates and maths more complex than it's worth to make sure you got a net gain on food used to keep extra residents alive vs the neat you'd gain from their bodies
i think that the mother killed everyone(explanation for the blood stains) so they could live a long life(also an explanation for their survival) and she wanted john to never find out(explanaton for the "don't get out" rule)
Did anyone else notice that during the power off cut-scene, there was a shot of the infirmary, and it looked like (To me at least) that the beds were *occupied*
Right, for your maths puzzle. It is possible for that much food to be still be there: Game states, "8 months of food minimum". To me, this implies 59 eat 3 meals a day. First approximation; 8*30 (months times days, as we don't know what month that happened in) = 240 days. 59*3 = 177 meals a day (number of people times 3 meals a day) 177*240 = 42'480 tins of food for 59 people to last 8 months, eating 3 meals a day. John's current situation, he's eating 1 meal a day (how do we know its one? He sticks to a routine where food is listed once daily, this is also the Second approximation). If John has enough food to last 27 years; 27*365.25 = 9'861.75 days (27 years times the Physics quantity for a year, so includes leap years). So if John eats 1 tin a day, he has 9'861.75 (round to 9'862) days of food left. This implies that (42'480-9'681.75) 32'618.25 tins of food have been consumed already. Ok, lets say for argument sakes that both John and his mother had reduced rations for the 19-20 years they've been in there. John would've had 20*365.25 tins, and his mother 19*365.25 tins (Third approximate, the mother died exactly after 19 years, a pretty large approximation I know) So together, they would've eaten 14'244.75 tins of food, which as you could probably guess, is SMALLER than the 32'618.25 tins of food eaten prior to John's 27 years stash. In truth Jon, both John and his mother could've eaten 2 meals a day, and there'd still be enough tins left for the 27 year stockpile (with 28'489.5 tins consumed). 3 years isn't possible however, but of course we know both 2 and 3 meals a day would not of occurred, why? The routine. So Jon to answer your maths puzzle, it is possible for John to still have 27 years worth of food left. (Its probably already been solved, just wanted to throw my answer out there)
Given that 59 people would have 8 months of food to eat "well", multiply 59 by 8 and you find that there's enough food for a single person to sustain 472 months of comfortable eating. Assuming a catastrophic incident occurred immediately after the scene where John overhears the two men (whether radiation exposure, espionage, disease being spread, etc.) and only he and his mother are survivors, that's 472 months of comfort eating for two people, making 236 months total. However, knowing how limited supplies are, it could be surmised John's mother decided to use the emergency rationing. So take that 472 months and multiply by 14/8 to amplify the amount (14 months being an extension of the 8 months) now being 826 months, or 413 months with the two eating. Using your estimate of John being 10, only 20 years passed until his mother died. That would use just 240 months of the 413, so subtraction gives John an inherited 173 to his 173 (346). 346 months is 28.83 years of eating. Assuming he's accounting for some spoilage, we can smudge the numbers down to 27 years left.
Assuming John is eating barebones and the vitamins prevent scurvy, there was enough food for 59 to last 14 months. That's 25141 units of food, if each person eats 1 per day. John has 27 years of food left for 1 person which is 9861 units. In the ~20 years since the flashback he and his mother would have consumed a combined 14610 units. Adding up to a total of 24471 units, leaving 670 units unaccounted for. That would be consumed by 59 people in 11 days. So everyone died within about two weeks of the flashback.
I was considering the number of people to be a variable. So we had 8 months of food for x amount of people and then food for his mom and him for 19 years and then he had 27 years and 3 months for just him. So 8x=783, x=97.875. So granting a margin of error I would say that there were around 98-100 people in the bunker.
I guess it's possible the more influential people in the vault kept extra food for themselves and they weren't concerned with how much everyone else would have? They may also have some way to grow food too, surely. Perhaps not anywhere John visited.
Jon at the end when you look at the numbers in the thousands, it's almost certainly the day that they died/were confirmed to have died, in the same way the date of the game is like 10,000 days, so in otherwords the place you pointed at died about 2/3rds of the way through the timespan the game is over
The math works out assuming usage of the minimum rations: 59 * 14 = 826 food-month left in the throwback 27 * 12 + 3 = 327 food-month left now => used up 499 assuming 19 years for 2 persons + 4 month since death of mother: 19 * 12 * 2 + 4 = 460 food month leaves 39 food month for the rest of them, so not even 1 month before they all died Even assuming only 17 years between throwback and death of mother leaves less than 2 month before they all died
So let's do some crazy math here. Let's state for argument state that he had one can of food a day for 27 years. That means he has 9885 cans of food right now at age 30. If we go back in time, there are 59 people each needing about 1 can for 8 months max, that would be 14396 cans... However he was stating they could stretch it for 14 months, which I think means that would be a can a person a day. In that regard, it would be 25134 cans.
Let's continue and see how many cans 2 people would need for 19 years... 13870 cans... Added with the amount of cans he said he had (the 9885) this would be roughly 23755 cans in total for their survival. Technically, if this is all right, we have 1379 cans left..
If everyone died at the same time but mommy and our main protagonist, those people only lasted roughly 23 more days after that conversation... So it is possible, but crazy...
Now THIS is what I wanted to see. 100 MATN points to you.
hats off to you man. thats great work
Or another way: 8 months x 58 people = 464 person months or 38.6 person years. There's 27 person years left, so he and Mom ate 11.6 person years worth in about 20 years. Not possible. 14 months x 58 = 812 person months = 67.6 person years. Minus the 27 years-worth left = 40.6 person years. So at first glance they must have died immediately. But he is over ten and Mom died six months ago. So if he is 13 in the clip, and I doubt he's any older, then that's about 6 person-years of food outstanding. 6/58 = 0.1 = an average of under 37 days for everyone to die. If he was 11, then 2/58 = 12.5 days.
If that's still not enough, there is always the possibility of cannibalism. After all, where exactly did that "ham" come from anyway?
nah my ways better.
This was filmed in the Secret Nuclear Bunker in Essex! I've been there, never knew a game was made in it. Really quite cool.
it's not a secret bunker if its known
what if the people in Essex think its a secret bunker but nobody told them that its known
Well, it was a secret until you just blabbered about it.
:-)
I recognize it too, i'm also from Essex. Trust me guys we've all heard the jokes before...
I love it a Kelvedon, never knew this tho, this amazes me, next time i go i'm interrogating staff.
Working mathematical solution requires cannibalism as one can of peas and carrots a day doesn't come even close to his resting metabolic rate. There's also possible evidence of cannibalism in the sudden appearance of "ham" which seemed new to him in his diary.
Could've been Spam or some other canned meat. Cannibalism is possible, but it's still not enough food to have lasted John and his mother 20 years. Logically there had to have been more food than what was stated.
Hmm... Spam or cannibalism. Better go for the lesser evil, in that case. but which would that be? ... Cannibalism, I guess.
SwishSwish Did nobody pick up that they werent talking about a lack of food but a lack of vitamins due to the deseases stated like scurvy comes from like of vitamin d thats why he needs to take vitamins while having alot of food to eat
SwishSwish I doubt there was cannibalism. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Im assuming you are not British. We would never stoop so low and do something like that. In fact, for a time, when submarine warfare was new, It was regarded by many Brits as being evil, unfair, and underhand. (It just wasn't cricket to us then)
Hiltibrant HOW DARE YOU! SPAM IS DELICIOUS!
Another fun recent FMV game is called Contradiction. Also _very British_. Might be something to check out for the channel if you have the chance. Would make a good series.
does anything remind you....of THIS 🤘🏻???
That game had such a terrible ending though
I don't know, in my opinion the only "bad" thing about the ending is that it leaves a few question unanswered. It ends the murder plot, but it doesn't end all the red herrings.
Then again, they're apparently making the sequel so who knows.
Detective Inspector Jenks might be picking those leads up soon! :D
In one of the gameplays I've watched, they mentioned that the script had to be cut down for time and money.
Contradiction is great, I love how everyone is playing it strait and Jenks goes full on david tenant.
Here's a fun drinking game and go through jobs videos and take a shot whenever he says "here's a indie game I found that looks interesting." If you survive good job. Love ya Jon.
Its like/ Somewhat like FTL but/
Or y'know, when he says "good" or "flip"
Don't watch Fallout YOLO. Seriously, I've died twice.
"This indie game is like *Game X* mixed with *Game Y*"
Really just indie gaming in general tbh
PlayaR 100 How much for a cluster flip?
Challenge mode:
Absolutely fine.
ooOO... ... hellooo...(?)
Jon knows his geography, video game developers, and he will use it.
except he called Cornwall, Somerset....we'll just ignore that one shall we?
Looks more like northeast Devon to me...
Well, let's look at the map again and think about military theory.
High value targets are going to be defended. Anti-missile weapons will be staged closest to highest priority targets for the quickest deployment against threats. The problem is that a nuclear weapon has a massive effect radius. A "Miss" can still render your high value targets ineffective, especially if they started with a few high altitude detonations to hit the power grid with an EMP.
Assuming the smallest circles are 1MT, the larger circle is a 2 or a 3, that's enough nuclear detonations to cover the entirety of Britain in radiation and fallout. Sure, vital personnel will have time to get into bunkers but who cares? The nation as a whole is as good as dead.
It looks to me that the blast north of Hertfordshire was in Bedfordshire. Up until the 90s there was a high powered radio receiver used to spy during the Cold War based at Chicksands Air Force base. It would of undoubtably been a target. I grew up in the next village over!
The whole map can be classed as inaccurate. Which would make sense if its second hand info being intepreted by a medical proffesional rather than a military specialist. If those circles are meant to illustrate the size of the blasts, and the inner circles are the thermal damage zones, with the outer being fallout; those detonations are in the multi-dozen megaton range.
Which would be fine if they were MIIRV's, I guess. The seperate casualty figures for London burroughs would make sense if they were seperate strikes. But the Reading hit is described as being a single device.
Dude what? i literally forgot you didnt have over a million subscribers, im just used to seeing this amount of quality backed up by a huge audience.
fuck man.
you deserve more
Hi Jon, Thanks for making great videos!
Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman. I'm LedZep, this is many a true NotBob and welcome, to his daily comment of the day.
thank you very much for watching, thank you very much for listening, and goodbye :3
Okay:
59x8=
472 months of food
assuming 19 years by the mother (19x12) and 19 years by Jon (19x12) we get 456 months of food consumed.
So he has less than 2 years left, even accounting for rationing, my shitty math skills, and character error that's not even vaguely close.
I think Jon's mom was lying to him about the food...
If fact even assuming the mother eats via photosyntesis something fucky is going on although its borderline close enough to be rounding error or rationing.
Thats what I thought as well, but it seems that the 8 months could be stretched to 14 months. So 59*14 = 862 862/12 = 69 years of food for one person. John and Mum both ate for 20 years so 69-40 = 29 years of food left.
De Parapluman It seemed like he wasn't wasting away, so I assumed they had gone for the more food option.
He was eating "ham". Where do you think the adults got it from?
Maths
To calculate a minimum borderline for Johns age
Day 1 Born
Day x Flashback with 8 mo good food or 14 mo poor food for y people
Day 10,998 Mothers Death
Day 11,109 27y3mo14d food for 1 person
Day 21,076 Above food will run out for John
Assuming a Days worth of food (dwf) is consistent for John and his mother once they are the only two left we have
21076-10,998 = 10078 days @ 1dwf/day = 10078dwf (for John alone after mum death)
10,998-x dwf @ 2dwf/day (for john and mum alone after flashback)
If everyone died immediately following the flashback and all 59 were alive at the flashback then where dwf=good food (and assuming 8 months is C. 244days)
10,078dwf+2(10,988-x)dwf = 58 * 244dwf = 14,396dwf (-10,078dwf both sides)
21,976dwf-2x dwf = 4,318dwf (-21,976dwf and *-1 both sides)
2x dwf = 17,658dwf (/2dwf both sides)
x = 8829
x would represent John being 24.2 years old in the flashback, which he isn't, so they're not eating good rations
For dwf=poor food (and 14 months is C. 426days)
10078dwf+2(10,988-x)dwf = 59 * 426dwf = 25134dwf (-10078dwf both sides)
21976dwf-2x dwf = 15056dwf (-21976dwf and * -1 both sides)
2x dwf = 6,920dwf (/2dwf both sides)
x = 3,460
x would represent John being 9.5 at the time of the flashback. The margins here are quite tight so the rest of the vault must not have survived long after the flashback. By which I mean if the flashback was Johns 11th birthday there are 1096dwf spare so everyone could survive 19 days. If the flashback was day 5096 (the current age of the child actor today) that's 3252dwf spare which gives everyone 55 days or if the population halved every 27.5 days then maybe 6 months.
If any of them were dead before the flashback the timing and food consumption doesn't add up. Fewer alive when the 8 or 14 months is said means less food total means fewer rations to work with. John must be avoiding the scurvy and rickets with the vitamins he's taking.
The calculations show when the flashback could of occured. If you assume John as 11 at the time of the flashback there are only about 250 days worth of food spare for other survivors over what is needed for John and his mother to survive to day 10,998. So they must die pretty swiftly after that flashback. The child actor is 14 so maybe there are a few hundred food days but that still means the 59 need to die off at a rate of about halving every 27 days for there to be enough food left for John to have 27 years of food left now.
So only thing what could be worse as math is... math in a language which is not your natural language :D But well done, it took some moments for me to understand but it is just logic.
Yeah, it turns out, looking at the dates in the video some of my assumptions don't stand up to scrutiny, I have another reply detailing why elsewhere.
Bravo. I admire your math skills.
Let's not forget that, as various people died off there would be an...extra surplus of... well lets just say protein. I'd say roughly 80 pounds of usable meat?
I think that the mother when s*** hit the fan decided to take John and herself into the level one area lock themselves off then kept her and her son alive using the medical supplies and food rations
oh crap, I didn't consider that...
Looking at the map, where did 57 other people sleep? In a pile in the war room?
That's what i was wondering too..
I'm hoping that this bunker was only meant to hold like 10 people tops or something like that or maybe this is only one section and there's another building/level above that evacuated downwards. They would have had to make stairwell beds. I'm thinking there will be corpses lining the 'exit' stairwell and in the sewage room. If not, maybe they cannibalised the recently deceased.
Whatever the reason, I could swear it has something to do with the fact that there was rioting outside the emergency blast doors and not the main.
sacrosanct23
I'm thinking cannibalism too, It also helps explain the food that hasn't been eaten. cans will last but fresh meat goes off quick.
Not all bunkers are made for long term occupancy. They probably converted sections of the "war room" into a barracks, as the war was pretty much over for them.
+TheRoanock I've been to this bunker as its very close to me, they have these sleeping quarters with lots of bunk beds as well as special rooms for pm and cabinet
John hasn't played the Last of us? Losing the daughter in that prologue had a bigger emotional impact on me than probably any movie or tv-show ever.
Ok so 59*8 is 472 months for one person. 472/12 is 39.2 years. So 19.6 years for two persons. We know that john is 30, so if we assume that he was ten in the flashback, he should be running out of food right about now.
Edit ah missed the 14 months for 59 people.
This would be 34.4 years years for two people, since mum died after 20 years this would result in (34-20)*2= 28 years. So yeah it checks out.
What if there was no bombs and the bunker was just an experiment?
PLOT TWIST!!!
But there was a blast when he was born. No bombs, totally. Maybe an odd building fell right on top of them, I dunno.
Thunder Soul Or a grenade test?
Greninja Desteny Grenades wouldn't shake the ground *that* hard. Only nukes, buildings, meteorites or bunker busters. In 3rd/4rth cases we wouldn't see anything past that point.
demon spawn kills everyone but mother
In answer to your question from 21:39 ...you don't see any bodies do you? The "other" white meat...
man didnt even think about where the bodies were..... the other white meat leaner then chicken...lol
exactly what I thought too
as quoted from the martian "there'll be enough supplies"
gotta love long pork
You can always make more
Interesting story, and absolutely BRILLIANT direction/cinematography. I would love to see more games like this. Thanks for sharing, Jon!!!!
I'd love to see a full play through with your commentary, since you know England so well
Clearly he didn't try to cover up the radiation leak Jon, otherwise radiation would of stopped leaking in.
Loving this one Jon, My most memorable FMV game back in the day was "Silent Steel" where you were an Attack Submarine Captain and you had to make decisions on things the crew were telling you about....bloody addictive
If they would have eaten normal rations:
1st case
59*8 months =472 months for one person
236 months for 2 = 19 years worth of food.
2nd case:
(59 people *14 months/2 people)/12 months =34.41 years.
There is no other way than "additional food sources" (eg cannibalism) to get those numbers.
Edit: It CAN work out if his mother died with the others and he was just hallucinating her! Then the numbers would actually work out, just fine.
Oh boy.
An NBC suit stops Nuclear, Biological and Chemical contaminants from killing the wearer (for a while). It typically consists of a gas mask (typically an s10 gas mask in the case of a british bunker in that sort of time period) and a tyvek rubber/plastic jumpsuit with a hood, boot covers and thick rubber gloves
"Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way…" (8:35)
the time is gone the song is over thought I'd something more to say
Please play more of this. Right off the back i was not into this but im loving it by the end
I'd leave strait away and get myself a fat man and some power armour that's what fallout taught me!
I'd become the guy outside megaton in fallout 3 if I did that...
Fallout taught me to kill everything in my way (even the things that are not) and take what I want. >:D
What need some water?*Gives water bottle*
Bradly Clarke *puts live grenade in pocket and takes all the caps * hehe >:)
for a second i didn't realize you were referencing a mini nuke launcher and thought you were describing a very kinky night
"No one bothered to nuke Newcastle..." Golden! As I currently live in Edinburgh, I squinted quite closely to the monitor to find out where the Scottish bomb fell. Unfortunately, they targeted that one well and destroyed Glasgow and Edinburgh in one go.
I absolutely love your lets plays! The way you commentate and explain things is utterly wonderful!
Please play this through Jon. I think I enjoy watching you play this more than I like playing it!
N.B.C Suit = Nuclear, Biological, Chemical Suit. Basically a Hazmat suit
This Game Looks Utterly Incredible. And As Far As I'm Concerned, They Nailed The Suspense In The Horror Segments, So Also Utterly Bloody Terrifying. Good Luck And Good Work Mate, Can't Wait To See The Rest Of This Play-Through :)
This reminds me of how much fun I had with those Sega CD FMV games like Sewer Shark, Mad Dog MacCree, Tomcat Alley, Jurassic Park and such. We old people surely had some great consoles.
Very happy with this lets play. I'll be watching the full thing.
Really enjoyed this one! Hope that you do more, it's not something I would be arsed to play, but fun to watch!
So my hometown of Basingstoke just got mentioned for the first time in video game history, yaaaay 😂😂
I'm from Reading, and experienced the same sensation...followed by confusion as to whether I should be pleased that we got bombed or not. xD
Yes we die but hey at least we get a mention! Ahaha
We got a mention in the text adventure version of Hitchhikers Guide viva Basingstoke
I'm born and raised in England and have never heard of Basingstoke.
Well it's one of the largest towns in Basingstoke and featured heavily in the doomsday book - but tbh, not knowing about it is probably better than how people generally regard it if they don't live there
I feel genuinely excited for the next episode.
going to be honest, I thought this was going to be terrible Jon, but youve found another jewel. cant wait to see part 2!
What did he do with his Mum's body?
OK, that's just creepy
Well I mean it's kinda sweet In its own way what else is he supposed to do
He could stop reading to it at least.
Will the bloody Dark Brotherhood leave me alone already. I get it, me, you're kitty listener, is the only one who will do work, but for fuck sakes,I'm just one Khajit, I need to breathe.......... And burn shit (because obviously I specked into one handed and destruction magic over sneak and lock picking).
Since it's rude to just flush her, and he can't go outside, he took the cover sheet and covered her.
It's like mummification, without the organ removal and drying of the skin!
The reason it's hugged around her face is because the little boy didn't tighten the wrapping, so it god sucked in as the cells died and decayed, causing space to fill with the sheet!
So yes, those were where her eyes were!
reading time was part of the routine, of course he still does it
I'm gonna math a bit. The food supplies bugged me as well. Let's just say the average resident would consume a can a day, the 8 months point would mean they had around 14160 cans remaining. Now with that amount, it's easier to see how he can still have 27+ years of supply, as he would have around 9920 or so cans remaining by the point the game takes place. So if everyone died over time rather than immediately, the amount they state he has left is pretty dang reasonable.
The only answer to the food supply question is that Jon and his Mum must have eaten the others
2:38 I didn't know the Hulk was a game producer.
It's so atmospheric, really enjoyed! Can't wait for more!
I had done some preliminary math and here are the numbers. they had said 14 months of reduced rations. If you assume he is 10 in the video, and everyone died that day, then what would feed 59 people for 14 months, would be able to feed 2 people for 12390 days. (14 months, assuming 30 days in a month, 420 days, for 59 people, means it would feed 1 person for 24,780, at the reduced rations, or two people for half as long.) now if two people eat those same reduced rations for 20 years, (when he's 30) that approximates to 7300 days. subtract that from the original 12390 days of food for 2 people, and you're left with 5090 days of food for 2 people, which would feed one person for twice as long. Or 10190 days, which is just shy of 28 years. So this means that everyone died on the day of that memories, and john and his mother were eating reduced rations (1 can a day likely) for 20 years before she finally died. If john was older, or people died well after that flashback there would be a lot of ways of messing up the math. However this WOULD explain why he was on the toilet at the time when he was eating, as they had mentioned that they would be suffering from things like scurvy and rickets. Also as a bonus question, his mother passed on August 12th, 2016, and the computer error happens on Dec. 3, 2016.
Hey Jon, I'm going to try for those MATN points. Those two guys from the flashback were talking about scurvy and rickets, both highly unlikely symptoms of starvation.
However, a possible common cause for both is vitamin deficiency of some sort. Perhaps the supplies they were talking about were not food at all, but rather some sort of supplement.
This would tie in nicely with the fact that the time estimate for the bunker dwellers was given by a doctor rather than some logistics guy, but I think that's pretty thin.
Assuming 3 'meals' a day there were 42,480 meals (((3x59)x30)x8) when John is 10. To survive 19 years John and his mother require 20,805 meals each ((3x365)x19) assuming the three meals. Now, if the mother went on bare minimum (assuming that to be 1 'meal' a day) the total used by jut John and Mum would be ((365x19)+ 20805) or 27,740. That leaves 14,740 meals left. That's 13.46 years or 4,913 days with three 'meals' per day. If we reduce to two years per day we get 20.19 years (7,370 days) and if we reduce to one meal per day as shown we have 40 years or 14740 days left. However you work it the maths is off without later replenishment.
I'm fairly certain it isn't a total food shortage that is killing them. Sam (the fellow in the suit from the flashback) said that people would die from rickets and scurvy from a lack of foods containing vitamin c. This is also why John must consume his vitamin supplements daily, as they are his only source of vitamin c anywhere in the known bunker. His mother most likely dies from this by choice, letting herself die in order for her son to live, reducing vitamin consumption.
Additionally, this is why the man dressed in beige from the first flashback scares Sam with the threat of having rioting over the last tin of peaches.
Nevermind
American Vaults:
Insane experiments, internal conflicts, horrific monsters breaking in...
British Vault:
"So... we're all doomed?"
"It would appear so."
"Ah... Bother."
"Indeed."
I think there was one of toys on the ground, under the chair in the room with radiation sickness info-thingy.
Didn't realise this was a new game, I thought it was from years ago when FMV was still a thing.
Very fun watching you play a game that's a throwback 'old school style' one such as this, MaTN. Thank you kindly, Sir. (also, NBC suit is a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical pretective suit...aka, the annoyingly thick rubber and plastic suit combined with a breather mask that all military veterans LOATHE with all our hearts.) :)
V/R,
NarcanGoat, aka President of the MaTN Alaskan Goat Fan Club. ;)
No Diamond City Radio! ._.
Would be amazed if Travis could boost the signal to the UK.
The classical stuff isn't that entertaining (unless it's feeling good, in which case, that's a true classic). Give me sex pistols or give me death.
Super good. Would definitely like to see more.
looking forward to the next episode!
About the food situation: If everyone did spontaneously die, but still remained in the vault, John and his mother would have 57 fresh corpses, there could be some kind of freezer or other preservatives that would keep the corpses fresh for all that time and they resorted to cannibalism and just recently run out of corpses, leaving him with the 27 years worth of food.
If Jon was to pick the other boxes he could have had "Canned David" or sardines.
This seems so cool! Cant wait for more episodes.
Yes, please do more.
Wow, this is really well done. Getting good actors and a competent director makes for a quality game, who would have guessed? One thing though, I'm pretty sure these FMV games didn't come about in the mid-90's, first FMV game I recall playing was en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Lair_(1983_video_game) and I'm not sure that's even the first one.
27:22 Is nobody else concerned that this bunker of 59 people only had 2 living rooms?
Wow, the drawn on flowers really got to me. I started to tear up. :'/
I love that this game is breaking new ground and push the boundaries of gaming but I'd also like to see a cinematically recorded game that puts more action into "live action."
This is filmed really well. Decent actors too. It's like a netflix original
Love this so much Jon! You are fantastic.
I would argue that Troy Baker in TLOU was a stunning example of voice acting and the scene was profoundly emotional. We didn't need live action to get his pain across.
Screaming at the screen at 32:46 because he didn't see the toy doll on the floor under the chairs...
It looks like most of the filming is based on the Secret Bunker, a Nuclear Bunker in Scotland for use in case the Soviet's decided to nuke us back in the Cold War, it was for the UK's top ranking Government officials/military figures etc(no, not Action Man toys) Basically for us normies, we got fucking nuked and either died or turned into Ghouls. It's a very intriguing place to visit, actually. It's full of old tech, I genuinely would recommend a visit if you live in the UK. They have a cinema room which plays all the old Cold War stuff about keeping your home safe etc, it's all very funny. "Cover up with your windows with sandbags!" Yeaaaah that's going to prevent Nuclear Fallout and Radiation isn't it?
Woah! The graphics are amazing!
27:56
Holy shit, one of those nukes hit straight upon my home town :O
Jeez, I'm getting teary 14 minutes in, this is 10/10!
Well there's 24 months worth of food for three people. So, Saying everyone died soon after him being 10 years old that means you simply divide 3 into 59 which equals 19.66 repeated. So lets just say 20, so now there's enough food for 20 different sets of three people. Three people make up 24 months, so multiply 20 people by 2 years and get 40 years worth of food for one person. Let's say the main character and his mother were the only two people left for the past 20 years, it is very possible that they rationed well enough to have 27 years left worth of food after 20 years if they only ate one can a day.. Because eating one can a day isn't considered eating well, that's rationing what they have. So if you divided the 40 years of food for person by 2 that would be 20 years, then also consider 20 years of rationing, saving 7 years of food is very logical and possible.
This is fantastic! I can't wait to see more!
is this going to be a full series?
Yes - another part of tomorrow.
I love your work Jon
BTW, the person would run out of food at the age of 29, a year before his mother died.
MATHS
1,333 cal per day for 1 person (2/3 of normal value because of rations)
59 people = 78,666 cal per day
8 months(240 days) means the bunker needs 18,871,840 calls total
For the person and his mom to survive (2 people) they would need 2,666 cal per day
that means that they would use up the remaining supply in just about 19 years, assuming everyone died that very same day as the man talked about food.
This means that the person would run out of food at the age of 29, so the person couldn't have had 27 more years of food, because he would need 365 days of the 2,666 cal thing (for his dear mother and him) and 9,855 more days of 1,333 calls per day, totaling about 14,109,805 more cals of food.
Furthermore, there are 97 calls in one cup of peas and carrots. This means, in total, the person would need 340,017 cans of soup. Supposing that each can has a volume consisting with how much soup is in a cup, he would need 21251.0625 liquid gallons of room to store it.
Anyway, doesn't make sense to me.
Bloody nora, that must've taken you awhile to figure out.
thank goodness i haven't even made it half way through and i'm hooked.
NBC suit: Nuclear Biological and Chemical warfare suit, My profile pic has an example of a British NBC suit that was vacuum packed until i bought it. They are like a hazmat suit only much less effective. Commonly refereed to as noddy suits fore some reason.
The background sound-effects is so Fallout 1 @ approx 8 minutes!
@39:00 I was not expecting the power to come back on. good call on the air filtration system! Nuclear Biological Containment?
welcome back fmv i actually missed you.
If this becomes a full playthrough, there should be commenter prediction awards at the end for MATN points! Lets upvote and make it happen! Bonus points for how close to the beginning the prediction was made :D
they would have needed something along the lines of 23,725 cans left to survive the approximate calculations of years 19 with mama and 27 more. 13870+9855=23725 spread over 248 days for 59 people, if everyone besides him and the mom dropped dead immediately after that discussion took place it all comes out to them planning on rationing 1.62ish cans to everyone per day for eight months leaving the inheritance needed by Jon and mama Jon. yeah maths. I shouldn't have to explain the algebra it's a lot of cans and its feasible given a big enough storage.
The way you say "vitamins" kills me Jon.
Almost as great as frothy
You mean throthy?
I die a little when he says vitamins
Wait, what's wrong with how he says vitamins? That's correct?
Some places pronounce it "Vi Ta Mens" instead of "Vit A Mins"
the blocks in the war room is what you use to carve your toys on the map
"...unerring, quiet suffering and misery. As everyone just sits around and obeys the routine and waits to die" To me that sums up British life perfectly
Okay, math time!
Assumptions:
1. There is still at the time of the conversation 59 people in the vault.
2. We'll assume a 30 day month.
So they could eat well for 8 months (240 days) or stretch it up to 14 months (420 days) on the bare minimum.
Multiply this by the number of people in the vault, if only one were eating this brings this up to 14,160 days (~38.8 years) - 24,780 days (~67.9 years).
In the food check scene, he said there was 27 years, 3 months, 14 days of food left (9,959 days).
Subtracting this from the earlier totals we get 4201 days (11.5 years) - 14820 days (40.6 years) that have been consumed between the flashback and the present.
If we also assume that the only occupants are the character and his mother and they therefore consume 2 units of food per day that means at full rations the flashback occurred 2100 days (5.75 years) ago which seem unlikely as he was clearly not 25 in that flashback. And at minimal rations it has 7410 days (20.3 years ago).
So, if he was 10 years old at the time of the flashback the food supply checks out at the bare minimal amount. If he is a bit older, perhaps 12-14 that gives a decent amount of extra food. Perhaps the mother kept him fed on more food to keep him healthier while only eating the minimum herself, eventually leading to the sickness that killed her.
I like this....you really feel empathy for John
Okay, so if John was ten at the time of that flashback, then there was enough for 59 people for 8 months, or 472 food-months(or 39 food-years, 4 food-months) . Assuming his mother killed everyone but him later that day, they'd need 40 food-years to survive until he turned 30. That gives us an 8 food-month gap to overcome for him to even turn 30.
So, assuming they are thin and living a very sedentary lifestyle, we can assume they could survive on 3,000 calories per day, especially during the important "death of everyone but him and his mother" period when he was quite young. We need to find were they got the extra 1.44 million calories they'd have needed to survive.
The largely intact corpses of 57 adult humans would be worth about 4.65 million calories., or about 1548 food-days (4.24 food-years). That's more than enough to cover that gap, and I feel it's safe to assume that they did not consume the entire body of their victims. This assumption is based on the state of his mother's corpse. The skeleton is intact, but all of her soft tissues must have been removed prior to putrefaction or that room would still not be tolerable to entire after a mere year. Care was taken to highlight the eye sockets with the shroud, making it clear that she wasn't simply mummified by bunker air.
That would not leave us with anything like the over 27 years of food he expects to still have left. My best figures would give him 7 years, 4 months and 28 days of food remaining.
From there it's not a stretch to assume his mother, the cannibal-murderess, may have become ill and died as a result of eating sub-normal rations in an attempt to prolong the time her son could survive. This would extend his food supply an indefinite amount, but still could not attain the 27 year figure, so I'm forced to conclude that he's a bit shite at maths.
Good call man. My best guess purely going on rations was 19.6 years of eating well(roughly 27 of restricted living as you said) I like the originality of "recycling" the dead vault dwellers but there would be no way of preserving the meat. Unless there was a ridiculous amount of salt. Or an industrial sized freezer. Which I saw no evidence of given that all good seen was in cans. So even with your ingenuity at best you'd get a month extra food. That would require staggered death rates and maths more complex than it's worth to make sure you got a net gain on food used to keep extra residents alive vs the neat you'd gain from their bodies
i think that the mother killed everyone(explanation for the blood stains) so they could live a long life(also an explanation for their survival) and she wanted john to never find out(explanaton for the "don't get out" rule)
Did anyone else notice that during the power off cut-scene, there was a shot of the infirmary, and it looked like (To me at least) that the beds were *occupied*
Right, for your maths puzzle. It is possible for that much food to be still be there:
Game states, "8 months of food minimum". To me, this implies 59 eat 3 meals a day.
First approximation; 8*30 (months times days, as we don't know what month that happened in) = 240 days.
59*3 = 177 meals a day (number of people times 3 meals a day)
177*240 = 42'480 tins of food for 59 people to last 8 months, eating 3 meals a day.
John's current situation, he's eating 1 meal a day (how do we know its one? He sticks to a routine where food is listed once daily, this is also the Second approximation).
If John has enough food to last 27 years;
27*365.25 = 9'861.75 days (27 years times the Physics quantity for a year, so includes leap years).
So if John eats 1 tin a day, he has 9'861.75 (round to 9'862) days of food left.
This implies that (42'480-9'681.75) 32'618.25 tins of food have been consumed already.
Ok, lets say for argument sakes that both John and his mother had reduced rations for the 19-20 years they've been in there.
John would've had 20*365.25 tins, and his mother 19*365.25 tins (Third approximate, the mother died exactly after 19 years, a pretty large approximation I know)
So together, they would've eaten 14'244.75 tins of food, which as you could probably guess, is SMALLER than the 32'618.25 tins of food eaten prior to John's 27 years stash.
In truth Jon, both John and his mother could've eaten 2 meals a day, and there'd still be enough tins left for the 27 year stockpile (with 28'489.5 tins consumed). 3 years isn't possible however, but of course we know both 2 and 3 meals a day would not of occurred, why? The routine.
So Jon to answer your maths puzzle, it is possible for John to still have 27 years worth of food left.
(Its probably already been solved, just wanted to throw my answer out there)
Given that 59 people would have 8 months of food to eat "well", multiply 59 by 8 and you find that there's enough food for a single person to sustain 472 months of comfortable eating. Assuming a catastrophic incident occurred immediately after the scene where John overhears the two men (whether radiation exposure, espionage, disease being spread, etc.) and only he and his mother are survivors, that's 472 months of comfort eating for two people, making 236 months total. However, knowing how limited supplies are, it could be surmised John's mother decided to use the emergency rationing. So take that 472 months and multiply by 14/8 to amplify the amount (14 months being an extension of the 8 months) now being 826 months, or 413 months with the two eating. Using your estimate of John being 10, only 20 years passed until his mother died. That would use just 240 months of the 413, so subtraction gives John an inherited 173 to his 173 (346). 346 months is 28.83 years of eating. Assuming he's accounting for some spoilage, we can smudge the numbers down to 27 years left.
Please make this a series
Enjoying this very much
Assuming John is eating barebones and the vitamins prevent scurvy, there was enough food for 59 to last 14 months. That's 25141 units of food, if each person eats 1 per day. John has 27 years of food left for 1 person which is 9861 units. In the ~20 years since the flashback he and his mother would have consumed a combined 14610 units. Adding up to a total of 24471 units, leaving 670 units unaccounted for. That would be consumed by 59 people in 11 days. So everyone died within about two weeks of the flashback.
The dolls were made from the blocks the officers were using on the war room table to represent troop movement.
I was considering the number of people to be a variable. So we had 8 months of food for x amount of people and then food for his mom and him for 19 years and then he had 27 years and 3 months for just him. So 8x=783, x=97.875. So granting a margin of error I would say that there were around 98-100 people in the bunker.
I guess it's possible the more influential people in the vault kept extra food for themselves and they weren't concerned with how much everyone else would have?
They may also have some way to grow food too, surely. Perhaps not anywhere John visited.
+Many a True Nerd, you should really watch "Threads", also a British thing, also a movie, also 80s, also nuclear apocalypse.
Very good thing.
I'm emotionally invested, please finish this game
Yes.
This is awesome.
I must have more.
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Yes, a very British game. Had to break out some Boddingtons and Old Speckled Hen for this playthrough. Cheers!
I'd like to see more of this
Jon at the end when you look at the numbers in the thousands, it's almost certainly the day that they died/were confirmed to have died, in the same way the date of the game is like 10,000 days, so in otherwords the place you pointed at died about 2/3rds of the way through the timespan the game is over
The fuse wasn't destroyed. It was *gone*. Something took the fuse. That was an empty fuse case. WTF
The math works out assuming usage of the minimum rations:
59 * 14 = 826 food-month left in the throwback
27 * 12 + 3 = 327 food-month left now
=> used up 499
assuming 19 years for 2 persons + 4 month since death of mother: 19 * 12 * 2 + 4 = 460 food month
leaves 39 food month for the rest of them, so not even 1 month before they all died
Even assuming only 17 years between throwback and death of mother leaves less than 2 month before they all died
Has Jon played any other new FMV games? If not, I feel like he would really enjoy Contradiction.
I loved that game! I think Jon would enjoy it.