I feel the same way about prismatic. It’s essentially retired so many standalone subclasses and long term could be a huge problem for overall game balance and tuning.
I think the base classes need something like transcendence,transcendence is so strong and going back to playing without it feels like such a power drop especially when it’s not something you need to spec into ,no matter what build your running on prismatic you have a mini ability spam build built in,I would love something like “mastery” where instead of combing light and dark it would be focused on buffing that given subclasses ability’s and verbs
Ye and you build up the bar by using the same damage type as the super, encouraging full specing into the damage type with your weapons. In 'mastery' you get the ability regen, and same damage types get increased damage and the verbs but they could use new 'rounds' to make it new any interesting (suppression rounds, severing rounds, blinding rounds, etc).
Bro mastery sounds dope. Like give every ability the base subclasses have like a extra thing for example titan arc melees more damage more range make them all jolt or be able to do a completely new follow up attack right after or imagine beeing able to double tcrash like the arc hunter super or give them a mastery nade which is just a cracked version of the other nades or its 1 nade which is a combination of the other nades thats just very strong.
This is a very accurate representation where each subclass stands, me personally I love strand, despite how powerful prismatic is. I personally think each non-prismatic subclass should receive a similar meter to fill up similar to transcendence, for example you're on a strand subclass, you fill up the meter, go into the strand version of "transcendence" do a cool animation and get woven mail, sever each target on hit, and gain unraveling sounds as well as fast ability recharge rate until the meter runs out, or let's say you're on void, pop the "transcendence" and gain an overshield as well as volatile rounds and weaken, that would make each single element subclass feel fresh and on par with prismatic
Prismatic is definitely a Segway into all the subclasses being combined into one as a way to open up the builds way more. Genuinely hope we continue down this path and go more towards the “class tree” setup
they really need to buff the base subclasses to make them more worth to use imo. Since Prismatic is a Jack of all trade Master of all, they should make the base subclasses have their stand out point, like if Arc is very good for ad clear, then make Arc's ad clear ability more stronger something like that.
WE DONT NEED A D3 WE NEED BUNGIE TO BE BRAVE WITH CLASS REWORKS OVERHAULS I CANNOT BE FUCKED WITH LOSING EVERYTHING AGAIN. Fr though theres no technical reason to make another game like d1.
Call me a Madman but... I got one hell of an idea Turn Transcendence INTO the Prismatic Super. This would do 2 things, 1. Weaken Prismatic so it only has 1 kind of Super, and 2. Give EVERY Single Element subclass a niche, even Tickle Fingers. This would Hit Prismatic Hard, Yes, but I would also make it so you can Select which grenade you want for Transcending, And make it so Grace gets the one of the ends of the Artifact mod Transference (Either Extra Grenade / Melee damage, or Weapon damage while Transcendent refunds progress), Replacing the "Super kills grant increased Transcendence Energy" On the more Fine tuned side... I don't exactly know but for a good start for each class would be the following Warlock, change out Lighting Surge for Arc Soul, since its a weaker Aspect (or so i'm told) and you wouldn't have to use Getaway to get the double buddy. For Hunters, Calm down their Melee prowess and give them more gun focused Class perks as well as Increasing the cooldown for their Threaded Spike, idk why That gets to keep its cooldown while the other Strand Melees get Increased cooldowns, specially since as a hunter main i feel as if its the easiest to keep up. Titans... Keep them where they are. Sure they'll be S tier still, but if you can hold your own while in the middle of an army, I think you deserve it.
Hey! Great vid as always, In my opinion prismatic is overtuned and will stay overtuned as its just more fun than most other subclass (Neutral game is awesome as all 3 prismatics and leaves other subclasses that arent strand titan/solar-anything in the dust because they simply lack options. Destiny always has had the problem of not having many build choices for a looter shooter, subclasses 3.0 kinda solved the issue but each subclass still has only like 2 different variations of usable fragments you could do, but prismatic is fixing the issue by merging all subclasses into a powerhouse and giving the players ALL the tools. I also think that eventually destiny 3 will abandon characters all together and will make it so every character can spec into hunter/warlock/titan specifically like we do right now with individual subclasses (Encourages people to try and play many builds witheout having to gear up 3 different chars)
Prismatic consolidated a lot of different subclasses into one. I used to have different build loadouts for each element. But now it’s just a few different prismatic builds.
Stasis hunter would of been B or low A tier if prismatic didn’t come out after all the buffs it got Has good DR, good CC and neutral game, and the super actually does damage now
First way to balance elementals with prisma is increase number of facets for elemental, like gunpowder gumble gives 3 slots for prismatic, but 2 for solar. Why(. Having 6 slots for elemental classes would give stronger builds and mb encourage people to try them for builds. But also i think subclasses should have some unique things, mb as void centered a lot of things for invis and devour, solar for ignisions and healing, each class can have some buf or debuff which is easily obtained and sustained only within its class.
Honestly the only way for this prismatic subclass to be in the game is if they agree to just make it a jack of all trades but master of none kinda thing. Light and dark subclasses have their neache but as of right now, prismatic does everything just better. Mostly because they dont lose any dmg or sustain for having everything xd.
Great list! But you're severely selling Strand Hunter Short. The playstyle you described is about the worst possible way to play it! Threaded Spectre and Whirling Maelstrom are far and away the most powerful aspects. The ability to stay hyper mobile and constantly spread unravel everywhere is insane, especially with threaded blast right now!
As fun as Prismaric is, I honestly think it needs a nerf if we want any sense of balance long term. It's already replaced half of the subclasses and further additions will just continue to make other builds obsolete. I'm already kind of sick of prismatic because it feels like you're pigeonholed into 1 or 2 endgame viable builds. It's just the "born to nova, forced to well" problem all over again. As for buffing the base subclasses, the only ones truly in need of serious buffs are Revenant, Behemoth, Striker, Sentinel, and Stormcaller. Every other subclass is definitely endgame viable, even if overshadowed by prismatic. (also revert the bonk hammer pickup cooldown nerf, that shit dumb as hell)
@@lelouch1430 agree too. I’m a little biased because stasis titan is my main class so I’d rank it A tier. Stronghold lament and lancecap wicked implement or buried bloodline are both two of the best gm builds in the game.
Prismatic should not get nerfed because it's fun. But the other classes should get buffed and add some new abilities to them like transcendence but around the solar.void.arc.strand.stasis theme but also just give stasis warlock a new super that thing is trash
I think prismatic reveled how bad some of these classes are. Like arc hunter. Prismatic hunter got one melee ability from arc hunter and that made arc hunter useless…. If that happens that’s not prismatic that’s arc hunter being a terrible subclass with one op ability and everything else being terrible.
Though the ascension arc hunter build is pretty good, a ton of subclasses are either useless or have one really good thing that when taken and given to a different class, it sucks. I’d say they need to look at nearly every single aspect in the game and buff them, maybe consider allowing class items to work outside of prismatic, add a transendance to all subclasses, and look at some of the ability spam nerfs like ahamkaras and stuff that took away any kind of ability loops outside of prismatic. That or get rid of sub classes entirely and put all abilities on prismatic and let it all go nuts
@@Beeequick There have been too many times when I've started making a build for one of the regular subclasses, had it not work, and then disappointedly remembered that the exotics are limited to prismatic.
@@galaxylord4000 Yeah, it sucks. I'm assuming the only reason they didn't do it is because they were worried about having to deal with a ton of bugs. Easier when it only applies to the one subclass I think.
@@DLGambitdefinitely getaway artist and bleak watcher … w/ breachlight + ergo sum I made a video on it! ruclips.net/video/qv0t83vKL58/видео.htmlsi=IrZe8yj3TqHhOtGn
Your video was pretty good overall but your take on stasis warlock was so unbelievably horrid I just shut the video off right after that. how you can have good take after good take and then follow up with a statement so misinformation and not thought out is beyond me
I'd say it is a B tier. The super is the worst in the game so that is probably why he ranked in @ C tier. edit: also with prismatic there is no reason to ever use stasis warlock again because prismatic has bleak watcher and you aren't forced to use winters wrath.
@@lingeringdread a bleakwatcher without ice flare bolts is nowhere near as potent as one with that aspect equipped. Judging prismatic warlock 90% off getaway arrest as the argument for power creeping stasis warlock (which is clearly the in between the lines argument that he made) is very much so an overstatement. They don’t serve the same purpose. You CANNOT flash freeze a room on demand with prismatic warlock. Note: I am not suggesting stasis warlock is S tier or even A tier. There is a reason it is only used in GMs, because defensive crowd control is not needed in the overwhelming amount of content in the game that isn’t of endgame difficulty. But to suggest that stasis warlock (the overwhelmingly strongest stasis class) as being the worst is just wrong
@@c_l_a_d_d_i_x GMs are so easy nowadays that stasis turrets are overkill. They are so annoying and block line of sight and just aren't necessary IMO. The super really holds it back and besides osmi gloves it has no other solid end game PVE builds. The best defense is better offense. And I said I would rank it B tier which is where most standalone subclasses are. And I disagree, to me stasis titan is the best end game PVE stasis subclass bc of the super.
@@lingeringdread none of what you said about it being not necessary takes away from the capabilities the build can bring to the table. It is a niche but that niche (on demand mass crowd control from any distance WITHOUT requiring kills) is pretty much only fulfilled by like 3 builds in the entire game. I too would either rate it top of B or bottom of A. That being said, I don’t play it often because I like to play fast. I personally am on necrotic grip prismatic 99% of the time. It’s one of the few (and the best) exotics that you can benefit from in all 3 aspects of prismatic (neutral game, prismatic, and super song of flame) necrotic grip works with all three. I think getaway artist, while good, is insanely overrated. For one you forfeit the use of your grenade in favor of your exotic or vice versa. Getaway also doesn’t work with prismatic, or song of flame
Void hunter is situational, it’s good if you’re not into playing aggressive. I keep doing GMs with Solar warlocks and seeing them constantly die because Solar has zero damage reduction outside of the supers. Prismatic is far better with all the damage reduction and ad clear
I feel the same way about prismatic. It’s essentially retired so many standalone subclasses and long term could be a huge problem for overall game balance and tuning.
Meaning Stasis, Arc, and maybe Void. Solar and Strand definitely still have their use
The easy fix is to create solid new supers locked to the prime subclasses.
I think the base classes need something like transcendence,transcendence is so strong and going back to playing without it feels like such a power drop especially when it’s not something you need to spec into ,no matter what build your running on prismatic you have a mini ability spam build built in,I would love something like “mastery” where instead of combing light and dark it would be focused on buffing that given subclasses ability’s and verbs
Ye and you build up the bar by using the same damage type as the super, encouraging full specing into the damage type with your weapons. In 'mastery' you get the ability regen, and same damage types get increased damage and the verbs but they could use new 'rounds' to make it new any interesting (suppression rounds, severing rounds, blinding rounds, etc).
@@Hawkeye201100 completely agree, transcendence is so strong
Bro mastery sounds dope. Like give every ability the base subclasses have like a extra thing for example titan arc melees more damage more range make them all jolt or be able to do a completely new follow up attack right after or imagine beeing able to double tcrash like the arc hunter super or give them a mastery nade which is just a cracked version of the other nades or its 1 nade which is a combination of the other nades thats just very strong.
This is a very accurate representation where each subclass stands, me personally I love strand, despite how powerful prismatic is.
I personally think each non-prismatic subclass should receive a similar meter to fill up similar to transcendence, for example you're on a strand subclass, you fill up the meter, go into the strand version of "transcendence" do a cool animation and get woven mail, sever each target on hit, and gain unraveling sounds as well as fast ability recharge rate until the meter runs out, or let's say you're on void, pop the "transcendence" and gain an overshield as well as volatile rounds and weaken, that would make each single element subclass feel fresh and on par with prismatic
Prismatic is definitely a Segway into all the subclasses being combined into one as a way to open up the builds way more. Genuinely hope we continue down this path and go more towards the “class tree” setup
they really need to buff the base subclasses to make them more worth to use imo. Since Prismatic is a Jack of all trade Master of all, they should make the base subclasses have their stand out point, like if Arc is very good for ad clear, then make Arc's ad clear ability more stronger something like that.
WE DONT NEED A D3 WE NEED BUNGIE TO BE BRAVE WITH CLASS REWORKS OVERHAULS I CANNOT BE FUCKED WITH LOSING EVERYTHING AGAIN.
Fr though theres no technical reason to make another game like d1.
@@aranax418 yeah I agreeee completely, they’d need to have some technical changes or a whole new engine or something crazy to need a new game.
My goat as always.
Call me a Madman but... I got one hell of an idea
Turn Transcendence INTO the Prismatic Super. This would do 2 things, 1. Weaken Prismatic so it only has 1 kind of Super, and 2. Give EVERY Single Element subclass a niche, even Tickle Fingers.
This would Hit Prismatic Hard, Yes, but I would also make it so you can Select which grenade you want for Transcending, And make it so Grace gets the one of the ends of the Artifact mod Transference (Either Extra Grenade / Melee damage, or Weapon damage while Transcendent refunds progress), Replacing the "Super kills grant increased Transcendence Energy"
On the more Fine tuned side... I don't exactly know but for a good start for each class would be the following
Warlock, change out Lighting Surge for Arc Soul, since its a weaker Aspect (or so i'm told) and you wouldn't have to use Getaway to get the double buddy.
For Hunters, Calm down their Melee prowess and give them more gun focused Class perks as well as Increasing the cooldown for their Threaded Spike, idk why That gets to keep its cooldown while the other Strand Melees get Increased cooldowns, specially since as a hunter main i feel as if its the easiest to keep up.
Titans... Keep them where they are. Sure they'll be S tier still, but if you can hold your own while in the middle of an army, I think you deserve it.
The solution isn't nerfing prismatic (specially titans), but to buff the other subclasses
Every class should get their own version of transcendence
I went from being a solar hunter main to being a prismatic warlock main as soon as final shape dropped lol
@@savathunsweatysocks Bahaha yeah it’s so fun
Sell out 😒😂
@@Danny-hb1zb real
Hey! Great vid as always, In my opinion prismatic is overtuned and will stay overtuned as its just more fun than most other subclass (Neutral game is awesome as all 3 prismatics and leaves other subclasses that arent strand titan/solar-anything in the dust because they simply lack options.
Destiny always has had the problem of not having many build choices for a looter shooter, subclasses 3.0 kinda solved the issue but each subclass still has only like 2 different variations of usable fragments you could do, but prismatic is fixing the issue by merging all subclasses into a powerhouse and giving the players ALL the tools.
I also think that eventually destiny 3 will abandon characters all together and will make it so every character can spec into hunter/warlock/titan specifically like we do right now with individual subclasses (Encourages people to try and play many builds witheout having to gear up 3 different chars)
That’d be super interesting if you could play with different things from each class
Prismatic consolidated a lot of different subclasses into one. I used to have different build loadouts for each element. But now it’s just a few different prismatic builds.
Strand Titan is peak titan man. It’s the one class I want bungie to keep as the punch class frfr. Arc titan is in shambles. Needs an overhaul.
Stasis hunter would of been B or low A tier if prismatic didn’t come out after all the buffs it got
Has good DR, good CC and neutral game, and the super actually does damage now
First way to balance elementals with prisma is increase number of facets for elemental, like gunpowder gumble gives 3 slots for prismatic, but 2 for solar. Why(. Having 6 slots for elemental classes would give stronger builds and mb encourage people to try them for builds. But also i think subclasses should have some unique things, mb as void centered a lot of things for invis and devour, solar for ignisions and healing, each class can have some buf or debuff which is easily obtained and sustained only within its class.
Honestly the only way for this prismatic subclass to be in the game is if they agree to just make it a jack of all trades but master of none kinda thing. Light and dark subclasses have their neache but as of right now, prismatic does everything just better. Mostly because they dont lose any dmg or sustain for having everything xd.
The class item must be allowed to use on other subclasses to make them good ....
Warlock master class as always. 🗣
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Great list! But you're severely selling Strand Hunter Short. The playstyle you described is about the worst possible way to play it! Threaded Spectre and Whirling Maelstrom are far and away the most powerful aspects. The ability to stay hyper mobile and constantly spread unravel everywhere is insane, especially with threaded blast right now!
As fun as Prismaric is, I honestly think it needs a nerf if we want any sense of balance long term. It's already replaced half of the subclasses and further additions will just continue to make other builds obsolete. I'm already kind of sick of prismatic because it feels like you're pigeonholed into 1 or 2 endgame viable builds. It's just the "born to nova, forced to well" problem all over again.
As for buffing the base subclasses, the only ones truly in need of serious buffs are Revenant, Behemoth, Striker, Sentinel, and Stormcaller. Every other subclass is definitely endgame viable, even if overshadowed by prismatic. (also revert the bonk hammer pickup cooldown nerf, that shit dumb as hell)
agreeed old bonk will be missed
i agree with most W vid
W vid , I also agree stasis titan is so underrated n it might b my most fun play style in the game
@@lelouch1430 agree too. I’m a little biased because stasis titan is my main class so I’d rank it A tier. Stronghold lament and lancecap wicked implement or buried bloodline are both two of the best gm builds in the game.
@@lingeringdreadlancecap is so damn good
@@Ballsackeruuuuuu yup works great with revision zero too.
While I agree with shadebinder being low I think it’s notable to say that it has way higher crowd control in high end stuff bc of ice flare bolts
@@BIMB0BAKERY fair point, and to be honest I haven’t messed around with it post stasis changes so it might be better than I thought
Prismatic should not get nerfed because it's fun. But the other classes should get buffed and add some new abilities to them like transcendence but around the solar.void.arc.strand.stasis theme but also just give stasis warlock a new super that thing is trash
I think prismatic reveled how bad some of these classes are. Like arc hunter. Prismatic hunter got one melee ability from arc hunter and that made arc hunter useless…. If that happens that’s not prismatic that’s arc hunter being a terrible subclass with one op ability and everything else being terrible.
Though the ascension arc hunter build is pretty good, a ton of subclasses are either useless or have one really good thing that when taken and given to a different class, it sucks. I’d say they need to look at nearly every single aspect in the game and buff them, maybe consider allowing class items to work outside of prismatic, add a transendance to all subclasses, and look at some of the ability spam nerfs like ahamkaras and stuff that took away any kind of ability loops outside of prismatic. That or get rid of sub classes entirely and put all abilities on prismatic and let it all go nuts
They need to make the exotic class items work on regular subclasses.
I think that’d be super interesting. would definitely help even the playing field not sure if bungie has considered this though
@@Beeequick There have been too many times when I've started making a build for one of the regular subclasses, had it not work, and then disappointedly remembered that the exotics are limited to prismatic.
Wait exotic Class Items ONLY work on Prismatic?! That explains Everything.
@@galaxylord4000 Yeah, it sucks. I'm assuming the only reason they didn't do it is because they were worried about having to deal with a ton of bugs. Easier when it only applies to the one subclass I think.
I'm hurt that voidlock was put so low, but i understand
@@TheBigJebus itsss honestly good, just prismatic does it better unfortunately :/
@@Beeequick brother besides strand titan you could say prismatic exist and putting everything on d or c
@@Beeequick 100% agree, prismatic has really put a damper on all my other builds... Personally tho, I'd put voidlock at least on par with strandlock
@@TheBigJebusyeah that’d be fair
@@Kubo9757real lol
can you make the S+ strand titan build please
What’s your go-to build for prismatic warlock?
@@DLGambitdefinitely getaway artist and bleak watcher … w/ breachlight + ergo sum I made a video on it! ruclips.net/video/qv0t83vKL58/видео.htmlsi=IrZe8yj3TqHhOtGn
Your video was pretty good overall but your take on stasis warlock was so unbelievably horrid I just shut the video off right after that. how you can have good take after good take and then follow up with a statement so misinformation and not thought out is beyond me
I'd say it is a B tier. The super is the worst in the game so that is probably why he ranked in @ C tier. edit: also with prismatic there is no reason to ever use stasis warlock again because prismatic has bleak watcher and you aren't forced to use winters wrath.
@@c_l_a_d_d_i_x I just don’t think there’s a place for stasis warlock anymore with prismatic, I haven’t played around with it much so I could be wrong
@@lingeringdread a bleakwatcher without ice flare bolts is nowhere near as potent as one with that aspect equipped. Judging prismatic warlock 90% off getaway arrest as the argument for power creeping stasis warlock (which is clearly the in between the lines argument that he made) is very much so an overstatement. They don’t serve the same purpose. You CANNOT flash freeze a room on demand with prismatic warlock.
Note: I am not suggesting stasis warlock is S tier or even A tier. There is a reason it is only used in GMs, because defensive crowd control is not needed in the overwhelming amount of content in the game that isn’t of endgame difficulty. But to suggest that stasis warlock (the overwhelmingly strongest stasis class) as being the worst is just wrong
@@c_l_a_d_d_i_x GMs are so easy nowadays that stasis turrets are overkill. They are so annoying and block line of sight and just aren't necessary IMO. The super really holds it back and besides osmi gloves it has no other solid end game PVE builds. The best defense is better offense. And I said I would rank it B tier which is where most standalone subclasses are. And I disagree, to me stasis titan is the best end game PVE stasis subclass bc of the super.
@@lingeringdread none of what you said about it being not necessary takes away from the capabilities the build can bring to the table. It is a niche but that niche (on demand mass crowd control from any distance WITHOUT requiring kills) is pretty much only fulfilled by like 3 builds in the entire game. I too would either rate it top of B or bottom of A.
That being said, I don’t play it often because I like to play fast. I personally am on necrotic grip prismatic 99% of the time. It’s one of the few (and the best) exotics that you can benefit from in all 3 aspects of prismatic (neutral game, prismatic, and super song of flame) necrotic grip works with all three. I think getaway artist, while good, is insanely overrated. For one you forfeit the use of your grenade in favor of your exotic or vice versa. Getaway also doesn’t work with prismatic, or song of flame
Sad how prismatic has essentially power creeped assassins cowl arc hunter which I’ve been using since season 10
Prismatic hunter power crept 90% of every old hunter subclass
The arc hunter glazing is crazy… Do you have a license to ride its meat that hard?🤧🐡
@@kalebthorne1854 I DOOOOOOOOO
this is just hunter cope
Void hunter, solar warlock are still better than prismatic, mainly because of fragments
Void hunter is situational, it’s good if you’re not into playing aggressive. I keep doing GMs with Solar warlocks and seeing them constantly die because Solar has zero damage reduction outside of the supers. Prismatic is far better with all the damage reduction and ad clear
@octaviovargas8518
Just use speakers sight with restoration x2 up all the time