I feel like matchmaking does this on purpose. I'll go up against nothing but mono red for game after game until I switch decks and mono red is nowhere to be found. I'll go back to the other deck and it's mono red again. I personally think there's an algorithm to feed you wins from time to time to keep you more interested in the game. Yes this includes draw steps too. I swear after a couple of losses in a row i'll just draw EXACTLY what I need at the exact time. I've been playing since the game first came out. It's no longer a conincidence.
@fuzzyturtlez8994 you've got to take into account that Seth's assessment of which cards are "never played in Timeless" is just objectively wrong. Like, he's acting like going up against Ashiok in fetchland.format is incredibly low variance.
Seconds into that first match and I'm laughing so much that I don't think I need to watch any further because I'm already entertained and amused enough. Perfect!
Note how there is a cut right after Seth's disappointed look on the layline. He 100% said something that would get this video demonetized on RUclips. I for one would have.
Did you also see that he cracked a fetch on his OPPONENT'S TURN and grabbed a fast land AND PAID TWO??? It was not his turn so you literally cant use the land and it untaps on your turn.... Wtf lmfao
I've been having fun with a mostly mono-blue dredge deck in Bo1. Drowned Secrets can dump your deck into your yard quickly with lots of cheap blue spells and Brainstorm can put Narcomoebas, Creeping Chills, and Arclight Pheonixes back on top of your deck.
Just played against a hilarious deck that was built around “All Will Be One” 3RR enchantment with “whenever you put counters on a permanent or player, deal that much damage to target opponent, creature, or planeswalker” Then they just played battles and planeswalkers. Absolutely hilarious, and I had no response. Might make for a fun video
There’s actually no way game one turn zero his FIRST opponent drops a nightmare right on Seth’s head as he was talking about how unlikely that was to happen 😂😂😂
@@SuperPoochootrain Same 😂 I play a lot of dimir mill in historic with a lot of success and the absolute best card in the deck is glimpse. So much so, that I'll mulligan to as low as 3 to get a glimpse in my hand with a couple of lands.
Feels like you'd want at least one Boseiju before the 2nd Hashep Oasis. I get that it's a desert, but you really need to make sure Leyline doesn't stick around.
I love playing this shell! i took it in a grixis path for lightning bolt and faithless looting. idk if this is just me being a little smooth brain but isn't Boseiju like an auto include? we have 7 cards that can help dig for it and it beats up on some of our nasty match ups.
10:00 Why would you get rid of the Glimpse? It's by far the best card in your deck. Also, with this deck it's often better to play Otherworldly Gaze on your own turn even though it's an instant. Sliversmote Ghoul's ability only triggers at the end of your turn so if you hit a Creeping Chill on your opponent's turn you're potentially losing value.
One or two copies of Haunted Dead would help this deck out abit. Excellent incase you end up drawing your Prized Amalgams, as it lets you discard them and immediatly trigger them to bring them to the battlefield.
You could still cast otherwordly gaze from the graveyard in this game, right? Cast it from hand and have it countered, to have it on the graveyard. Could've helped.
Hey Seth (or whoever reads this)- I have an MTG question. When you grab a watery grave at 4:38 , why shock it in? There's next to no time between when you grab it and your untap step, so why take the damage?
Well what did we learn this week about dredge-less dredge in timeless? 3-2 record, graveyard hate is brutal and surprisingly common, stifle and tidebinder are brutal, and the wrap-up is not in the vid 😢😢
i love dredge, but there were quite a few misplays throughout the games. dredge is one of those decks where you really have to know how to play it if you run into disruption. like letting an opponent untap with deathrite and scooze out instead of pushing hard to get as much value as possible while they're tapped down was an oversight
Maybe a dumb question. But, why you don't play Brainstorm in this kind of deck? I mean, is a lot of fetchs lands, a lot of self mill and you could easily return something bad from hand to mill it.
That last match kind of perfectly illustrates why I think stifle is pretty bad in timeless. Like yes, it's really funny to time walk your opponent on turn one but you also kind of time walk yourself without actually addressing the action in your opponents hand. If you are all in combo you probably don't have space for it, if you're all in control it's probably unnecessary anyway, and if you are midrange/agro like that opponent you basically give up your clock
Dimir Dredge is very popular in BO1. I have been playing it since day 1 of Timeless with a 65%+ WR ending up on the first page of untapped. Now different version are always in the first page. I never tried it in BO3, honestly idk what it would need to be viable, probably at least Hogaak and force of vigor.
i've seen plenty of gameplay but i've never played dredge. Is brainstorm instead of something like Gaze worthwhile, to put stuff back on top of your deck to mill?
I thought this was a best of 1 deck when i first saw it, honestly trying to play dredge in a format where like 3 of the top decks in the format are graveyard decks is ambitious. Rakdos breach, Yawgmoth, and Rakdos lurrus are all tier decks and all suffer to graveyard hate.
I played a version of this in Historic, and it ean a one of Wonder so thay you fan randomly jump your board. I would recommend dropping one of the self mill cards for it, i think.
This feels less “Against the Odds” and more of a meta choice. I run into this deck, basically card for card, all the time and it definitely puts up wins
I think Leyline of the Void and Leyline of Sanctity are just amazing in Timeless with how much the graveyard is used I think 1-2 cards maindeck for hate of it isnt a bad idea anymore even in historic with wizards and the like
Its amazing that minus the Bloodghast, Glimpse the Unthinkable and fetchlands, this deck is legal in Pioneer. There has to be some ok replacements to play it.
Been playing this dredge for two weeks now. Last season took it diamond 2, then hit all the players who actually sideboard good cards and got wrecked game 2 in Bo3’s.
So perhaps im dumb. Why didnt seth just wilt the necropotence in the third round of the first game so the opponent would have lost the life, but not got the cards? He could have wilted the leyline and gazed on the next turn
I really like this deck because the strategy itself is very interesting. But it won’t be so powerful that opponents can’t target it. And there is a certain degree of delay in winning, so players will not be caught off guard.
at 14:17 why didn't you cast all your mill cards while they had no G for scooze??? Could have Wayfinder+Supplier for 7 cards in the bin they wouldn't be able to exile. Instead you Narcomeba pass, then the following turn you cast all your mill cards into their untapped mana...
Timeless Dredge is the timeless version of modern affinity. The mechanic is in the name, but not in the deck. (I know mh2 made affinity actually a part of the deck but forget about that)
Can someone tell me if they've added lorescale coatl to arena yet, I'll be getting a laptop soon so I can play it again and I am hoping that thing is on it so I can make a fun deck for historic, it'll be a 60 card version of my old lorescale pauper edh deck
at 8:11 if im not wrong u could blow up necropotence instead of leyline, so they never got the cards, and probs end of scoope, prob he dont get answer on time and prob not get another leyline, so prob u got a real chance, im pretty sure is how it works if u destroy it before the trigger that put cards in hand
Someone else will likely explain this better than I can. But unfortunately no, your line does not work. Once the necro puts a card in exile the card already has the delayed trigger to be put in your hand and is no longer reliant on necro being in play.
@@johnwhitby8851 hmm interesting, i saw what i described in another video, prob was a bug or soemthing that is already fixed, but he blows up the necropotence before the triggers, so doesnt happen and the guy scoope
The thing is, self-mill just seems too inconsistent for timeless even without graveyard hate. I know in just historic- it’s pretty mediocre even in bo1. And I just don’t feel like timeless adds that much reliability.
This isn't a new archetype in timeless and maindeck graveyard hate is uncommon but not unencountered in my experience. I've also seen a bunch of decks randomly clown on it with the massive amount of incidental graveyard hate or by just being faster. Still T1 but low T1.
I've found Timeless is a really painful format. 90% of people just put 4 copies of the 10 most powerful cards on Arena and stomp most matchups with ease. Mill is pretty impossible to play, which is sad because Fetches should have theoretically made Historic Mill better. Unless you are playing all the cards that were banned/rebalanced in Historic, you basically have no shot.
Question... Why is this Timeless and not Historic or Explorer or something? There's no banned cards in this list, no Oko or Demonic Tutor or anything. Sure it might not make sense to put Oko in this deck, but I'm still not sure why this is a Timeless deck as opposed to a historic deck you're choosing to play in Timeless...
Why would someone bring a graveyard deck to a format where Deathrite Shaman is soooo prominent? Wouldn't this deck be way better in Historic? Are there any cards in here that are banned in Historic?
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"Timeless isn't prepared for dredge"
Proceeds to go against the most prepared people on the planet
*people
I feel like matchmaking does this on purpose. I'll go up against nothing but mono red for game after game until I switch decks and mono red is nowhere to be found. I'll go back to the other deck and it's mono red again. I personally think there's an algorithm to feed you wins from time to time to keep you more interested in the game. Yes this includes draw steps too. I swear after a couple of losses in a row i'll just draw EXACTLY what I need at the exact time. I've been playing since the game first came out. It's no longer a conincidence.
@@fuzzyturtlez8994 ThE sHuFfLeR iSn'T rIgGeD!!!
@fuzzyturtlez8994 you've got to take into account that Seth's assessment of which cards are "never played in Timeless" is just objectively wrong. Like, he's acting like going up against Ashiok in fetchland.format is incredibly low variance.
Haha right...this was among the worst running Seth has had with any deck in recent memory
"Arena boomer learns about graveyard hate"
😂
“Arena Boomer learns about Stifle” lol
Brutal
Lol, true
Seconds into that first match and I'm laughing so much that I don't think I need to watch any further because I'm already entertained and amused enough. Perfect!
I BURSTEAD when the animation of the layline played lol
Note how there is a cut right after Seth's disappointed look on the layline. He 100% said something that would get this video demonetized on RUclips. I for one would have.
Main deck graveyard hate is for the Lurrus/DRC/unholy heat deck that almost everyone plays and for the Uro deck that everyone else plays :-P
not just for those, it hits a ton of other decks too
The main deck leyline is probably from all the Lurus decks running around
It's just for devotion. That list uses Necropotence but it's just a value pile, no storm combo.
The devotion deck tends to play it just to add black pips to the battlefield for Nykthos and Gary.
48 minutes of Seth getting brutally dunked on by graveyard hate
This was so entertaining. Getting wrecked by graveyard hate of so many card types too. I died laughing at the Bojuka Bog.
@@bigbuffguy9589someone came here from commander it seems. 😅
Didn't he win most his matches though?
We still managed to win a decent amount, but good god was there a lot of graveyard hate @@faceoctopus4571
After that first game, i would have been "Welp, episode is over! See ya Monday!"
Did you also see that he cracked a fetch on his OPPONENT'S TURN and grabbed a fast land AND PAID TWO??? It was not his turn so you literally cant use the land and it untaps on your turn.... Wtf lmfao
I've been having fun with a mostly mono-blue dredge deck in Bo1. Drowned Secrets can dump your deck into your yard quickly with lots of cheap blue spells and Brainstorm can put Narcomoebas, Creeping Chills, and Arclight Pheonixes back on top of your deck.
Just played against a hilarious deck that was built around “All Will Be One” 3RR enchantment with “whenever you put counters on a permanent or player, deal that much damage to target opponent, creature, or planeswalker”
Then they just played battles and planeswalkers. Absolutely hilarious, and I had no response. Might make for a fun video
*Seth plays the new hotness*
"How do people know about this?"
Ah best of 3! I've missed you!
Now just to hope modern makes a comeback on this channel
This was already a hilarious video, but the Stifle on the fetch sent me over the edge!
The second stifle killed me
There’s actually no way game one turn zero his FIRST opponent drops a nightmare right on Seth’s head as he was talking about how unlikely that was to happen 😂😂😂
It was missing Brainstorm to put cards from your hand on top and fonding the third path to glimpse twice.
Is this a "teaching arena zoomers about dredge"?
They taught us about Leyline of the Void
Nah, it's "getting schooled by arena zoomers about graveyard hate"
Every deck in Timeless is a zoomer teaching moment. Idk if we have seen any novel decks in Timeless, just new to Arena
@@uucueuro field isn't new to arena
Or teaching me about graveyard hate, one or the other...
That second game was just brutal. He seemingly went dredge hunting.
You milling the glimpse in match 2 is wild 😆
He milled a lot of stuff and I was just like waaaaaat?
@@SuperPoochootrain Same 😂 I play a lot of dimir mill in historic with a lot of success and the absolute best card in the deck is glimpse. So much so, that I'll mulligan to as low as 3 to get a glimpse in my hand with a couple of lands.
The laugh that leyline of the void took out of me is just worth the video
Feels like you'd want at least one Boseiju before the 2nd Hashep Oasis. I get that it's a desert, but you really need to make sure Leyline doesn't stick around.
Crim is somewhere yelling YASSS stifle!!!!
I love playing this shell! i took it in a grixis path for lightning bolt and faithless looting. idk if this is just me being a little smooth brain but isn't Boseiju like an auto include? we have 7 cards that can help dig for it and it beats up on some of our nasty match ups.
There's a lot of graveyard hate on the main deck because of Lurrus and Uro.
10:00 Why would you get rid of the Glimpse? It's by far the best card in your deck.
Also, with this deck it's often better to play Otherworldly Gaze on your own turn even though it's an instant. Sliversmote Ghoul's ability only triggers at the end of your turn so if you hit a Creeping Chill on your opponent's turn you're potentially losing value.
This Deck reminds me of the Beelzemon deck from the digimon tcg. The whole goal of that deck is to mill yourself and cycle value from the trash.
Y'ALL READY FOR THIS
*plays dredge*
oh no, they were ready for that
One or two copies of Haunted Dead would help this deck out abit.
Excellent incase you end up drawing your Prized Amalgams, as it lets you discard them and immediatly trigger them to bring them to the battlefield.
You could still cast otherwordly gaze from the graveyard in this game, right? Cast it from hand and have it countered, to have it on the graveyard. Could've helped.
Hey Seth (or whoever reads this)- I have an MTG question. When you grab a watery grave at 4:38 , why shock it in? There's next to no time between when you grab it and your untap step, so why take the damage?
Brainstorm helps with drawing dredge cards back into library
I don't see why this is any better than just running the Dimir Historic version.
Hey Seth... Is there any way to submit a deck for you to review? It's another self mill but built totally different!
Well what did we learn this week about dredge-less dredge in timeless? 3-2 record, graveyard hate is brutal and surprisingly common, stifle and tidebinder are brutal, and the wrap-up is not in the vid 😢😢
Is “Master of the feast” playable in any format? Always loved that card! Love the content! ❤
i love dredge, but there were quite a few misplays throughout the games. dredge is one of those decks where you really have to know how to play it if you run into disruption. like letting an opponent untap with deathrite and scooze out instead of pushing hard to get as much value as possible while they're tapped down was an oversight
Am i missing something or in the first match did seth pay the 2 for the dual land ON HIS OPPONENT'S TURN??
When do we get the dredge deck with insidious roots in modern?
Maybe a dumb question. But, why you don't play Brainstorm in this kind of deck? I mean, is a lot of fetchs lands, a lot of self mill and you could easily return something bad from hand to mill it.
no outro? :(
1:22 ive played against this deck multiple times at my local pioneer scene which is why this sounds so familiar.
what's the weird highlight appearing on attacking creatures? see 36:07 for example.
That last match kind of perfectly illustrates why I think stifle is pretty bad in timeless. Like yes, it's really funny to time walk your opponent on turn one but you also kind of time walk yourself without actually addressing the action in your opponents hand. If you are all in combo you probably don't have space for it, if you're all in control it's probably unnecessary anyway, and if you are midrange/agro like that opponent you basically give up your clock
Dimir Dredge is very popular in BO1. I have been playing it since day 1 of Timeless with a 65%+ WR ending up on the first page of untapped. Now different version are always in the first page. I never tried it in BO3, honestly idk what it would need to be viable, probably at least Hogaak and force of vigor.
Wouldn't something like spell pierce be better than miscast since you can stop things like your opponents' Tormod's Crypt?
"Who maindeck Leyline of the Void in timeless?!"
Dude probably got battered by dredge so much they comes prepared 🤣
Def would play founding of the third path for glimpse and at least one wonder to give creatures flying
i've seen plenty of gameplay but i've never played dredge. Is brainstorm instead of something like Gaze worthwhile, to put stuff back on top of your deck to mill?
That leyline of the void had me dying
grixis is probably the way to go with dredge. having looting effects helps when you draw your creatures.
Would this deck have room to for brainstorm? I feel like it would be nice to shuffle back some of the cards you don't want to draw.
I mean quite a lot of people seem to maindeck Bojuka Bog in Timeless, don't they?
What are those controls in the bottom left showing land chance % etc?
I thought this was a best of 1 deck when i first saw it, honestly trying to play dredge in a format where like 3 of the top decks in the format are graveyard decks is ambitious. Rakdos breach, Yawgmoth, and Rakdos lurrus are all tier decks and all suffer to graveyard hate.
If Creeping Chill in hand is such an annoyance, would it be worth using Brainstorm?
I played a version of this in Historic, and it ean a one of Wonder so thay you fan randomly jump your board. I would recommend dropping one of the self mill cards for it, i think.
This feels less “Against the Odds” and more of a meta choice. I run into this deck, basically card for card, all the time and it definitely puts up wins
That's why it's much abrew?
I think Leyline of the Void and Leyline of Sanctity are just amazing in Timeless with how much the graveyard is used I think 1-2 cards maindeck for hate of it isnt a bad idea anymore even in historic with wizards and the like
When i get fetches Stifled, i usually just scoop 😂 when Tasha's Tidebinder is actually Stone Rain, I'm not coming back from that
Did the video not get complete? Match 5 is just labeled M and the video just cuts off at the end with no wrap up
The more i watch the more i notice that Seth is losing his mind 😂😂😂😂😂
Its amazing that minus the Bloodghast, Glimpse the Unthinkable and fetchlands, this deck is legal in Pioneer.
There has to be some ok replacements to play it.
I use Haunted Dead and the phyrexian Jace
Been playing this dredge for two weeks now. Last season took it diamond 2, then hit all the players who actually sideboard good cards and got wrecked game 2 in Bo3’s.
4:30 *curb your enthusiasm theme*
There are flashback artifact and enchantment destruction in red/green recommend those instead.
We've reached critical mass on Timeless content where it has earned its own branded series. Time for Timeless? Legacy Lite? Blood Moon and Fetches?
A Unbalanced Mess with almost no limits?
@@zirilan3398timeless is just a broken record.
@@lindzeesouperocd7558 one could almost accuse WotC of turning it into an even bigger cashgrab. Only almost though.
Hey I just met you and this is crazy but here’s my Leyline so gg maybe.
Seth was so hated on this week he didn’t even do the usual wrap up for what we learned lol
So perhaps im dumb. Why didnt seth just wilt the necropotence in the third round of the first game so the opponent would have lost the life, but not got the cards? He could have wilted the leyline and gazed on the next turn
Great content
Poor Seth, he just wanted to play some dredge
I really like this deck because the strategy itself is very interesting.
But it won’t be so powerful that opponents can’t target it.
And there is a certain degree of delay in winning, so players will not be caught off guard.
at 14:17 why didn't you cast all your mill cards while they had no G for scooze??? Could have Wayfinder+Supplier for 7 cards in the bin they wouldn't be able to exile. Instead you Narcomeba pass, then the following turn you cast all your mill cards into their untapped mana...
Timeless Dredge is the timeless version of modern affinity. The mechanic is in the name, but not in the deck. (I know mh2 made affinity actually a part of the deck but forget about that)
I started cackling after the Ashiok. Sorry, Seth!
"...and said, 'I will play mono graveyard hate.'" That sent me. So funny.
I am terrible at building sideboards so I mostly play best of one. In best of one I see variations of this deck all the time.
Can someone tell me if they've added lorescale coatl to arena yet, I'll be getting a laptop soon so I can play it again and I am hoping that thing is on it so I can make a fun deck for historic, it'll be a 60 card version of my old lorescale pauper edh deck
10:10 You could’ve played Otherworldly Gaze before your draw step to avoid drawing the Bloodghast.
44:34 NARCOMEBA YEEEEAAASSSS!
The no wrap up really threw me off. GG
at 8:11 if im not wrong u could blow up necropotence instead of leyline, so they never got the cards, and probs end of scoope, prob he dont get answer on time and prob not get another leyline, so prob u got a real chance, im pretty sure is how it works if u destroy it before the trigger that put cards in hand
Someone else will likely explain this better than I can. But unfortunately no, your line does not work. Once the necro puts a card in exile the card already has the delayed trigger to be put in your hand and is no longer reliant on necro being in play.
@@johnwhitby8851 hmm interesting, i saw what i described in another video, prob was a bug or soemthing that is already fixed, but he blows up the necropotence before the triggers, so doesnt happen and the guy scoope
@gabrielrivera6869 that does sound like a bug. But I also admit, I don't understand all of Magic's intricate rules.
No wrap up?
this sultai version plays better with 16~18 lands. dimir version goes 18~20 and plays Founding the Third Path. 2 color dredgeless is actually better.
The thing is, self-mill just seems too inconsistent for timeless even without graveyard hate.
I know in just historic- it’s pretty mediocre even in bo1. And I just don’t feel like timeless adds that much reliability.
But what did we learn about dredge this week?! I guess the lessons may have been self-evident 🤔
Was this against the odds?
This isn't a new archetype in timeless and maindeck graveyard hate is uncommon but not unencountered in my experience. I've also seen a bunch of decks randomly clown on it with the massive amount of incidental graveyard hate or by just being faster. Still T1 but low T1.
Ashiok is the best sideboard vs titan field and is also good vs underworld. There is a lot of grave hate in timeless.
Love this deck! Play it in every format I can, but it's so soft to Farewell. But, I guess what isn't, right? That card is so broken! 💣 💥 🤯 💀
Bless you against the infections
My dude, almost everyone has some kind of graveyard shenanigan in timeless. Everyone else packs graveyard hate to stop it lol
The first game with main deck leyline just had me rolling. Who main decks a leyline??
I like how there was no recap. Dredge is dredge, regardless of format.
I felt bad for you, but this was hilarious.
Im shocked you didnt play against combo or cheaty style decks, but the turn 0 leyline game 1 was so funny
I've found Timeless is a really painful format. 90% of people just put 4 copies of the 10 most powerful cards on Arena and stomp most matchups with ease. Mill is pretty impossible to play, which is sad because Fetches should have theoretically made Historic Mill better.
Unless you are playing all the cards that were banned/rebalanced in Historic, you basically have no shot.
Question... Why is this Timeless and not Historic or Explorer or something? There's no banned cards in this list, no Oko or Demonic Tutor or anything. Sure it might not make sense to put Oko in this deck, but I'm still not sure why this is a Timeless deck as opposed to a historic deck you're choosing to play in Timeless...
I wish we had either real dredge cards OR hedron crab, vengevine, thoughtscour to make dredgevine
Taigams scheming is quite good here
Did you actually run into a leyline match 1 game 1, or did you just make that the first game for comedic effect?
This deck would perform at least 5% better if we had the anime Stitcher's Supplier art on Arena
Why would someone bring a graveyard deck to a format where Deathrite Shaman is soooo prominent? Wouldn't this deck be way better in Historic? Are there any cards in here that are banned in Historic?