I noticed you mentioned when the boy who was put under hypnosis described the assailants, he said they had gold-rimmed sunglasses. And when the main suspects were seen at a bar, they both had sunglasses on. This may be a coincidence but it’s an odd detail the boy would have made up on his own.
Oh my moneys definitely on Marty and his friend- my gut says Marty was there to exact revenge on Sue and his friend had an eye for little girls. That would explain why Sue and Tina seemed to be the main targets, because they probably were, only for two different reasons from two different men. Also the story of them going to the bar in three piece suits acting fools is making me think they were high & drunk out of their minds and once they left the bar they started gassing each other up and wanted to get into some animalistic mayhem. That’s when they went to Sue’s house. And they just got lucky that the cops in that little town had no idea (or practice) in how to conduct a murder scene like this so a lot of evidence probably went by the wayside.
If the two now deceased suspects were the actual killers and kidnappers, two men might equal two motives. Maybe one was murder of the mom because she advised the woman to leave a bad marriage, and the other was to kidnap a kid for whatever devious reason. This could have been an agreement between the men and so they helped each other with thier goals.
I wonder if there's a correlation between Tina not being allowed to spend the night out and her abduction (if that's what it was). Every time I hear this story, I keep thinking that Tina was the focus of the attack, or she managed to escape and start running but if that were the case you'd think she'd run to the next closest cabin so that theory seems less likely.
I was an adult when this took place, & every time I hear about the case it’s most horrifying to think of coming back from a sleepover to such an awful scene. That would be terrifying even for an adult to walk in on. I don’t want to think that the LE would cover for such horrific mass murderers (without a doubt it was a local, given the time & location Tina was found), but it was the early 80s… women & children were still treated m very much as second class citizens.
Shane and Ryan who left buzzfeed had a Unsolved Series and they went to the location. While taping they said how unwelcoming this community was. If I am remembering this episode right Cabin 28 doesn't exist anymore, but why in my short brain memory I can't remember.
Tbf the murders happened age ago - the people that live there now are probably different to those at the time. Plus I'm sure they're probably not happy with people turning up and recording their homes due to a murder. No hate to Ryan and Shane - I love them
Georgia. I just recently found out about you. Your voice is so elegant and soothing, but most of all, I can tell you've researched extensively and you have such respect for the victims and their families, ❤️👍
I do hope this eventually gets solved. I've seen a few cover this horrible case and there are some questionable elements for sure. The small town hush hush is very much a real thing. There's a few things that don't add up and seem may habe been covered or just not looked into. Have a wonderful day everyone.
hi georgia, othram and the office of chief medical examiner are investigating lorraine stahl's case now. the dna doe project has a fundraiser for $7500 for her exhumation and for genealogical testing to be done on her remains now... ill watch the video lolololol love you and the channel
I know this really shouldn't matter but somehow cases that happen on your birthday just hit differently. I really hope this case gets solved someday and I hope they rest peacefully
It is probably terrible how many murders had to be kept in the freezer. But like if you are keeping it that way. Connect it to a generator. Like what is the point otherwise.
I would say definitely Marty but if they have DNA matching a living suspect, it seems that's the obvious killer. Maybe there were more than 2. I hope they are still working hard on this case
Very very true this could be small town hush hush, it seems like that guy from Chicago was linked to the local sheriff's department about drug trade an "informant" but also a dealer himself very likely. It is a very bizarre case! But yes I've seen a few videos on it too. All that after that DNA turned up in 2018 there have been no developments since, (the most likely answer to my mind is that the prosecutor doesn't think it's enough to go on even to bring the person in for serious questioning, and told the sheriff, the state police and the FEDS, to just put it in back storage until a stronger case could be made.
I think the two main suspects are the killers and the had some protection from the law authorities as you covered. So annoying it was never solved at the time. Maybe the guy with the "dream" could be re-examined he might remember more as an adult or maybe knew more then but did not want to say!
If they killed because they were interrupted in kidnapping it wouldn’t have been a murder that they took their time with I wouldn’t think. They just knock the people senseless and grab the girl and go. That’s how my mind sees it. Definitely seemed personal.
The case just doesnt make sense. If they were after te young girl, why go in when three teens/ adults will fight to save her instead of snatching her outdoors walking alone? If the mom was the target, why choose a night ehere the house was full of kids? (Kids sleeping over), ofc provided they had scoped the place. Leaves me with two scenarios: 1. Impulse attack, no greater planning, mother and daughter were the main draws. 2. Sadly, maybe mart and his friends and the live suspects were running a pedo ring that enjoyed killing and abducting boys and girls. The mom and son/friend fought back, killed, and the girl was abducted. Leaving the young boys in other room alive makes sense if it was marty with friends cause that was his stepson
I've always believed that the boys walked in after hitch hiking home, Sue was already tied up and probably minutes later after the boys are tied up Tina wakes after hearing a commotion, walks out of her room and saw them and that's when Marty and friend decided they might aswell kidnap her to rape her before killing her.I don't believe they initially planned on killing anyone else but Sue
@@donicaburley9163 This is my theory as well. Some sources say it was usual on Friday nights for the kids not to be home. If this is true and the killer(s) knew this then it's very likely Sue was the target. It also could be that, if the boys then Tina interrupted them and the killer(s) felt the need to get rid of witnesses, Tina could have been taken not to risk things continuing to escalate. With the decomposition of her body by the time it was found we will never know what exactly happened to Tina once she was taken from the cabin.
Yknow I do believe the two men are suspicious but the family Sheila stayed with are a little suspicious as well. First off I seen a documentary where the woman said she didn’t particularly like them bc they were on food stamps and she didn’t like that. Second Tina wasn’t allowed to stay that night she was over there all day watching tv but she wasn’t allowed to sleep there…why? And lastly if they lived that close how did they not hear anything? Your telling me 3 people were murdered and one was taken and murdered yet nobody made a noise these people got their heads bashed in yet no noise?
I watched the movie based on this case a few years ago (Cabin 28) because I really loved scary movies and I wanted a new one to see. It was such a brutal case, and watching the movie made me really sad instead of scared. I didn't know until after I watched it that it was a true story. I really hope that one day this case is solved for this family.
It seems the original investigation was very sloppy or corrupt? Was the hair likely grabbed from an attacker compared with that of the chief suspects? Even without DNA analysis at the time the color, for instance, could have either ruled a suspect in or out? As for hypnosis it’s well known that in this state of suggestibility a patient can absorb outside influences into their reliving the experience And by the second session enough time had gone by that their recollection had possibly or likely been influenced by what they had heard in the meantime. You do have to wonder whether Tina had eloped with an older man and they’d lived together for some time, a bit like the girl in the fictional novel Lolita, who lives with an older man after her mother dies after a violent head injury indirectly caused by the man. That’s fictional of course but i suspect real things like this happened. In Tina’s case after fearing the longer their “relationship” went on the more difficult it would be to keep things hidden the man involved decided coldly to dispose of what had become a problem. It’s a particularly harrowing case and one hopes for some eventual justice or at least closure, as much as can be possible
Hello Georgina, 💕and thank you for covering this case……… fingers crossed in 2023, who knows five years since they last look at the DNA evidence.. I really feel that they will solve this case……….. kim🇬🇧 PS happy New Year 🦋
So, Marylin had a crazy husband named Marty. Marilyn asked Sue for help. Sue told Marilyn to leave Marty. Marylin told Marty what Sue said. Marty and his trashy friend killed Sue and three children. Are we supposed to believe that Marilyn did not know any of this?
If we are to believe Marilyn that could be what happened. Why would Marilyn ask Sue for advice about her husband only to turn around and tell him? That doesn’t make sense at all. So Marty brutally murdered Dana, Sue and two of her children bc Sue told Marty’s wife to leave if she was unhappy? IDK, if Marty felt like Sue was a “threat” to his marriage? Seems he would have threatened her and likely terrorized her until she stopped being friends with Marilyn. And why would Marty’s friend want to murder an innocent woman and children? Even if he was a violent POS, which I can’t confirm, why would he risk killing Sue, Dana and her two children? I can see a dirtbag giving a woman hell on his friends behalf. I don’t think many people are willing to risk the electric chair to help a friend annihilate a mother and three innocent kids. If the two were involved, I HOPE Marilyn didn’t know. I just can’t see a mom condoning child murder and who is OK with their partner killing a close friend?
The video mentions how Marilyn has said for many years that she believed Marty was responsible so no, no one is asking you to believe she didn't know anything
His kids probably overheard the conversation & told him. Parents talk in front of their kids all the time, & then get angry that the kid repeats them. I’d get so mad at my friends, who were way older than me, talking about something that their kids had no business hearing, then getting mad bc they’d repeat it & embarrass them.
This case is not a mystery!!..way more than enough evidence showing that Marty and his friend did it, just listen to the interrogation of Marty after the murders and you'll see what I mean.(.he slipped up big time and cop just let it slide) if it's still on the internet
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I noticed you mentioned when the boy who was put under hypnosis described the assailants, he said they had gold-rimmed sunglasses. And when the main suspects were seen at a bar, they both had sunglasses on. This may be a coincidence but it’s an odd detail the boy would have made up on his own.
He made up everything on his own. He didn’t see anything.
Oh my moneys definitely on Marty and his friend- my gut says Marty was there to exact revenge on Sue and his friend had an eye for little girls. That would explain why Sue and Tina seemed to be the main targets, because they probably were, only for two different reasons from two different men. Also the story of them going to the bar in three piece suits acting fools is making me think they were high & drunk out of their minds and once they left the bar they started gassing each other up and wanted to get into some animalistic mayhem. That’s when they went to Sue’s house. And they just got lucky that the cops in that little town had no idea (or practice) in how to conduct a murder scene like this so a lot of evidence probably went by the wayside.
If the two now deceased suspects were the actual killers and kidnappers, two men might equal two motives. Maybe one was murder of the mom because she advised the woman to leave a bad marriage, and the other was to kidnap a kid for whatever devious reason. This could have been an agreement between the men and so they helped each other with thier goals.
This could also explain why in his confession to the counselor, Marty felt remorse for killing the girl as she was not his target, but his cohorts
I agree
That actually makes a lot of sense🧐
I wonder if there's a correlation between Tina not being allowed to spend the night out and her abduction (if that's what it was). Every time I hear this story, I keep thinking that Tina was the focus of the attack, or she managed to escape and start running but if that were the case you'd think she'd run to the next closest cabin so that theory seems less likely.
The Keddie cabin murders always creeped me out! I really hope it gets solved as there is DNA evidence.
I was an adult when this took place, & every time I hear about the case it’s most horrifying to think of coming back from a sleepover to such an awful scene. That would be terrifying even for an adult to walk in on.
I don’t want to think that the LE would cover for such horrific mass murderers (without a doubt it was a local, given the time & location Tina was found), but it was the early 80s… women & children were still treated m very much as second class citizens.
Shane and Ryan who left buzzfeed had a Unsolved Series and they went to the location. While taping they said how unwelcoming this community was. If I am remembering this episode right Cabin 28 doesn't exist anymore, but why in my short brain memory I can't remember.
Yup, the cabin was demolished. People in the area just gave them death stares, not saying a word.
Tbf the murders happened age ago - the people that live there now are probably different to those at the time. Plus I'm sure they're probably not happy with people turning up and recording their homes due to a murder. No hate to Ryan and Shane - I love them
Georgia. I just recently found out about you. Your voice is so elegant and soothing, but most of all, I can tell you've researched extensively and you have such respect for the victims and their families, ❤️👍
I do hope this eventually gets solved. I've seen a few cover this horrible case and there are some questionable elements for sure. The small town hush hush is very much a real thing. There's a few things that don't add up and seem may habe been covered or just not looked into. Have a wonderful day everyone.
I was looking for informaton about this case yesterday and wished that you’d done one. Today we got this. Thank you for you amazing content Georgia!
It's a Festivus miracle!
23:30 was there a knife hole in the wall like in his description? Is that another discrepancy?
hi georgia, othram and the office of chief medical examiner are investigating lorraine stahl's case now. the dna doe project has a fundraiser for $7500 for her exhumation and for genealogical testing to be done on her remains
now... ill watch the video lolololol love you and the channel
Thank you for posting this information!
@@PamelaH_HappyVibes it's the least i can do
Now so many older cases are getting solved. I feel more positive about cases like these finally getting answers.
This is one of those cases that has always stuck with me, truly something out of a horror film
I know this really shouldn't matter but somehow cases that happen on your birthday just hit differently. I really hope this case gets solved someday and I hope they rest peacefully
Really? I’ve never had that experience.
It is probably terrible how many murders had to be kept in the freezer. But like if you are keeping it that way. Connect it to a generator.
Like what is the point otherwise.
Merry Christmas, Georgia girl! I’m so grateful for your channel❤
This case is one that haunts me
“wake up babe, georgia has a new video”
I have heard about this case all my life. I hope they solve the case soon.
Hi Georgia! Love your content! Sending love from Vegas!
This has always been on my mind since I first heard about it. I hope it somehow gets solved one day.
Very interesting case. Had never heard of it before. I hope we hear news in the very near future that gives answers of who the killers were.
I would say definitely Marty but if they have DNA matching a living suspect, it seems that's the obvious killer. Maybe there were more than 2. I hope they are still working hard on this case
Thank you, Georgia!
Thank you for covering The Keddie Cabin .Murders... also I love your back drop.
small side note: you did indeed pronounce butte county correctly 😊
I know about this case but Georgia always puts her own spin on it ❤
Was the mom's allegedly abusive ex-husband ever considered a suspect? I didn't notice mention of him.
he had a rock solid alibi and was the other side of the country!
@@georgiamarie_ Thank you. Always my first thought. Great video.
He was in the Navy and stationed across the country.
I lived very close to where this happened and worked with Lt Gamberg's son and grandson. Crazy to hear his name in this video!
I can't buy this as a random attack. It seems too personal, too planned, and too precise
Well, from all the information it's pretty obvious to me that Marty Smart and his buddy did it
Thank you Georgia. I think this case will be solved eventually. Have a brilliant 2024 with your little family!
Uhhh.... Am I living in a different timeline/dimension, or are you??? 😳😳🧐🤨
@@mccnt9918 ohhhhh that’s a typo, 2023 that is. 🥱
Tank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!
Thank you georgia, this is such a sad but interesting case i hope they find answers... hope you and your partner had a lovely Christmas!
Your background gives beautiful crab nebula/space vibes....love it.
Very very true this could be small town hush hush, it seems like that guy from Chicago was linked to the local sheriff's department about drug trade an "informant" but also a dealer himself very likely. It is a very bizarre case! But yes I've seen a few videos on it too. All that after that DNA turned up in 2018 there have been no developments since, (the most likely answer to my mind is that the prosecutor doesn't think it's enough to go on even to bring the person in for serious questioning, and told the sheriff, the state police and the FEDS, to just put it in back storage until a stronger case could be made.
Listening to you say Maaty Smaaat over and over was adorable. 😂
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I think the two main suspects are the killers and the had some protection from the law authorities as you covered. So annoying it was never solved at the time. Maybe the guy with the "dream" could be re-examined he might remember more as an adult or maybe knew more then but did not want to say!
I don't think this case will be solved but I can't give up hope
The details of this case including apartment in a detached basement gives me Utah college students vibes
You mean Idaho
They have to have some kind of evidence to test ..? I really hope this will be solved soon. It's been SO long... 💔
Horrific and tragic.
If they killed because they were interrupted in kidnapping it wouldn’t have been a murder that they took their time with I wouldn’t think. They just knock the people senseless and grab the girl and go. That’s how my mind sees it. Definitely seemed personal.
Before the 80's Dana was a unisex name like Pat or Chris... It's only feminine nowadays
Who is Marty this is sickening and these things are still going on over and over again in the US
For certain those two main suspects did it, corrupt law enforcement too.
Weren't another family murdered by two guys with a hammer in their cabin that also went unsolved
Did you know that this inspired the movie The Strangers very loosely
The case just doesnt make sense. If they were after te young girl, why go in when three teens/ adults will fight to save her instead of snatching her outdoors walking alone? If the mom was the target, why choose a night ehere the house was full of kids? (Kids sleeping over), ofc provided they had scoped the place. Leaves me with two scenarios: 1. Impulse attack, no greater planning, mother and daughter were the main draws. 2. Sadly, maybe mart and his friends and the live suspects were running a pedo ring that enjoyed killing and abducting boys and girls. The mom and son/friend fought back, killed, and the girl was abducted. Leaving the young boys in other room alive makes sense if it was marty with friends cause that was his stepson
I've always believed that the boys walked in after hitch hiking home, Sue was already tied up and probably minutes later after the boys are tied up Tina wakes after hearing a commotion, walks out of her room and saw them and that's when Marty and friend decided they might aswell kidnap her to rape her before killing her.I don't believe they initially planned on killing anyone else but Sue
@@donicaburley9163 This is my theory as well. Some sources say it was usual on Friday nights for the kids not to be home. If this is true and the killer(s) knew this then it's very likely Sue was the target. It also could be that, if the boys then Tina interrupted them and the killer(s) felt the need to get rid of witnesses, Tina could have been taken not to risk things continuing to escalate. With the decomposition of her body by the time it was found we will never know what exactly happened to Tina once she was taken from the cabin.
They were drunk & high.
i have never been this early
Yknow I do believe the two men are suspicious but the family Sheila stayed with are a little suspicious as well. First off I seen a documentary where the woman said she didn’t particularly like them bc they were on food stamps and she didn’t like that. Second Tina wasn’t allowed to stay that night she was over there all day watching tv but she wasn’t allowed to sleep there…why? And lastly if they lived that close how did they not hear anything? Your telling me 3 people were murdered and one was taken and murdered yet nobody made a noise these people got their heads bashed in yet no noise?
snow white?😍
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I would think the killers are already dead but we still need the answer as to who.
The neighbor did that crime, he admitted to it in the letter he wrote to his wife.
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I watched the movie based on this case a few years ago (Cabin 28) because I really loved scary movies and I wanted a new one to see. It was such a brutal case, and watching the movie made me really sad instead of scared. I didn't know until after I watched it that it was a true story. I really hope that one day this case is solved for this family.
It seems the original investigation was very sloppy or corrupt? Was the hair likely grabbed from an attacker compared with that of the chief suspects? Even without DNA analysis at the time the color, for instance, could have either ruled a suspect in or out? As for hypnosis it’s well known that in this state of suggestibility a patient can absorb outside influences into their reliving the experience And by the second session enough time had gone by that their recollection had possibly or likely been influenced by what they had heard in the meantime. You do have to wonder whether Tina had eloped with an older man and they’d lived together for some time, a bit like the girl in the fictional novel Lolita, who lives with an older man after her mother dies after a violent head injury indirectly caused by the man. That’s fictional of course but i suspect real things like this happened. In Tina’s case after fearing the longer their “relationship” went on the more difficult it would be to keep things hidden the man involved decided coldly to dispose of what had become a problem. It’s a particularly harrowing case and one hopes for some eventual justice or at least closure, as much as can be possible
Hello Georgina, 💕and thank you for covering this case……… fingers crossed in 2023, who knows five years since they last look at the DNA evidence.. I really feel that they will solve this case……….. kim🇬🇧 PS happy New Year 🦋
Justin step father and his friend one that did the murder
So, Marylin had a crazy husband named Marty. Marilyn asked Sue for help. Sue told Marilyn to leave Marty. Marylin told Marty what Sue said. Marty and his trashy friend killed Sue and three children.
Are we supposed to believe that Marilyn did not know any of this?
If we are to believe Marilyn that could be what happened.
Why would Marilyn ask Sue for advice about her husband only to turn around and tell him?
That doesn’t make sense at all.
So Marty brutally murdered Dana, Sue and two of her children bc Sue told Marty’s wife to leave if she was unhappy?
IDK, if Marty felt like Sue was a “threat” to his marriage?
Seems he would have threatened her and likely terrorized her until she stopped being friends with Marilyn.
And why would Marty’s friend want to murder an innocent woman and children?
Even if he was a violent POS, which I can’t confirm, why would he risk killing Sue, Dana and her two children?
I can see a dirtbag giving a woman hell on his friends behalf.
I don’t think many people are willing to risk the electric chair to help a friend annihilate a mother and three innocent kids.
If the two were involved, I HOPE Marilyn didn’t know.
I just can’t see a mom condoning child murder and who is OK with their partner killing a close friend?
The video mentions how Marilyn has said for many years that she believed Marty was responsible so no, no one is asking you to believe she didn't know anything
His kids probably overheard the conversation & told him. Parents talk in front of their kids all the time, & then get angry that the kid repeats them. I’d get so mad at my friends, who were way older than me, talking about something that their kids had no business hearing, then getting mad bc they’d repeat it & embarrass them.
This case is not a mystery!!..way more than enough evidence showing that Marty and his friend did it, just listen to the interrogation of Marty after the murders and you'll see what I mean.(.he slipped up big time and cop just let it slide) if it's still on the internet
Georgia, one of the nicest feminine names IMO
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Isn't the DNA they found Justin's?
Ottis is ott-iss not oat-iss
I have always thought that Shelia had some kind of involvement in this. I could be wrong but she just doesn't set right with me.
I feel it's been pretty much solved - I feel it's the ex-husband.
The victim’s ex wasn’t even in the US, at the time.
Title is misleading since the whole family wasn't murdered just 3 members and a friend