Canon R5: A Sony Filmmaker's Perspective
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Canon is welcoming filmmakers back with the new R5! But does this camera live up to the hype? As a Sony filmmaker, here's my perspective.
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The lower price for the R5 is done to entice consumers into adopting the RF line up. Like razor companies they plan on making their money from the blades (lenses), not the handle (body).
Good thinking
Except, you can still adapt EF lense that you already own. so your point is?
@@ehaitem RF is a new lineup with professional lenses that are much more enticing even for photography with high-MP cameras (think R5) than older EF L-lenses. To establish it Canon puts out a somewhat modestly priced pro-body to make the change to the new mount more appealing. That's vice-versa the same reason for the higher pricing EOS 1D MKiii: customers of this camera can justify the higher price because they already own Canon L-glass. Their rationale: Even though the camera's expensive, they don't have to invest in new glass. Therefore, the new 1Diii has to be fully paid, while the R5 (and esp. the R6!!) are placed like "subsidized" bodies, to ease the pain of switching mounts.
@@ehaitem Yes you can adapt EF lenses but native glass is always better than adapting lenses. And as canon is shifting towards mirror less and RF glass ppl will more likely start investing in these glass.
@@mostlywanderer This is even more true with the updated Dual Pixel autofocus, the older lenses won't be able to keep up with the new compute power
The price makes sense with the specs. They’re going for volume for sure. And they expect plenty of people to switch for it
10:23 "warm slightly green tinted skin tone arms" DEAD!!!
Which one you buying?! You have to pick one! 😜
Canon R5
Canon R6
Sony A7Siii
Nikon Z6
Nikon Z7
A barbecue because it's as hot as the Canon ones but at least it let's you do something with it :)
Been a member of the Sony Gang for so long that I have to at least wait to see what the Siii looks like, but damn if this isn't the most compelling reason to make a switch I've ever seen. Totally agree with all your points.
I guess I will wait for sony it's better for my heart
Sony A7Siii...hopefully
If the A7Siii is good, that. Otherwise nothing for awhile.
I’m a current A7iii owner and I initially took the bait and preordered the R5. Then every day since their announcement more and more flaws are popping up. These aren’t rumors or my opinion, these are videos from people currently using the R5&R6 that Canon gave to. Both the R5& R6 have a 30 minute record limit no matter what mode you are in, the R6 has a 1.07 crop factor in 4K. The R5 has a rolling shutter issue with video because they aren’t using pixel binning, the R5 can only do 4K 120FPS for 7 yes 7 mins before overheating, no 4K Raw, and a battery that’s 10 years old that gets drained super easily from these demanding camera bodies. Canon just happened to leave all these things out of their spec sheet. Canceled my preorder because those are the issues that I know about. I’m sure more will follow after everyday people give an actual honest review. Keep up the awesome work man!
There's a new battery called the LP-E6NH which shares the same form factor as the older LP-E6N & LP-E6.
I knew they would up the price a bit from my 5DIV but this isn’t crazy for the features. As someone who shoots just about everything (video & stills) this camera is amazing. I need the high MP for studio work, the fast shutter for events, and the video specs for my commercial videos. (I don’t believe I will ever have a computer that can honk on 8k RAW but whateves) I preordered already.
Exciting new cameras just in pandemic time when creative industries have been greatly affected with cancellations and closures. great to see Canon is back in track but more exciting what Sony will bring for innovation
Hey I shoot Nikon. 🤪 But I'm not feeling massively faithful at the mo
Maybe its just my headset but I hear alot of Noise in the audio , hissing in the background. Just FYI as your videos always have amazing audio
I hear it, too. Like a fan in the background or his mic preamp turned up too high
Noticed that in the last two videos as well. Great videos regardless but yeah, some noise in there
😭😭 my baby was sleeping in the other room and that’s her sound machine. I’ll try to turn it down now or invest in some more soundproofing in the future. Sorry y’all
@@whoismatt haha how DARE you not sacrifice the sleep of your newborn for us youtube trolls!
@@whoismatt You can fix it quickly by doing a noise floor denoise in Adobe Audition.
Certainly seems like an awesome camera! BUT over here in the EU the price is 4.800EUR (5.400USD) So I'm deffo NOT getting it! AND I really don't need 8k! Give me 4k 24, 30, 60, 120 fps, 10 bit, full frame, no crop, with great AF. Looking forward to seeing what Sony brings to the table with the A7SIII.
As good a camera as this is, people need to remember that 8K is only going to just begin to creep into consumer/cheaper products now, most households from research still only have HD TVs and monitors, so you're really not going to make a difference to many people that watch what you make, and most common editing machines can barely handle 6K RAW footage right now let alone 8K without spending big bucks. Also, remember that this camera is made for a different type of shooting than the camera he compared it to, which is the Blackmagic range, and they would be used in different scenarios. This camera is clearly a run-and-gun camera whereas the BMPCC 6K/4K is a Cinema camera meant for bigger productions. And also finally they are forcing you to move to their new RF mount which means buying new glass all over again. Not trying to dump all over this camera, I'm just saying it's worth thinking about all this before you jump at a shiny new piece of tech just because the numbers are higher than the previous cameras.
The R5 still needs to happen to push the whole industry forward. Kudos to Canon for giving Sony the competition, us users benefit from it.
Rogue Mountain Doesn’t the BMPCC use the EF mount which can be used on the R5 with AF, so why couldn’t you use the R5 with 8 stops to shoot big shoots
Lol just buy the EOS R to EF Adapter
@@legend240891 This is true, this is more of a message for people who are burning a hole in their pocket to try and spend all their savings to get this camera when it's not necessary
@@marioslrzn The 6K uses EF, the 4K uses MFT, and I'm not sure what you're trying to say?
The original R does All-i 60fps 1080p and it looks nice. If I upgrade to the R6 I lose All-i codecs. If I upgrade to the R5 that 45mp sensor is likely to hit the low light performance.
I'll keep my GH5 for handheld video work... its still more than good enough.
Matt, love this conversation. It’s interesting when one camera company ups the ante. Let’s see how Sony matches it now. At the end of it, as consumers, we all win.
It's a good camera to record in winter while it snows or to fry some eggs when you go camping in summer.
I am not sure it will be good for frying eggs ... it is not so easy to fry eggs properly, you need to reach a certain temperature and maintain it consistently. We should wait for the real reviews to ascertain the egg frying capabilities.
CF Express cards might actually be more affordable that I thought. At 4k 120fps, youd be looking at 235 MB/s. For an SD card, the only one that can handle that is the Sandisk USH II card that barely scrapes by at 260MB/s write speed. A 128GB card is $200. Deslkin has a 2TB CF Express card coming out soon that B&H has listed for $1000.For 2TB worth of slower SD cards you'd need 16 cards costing $3200. Even Delkin's 1TB card is $800 vs $1600 in SD cards.
I admire your honesty matt...it is a very enticing price matt for amature film makers..
The only caveats with this is the record limit and overheating. Which haven’t stopped guys in the past. Pricey but worth the price. Great video!
A whole cpu built revolving around the r5 specs would be interesting, even if you have the space stone you still need the power stone to EDIT these clips,
Marc & Amalia a $60k specked out Mac Pro should do the trick!
Marc & Amalia seriously though. I have a maxed out (64GB/8GB/8TB) MacBook Pro and it seriously struggles to keep up with davinci resolve when editing 6k Raw.
It's a good camera if you do short bursts, e.g. product adverts, short interviews, but don't use it if you have a shoot with actors with many takes that go on all day. for that get a S1H, or Gh5s with very harp lenses, V90 cards. 4K is easy to deal with in edit. unless you buy 3 R5's and swap every 30 minutes.
Hi Matt, I noticed a load of noise on your audio, something went wrong perhaps? Never noticed that before!
Good video tho. And I am also extremely excited!
Hey! Sorry about the audio. The r5 and my new r6 video will have a bit of noise 😭 I recorded these videos at night when my baby was sleeping so her sound machine was on making some noise in the background.
I own an S1H and still feel it get warm. I really want to see how this camera does with heat. Peter Mckinnon already said it overheated on him and he is paid by canon. I also prefer the codec and file size I get shooting 5.9K. and being able to use two SD cards rather than two different types of cards.
The overheating he refers to is in his r5 vlog video. And he was shooting 4k 120 for a few hours on a SAMPLE camera.
Honestly, I think any non cinema camera would overheat when shooting 4k 120 for a while.
BUT, for me? As a video shooter, I think the R6 would be a wonderful fit.
I have been using the EOS R for a year now, and even the lackluster specs, I absolutely love it.
After buying the R5, people are then gonna realize they gotta upgrade their editing computer too for those files!
...and those RF lenses carry a HEFTY price tag as well...
Great camera, but i will still be going for the Pocket 4K. For me, raw recording is pretty important, and I don’t need 8K Raw, if the R5 would have been able to shoot 4K Raw i wouldve maybe considered it. Another huge reason is the option to shoot directly onto an external ssd, making my workflow waaay faster. I feel like every new camera that comes out today is capable of shooting most of the work i do, so it all really comes down to ease of use.
Anyway, great video!
I’m curious how the R5 handles low light since it’s 45mp :o can’t imagine good lowlight filming capabilities on it honestly
Dude, the green skin tone arms joke was a gem!!! Loved it! LOL!
BTW, I was first to note your camera review skills being as good as Philip Bloom at the very beginning of your channel! I'm glad I was proven right! ;)
that free 3 tips for booking is awesomeee. .
With the overheating in 8k and even 4k, I'll stick with my S1 for a while longer.
Stoked to hear your thoughts on all of the above. My seatbelt is buckled! I'm ready for the whirlwind
This month is gonna be craaaaazyyyyyy
All-i missing in eos r6.I was in Canon Europe livestream during their q/a session they mentioned that depending on user feedback they will add all-i in future update so everyone please tell Canon to add all-i in future update .
R6 also cannot dual record to sd card slots
I will always appreciate the fact that you ACTUALLY GIVE YOUR OPINION on whether or not to buy the camera, lol. Many of my favorite RUclipsrs dodge questions like that; and although I understand why, from a consumer perspective we’re usually asking because we don’t know. Thanks for your forthrightness!
Also, I wonder if the A7S??? specs will end up stealing your heart back from the R6? Find out next time...
I'm happy for for Canon user they get decent cameras at last. R6 is a blast.
So excited how Sony will answer on that!
But the heat issue may be a real problem for Wedding Videographers, when you will use the big advantages of this camera but need to keep running without shutdown in the middle of a ceremony. This can really break your neck. Hope Sony have a better solution for heating, wihtout compromising to much
Only good thing of 2020 so far! Can't wait to see what Sony is going to drop. We need this month!!
I came for the beard and I left with a future R5 brother. Welcome back to Canon my fellow Texan homie; subscribed.
Hahaha thanks!
I think the Olympics getting postponed forced Canon's hand. They had to release this unencumbered camera because the 1DX would be even more old hat than it already is by next summer. Since they are clearly done with high end SLR cameras, they had to go all in with the R5. The R6 might be the sleeper for sure with sports and video (for those who don't care about the 8K).
I feel most people want a camera in between the R5 and R6. The R5 has things 99% of people don't need and the R6 is lacking in things like All-I and 4k120. Funny how we are still left waiting for the perfect camera. I suppose if the overheating issues get cleared up, in time the R5 will be.
SUCH a good video bro. Loved this. 🖤
It is a beast of a camera but still waiting for Sony to come clutch since I’m all invested in lenses for my a7iii and a7rii haha don’t need 8k currently so I’m going to be patient before considering a switch anytime soon 😝
The 1dx 3 was intended for the OG Olympics photography crew that wants a tank. So not as insane as giving a select population of photographers that reliable form factor they have trusted.
Glad you addressed the TX issue. I'm in the RGV and it's triple digits daily.
I haven’t been down there in a few years. Had some amazing enchiladas
Amazing review!!! Now thinking about coming back to Canon after 6 years, wow
7:22 By accident, I am actually watching this video wearing Kasey's T-shirt "Canon Cripple Hammer". LOL
Thanks for a excellent video as always!!
Cheers from Sweden!
really dont get all the overheat drama, it's normal it get hot, 8k RAW isnt cheap and light to make idk, if you want good specs then idk record for 15 min max so you protect your camera and 15min 8k raw will already be HUGE files so i dont think its that much of a problem
You earned my subscription with this video! LOL
I love my Canon cameras a lot and have Canon and Nikon glass (with a Canon adapter) but I've been wanting to shoot 4K for awhile and just can't afford it...and at this price point for the R5 and R6...I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. I have also flirted with jumping into the Sony universe...my first camera was my grandmother's Minolta (which Sony bought) and I loved that camera, so I have to assume what I loved about the Minolta still exists in the new Sony cameras, but I also worked at Sony many years ago, so I'm familiar with how they can just botch stuff (Playstation Portable...Vaio). Great video Matt!! Thank you!
This camera is impressive!! 8K RAW, but no 4K RAW is a little disappointing. Plus, overheating might be a problem.
see the video of Peter and you will see that (in real life) you cant rec above 10 min 8k and about 15 4k. And then, you have to wait half hour to rec again those times! Those info, its even available in canon site
THIS is the Sony camera we've all been waiting for! If it wasn't for the fact I'm invested in Sony lenses, I'd switch to Canon R5 in a heartbeat. However, I'm holding off (for a few weeks only, so hurry up Sony), in the real hope that Sony will FINALLY release its equivalent, the A7siii. And I sooooo hope it has the same specs as the R5 or its bye bye Sony.
The a7S III won't even be doing 8K video, much less 8K RAW lol. You might as well just switch now.
@@michaelbell75 honestly who needs 8k, out of a 100 people maybe 0.5 - most PCs/Macs can't even handle it + for filming 51min 8k you need 1tb cfexpresscard for 700 USD. So most likely just for advertising. Skin tones are a major plus for canon.
If Sony catches up with 4k/120 and 4k/60, side flip screen and a real touch display > I'm staying.
@@samsmith3183 I need 8K for shooting butterflies - birds in flight at 30 fps having the option to extract any of the frames with 33 Mp quality. That's truly a great option for so many wildlife photographers! So it's a very practical and useful option even for photographers.
@@ritammelgunov8501 ok, but how many people are shooting butterflies in 8k?
@@ritammelgunov8501 please, I'm not saying nobody needs 8k, I'm just saying most people. If you are that person, that's fine with me. But of my experience out of 100 ppl maybe 0.5 needs it. It is great to have no doubt. But if somebody has already 3-4 Sony lenses - I would wait and really think of what you need. If you are new to the game - Canon is, of today, the way to go.
Price even in Australia for me is acceptable, I’m getting it and I’m a Sony shooter
The Canon R5 completely blows my mind
you got a sub from me man. the 2nd youtuber (that is not associated with canon), to not shit on the camera because of the "heat issue." seems like youtube is shitting on this camera because it overheats, which is stated in canon documentation. Still i gotta stick with sony because i dont upgrade my gear every new release(i last upgraded to the a7iii from the 7d).
Too bad I can only my afford to upgrade to the GH5 from my 7D. At least the GH5 and the R5 have one thing in common - they both have “5” in the name. Lol
The gh5 is such a good upgrade from the 7d!
Matt WhoisMatt Johnson Thank you for replying. I’ll be purchasing it in 2 weeks and I’ve been semi doubting the thought of getting the GH5 or the X-T4 (the Fuji lens and battery grip and accessory eco system look way more expensive then I’m comfortable with) or to wait it out for other camera releases. Because of you, I’ll just stop over thinking since I have a decent light collection.
Edit: Is the GH5 comparable to the 7D for wedding photography?
I believe the R5 can record 8K and then a 4K file to the SD simultaneously.
I haven’t seen that in any of my research but I hope you’re right!
@@whoismatt Yep I absolutely heard someone saying that in his review, 8k raw and 4k proxy on the SD. Can't remember who, I saw too many reviews today lol. Most probably whatever can be written on the SD will also duplicate on the CFx. Keep in mind that my EOS R already needs a v90 to write the 4k 24/30p ALL-I at 470Mbps (same with the R5), so 8k ALL-I and 4k 60p ALL-I being over 1000 Mbps you won't be able to use the SD for that. Also note that the 4k 120p seems to be ONLY ALL-I and 1880 Mbps, which means that you have no other choice than a CFx to shoot 120p.
Canon smartly released the R5 at such a convenient price. They realize with the praise the RF lenses have garnered and new, popular camera bodies they will make large profits from RF lenses.
Sounds like a smart plan
The R5/R6 are just bonkers! I know all you video shooters out there are just salivating! Canon is out here hunting for SOULS!!! I am sure Sony will have a body or two to answer the challenge...Nikon...just need to hang up their gloves.
Legit have watched tons of videos on this camera, but you had me ready to sell all my old camera and pre order this bad boy. 😂
lol Matt ! Dude you are so much fun to watch.
And it’s always Christmas behind you ;)
(That tree)
Hey Matt!!! Yeah I'm thinking I will be checking out the reviews for sure... it looks freaking amazing but I also need to have weddings to shoot before I buy it LOL Might be looking to pick this up in 2021 ;)
Not a bad price... I bought the Canon 1D in early 2000s for $8000 and it was only 4.5 megapixels. I made soo much money from that camera because nobody else had a digital camera worth a shit and I could turn in my images that day instead of waiting on processing slides.
I understand the entuziasm but how can you recommend a camera that currently has no real world reviews? The ones that came out are basically still under NDAs, limited to what Cannon wants you to see. Most of your reviews, as they where presented are based on months / years of experience with gear, or should we doubt that as well? Seems like a bold statement to make just on specs alone...
Does anyone else remember Panasonic promising they’d deliver 8k on a mirror-less camera before the Tokyo olympics? Sure the Olympics got postponed; but I wonder why they’re being so quiet now :(
1 of the 2 Nikon shooter here, thanks Matt!🤦🏻♂️
The “other” Nikon shooter checking in! 😤
Another Nikon shooter here lol
This content is SO good. Super excited with all the camera tech coming!
30 min record time is a bummer.. do you think that's something that can be raised in a firmware update?
Doubtful 😭
your the best Matt. always loved tour videos.😊
Sony: Hold my beer......
Canon: drinks it
lol
if the sony A7SIII specs are correct, it's by far the better camera for film makers
Almost purchased the Sigma FP, as I just sold my sigma DP1M. (Great SOB, but such a PIA) Then this happened. Pre-Ordered. Never have I ever pre-ordered A Camera Body so fast. Come on stimulus check!! come thru to help me pay for this + my my EF to RF adapter!
The overheating on the R5 I’m reading about is concerning. I’m hoping the a7siii addresses all the overheating issues of the past. Give me 10 bit 4:2:2 4K 60 with a articulating screen and no overheating in the new Sony and I’ll be more than happy 😃 👍🏼👌🏼
SAME
As you mentioned if the S1H had to include a heatsink and an actual fan to keep the temp under control when shooting the higher bit rates, how long would you be able to shoot those high fps 4k and 8k before you're unable to hold the camera or shuts down due to overheating? Until I see iPhonedo do his side by side heating test I ain't buying that this will handle those data rates.
Very impressed. Excited to give the R6 a look at.
Yup I think that one will be the real winner!
Nice video Matt, you're a great comedian and a honest person :)
R5 pre-ordered, it seems to keep the promises on the paper, excited to test what it does in real. It might simplify my 3 brands-to-get-it-all setup (Panasonic, Zcam, Canon)...
We can’t assume yet that this the greatest camera we gotta try it first I wanna see the low life video how clean they look canon been always struggling in high iso
Especially with the high megapixel count
is RAW shooting only available in 8K? just looking at the chart at 3:30
love your videos man. Lots of fun and very informative. Great stuff bud!!
Why is everyone complaining about the demo version overheating? It was a demo version. Much like a video game beta to fix those bugs. Also, who shoots 4K 120 more than 30 seconds??? It’s more of a b roll tool.
because it's dangerous to just assume they'll definitely fix it in the producution model
Great Video!! super helpful information.
There is no unlimited 4k recording for the R5. Canon should add vents and a fan before releasing.
Pricing is definitely factored in with the economy and long-term impacts of the current situation. Far fewer people will be willing to invest, but make the value proposition higher, they will.
The 1Dx3 is a completely separate camera with better frame rates for photography.
Will be buying the R5 and doing a review on it. Canon went a little nuts with this one. The R6 is Meh though but so was the R and that turned out to be a good camera.
I feel that 8K sounds good on a tech sheet but will be impractical for people who will use this camera for work, the logistics of handling so much data and editing so much data like 8K can be costly for hardware to keep up. Although I believe the rest of the camera is a right step forward for Canon but if you already don't have the glass for this camera y'all probably have to take a second mortgage.
The huge file sizes make it difficult to edit due to the processing power of thr computer. It maybe worthwhile waiting to see what Sony have coming
I am still thinking abt the bmpcc6k and waiting for them to release an 8k camera.and then i wud compare the pricing and decide. The only benefit of the r5 is tht it take better photos unlike bmpcc which is only videos
R6 cannot dual record to sd cards or have all-i codecs. Needs to have this
😭😭😭
The heat issue is massive it’s also a shame there’s not 4K raw
But will it melt?
Ha Ha - Im a Nikon hybrid shooter - excited for the Z6S dual processor dual card (at last) I think its going to be just as impressive.
Hope so mark!
The card slot has a heat warning label!
What a beast!
I would go with the R6, the only things that are missing are internal NDs and professional preamps. :)
internal ND would be 🔥🔥🔥
waiting 2 weeks to see if sony announces release date and price on the infamous A7s3..If not, i'm switching
Good thinking :)
Nice spec breakdown and great to see Canon causing a major issue with a great camera these will be making there way to my bag but I will wait for some more reviews to come out.... see what issues come to light so cheers for the heads up mate
R5 pre-ordered!
kind of nobody says that the 8k mode is a trap, because no one will be use in a real world job, you only will use 8k for show off. overheating issues, super file size, and super pc to process the data. not even canon have 8k in their hi end products ....all the youtubers are selling the 8k like super great thing, not sonud so honest to me
The market is shrinking. They need the market share and not only that, they will put pressure on the competition to meat or exceed in specs and price. Others to meet will need to lower their margins. Also, the lens selection is without comparison.
I love Matt Johnson
Hey love your content because of you I just built my first computer And it’s 👍 great!!!! Keep up the great work appreciate you sir
Thank you for this in depth video Matt!
So I thought the EU tax law on the time limit has been annulled.. so this comes as a surprise. Although I could be wrong too.
The tax law has been annulled. The extra on the price tag for Europe is "because it's Europe"!
Great Video Matt, just subscribed, where are you in Texas, I am DFW area. (Murphy)
I expect very few who have bought into the Sony system will be switching. The vast majority have zero need for 8k and certainly almost none for it without compressed RAW like the Blackmagics. So with it's 8k issues highlighted already in many other youtube videos we are left with a viable 4k camera but still with issues and a high price ( for a 4k camera). The Sony A7 iii is the camera to beat for most people and I expect Sony will have a 8k camera ready well in time for people actually needing it. Meanwhile I expect Sony's up and coming cameras in August will offer far more practicable solutions , less rolling shutter , colour depth, better file formats etc and at lower prices. It's great that Canon have woken up but it's too late. I have seen nothing here to make me want to move away from my Sony A7 R iv and Blackmagic camera. I hope Sony produce something that excites as much as the hype around the R5.
I actually was going to switch but then all these little details of flaws keep leaking and Canon just conveniently left out of their spec sheets
Lots of people use Nikon. I have for 30 years. Use the D850 every day. 👍 Now, have they been late to the mirror less game? For sure.