How To Make the Razor E300 Faster With Parts From eBay - Scooter Episode 7
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2018
- You asked for it, you got it - MORE SCOOTER PROJECT. The parts you need are in the description!
Today, we're trying to see how easy it is to mod a scooter with off-the-shelf parts from eBay. As always, nothing quite goes to plan. We have fun though ;)
More development in this area to come - stay tuned! I'm thinking brakes, you know?
Parts List:
Razor E300 - ebay.to/2nklaOO
MY1020 Motor w/ESC - ebay.us/8iXomZ
Batteries - ebay.us/9FJOyz
BMS - ebay.us/ruUtdx
Note that it doesn't always come with the fancier throttle I got with my kit. Sometimes they ship it without the keyswitch throttle. Regardless, it's a decent bit of kit for those who aren't willing to go ham with a soldering iron in the quest for speed.
Music:
Anti Lag - Anarchist Bloom
Splattergasm - Fucked Up by a Tyrannosaur
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I love that one of the first things he says is this thing might blow up
Nothing but honesty ;)
I tied the fast scooters mod and it actually worked (first time) thanks a lot ^_^
Aye Liam. Didn’t know you watched TK
Just got a job making sound equipment. I'm in training for soldering. I'm definitely going to tackle this as a project after work. It'll help reinforce my training.
Thanks for all the info TK. Cool video brother.
Glad you dig it, thanks for watching!
go for the 1000W controller. you won't understand the chinese labels, but they do haul ass. There's a guy hitting 30MPH on flat runways.
do u have ebay link?
@@Andre-jp4yt www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=100+watt+razor+scooter+controller&_trksid=m5467.l1311&_odkw=100+watt+scooter+controller
dig in there. see what you can find.
Thanks for posting videos about razor e300 hacks. I'm owning one and I'm inspired from your videos :) The thing I did is that I'll carry lithium batteries in a bag on the front side, so there are no limitations about battery size and I'll carry the biggest chunk of money with me. I'll also raise up the handlebar a bit :)
:D
what battery you useing?
Neva seen a man struggle to ride a scooter so bad
It's a skill
TK, you didn't back the small allen bolt out (you can see it at the front of the throttle-It looks to far in-not unusual), that is used to locate the throttle's position on the handlebar! I've installed several of them and never had the problem you did (unless the locating allen bolt wasn't backed off).
Good Luck.
cheers
Boots Langley
La Mesa, ca
Ah, looks like I overlooked that. Thanks for the heads up!
moar scooter! would love to see what you can do with the variable speed kit. Would also like to see what you can do with other mod parts from ebay, like brake lights etc.
It's gonna happen! As well as a throwback to how I got my start on scooter mods... ;D
Aha! I think I remember mentioning this kit to you before, the one I bought a couple years back didn't have the key switch on it though. I might have to look at getting one of those!
Definitely agree with it not being a huge performance increase, but the variable throttle is definitely worth the investment. I'll be looking at LiFePo batteries for mine eventually, but my current plans for modifications are on hold while I work on decking out my own welding and fabrication workshop in Campbellfield VIC. Next investment thanks to some cryptocurrency profit is a small metal working lathe! Super excited.
Glad to see an update on your scooter project, keep up the good work!
I remember that!
Very awesome to hear you have a fab workshop coming together. Something I'd like to do down the road for sure.
What kind of Crypto?
Was I in is in is in is
What Up TK Here so in order for the scooter to work, you would have to buy a custom speed controller and not the original one because my friend had told me it would work to use the original one it would just be an on and off type of throttle
You can always try it! My experience is the original speed controller won’t work with a variable throttle
What Up TK Here, Okay thanks for your help
Nice thanks for the video. I got a razor e300s in December 2016 but only just started properly using it alot in 2017 so really I want to get alot of use into the batterys and motor before I do any upgrades because so far I've used it load but only thing that's worn down is the tires so ill probably get some new tires and then keep racking up the miles and once my motor and batterys start to show signs of use I plan to just upgraded from the 2 stock 12v 7ah batteries to 2 12v 9ah or 10ah whichever fits the best and then if that goes well I then plan on going to 36 v so it would be 3x, 12v 9ah (or 10 can't remember which one is the right dimensions for the scooter) and ill have to mount on of the batterys outside then if that goes well the next step would be a motor and controller upgrade and then I don't know what I'd do after that. Really the upgrade i want the most is variable speed controller but can't find anywhere in the uk that sells them and to have once from America it's like 50 pound and about 3 weeks to ship.
Louie 9000 yeah, always tough to get parts. Glad to hear you're enjoying your scooter, sounds like you're really racking up the miles! Good luck!
TK hi tk please can you give me your opinion on what would be a good set up to get better range (but keeping it with led acid batteries)
If you wanna stay with lead acid batteries, your only option for more range is bigger lead acid batteries. It can be pretty tough to make any real improvement because they're so big and heavy.
TK ok then we'll what would set up would you recommend for more range and a bit more speed and It doesn't need to be lead acid batteries. Please help as the reason I'm asking is because I'm only 15 and due to having cancer the chemo has affected my hips and now I struggle to walk so the only way I'm able to get around to shops and stuff is with the scooter and at the minuet I really can't go that far so I will take any help you can give. So please give me a recommendation for a good set up and it can be anything..
i feel so exited when u are nice vid
I am glad, thank you :)
did you edit the swearing out on the failed throttle instal ?
Possibly >__>
If i will change speed controller then will be faster ? I have 300W motor but controler only 24V and 250W.
Yep, but you won't notice much difference from 250 to 300.
Please make a new video with step by step instructions and a very detailed part list
Hi Beefooo, such a video is outside the scope of my work. Any step by step video would only be relevant to a tiny amount of people with the exact same gear. Instead, I aim to show the way I took and inspire others to tread their own path. I wish you luck with your mods!
What Up TK Here 👍
you guys somehow seem 11 years old and 30 years old at the same time 😂
I have a question, if you purchase a variable throttle, would you need to purchase a custom speed controller or could you use the original speed controller
You’ll need a custom speed controller :)
If the chain tensioner isn't working right either it is too tight or the spring came loose
Also love the new name for the channel
where do you get the battery’s from?
I bought these from eBay, but HobbyKing has tons too
Only has 1k subs and he takes notice at want we want!
More to come ;D
Where did u by the battery’s I got the motor and controller and new throttle I’m trynna get rid off my lead acid battery
Earlier episode on my channel explains that - eBay or HobbyKing :)
Question: maybe I missed where it was mentioned, but doesn’t it say to add a 3rd battery for this controller? I went to check it out and noticed it in the “Item Description “
l7o6s5c4 yeah, if you watch the earlier episodes in this series or closely follow the install you'll see we're using 12S lithium batteries which gives us the higher voltage.
TK Ahh!! I watched those episodes last weekend. I missed that detail. Ok 👍🏻 makes sense. Thank you sir.
U need to hock up a bar across the control on the back to take the restrictor off
Yeah we look at this in earlier videos!
Hey bud, I know this video is like 2 months old, but do you think a cvt transmission might get you a higher top speed? It's something I've been thinking about trying on my E300.
Robert Linderman a CVT wouldn't get a higher top speed - we're currently held up by the current limit, not the gearing. And anyway, a CVT is less efficient than a straight chain drive. You'd be best just optimising the single gear ratio rather than installing any kind of variable transmission.
Robert Linderman like, if you had a taller geared CVT than my chain setup, you might go faster, but an optimised chain drive would almost always waste less power than a CVT.
I've gotta 36 volt 12volt/12amphr sla.batteries do I need a 48 Controller? so i can add a another battery??
I’d you’re going to 48V, best to have a 48V controller
That's strange I've got the same scooter and put exactly the same throttle on and it fitted perfectly maybe razor changed diameter over time but wouldn't have guessed so who knows ?
Yeah there's a lot of changes, over 40 distinct revisions of this scooter I believe!
Great video 😁 Where did you purchase the 15 tooth motor sprocket?
Earthly Wanderer Ali baba, as seen in the previous episode :)
Also hour run time on leads on flat
Hey man so I see a lot of people are using lithium drill batteries on the scooters I have 2 20v lithium weed eater packs is there any reason I can't find any info on people doing this to razor mx bikes? Do you know what all id have to do do to make that work? Or know if it's even worth doing?
Watch the full series to get some ideas and look up electric scooter builds online. I do drill batteries early on. They’re okay for testing but are very expensive for the amount of range you get out of them
@@WhatUpTKHere oh ok that makes since, yea once I find a 650 for a steal I'll I plan to slowly over time putting a little money in it so that I can ride around my neighborhood with my son lol
Would beefing up the shunt make the new controller work better? Did you find a fix yet?
G man certainly would, it's on the cards for the next scooter video!
I tried this and ended up destroying the controller, not even sure what happened. Suspect maybe I overheated something during soldering, but it was a real pain. I've got the scooter up and running again with another controller, but my next build will be on a different platform, and we're going for SPEED.
Hi this is great work! Im currently working on my razor mx 400 and I hooked up a 20v lithium weed eater battery to test and see if low batteries was the issue, well after about five seconds of being plugged in the large capacitor on the board exploded and I shit myself xD any clue why? Also it still worked afterwards once I installed my brand new stock battery replacement, hit the throttle to test worked great put her together turned on the swith hit the throttle and now nothing cant figure it out, is that capacitor a must? If so do you happen to know which to order? Its in to many pieces to read anything, or would it be better off to order a new controller? Thanks for any info.
Probably a new controller Is best, you may have blown more than just a capacitor!
@@WhatUpTKHere thanks man, to many amps is all I could think the batterie doesn't say the amps on it lol
Will this work for Rx200
Hm. Might be a bit different !
Great video I have a question I have to e150 scooter I want them to go a little bit faster if I can get 35 miles an hour out of them what do you suggest should I keep the stock motor or which motor do you recommend and what batteries do you recommend
You won’t get 35 miles an hour without burning out the stock motor. Do gearing calculations like I did in the previous episodes to figure out what motor RPM you need to reach 35 mph. Then, spec a motor with plenty of power - probably 1000 - 1500W minimum to go that fast.
Battery wise, get a quality ebike pack, around 48V or 60V.
Helmet, too. Quite dangerous.
@@WhatUpTKHere 🤣🤣🤣 LOL I have plenty of helmet I say riding in the woods on my side by side and four wheeler great videos keep them coming thank you for writing me back I am just starting out on the scooters because I am bored because of the covid-19 have a blessed day and stay safe I haven't finished watching the rest of your videos what's the fastest have you got your E300 up to once again have a blessed and safe day
Last video we did 40km/h or 25 mph! Thanks for watching, always glad to see people get something out of the vids!
@@larrymond if you are looking to take a scooter up to 35mph I would highly recommend starting with a more robust scooter then the e175 sense the wheels are very small and I wouldn't take much to make you reck at that speed
i miss my old E-zip EZ 3 nano carver scooter i used to ride the crap out of that thing now i have a razor pocket mod scooter
I have been told that kit works with 36 volts only
That's what we did
Hey I have a ninebot e12 trying to make it go faster any ideas?
An overvolt might be good but prepare to blow stuff up!
So I am doing this project and how exactly to you connect the 2 batteries to the bms and the speed controller I am really frustrated so can you pls give me a good explanation
go back and watch the earlier videos and read this hackaday.io/project/9941-the-razor-e300-overvolt and also search around about how to make e-bike battery packs
If that's too complicated, start out doing some basic intro to electronics projects and work up to learning how DC brushed motors are controlled and how battery management systems work for lithium polymer batteries. :)
If however you're just trying to use the fastscooters kit with a stock E300, talk to them, they'll point you in the right direction.
TK thank you
Sooo I’m still confused does it make a non modded e 300 better or not
Dyl 22 Probably
i would try and remove the connector with a heat gun first before cutting any wires
They're crimped on so a heat gun won't do anything other than melt the plastic housing.
I forgot to mention I did order the fast scooter kit
Do you guys think that the 36v conversion kit will burn out the 24v stock motor? Also, if I want the scooter to be able to go up decently steep hills, will it be good enough?
Basically, I am looking to take the razor e300 and upgrade it with ebay parts. I am willing to upgrade the motor, voltage, and throttle, but I am not sure what all needs to be upgraded/should be upgraded.
Also, I was thinking of replacing the lead acid batteries with 18650 cells, do you think that they will be able to supply enough amperage? Any general upgrade advice would be greatly appreciated.
It'd be a hell of a lot better up hills, for sure.
Discharge of various 18650 cells varies a lot but I've seen them used in some e-bike packs so it's probably doable if you build the pack correctly.
It's possible to burn out the stock motor when running at 36V, I did it in a previous episode. Quite frustrating! :P
Do I need a third battery or is it ok with the stock e300
This is a 36V setup so battery changes are necessary
What Up TK Here yeah I figured, but I ordered a speed controller and a throttle (they come together) same brand except its for the stock e300 all versions
Feeling the song...who is it
Anti Lag - Anarchist Bloom
Splattergasm - Fucked By A Tyrannosaur
Can you run it with the rx200 pls respond I really would like to know
I haven’t got one sorry! You could try mods yourself tho!
What Up TK Here ok thank you I would really like a series on the rx200 😃👍🏼
Can we start a discord or forum just for modding razor scooters?
We sure can! discord.gg/VJH8WGPFUb
I'm looking to use 1 or 2 motor bike magneto set ups. thinking 2 on front wheel (24v) effectively getting rid of one of the 2 batteries.
my question is, have you looked at a similar idea and what would you recommend.
Not sure what you're trying to do there, but it sounds like it wouldn't be particularly good from a thermodynamic perspective.
If you're trying to generate electricity from the front wheel, and use that to run the rear wheel, that's not gonna go well. It'll take more energy to turn the front wheel then you'll get out of the generator to propel the rear wheel.
TK the magneto creates enough to have 2-12v lights on, while charging.
the idea is to use it to charge while moving extending the rid time.
or, have the magneto run directly meaning minimal battery usage.
nirvanamadpaul m you could potentially set up some kind of regenerative braking but if it's connected all the time you'll be wasting energy, not saving or gaining any.
TK why so? magnetos turns freely. all they do is add small charges while free rolling.
the issue bugging me was controlling 24v. do I charge while free rolling only? remember stock
components rated to 40v but controller is limited to 20v.
nirvanamadpaul m Listen to what has been said you've politely been told it will not work... Because guess what it won't! Why has no car etc manufacturer fitted loads of these to there products ? Well there's one reason it will be alot less efficient... You have to put in/waste more energy than you can create its as simple as that. Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no such thing as free energy you realise that right ?
How fast will my e300 go with a 36v 500w controller, 3 12v 5ah batteries, 24v 350w motor, and stock rear wheel sprocket, also how long will the batteries run?
About 19-22mph but it depends on your weight on the scooter, for example I’m 120 pounds and I go about 20
Dude were did u get your batterys?
As per episode 3, Hobbyking :D
Bro I used a 24volt fast scot fing and just slapped a nufer battery on so motor and control was being over volted to 36v full charge was 41volts and she dose 23mph and wheelys of throttle ;)
Extreme Leddy interesting! Sounds like it works better with a stock setup. Very keen to mod it to suit my beefier motor tbh.
You need a serious controller for that beast to push the power in and gear it right she'll fly guner bro good luck i only made mine coz i saw one of your vids with drills 😂
hahaha, glad you enjoyed it! Last video out we hit 39km/h, hoping to break 40 soon. Else I'll have to do a fresh build just for top speed ;)
Question to both of you- right now my setup is a 36v (or 42v charged) lithium pack *without* a controller to a e300 with a replaced 36v 350watt motor. Instead of a throttle, I have a soldered DC power switch to allow power from batteries to motor. Have done this safely so far for a bit over a month. Ultimate question: does the controller offer any benefit at this point other than ability to add a classic throttle?
When you're using a basic switch with a big DC motor like that, you can get arcing on the contacts which degrades them fairly quickly and, in a worst case scenario, can lead to them welding together.
That's generally why we use controllers. You can get switches that can take that kind of punishment but they're pretty hefty and not easy to fix to a handlebar.
All that aside, if it's working for you, do it. It just might require replacement every so often as the contacts arc up. I imagine you get quite a kick when you hit the switch and dump full battery voltage straight to the motor!
13:46 🤣🤣
Gotta tell 'em hahaha 😂
You need thicker wire that’s why, thicker the wire better the current.. just like car audio
While the basic concept is true, that's not the problem here. The same wiring on the previous setup was capable of much greater performance. The controller has an in-built current limit which needs to be disabled to enable the scooter to run faster.
SOME ONE LIKE BRIAN
Hm?
Wheres the follow up video?
My attempts to modify the eBay controller for more speed were a failure; I got the scooter up and running again with another kit, with similar performance.
I'm looking at doing a video on another scooter I built as a much younger man, and then starting on a yet more interesting electric vehicle build.
Only things holding me up are money and time!
enjoying my 1 month old razor and came across your fun videos. Will be running 36V 18650 lithiums with 44T rear 15T sprockets for range and speed. Overvolt kit soon
@@assassinrich neat, good luck with the build!
What Up TK Here where did you order the sprockets? Thinking of going 15T-44T
Ali baba or Tao Bao; much greater range than eBay, but harder to use.
Why not use a tethered kill switch?
I haven’t found a nice one I like, got any tips?
What Up TK Here I know I’m in the US but something simple like this, no need to spend a lot of $$ on it.
rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F153297561799
I got a couple of E100 for $5 .lol
the batteries and stock esc were dead...mess with it.
for some reason one of motors is FASTER...it might be 150 watt.(after market)
Same case size..with different turns probably...idk, it's faster .lol
but I modify the kiddies powerwheels to run on 5s lipo.lmao I just took the throttle switch off a powerwheels..
it's not variable...but it's spring loaded to return to zero...or thumb release.
It's basically a straight shot. no electronics on 8s @ 50C...32v lipo.lol
It ran fine,..but I dont think it's too healthy on the motor.
I might be doing 16-18 mph. it'll kick out from under you ..if you not careful..but when you're on it...it's fine. I drove it a couple miles on 7s to test it. The motor gets hot..but the batteries were cool.
My proeject yet
I got a ezip with the seat on it need better batterys
Yeah the stock batteries are a bit crap
I have an 250w scooter from an unknown company does this work on it
CykelPotatis you could theoretically bolt on a different throttle, esc and motor, yes.
I live in Wisconsin they classed that escooter is same mini bike or go cart no roads no sidewalk ouch!!!!
That is lame!
@@WhatUpTKHere I ordered a razor e prime I know Wisconsin's stupid law won't last I will lay low till then
@@WhatUpTKHere Foxcom is building a new plant here they should demand change
Get a brushless motor
Hey do you still have this
Yup!
Dang that’s a while
Mine just broke today
Its so sad he doesnt know how to ride a SCOOTER
We all bring different skills to the table! Bryce is an adept bassist!
the built motor in the wheel is the best not the razor scooter has a chain motor i will get a scooter with built motor in the wheel full suspension disc brakes
Hub motors can be cool
Danger! Controller is not relay !!!
Lol
Thanks for watching!
la modificaro la rasor e 300
Just bought a razor e300, love it. But wich idiot has made the throtlle
So true. They probably saved $2-10 per scooter doing it, but it makes it way lamer without a smooth throttle.
How are you liking it. How much was it ?
Bang good.com has a variable speed controller, battery charge indicator, variable twist throttle grip and key start kit for $29
That tire is pretty flat!
Yes, I've since bored a hole in the sprocket so I can pump it up with the stock adapter. Good call!
Grease throttle
Says 36 volts with the stock motor makes you go a little bit quicker yet my motor flew off the table after a test with 36 volts
My tests (earlier episode) were quite fun with the stock motor on 36V, but it sadly overheated and died quite quickly.
@@WhatUpTKHere yes I am expecting the same considering I bought a 36 volt controller and as I plugged it in I'm pretty sure it blew up already
I overvolted mine and it burned out the motor. I upgraded my motor to 48v. Now it goes 35+ mph.
Nice, I'm gonna start a big power build of my own soon. Gon' be fun.
okay oringal is top 15 so you really didnt make it faster i guess because of the battery you have.
Mine goes much faster actually!
@@WhatUpTKHere ok so with new batterys and the handle and speed control it made it goes faster?
Ok mate!!! That was a waste of time.
watch it a few more times? The ad money helps us make more videos to waste more time!
THE BEST THINGS TO DO IS BUY EXPENSIVE ONE WITH MORE POWER RATHER THAN CHEAPER ONE.
Not a bad idea for sure :)
they have one now goes 40 mph but its $1600 dollars
Dont bother with Tom from fast scooters. He lives in the same time zone as me and called me 6 times at 3am to be a nut job. Also found me o social media all because I asked fo a refund of a defective cotroller
Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic scooter skills. A 3yr old can ride it.
Oh no are we not allowed to have fun because you say so! OH NOOOOOOOOO
@@WhatUpTKHere Nope, just stating facts. Nothing to be ashamed up. People's feeling are so easily hurt these days. I'm bald, so what?
Project
Not prooooooooooooject
Proooooooject
Talking funny is part of being a RUclipsr, right?
Very slow tho very slow
Neowmmmmmn
That’s runs slower that stock. You have failed as a human being
My build goes 40km/h; an early failure is but a step on the road to success.
You speak so harshly. Are you okay?
What Up TK Here quarantine is making me crazy.
@@TheArtOfCool It's certainly a rough situation. Hope you can hunker down and ride it out to better times. Stay safe, homie.
i don't like razor scooters
Why are you watching this video then?
@@vapensnakes7181 i will get a powerfull electric scooter with powerfull batteries and gain 40 km
@@LiviuDragon
That still doesn't explain why you are watching videos of the e300... 😐
@@vapensnakes7181 i watching razor e300 because the electric scooter that i will get is coolest than the razor e300
@@LiviuDragon
A Lamborghini is better than the scooter you want so why don't you look at videos of those...
U need a real battery and controller
Ahahah you don't like it?
That sucks.
Yeah it's tough sometimes! Fun though.