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Misleading to say the combat knife is absolute shit; it will definitely kill majoris enemies far more efficiently and has easily unlockable fencing variants. It becomes a good offensive tool for vanguard and good defensive tool for snipers. This also doesn't factor in the dash attack upgrade that can stagger and hit in a radius
I have been playing for about 60 hours across all the classes and find the knife far better than the chain sword. Quicker attacks means less time animation locked and can get a fencing version before having to go into tier three missions for purple armoury data.
@@DonKarlioni I didn't like the stat drop on that first fencing but the purple tier one changed the game. Even with balanced the speed of the parry animation makes it exceptional at parries. You get an aoe sprint attack. You can chain heavy attacks back to back. It's seriously a powerhouse of a melee weapon.
It's a very good weapon once you are shoulder bash spamming. And it doesn't need to kill groups of minoris quickly when it's paired with a melta rifle. It's kind of preferable to have the melta ammo for hordes, and then melee the bigger targets down as efficiently as possible. If you have the larger parry window talent on Vanguard, the Balanced knife is worth considering. It's not too hard to get the timing right, and the stat benefits are nice. This is probably the one case where Fencing isn't an auto-pick.
@@Dieselduster678 I agree honestly but some ur gana enjoy more than another like for example I like the heavy class but the bulwark is my favorite of all of them but ya not necessarily than any others are boring or bad just some u enjoy more
not sure why you say that you can only level 1 weapon at a time on the heavy... if you use both your primary and secondary weapons during an operation you get the operation experience towards both weapons...
Furthermore, having a good backup is really nice in this game. You are bound to go to melee or fall back on your secondary, having good secondary is such a pressure reliever, and heavy can help with two, the bolt pistol for tactical, vanguard, sniper, bulwark and plasma pistol also for bulwark.
Do they both get full exp though? I believe the exp of the level is split between the two - so if you've used your primary 60% of the time, and your secondary 40% of the time, then they'll get a 60/40 split of the exp (while your melee weapon gets a full 100, so something like the Tac with a 60/40 split would be 60/40/100, with the 100 being melee). Next time I do a 3-weap-class mission I'll try to keep an eye out to confirm. If what I'm saying - which is what DRT is implying - is correct, then you're halving your exp by not playing a class with a melee weapon, because you're missing out on that 100.
@@jaxsonbateman they both get the same xp, heck, if you switch weapon mid operation, dont even need to use it at the end of the operation, you still gain xp for that gun. Three is the max from what ive seen so far.
@@phucletran2860 I think you're right - I was too caught up in the mission I just did to actually capture the exp going into each weapon, but from the looks of my Multi-Melta (the weapon I swapped to mid-mission), it certainly seems like it got a full dose of exp. Really interesting! I had been keeping my loadout 1 weaps for entire missions as I've been wanting to max those first before moving on, but it definitely seems like swapping to a new loadout at each drop pod is the key. I'm curious if you actually have to engage in combat with them, or if you can swap to each loadout then resume with your first. More testing!
also efficiency goes out the window if you are forced to use the matchmaker... at least in my experience, when random matchmaking tactcal and vanguard seem to be the most popular classes and sniper is the least popular...
The key question here, as someone that hasn't experienced Ruthless yet myself - are you going to be capable of comfortably doing it with 1-2 relic weapons, and 1-2 levelling weapons, assuming that you've levelled up the class itself to have all the perks you'd want for a Ruthless-level build (ie. I think it's about level 21 or 23 for a Bulwark to 'complete' their build)? If you can complete Ruthless with just the class' strength and 1-2 relic weapons, then gunning for Bolt Pistol + Chainsword might be worth it, as that extra exp from the higher difficulty is going to be worth it to bring your actual desired weapons up to speed. If you can't complete Ruthless just relying on that, then it's probably not worth it, given that your desired weapons need exp anyway - may as well just play on Average or Substantial and get 3 weaps worth of desired exp (and 3 weaps you plan on using), plus class exp, at the same time. Furthermore, unless the weapons are immediately allowing you to jump into at least Substantial difficulty, then I'd argue that it's worth using levelling weapons - the ones you actually want to be using - until you reach that point. If you're sufficiently good at the game (which you would be if you have relic weapons you're considering using anyway), then you can jump straight into average with starter level weapons, no problem. Hell, is going to Substantial even going to be worth it if you're trading a whole weapon's worth of experience gain for that extra class experience?
I mean, Tactical, Vanguard, and Sniper only have the bolt pistol and either chainsword or Knife between them so where else would your exp be going? and as great as the regular pistol is at popping hormaguants heads you really should be using and learning the Plasma Pistol regardless of exp and then dealing with waveclear as the strengths of Bulwark and Heavy were designed to do. Assualt is N/A(kicked in ruthless). The real advantage to focus leveling a class and Relic tiering their loadout is in order to clear Ruthless reliably, for the Relic Weapon data, exp isn't even part of the equation there. The first thing you should upgrade with your first Relic weapon data after clearing ruthless with artificer-tier weapons is the weapon that will allow you to get more Relic weapon data, certainly not the bolt pistol. Now, Im leveling my classes across the board however I feel like it, and yeah purple Melta Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, and Knife make the easier difficulties smoother and I can upgrade to a higher difficulty on that class sooner, the exp isn't being 'wasted' because its contributing to their Relic upgrade, but it they were already Relic tier the exp would only be wasted if there was something else I could and would like to level. If I level a Bulwark from level 1, im not using Artficer or Relic tier bolt pistol and Chainsword. I shall level the Plasma pistol and Power Sword, because that is what I'm going to be using, and if I don't level them now when the Bulwark should be doing minimal and average difficulty out of sheer lack of perks, then when should I level them? I leveled tactical alongside the regular bolt rifle instead of an Artificer Melta, because I intended to use Grenade Launcher at Artifice tier and there is no way im clearing Substantial with just the upgraded pistol and chainsword. When I level the Plasma Rifle from 0 will I do it on Ruthless with Relic tier Pistol and Chainsword? NO thats crazy. Substantial tho... I could manage Inferno and then Decapitation once the Plasma is upgraded to Master Crafted, and that Artifice weapon data is the real value. TLDR: You are right that our brothers should just level what they are actually going to use, on a difficulty that the weapon is currently effective in, otherwise later one can only pretend it doesn't exist while leveling it in a higher difficulty, which is going to be much harder given that its unlikely to be a pistol in leveling limbo. This whole Idea of leveling the Bolt pistol first is stupid, cause that will happen naturally on the classes that have no other option, those with other options should level them while they can on the lower difficulties when its usefull. The real reason to upgrade a loadout to Relic first is to have a Build to reliably clear Ruthless and get Relic Weapon data, exp comes naturally by doing the hardest difficulty you can reliably clear and then caps out when you don't have weapon data to spare for the upgrade.
When leveling the class in the beginning use whatever you are going to use for that class later in order to level it while you can. When the class is level 20 instead of level 2 you don't want to do a lower difficulty just cause you can't bring a Primary that can do more than scratches. When you don't have an (viable) alternative available to level instead, yeah having an already upgraded Pistol and Melee is nice, and will get you to a higher difficulty sooner. But not that much sooner. It will happen naturally so there is no way to force it anyway. What you should actually do, after playing around and getting a feel with the classes at base and their better weapons, choose one build you saw online, and LOCK IN. the GOAL is to farm Relic Data from Ruthless difficulty, for the first time with Artificer Gear, and then later Reliably clear with a team, and preferably in a solo speedrun. Hell, If you don't have Artificer Weapon Data from Substantial your weapons Exp will cap at 7500, so don't procrastinate that at least. If you truly want to min max and level all the classes and their best weapons, the only thing worth remembering is that the Melta is Vanguards only Great primary, while the Tactical also has the Bolter w/ GrenadeLauncher and the Plasma Rifle, so level the Melta in tandem with Vanguard first to maybe Artificer and then do Tactical using the other 2, with the Melta still in reach and ready if you need it. Pistols and Chainsword/Knife will level naturally as you play Tactical/Vanguard/Sniper. Other than that there is just the Plasma Pistol, if I had to choose i'd level it with the heavy first, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE because it will level organically as I play both classes.
Ok, between comments in the video and in the comments, I decided to do my own testing. Here's what I've discovered: * Primary, secondary and melee weapons all get their pool of exp that totals to the total of the map, after Gene Seed and bonus exp is added (so if your class earns, say, 1300 exp, then each weapon slot will get 1300 exp). This means the idea that heavy splits its exp between primary and secondary weapon is wrong. * Using different weapons via the loadout droppods will potentially split exp between the different weapons used. I say potentially, because in multiple tests I did see this to be the case (with the amount seemingly correlating to how many 'checkpoints' the weapon was equipped as part of, thus giving the weapons equipped at missions end the biggest share due to mission completion), but my final test just then resulted in my initial loadout not getting any of the share, and I'm not sure why (I definitely used them and killed some enemies between the start and first droppod, but I also had a capped Combat Knife equipped, so perhaps the fact it couldn't earn exp turned it off the share for the other weaps). But basically, best to assume that swapping weaps does lead to split/shared exp. There's no additional exp, it's shared (ie. in one mission my three primaries got 61, 117 andd 817 exp for 995, which is the same as my Bolt Pistol and Chainsword earned). *The key one - a capped weapon still 'takes' exp even if you utilise droppods. On my vanguard test just then, I started with a capped Combat Knife, and swapped to an uncapped Chainsword (while using a Melta and a Bolt Pistol). The Melta and Bolt Pistol each got 965 exp, but the Chainsword only got 537, implying that the Combat Knife leeched 428 exp (that is, that exp was wasted). I will point out that it was capped at master-crafted; it's possible that a truly capped relic weapon would behave differently, but I'm skeptical. Basically, each weapon slot gets a full share of the exp, and you seemingly can't use loadout swapping to increase the total amount of exp, or to allow you to use a Relic weapon but get significant exp for a levelling weapon. The best you could do would be to use the Relic weapon until the final droppod, then use levelling weapons for the final sections so they get the mission completion share of the exp. Ultimately, using a Relic Bolt Pistol on, say, a lv 1 Bulwark is going to make it stronger, sure, but you're still going to have to level that Plasma Pistol at some point - and that's the whole catch with levelling weapons purely with the mindset that they're shared. I've heard reports from players working on capping their classes and weaps that exp, not armoury data or req, ends up being the biggest gate once you're doing everything on Ruthless, so foregoing a whole slot's worth of exp each mission because it'll make the character a bit stronger... well, that's something each player is going to have to decide for themselves.
I've seen some comments kinda hating on this video. This video is if you were trying to level everything efficiently. He says in the video to play what you want, but if you're leveling everything these weapons have good crossover with other classes.
All classes are viable and good in their own way.. all can do ruthless difficulty np... what I keep seeing is that a lot of gamers lack skill and understanding of game mechanics.
“Heavy is OP” I challenge this statement because tactical is actually busted. Also Combat Knife isnt absolute shit since it’s great vs majoris lvl enemies. Cheers
Nah the combat Knife is actually stronger if you build it right. the Shoulder Tackle skill is good for AOE. The Final perk is also good, you just keep using light attacks your contested health refills quickly. I used Balanced Relic, instead of the Fencing; I can Perfect Parry 100%.
Are you sure you've max leveled every class? Because the heavy is the epitome of middle of the road. Don't get me wrong, heavy is fun as hell.... but endgame running via solo or mp there are 3 classes that do everything better or solo without issues. And honestly idk if vanguard is on par or also better than heavy, think that would be more of a skill issue on which is better. So then you just have assault left, and we all know it needs some major love to get on level. Also, combat knife is a go to for classes that can use it simply because of the perks and speed which helps reacting to parries in time.
I would rate the combat knife over the chain sword. Its first heavy attack has a wide sweep that kills or knocks back minor enemies for easy gun strikes. It’s 3 light combo into heavy finisher is fast, and its fencing style is quite fast. Meanwhile you need 3 light into heavy for stomp on chainsword, and the kick and punch don’t have as wide an arc over the wide swing. I leveled sniper first and got very familiar with the knife.
Alot of bad info in this video. Assualt, vangaurd, tac, bulwark all get chain sword Combat knife is a really good weapon, probably the best single target melee weapon Melta weapons might only be the "best" because the overhealing. Please dont run meltas on mission 4. You might as well quit because you wont be able to damage the boss.
"Please dont run meltas on mission 4. You might as well quit because you wont be able to damage the boss." You can just swap it out before the boss room.
My tip, use the stuff you don’t like that much first, that way you can just play with the stuff you absolutely adore once the other stuff is all leveled up. There’s no *need* to do this haha I just love having everything maxed out
Kind of insane take, why use a weapon you don't like when you can just use a weapon you like and then go back for completionist stuff after your character is fully leveled and youve got a weapon or two to help carry your less liked weapon with on higher difficulties?
@@glaive120 in my personal opinion makes you better at the game, and once you’re done you have usually the most op stuff left to lvl and it’s super easy, that’s why I said absolutely no need to do it just the way I like to play
I don’t really understand the efficiency thing. What good is leveling the bolt pistol for another class if that class is going to be running the plasma pistol?
Iam leveling the heavy and the bulkward, with the heavy i am leveling the plasma pistol and also farming armory data that y use for both. Y dont know way the oculus and the instigator is exclusive of the tactical, in the tabletop is exclusive of phobos armor users like the sniper ( infiltratos and incursors)
All good stuff as usual any top tips on how to get my first data drops to unlock higher levels of weapon cant survive substantial difficulty always get paired with a player and bot.. then get my ass handed to me..... i know get good get good....but 4 attempts now and not survived a single one of op at that level difficulty
Yes. He is just saying from a min max efficiency of which weapons are shared with the most classes. So when leveling other classes some reused weapons will be stronger. That was a factor in why I started with Tactical. It’s transitioning well into my alt classes being stronger. But yes level whatever you want.
Do you think you content creators could do the players a favor and stop calling classes OP I can make any class in here extremely powerful. It doesn’t mean it’s OP but when you say stupid shit like that, then the debs wanna come in and Nerf stuff so then he’s garbage, please use your head
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Misleading to say the combat knife is absolute shit; it will definitely kill majoris enemies far more efficiently and has easily unlockable fencing variants. It becomes a good offensive tool for vanguard and good defensive tool for snipers. This also doesn't factor in the dash attack upgrade that can stagger and hit in a radius
Yeah saying it's not good probably means they didn't use it enough. It's honestly my preferred melee. I think the tac should also get it.
I have been playing for about 60 hours across all the classes and find the knife far better than the chain sword. Quicker attacks means less time animation locked and can get a fencing version before having to go into tier three missions for purple armoury data.
@@DonKarlioni I didn't like the stat drop on that first fencing but the purple tier one changed the game. Even with balanced the speed of the parry animation makes it exceptional at parries. You get an aoe sprint attack. You can chain heavy attacks back to back. It's seriously a powerhouse of a melee weapon.
It's a very good weapon once you are shoulder bash spamming. And it doesn't need to kill groups of minoris quickly when it's paired with a melta rifle. It's kind of preferable to have the melta ammo for hordes, and then melee the bigger targets down as efficiently as possible.
If you have the larger parry window talent on Vanguard, the Balanced knife is worth considering. It's not too hard to get the timing right, and the stat benefits are nice. This is probably the one case where Fencing isn't an auto-pick.
New to the game so who should I follow on RUclips for this game? If so many contradicting what this guy say in video.
Didn’t think this game would be this addicting
Same!
My tip is to use the classes u enjoy lol and that u feel is ur play style that's what u should do
Cool info. This tip is for efficiency though and not enjoyment. But some people like me enjoy being efficient.
@@wilazn true I guess but if u pick a class u don't enjoy the grind will be miserable is my point 😉
@@jakeheape8349what if they are all fun to play. I don’t dislike playing any of them in pve….now PvP is a different story
@@Dieselduster678 I agree honestly but some ur gana enjoy more than another like for example I like the heavy class but the bulwark is my favorite of all of them but ya not necessarily than any others are boring or bad just some u enjoy more
not sure why you say that you can only level 1 weapon at a time on the heavy... if you use both your primary and secondary weapons during an operation you get the operation experience towards both weapons...
Also at least in my version of the game Assault can equip chainswords, seeing how damn iconic they are for jump pack space marines to being with...
Furthermore, having a good backup is really nice in this game. You are bound to go to melee or fall back on your secondary, having good secondary is such a pressure reliever, and heavy can help with two, the bolt pistol for tactical, vanguard, sniper, bulwark and plasma pistol also for bulwark.
Do they both get full exp though? I believe the exp of the level is split between the two - so if you've used your primary 60% of the time, and your secondary 40% of the time, then they'll get a 60/40 split of the exp (while your melee weapon gets a full 100, so something like the Tac with a 60/40 split would be 60/40/100, with the 100 being melee).
Next time I do a 3-weap-class mission I'll try to keep an eye out to confirm. If what I'm saying - which is what DRT is implying - is correct, then you're halving your exp by not playing a class with a melee weapon, because you're missing out on that 100.
@@jaxsonbateman they both get the same xp, heck, if you switch weapon mid operation, dont even need to use it at the end of the operation, you still gain xp for that gun. Three is the max from what ive seen so far.
@@phucletran2860 I think you're right - I was too caught up in the mission I just did to actually capture the exp going into each weapon, but from the looks of my Multi-Melta (the weapon I swapped to mid-mission), it certainly seems like it got a full dose of exp.
Really interesting! I had been keeping my loadout 1 weaps for entire missions as I've been wanting to max those first before moving on, but it definitely seems like swapping to a new loadout at each drop pod is the key. I'm curious if you actually have to engage in combat with them, or if you can swap to each loadout then resume with your first. More testing!
The bolt rifle with the nade launcher is all you need
For real. It’s disgustingly good 😂
also efficiency goes out the window if you are forced to use the matchmaker... at least in my experience, when random matchmaking tactcal and vanguard seem to be the most popular classes and sniper is the least popular...
Bulwark is the best. Melee gameplay is more fun than ranged imo, and no one does it better than captain stabby
Gotta say thanks for this video. Took your advice with tactical + Melta Rifle + Bolt Pistol + Chainsaw and finally won my first operation last night.
The knife is goated and i would pick it over the Thunder Hammer.
Dismissing the Bolt rifle is heresy.
melta rifle is the melta
The key question here, as someone that hasn't experienced Ruthless yet myself - are you going to be capable of comfortably doing it with 1-2 relic weapons, and 1-2 levelling weapons, assuming that you've levelled up the class itself to have all the perks you'd want for a Ruthless-level build (ie. I think it's about level 21 or 23 for a Bulwark to 'complete' their build)?
If you can complete Ruthless with just the class' strength and 1-2 relic weapons, then gunning for Bolt Pistol + Chainsword might be worth it, as that extra exp from the higher difficulty is going to be worth it to bring your actual desired weapons up to speed.
If you can't complete Ruthless just relying on that, then it's probably not worth it, given that your desired weapons need exp anyway - may as well just play on Average or Substantial and get 3 weaps worth of desired exp (and 3 weaps you plan on using), plus class exp, at the same time.
Furthermore, unless the weapons are immediately allowing you to jump into at least Substantial difficulty, then I'd argue that it's worth using levelling weapons - the ones you actually want to be using - until you reach that point. If you're sufficiently good at the game (which you would be if you have relic weapons you're considering using anyway), then you can jump straight into average with starter level weapons, no problem. Hell, is going to Substantial even going to be worth it if you're trading a whole weapon's worth of experience gain for that extra class experience?
I mean, Tactical, Vanguard, and Sniper only have the bolt pistol and either chainsword or Knife between them so where else would your exp be going? and as great as the regular pistol is at popping hormaguants heads you really should be using and learning the Plasma Pistol regardless of exp and then dealing with waveclear as the strengths of Bulwark and Heavy were designed to do. Assualt is N/A(kicked in ruthless). The real advantage to focus leveling a class and Relic tiering their loadout is in order to clear Ruthless reliably, for the Relic Weapon data, exp isn't even part of the equation there. The first thing you should upgrade with your first Relic weapon data after clearing ruthless with artificer-tier weapons is the weapon that will allow you to get more Relic weapon data, certainly not the bolt pistol.
Now, Im leveling my classes across the board however I feel like it, and yeah purple Melta Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, and Knife make the easier difficulties smoother and I can upgrade to a higher difficulty on that class sooner, the exp isn't being 'wasted' because its contributing to their Relic upgrade, but it they were already Relic tier the exp would only be wasted if there was something else I could and would like to level. If I level a Bulwark from level 1, im not using Artficer or Relic tier bolt pistol and Chainsword. I shall level the Plasma pistol and Power Sword, because that is what I'm going to be using, and if I don't level them now when the Bulwark should be doing minimal and average difficulty out of sheer lack of perks, then when should I level them? I leveled tactical alongside the regular bolt rifle instead of an Artificer Melta, because I intended to use Grenade Launcher at Artifice tier and there is no way im clearing Substantial with just the upgraded pistol and chainsword. When I level the Plasma Rifle from 0 will I do it on Ruthless with Relic tier Pistol and Chainsword? NO thats crazy. Substantial tho... I could manage Inferno and then Decapitation once the Plasma is upgraded to Master Crafted, and that Artifice weapon data is the real value.
TLDR: You are right that our brothers should just level what they are actually going to use, on a difficulty that the weapon is currently effective in, otherwise later one can only pretend it doesn't exist while leveling it in a higher difficulty, which is going to be much harder given that its unlikely to be a pistol in leveling limbo.
This whole Idea of leveling the Bolt pistol first is stupid, cause that will happen naturally on the classes that have no other option, those with other options should level them while they can on the lower difficulties when its usefull. The real reason to upgrade a loadout to Relic first is to have a Build to reliably clear Ruthless and get Relic Weapon data, exp comes naturally by doing the hardest difficulty you can reliably clear and then caps out when you don't have weapon data to spare for the upgrade.
When leveling the class in the beginning use whatever you are going to use for that class later in order to level it while you can. When the class is level 20 instead of level 2 you don't want to do a lower difficulty just cause you can't bring a Primary that can do more than scratches. When you don't have an (viable) alternative available to level instead, yeah having an already upgraded Pistol and Melee is nice, and will get you to a higher difficulty sooner. But not that much sooner. It will happen naturally so there is no way to force it anyway.
What you should actually do, after playing around and getting a feel with the classes at base and their better weapons, choose one build you saw online, and LOCK IN. the GOAL is to farm Relic Data from Ruthless difficulty, for the first time with Artificer Gear, and then later Reliably clear with a team, and preferably in a solo speedrun. Hell, If you don't have Artificer Weapon Data from Substantial your weapons Exp will cap at 7500, so don't procrastinate that at least.
If you truly want to min max and level all the classes and their best weapons, the only thing worth remembering is that the Melta is Vanguards only Great primary, while the Tactical also has the Bolter w/ GrenadeLauncher and the Plasma Rifle, so level the Melta in tandem with Vanguard first to maybe Artificer and then do Tactical using the other 2, with the Melta still in reach and ready if you need it. Pistols and Chainsword/Knife will level naturally as you play Tactical/Vanguard/Sniper. Other than that there is just the Plasma Pistol, if I had to choose i'd level it with the heavy first, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE because it will level organically as I play both classes.
Ok, between comments in the video and in the comments, I decided to do my own testing. Here's what I've discovered:
* Primary, secondary and melee weapons all get their pool of exp that totals to the total of the map, after Gene Seed and bonus exp is added (so if your class earns, say, 1300 exp, then each weapon slot will get 1300 exp). This means the idea that heavy splits its exp between primary and secondary weapon is wrong.
* Using different weapons via the loadout droppods will potentially split exp between the different weapons used. I say potentially, because in multiple tests I did see this to be the case (with the amount seemingly correlating to how many 'checkpoints' the weapon was equipped as part of, thus giving the weapons equipped at missions end the biggest share due to mission completion), but my final test just then resulted in my initial loadout not getting any of the share, and I'm not sure why (I definitely used them and killed some enemies between the start and first droppod, but I also had a capped Combat Knife equipped, so perhaps the fact it couldn't earn exp turned it off the share for the other weaps). But basically, best to assume that swapping weaps does lead to split/shared exp. There's no additional exp, it's shared (ie. in one mission my three primaries got 61, 117 andd 817 exp for 995, which is the same as my Bolt Pistol and Chainsword earned).
*The key one - a capped weapon still 'takes' exp even if you utilise droppods. On my vanguard test just then, I started with a capped Combat Knife, and swapped to an uncapped Chainsword (while using a Melta and a Bolt Pistol). The Melta and Bolt Pistol each got 965 exp, but the Chainsword only got 537, implying that the Combat Knife leeched 428 exp (that is, that exp was wasted). I will point out that it was capped at master-crafted; it's possible that a truly capped relic weapon would behave differently, but I'm skeptical.
Basically, each weapon slot gets a full share of the exp, and you seemingly can't use loadout swapping to increase the total amount of exp, or to allow you to use a Relic weapon but get significant exp for a levelling weapon. The best you could do would be to use the Relic weapon until the final droppod, then use levelling weapons for the final sections so they get the mission completion share of the exp. Ultimately, using a Relic Bolt Pistol on, say, a lv 1 Bulwark is going to make it stronger, sure, but you're still going to have to level that Plasma Pistol at some point - and that's the whole catch with levelling weapons purely with the mindset that they're shared. I've heard reports from players working on capping their classes and weaps that exp, not armoury data or req, ends up being the biggest gate once you're doing everything on Ruthless, so foregoing a whole slot's worth of exp each mission because it'll make the character a bit stronger... well, that's something each player is going to have to decide for themselves.
I've seen some comments kinda hating on this video. This video is if you were trying to level everything efficiently. He says in the video to play what you want, but if you're leveling everything these weapons have good crossover with other classes.
Yep. Crazy how many people don't understand this guide is for efficient weapon grinding. Not what's best at endgame.
That bit about the heavy is not true. You can level both the primary and secondary at once.
All classes are viable and good in their own way.. all can do ruthless difficulty np... what I keep seeing is that a lot of gamers lack skill and understanding of game mechanics.
The knife has some awesome finishers.
“Heavy is OP” I challenge this statement because tactical is actually busted.
Also Combat Knife isnt absolute shit since it’s great vs majoris lvl enemies.
Cheers
Watching this as a level 20 heavy 😂
Nah the combat Knife is actually stronger if you build it right. the Shoulder Tackle skill is good for AOE. The Final perk is also good, you just keep using light attacks your contested health refills quickly. I used Balanced Relic, instead of the Fencing; I can Perfect Parry 100%.
Just do what you enjoy its not about metas and whatnot, any class can work you just have to know your strengths & weaknesses
Are you sure you've max leveled every class? Because the heavy is the epitome of middle of the road. Don't get me wrong, heavy is fun as hell.... but endgame running via solo or mp there are 3 classes that do everything better or solo without issues. And honestly idk if vanguard is on par or also better than heavy, think that would be more of a skill issue on which is better. So then you just have assault left, and we all know it needs some major love to get on level. Also, combat knife is a go to for classes that can use it simply because of the perks and speed which helps reacting to parries in time.
Im gunning for snipers first bc he's got to wear capes.😂
I got max heavy, bulwark, and level 15 vanguard
I’ve got bulwark close to max and planning on heavy next. Which one do you prefer?
I would rate the combat knife over the chain sword. Its first heavy attack has a wide sweep that kills or knocks back minor enemies for easy gun strikes. It’s 3 light combo into heavy finisher is fast, and its fencing style is quite fast.
Meanwhile you need 3 light into heavy for stomp on chainsword, and the kick and punch don’t have as wide an arc over the wide swing. I leveled sniper first and got very familiar with the knife.
Alot of bad info in this video.
Assualt, vangaurd, tac, bulwark all get chain sword
Combat knife is a really good weapon, probably the best single target melee weapon
Melta weapons might only be the "best" because the overhealing.
Please dont run meltas on mission 4. You might as well quit because you wont be able to damage the boss.
"Please dont run meltas on mission 4. You might as well quit because you wont be able to damage the boss."
You can just swap it out before the boss room.
My tip, use the stuff you don’t like that much first, that way you can just play with the stuff you absolutely adore once the other stuff is all leveled up.
There’s no *need* to do this haha I just love having everything maxed out
Kind of insane take, why use a weapon you don't like when you can just use a weapon you like and then go back for completionist stuff after your character is fully leveled and youve got a weapon or two to help carry your less liked weapon with on higher difficulties?
@@glaive120 in my personal opinion makes you better at the game, and once you’re done you have usually the most op stuff left to lvl and it’s super easy, that’s why I said absolutely no need to do it just the way I like to play
Your Field of View seems far away than the normal one we get. Mods?
How dare you! The knife is one of the best melee weapons. And the hammer is way better imo than the power sword.
I don’t really understand the efficiency thing. What good is leveling the bolt pistol for another class if that class is going to be running the plasma pistol?
Exactly. If you are playing a particular class each run should give you enough req to get a perk and a weapon upgrade. So just play the game.
I am curious about the next season volkite weapon
Anyone else lost the dlc skins theyv unlocked? Iv kept all the standard legions but lost all dlc stuff. So annoyed
The Assault gets chainsword and pistol
Dunno what he is saying about leveling one range weapon per match mine always levels both
Great vid thank you so much. I didn't want to figure that all myself. You the goat.
Iam leveling the heavy and the bulkward, with the heavy i am leveling the plasma pistol and also farming armory data that y use for both. Y dont know way the oculus and the instigator is exclusive of the tactical, in the tabletop is exclusive of phobos armor users like the sniper ( infiltratos and incursors)
Ive always gotten primary and secondary exp, is it split by usage?
I found as long as i kill an enemy with my secondary itll still level up
Where’s things you missed part 10 -_-
The knife is shit!?! Nah man, you’re way off
All good stuff as usual any top tips on how to get my first data drops to unlock higher levels of weapon cant survive substantial difficulty always get paired with a player and bot.. then get my ass handed to me..... i know get good get good....but 4 attempts now and not survived a single one of op at that level difficulty
1st, yall! Game is great, your vids are informative, as always
One thing I can say about the heavy since it doesn’t have a close combat weapon, put a bayonet on the guns he has
Don't listen to this dribbler , use whatever you want
Yes. He is just saying from a min max efficiency of which weapons are shared with the most classes. So when leveling other classes some reused weapons will be stronger. That was a factor in why I started with Tactical. It’s transitioning well into my alt classes being stronger. But yes level whatever you want.
Do you think you content creators could do the players a favor and stop calling classes OP I can make any class in here extremely powerful. It doesn’t mean it’s OP but when you say stupid shit like that, then the debs wanna come in and Nerf stuff so then he’s garbage, please use your head