Anest Iwata Kiwami4 1.3 v Kiwami4 WBX 1.3 Spraying Upol 2080 Clear Coat
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- My ramblings on the Anest Iwata Kiwami4 BA4J 1.3 v Kiwami4 WBX 1.3 for clear coat, hope you enjoy the video, cheers everyone, thanks for watching 👍
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Thanks for yet another very informative video to help people understand the differences between models.
I can always count on getting valuable and reliable info from you.
Hi David. I like doing these comparison videos as it really is the best way for the painter to compare the gun's, it's certainly more obvious to the person using the gun what the differences are, otherwise your just going on memory and past projects which can distort the findings sometimes.
What makes this more interesting now I think is the standard Kiwami4 seems to have shot up in price so the difference between these two isn't as great as before, definitely worth considering, thank you as always, it is much appreciated 😀
@@peteshobbies5383 I agree the current pricing makes them less of a bargain. The prices a few years ago made them a very good deal for a Japanese made gun. I wanted to get the W400 Belaria and the Kiwami WBX because they had great reviews and low prices, now I am less motivated to buy one due to the dramatic price increases.
Having several guns, I do enjoy having a collection and using certain guns dedicated for specific jobs.
It seems that the manufacturers have decided to change their marketing strategy to target a higher price point market. I suppose perception is a huge factor in value. The SATA marketing and pricing seems to have spread to its competitors. Recently, I ordered some repair parts for my Iwatas, even the AirGunsa parts went way up in price. Now the SATA prices don't look so unreasonable in comparison to the Iwata, DeVilbiss and Sagola guns and parts.
Your sir are one hell of a painter,, in my opinion
Hi Mark, Thanks, mate. I don't do too bad considering the conditions I work in. Half of it is confidence, I am using different guns all the time these days, which I think really helps with confidence.
I know painters that really fret at the thought of trying a new gun when it needn't be like that, laying paint is simply reaching to what you see so you adapt to what you are seeing rather than sticking to a set speed, distance, pressure, material etc.
Thanks for watching mate, it's very much appreciated 👍
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I am learning and I have a w400 and using single stage so I'm always watching for tips , thank you ,by the way I hate orange peel
@mark7218 The W400 is the same as these. The standard gun is very good for single stage, it tends to be a little thicker that clear coat so requires a slight slower speed, it's very dependent on the paint you are using, I normally use a 1.4 tip with single stage as it wets it up nicely, cheers mate 👍
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Pete I have a 1.3 in the gun and its nexan paint, I think it's a ici paint
Great video, and some great advice on the upol. Thanks Pete!
Hi Brett, Thanks mate, much appreciated 👍
I have the kiwami4 i use for base. Ive used it for clear before. Its a really great all around gun for the price.
Hi Shaq, Yes, I would agree totally .they are a cracking all rounder, What makes it less clear-cut is the prices of the Kiwami4 are much higher now, so these two are closer than they were, so definitely worth thinking about the WBX
Those who have gotten the Kiwami4 when the price was lower, I'm sure, are very happy that they did. I also saw the price jump and was shocked, but the Kiwami4 is still a great gun, especially on solvent metallic basecoat.
Yeah, agree 100%. It's still as good as it always has been, just more competition at that price range
Wow! The kiwami4 has skyrocketed. I saw some k4 wbx's on ebay listing 278usd same as the k4
Yeah, they certainly have. At 278USD, the WBX would be an absolute bargain, especially considering you won't pay import duty as far as I know
Hi Pete, I do hope they bring the Kiwami range into the UK as like you say they are a better looking gun even though they spray pretty much the same as the W400 they just look a nicer gun which is part of the painting experience, ok sorry mate I cant type much today as I'm not very well.
Cheers Pete👍
Hi John, yeah, I'm thinking Europe is due to get them soon, as I say, I've seen a few dealers doing deals on the W400 so I'm just putting 2 and 2 together really.
I'm sorry to hear you're not too good mate, hopefully you'll be better soon 👍
Great video pete very well explained thanks for sharing that information would you say the Wbx gun is better than the kiwami 4 1.3 version the wbx has split nozzle technology
Thanks, Andy, yes, mate, I was saying in the video that the WBX atomises finer so can produce a better finish than the standard Kiwami4, the price of the Kiwami4 you have has shot up now so lucky you got one when you did 😀
*these are the greatest guns of all time.*
Hi buddy, they are certainly very good, the difference in price between the two is now significantly less so its not such an easy decision as to which one to go for 👍
Thanks for video, how would you rate kawami4 wbx vs sagola 3300 gto? They are very close in price, trying to choose.
Hi Ben, the Kiwami4 WBX would definitely take it. I think the Sagola will be more reliable as it's built like a tank, but that split tip sure does help the WBX put a smooth coat down, especially when used with better quality clears.
I've grown to like my 3300 Sagolas, but as I say, the WBX would take it , 👍
@peteshobbies5383 What do you think of the Kiwami4 WBX vs the Devilbiss Neptune? Similar price and they seem pretty similar with fine atomization. I am looking to spray clear with minimal orange peel.
Hi Justin, That's a difficult one, the WBX probably just tips it on atomisation but overall I would probably go with the Neptune, simply because the Neptune is lighter, better made, although the Iwata is good, a bit faster and has a none stick coating which makes cleaning really easy
You can get really good finishes with both so you won't be disappointed with either
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks much!
@justinthompson7623 You're welcome, buddy 👍
For honesty , I can get the same finish from my w400wb as my ws400 ... 👍
Hi Andrew, I agree. The WB is just as good as the WBX. It uses a little more air but is capable of just as good a finish as the WBX and the WS.
I was doing a WBX v WS400 Series 2 video yesterday. It's always good to do them back to back on the same thing as its really fresh in your mind, plus all other things are equal, I've recently got a 1.2 tip set for my WB, I know it will slow it up a little but I suspect it with atomise really fine, we will see, cheers mate 👍
@peteshobbies5383 nice! , will be interesting for me to watch that in honesty 👍 .
Oh and I agree with you on the pro lite vs w400 too ... a very unpopular opinion where I work 😅
Hi Pete, I use 2080 superior on an almost daily basis, it doesn't flow out like some of the top end clears just like you said, just wondering if you add reducer to your mix and what do you use? For this clear I use 10% extra slow reducer with 15 minute flash and it flows out pretty well and I've had some mirror finishes.
Hi mate, Yes, I sometimes use reducer, it depends on the temperature, normally 5 or 10% but sometimes none, normally it a standard speed reducer as it not particularly warm most of the time.
I always warm the mixed clear up, which really helps it flow, I've been using it for years along with a Max Meyer clear but in the last few years have been trying a few better quality clears and the difference is eye opening sometimes.
I'll definitely try heating my clear up this winter, is there any top end clears you'd recommend me to try out? Also have you got any plans to review lvlp guns like say a gtr500 from Burisch? Cheers
@K1NGD0MDOWN Yeah, heating it up makes a real difference to the viscosity.
Mipa CX4 or CC9 is very good. The CX4 is an express version but really nice, not that expensive compared to some, Sikkens Superior is the one most people rave about, but I've never got any as it's so expensive, may treat myself one day 😂
I would like to purchase a Sagola Classic Pro.xd I hope you can make a video on how this rifle performs🙂
Hi buddy, I am working on it, so hopefully, it will not be too long 👍
Great video Pete. I do have a question. Your always show your finished product out in the sun 2 days later. Do you leave it in the "booth" for 2 days for a reason? Thanks
Hi David, I wish I could show them in the sun all the time 🌞😂, unfortunately we aren't particularly blessed with that over here in the UK.
Originally, when I did these compare videos, I would only show them inside straight after. These days, I like to do them outside as well to give people a better idea of what the finish is like in the real world
The reason I leave them a couple of days, sometimes more is so any initial die back can occur, so again, it give you guys a chance to see it looking more like it would in the real world as you can get a little die back compared to a finish shown straight away.
I have a job keeping them out the way of anything else I'm doing as I have limited covered space, so I normally put them outside when I'm in the workshop which is a pain if it's raining, of course, if the wife is out I put them in the kitchen when I'm spraying 🤣😂
@peteshobbies5383 got it. Thanks for the reply.
@@davidray4655 No worries 👍
Здравствуйте Скажите пожалуйста какой из этих краскопульт лучше для нанесения лак
Привет, приятель, WBX - лучший пистолет, его распыление лучше, цена стандартной версии теперь дороже, поэтому имеет смысл купить WBX, если вы можете себе это позволить, спасибо за просмотр 👍
Great stuff as always. I wish everyone thought of everything as you do. How long have you had the ANI regulator?? Just noticed it. I’ve had one for a few months now it’s fantastic. Mine was 40 usd and heaps better than the devilbiss Chinese regulator.
Hi buddy, I've got a few ANI regulators, had them probably 5 or 6 years, as you say, really good value and well made, only drawback is they are quite long so if people are doing car seals the tail is a bit long and can get in the way.
The last year or so, I've been using Meiji regulators as they have a diaphragm that smooths out the air delivery, I have a diaphragm regulator on my air filter set but having another at the gun seems to smooth it out even more.
@@peteshobbies5383 ANI is amazing I had an R150 for a few years but I’ve yet to replace the O-ring. Meiji seems very impressive. I heard that Meiji predates iwata in their history not sure how true that is.
What is the item number on the Meiji regulator you speak of? Thanks again great content as always. You are the only person on YT demonstrating the pattern size.
@kr2513 Yes, Meiji was established in 1924, so they have been going years.
The gauge models are MAR for the none digital and MARD for the digital version. They are good gauges
@@peteshobbies5383 Pete your knowledge is unsurpassed. Have to ask, did you used to paint cars full time?
Hi mate, No, my background is in mechanical engineering, I used to run a workshop in a tool and plant hire company, so anything from a small power tools to diggers and dumpers, diesel, petrol/gasoline and electric so a real broad range, I used to love it 😀
We used to do some spraying of our machines, but my spraying was just a hobby at the time.
Then, when the company was closed as the land was to be developed, I spent much more time spraying, which was nearly 10 years ago. These days, I'm spraying every day. My projects, friends, family, friends of family, etc, it keeps me busy
How much l/m air volume compressor do you use to drive these gun? What would happen if compressor too weak? Still can paint but would have very bad quality? Or cannot even drive the spray gun? Thank you for all review with Iwata spray gun. Very little video talking about Iwata ‘budget’ gun comparing with dv1 that such bunch of gun
Hi buddy, I have 2 compressors linked together, so I have around 800lpm, which most people won't have unless they are a professional workshop.
The problem you will have if the compressor can not keep up with the gun is that the pressure at the gun will drop. When the pressure drops too low, the gun will not spray very well, causing a poor finish
@escz9629 Salut mon pote, merci, très apprécié 👍
Salut mon pote, je n'ai jamais vraiment aimé l'AZ3. Cela laisse beaucoup de place à l’amélioration. Dans cette vidéo, je tiens les pistolets à environ 165 mm, le WBX un peu plus loin car il atomise plus finement que le Kiwami4 standard, il convient donc à une distance un peu plus grande, mais seulement à environ 25 mm. Pouvez-vous obtenir l'ANI F160 là où vous vous trouvez ? , c'est une arme d'un bon rapport qualité-prix avec un grand ventilateur, au Royaume-Uni, ils sont moins chers que l'AZ3 mais ce n'est peut-être pas le cas là où vous êtes ?
@escz9629 Très sympa, j'espère que ça vous plaira 😀
Pete kiwami 4 wbx is that same as w400 wbx? Body in kiwami 4 is cheaper or simply different and good quality?
Hi Buddy, Yes, they spray exactly the same. The Kiwami4 is just the newer version, hasn't been rolled out worldwide yet, only Asia, but it will eventually
Allright, I need something universal for solvent base coat and clear ms and hs. You think that wbx is better then Bellaria or LPH? Bellaria in my country is 120 euros cheaper. Wbx is quite expensive.
@markam3489 If you want a universal gun, have you thought about the WB version? , probably better as an all-rounder.
They are better than Bellaria, slower, and use more air, but they have finer atomisation
You think about BA2 air cap?
WB version ba2 air cap in my country cost that same as W400 wbx. 500 USD.
Yes, the Kiwami4 WB is only available with the BA2 aircap
Hello Pete, I am about to buy a Kiwami4 BA4 with 1.4mm tip per your recommendation. I also intend to buy a 1.8mm nozzle/needle combo for the same gun. I am wondering if the existing 1.4mm on the gun and the 1.8mm use the same air cap or not. Do you know? Also, can I convert the same gun to a Kiwami4 WB2 gun just by changing its air cap? Take care.
Hi buddy, Yes, the Kiwami4 uses the BA4J cap for the 1.4 and 1.8, so all you need is a tip set, so needle and tip as the 1.4 and 1.8 needle is different.
The WB and WBX use the same tip, but this will not fit the standard BA4J cap as the tip has a bigger outside diameter, the WB or WBX cap will fit on the standard tip but will not spray correctly as the is a gap around the tip, hope that helps 😉 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you, Pete :-)) In other words, if I want WB (or WBX) air cap + nozzle/needle combo, you're saying I'd better get the WB gun body with them. Correct?
@windsurfingphd If you have the WB cap, tip and needle it will fit in any Kiwami4 or Wider4 body and work just like a WB, however, with the price of the tip set and cap you may as well just get the WB gun
@@peteshobbies5383 I understand. Thanks again :-))
@windsurfingphd No worries 👍
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Pete what fluid tip is in the WBX 1.3 or 1.4
Hi Andrew, they are both 1.3 mate in this video 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 IS THAT THE 1.4 YOU HAVE OR THE 1.3 PETE
@ANDY-we7mr it's the 1.3, I do have a 1.4 WB which is the same tip so I can swop them if I want to, but both the guns in this video were in 1.3 to make them more comparable
G’day mate at the end you were off the top of your head comparing the prolite T110 against the WBX saying that the WBX has it over it how would you compare it against the TE10 in MS clear do you think it would still give a better result my gut feeling would say yes but you have both there on hand. I figured it would do that’s why I got one turns up next week.
The W400 version not the kawami
@grahammorgan5025 Hi Graham, The WBX would take it over the T110 and / or the TE10 , It's the split tip I think that does it.
The atomisation is a little finer, although they aren't particularly fast, but neither are the T110 or TE10.
Be Interesting to hear what you think when you get the WBX Iwata
I’ll keep you updated when I have it available I don’t need it as I have enough guns but never turn down free stuff I guess 👍😂
Which would you say is faster a DV1 or this ?
My opinion would say the Iwata would be faster because of it not being a HVLP what are your thoughts?
It depends on what DV1 you mean , with the C2 cap it's probably a bit faster than a WBX but not as flat a finish, much more of a production finish, with the C1 cap it's slower than the WBX but has a flatter finish, it's all very close though with the clear coat used being more of a deciding factor