Polyphony and heterophony were/are fundamental features of Aboriginal (indigenous Australian) music. There were also repeatable rhythmic motifs and structures. The culture is 60+ thousand years old. Songs could also contain significant amounts of information in regard to, where the fishing was good, where not to camp, what plants and food sources were available and where. This is also true of Aboriginal painting. Their paintings were works of art but also maps and guides to the surrounding areas (nasty bugs, where a particular tree is, the spiritual meaning, potential threats etc) Music, Art and Dance were the vessels by which Indigenous Australians stored information and passed it on to future generations. It's astounding! Love hearing Ted speak! Thanks a million Vinnie.
Thank you vinnie, love your show! I appreciate the folks you have on your show like ted! Music is so important in all of our lives, the fact that you're having this Great conversation is the proof of its power. I think artists have always found a way to Navigate the landscape and get their music to The people's ears. We're So blessed to be in this Time period right now with all tools and Technology available. I believe in healing Power of music. The Future looks bright... 😎🎼👍🎹🥁🎸
So much good stuff in this conversation. I won't comment on all the good stuff but one thing mentioned I'd like to bring up. The Grateful Dead. I don't think they're a good example of what music can and should do for a society. There is enough information and connections now evident that the Dead had a role and backing that allowed them to achieve this longevity of shows and tours. There were some social engineers behind what was going on. The Dead dutifully did their part in getting those millions of tabs of LSD injected into the hippie scene from CIA laboratories... of course LSD was heavily promoted by Harvard CIA asset Timothy Leary, but actual distribution got a big boost by the likes of the Dead. So even if the band themselves were not fully aware, they were an establishment project helping manage the controlled chaos of the new anti-establishment culture... the notion of the acid trippin' social dropout, turned on and "tuned out", as a legitimate lifeway in that generation - guaranteed a neutralizing of an existing, energetic anti war movement on college campuses from the early to mid 60s. The hippies came along equipped with their dugs and free love, and everything went to pot. And the military industrial complex cheered on knowing there was going to be no real threat.
Ted is a brilliant writer and music historian. I enjoyed his positive interest and lecture on rhythm and drumming. He has a positive view of the future of music, I don’t buy it. I don’t think anyone can predict where we are going in this period of time. This pertains to commercial music, as it was in the 60s, when the Beatles etc. broke open the world. His prediction is something like that? This conversation didn’t get into ai, where Ted just shook his head. Just today, news came into the media that the two largest ai generators, Udio and Sunno ? Are being sued by ? The record companies. So, enjoy the view, BaDaBoom
I’ve heard that the earliest known recorded example was from something called “The Amen Break”. Other than that, and/or previous to it, the origins seem to be anybody’s guess. Any informational insights are welcome. I’ll have to look further into the 60’s Joe Bataan etc. thing as well. Thanks for the insights!
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 Really enjoyed your podcast a lot. Big fan of your playing. I went to Berklee from 73-75 and those guys who did that first Real Book were good friends of mine from school. Long time ago! Am now subscribed to your channel.
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 I will look into The Amen Break. Check out Pete Rodriguez’, I Like It Like That. Just read there is a documentary of the same name about that Boogaloo scene in NYC of that time.
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 Since mentioning Joe Bataan to you I read a bit about him online. Still alive and a very interesting character who seemed to play some part in early days of hip hop too.
I know what ruined today's music. It's the ultimate freedom that ruined it. Why is that? It's the "like" button. It's been with us for thousands of years, yes. Once you give absolute freedom, humanity tends to go stupid by themselves. Because quality doesn't sell itself!! Someone invents a stupid thing and it gets a mountain of likes. But that is the thing what creates the feedback loop! Not the companies, not the record labels, but the people themselves create it. Because they tend to be stupid and simplistic. It used to be that someone above the album (producer) was a MEGA musician - (like Quincy etc.) trying to find and sell quality but vs.still damn good music. Nobody passed to the studio, if did not offer "that" special quality, new approach, sound. I don't know, it doesn't have to be jazz, it can be completely banal pop like Roxette. Whichever way you take it, it's sophisticated pop. Something the producers offered. If it's Sade, Phil Collins, Level42, they were all bands with overlap. But there's nothing like that today. Nowadays you make a "Chinese hit" with apple and pie and the whole world gives it billions of likes. Well, if you want to stay in business, you gotta "trump" this shit. And how do you do that? Well, you produce the same crap, or worse. And the deadly circle comes full circle. What is the solution? I am really sad to say this, but only a total decadency will solve this (as usual). So the best years 80's/90''s will never come back (in a close future). It is up to us, to search quality music, to watch videos and podcasts with Vinnie, to keep and maintain a high standard for us and next generations!! 🙏💜
I’m not really sure what happened to the music, but I do know it used to be country western rock ‘n’ roll and jazz. I mean, that was basically the three radio stations then everything seemed to branch off to its own individual flavor. I mean for shit sake there’s probably 50 kinds of metal now, death, purple haze, steam metal who the hell knows just think of something there’s a genre of music now so it’s so fractured in so many ways that really no popular mainstream, thats dominating, I don’t know maybe that’s some of it. Everyone’s become so individualized and independent that there’s too many genres of music. It’s a little tiny piece meals everywhere. I don’t know if it’ll ever come back to mainstream even if you write a good hook!
All I know Vinny it’s a pretty sad state of affairs right now. The live music scene seems to be pretty dead here and Spokane and has been for a long long time. I’m working on an album with some friends and the marketing is so weird and different. Totally strange! Good thing Some of the guys in the band are young and They understand How to market themselves in this new system.
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Polyphony and heterophony were/are fundamental features of Aboriginal (indigenous Australian) music. There were also repeatable rhythmic motifs and structures. The culture is 60+ thousand years old. Songs could also contain significant amounts of information in regard to, where the fishing was good, where not to camp, what plants and food sources were available and where. This is also true of Aboriginal painting. Their paintings were works of art but also maps and guides to the surrounding areas (nasty bugs, where a particular tree is, the spiritual meaning, potential threats etc) Music, Art and Dance were the vessels by which Indigenous Australians stored information and passed it on to future generations. It's astounding! Love hearing Ted speak! Thanks a million Vinnie.
Thank you as well for sharing that!
Hi Vinnie 👋
Great interview 🙏
Thanks for sharing your views Ted.
I've seen you interviewed on Rick Beato a couple of times 😎✌️
Great feedback and thought stream here!
Great minds think alike Vinnie
😎✌️🥁🙏😁
Thank you both for this excellent conversation. I, too, am in the process of reading Music: A Subversive History. It's incredible.
Thank you vinnie, love your show! I appreciate the folks you have on your show like ted! Music is so important in all of our lives, the fact that you're having this
Great conversation is the proof of its power. I think artists have always found a way to
Navigate the landscape and get their music to
The people's ears. We're
So blessed to be in this
Time period right now with all tools and
Technology available.
I believe in healing
Power of music. The
Future looks bright...
😎🎼👍🎹🥁🎸
Thank you!
Wow! This was a lot of "food for thought". Thank you so much for this, Vinnie!
Thank you both of you for your work ! An opinion of mine : This conversation is deeply and totaly political. Hi from Greece!
Fantastic interview and exchange of ideas. Very succinct too!
Imagine Vinnie belly crawling all the way to get closer to the drum riser of Tony Williams to get a closer look! Oh man...😂 Obsessed much???
Great, thank you 👌👌👍👍✌️☯️🎶🙏
So much good stuff in this conversation. I won't comment on all the good stuff but one thing mentioned I'd like to bring up.
The Grateful Dead. I don't think they're a good example of what music can and should do for a society. There is enough information and connections now evident that the Dead had a role and backing that allowed them to achieve this longevity of shows and tours. There were some social engineers behind what was going on. The Dead dutifully did their part in getting those millions of tabs of LSD injected into the hippie scene from CIA laboratories... of course LSD was heavily promoted by Harvard CIA asset Timothy Leary, but actual distribution got a big boost by the likes of the Dead.
So even if the band themselves were not fully aware, they were an establishment project helping manage the controlled chaos of the new anti-establishment culture... the notion of the acid trippin' social dropout, turned on and "tuned out", as a legitimate lifeway in that generation - guaranteed a neutralizing of an existing, energetic anti war movement on college campuses from the early to mid 60s. The hippies came along equipped with their dugs and free love, and everything went to pot. And the military industrial complex cheered on knowing there was going to be no real threat.
Enjoying the book too here!
Ted is a brilliant writer and music historian. I enjoyed his positive interest and lecture on rhythm and drumming. He has a positive view of the future of music, I don’t buy it. I don’t think anyone can predict where we are going in this period of time. This pertains to commercial music, as it was in the 60s, when the Beatles etc. broke open the world. His prediction is something like that? This conversation didn’t get into ai, where Ted just shook his head. Just today, news came into the media that the two largest ai generators, Udio and Sunno ? Are being sued by ? The record companies. So, enjoy the view, BaDaBoom
Great!!
Great interview choice
Soupy Sales had jazz musicians on his show too
Am I wrong in thinking the Bugaloo came out of the Latin NYC music scene of the 1960s, Joe Bataan etc.?
I’ve heard that the earliest known recorded example was from something called “The Amen Break”. Other than that, and/or previous to it, the origins seem to be anybody’s guess. Any informational insights are welcome. I’ll have to look further into the 60’s Joe Bataan etc. thing as well. Thanks for the insights!
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 Really enjoyed your podcast a lot. Big fan of your playing. I went to Berklee from 73-75 and those guys who did that first Real Book were good friends of mine from school. Long time ago! Am now subscribed to your channel.
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 I will look into The Amen Break. Check out Pete Rodriguez’, I Like It Like That. Just read there is a documentary of the same name about that Boogaloo scene in NYC of that time.
@@amymalina5073 Thx! Will do!
@@breakfastwithvinnie7228 Since mentioning Joe Bataan to you I read a bit about him online. Still alive and a very interesting character who seemed to play some part in early days of hip hop too.
unique
What will be the condition of the arts be if Trump gets in?
I know what ruined today's music. It's the ultimate freedom that ruined it. Why is that? It's the "like" button. It's been with us for thousands of years, yes. Once you give absolute freedom, humanity tends to go stupid by themselves. Because quality doesn't sell itself!! Someone invents a stupid thing and it gets a mountain of likes. But that is the thing what creates the feedback loop! Not the companies, not the record labels, but the people themselves create it. Because they tend to be stupid and simplistic. It used to be that someone above the album (producer) was a MEGA musician - (like Quincy etc.) trying to find and sell quality but vs.still damn good music. Nobody passed to the studio, if did not offer "that" special quality, new approach, sound. I don't know, it doesn't have to be jazz, it can be completely banal pop like Roxette. Whichever way you take it, it's sophisticated pop. Something the producers offered. If it's Sade, Phil Collins, Level42, they were all bands with overlap. But there's nothing like that today. Nowadays you make a "Chinese hit" with apple and pie and the whole world gives it billions of likes. Well, if you want to stay in business, you gotta "trump" this shit. And how do you do that? Well, you produce the same crap, or worse. And the deadly circle comes full circle. What is the solution? I am really sad to say this, but only a total decadency will solve this (as usual). So the best years 80's/90''s will never come back (in a close future). It is up to us, to search quality music, to watch videos and podcasts with Vinnie, to keep and maintain a high standard for us and next generations!! 🙏💜
One more thing
It’s damn sure not gonna slow me down. I love it still jammin recording all of it. 🥁🫵🥁
🙂🎸🤘
I’m not really sure what happened to the music, but I do know it used to be country western rock ‘n’ roll and jazz. I mean, that was basically the three radio stations then everything seemed to branch off to its own individual flavor. I mean for shit sake there’s probably 50 kinds of metal now, death, purple haze, steam metal who the hell knows just think of something there’s a genre of music now so it’s so fractured in so many ways that really no popular mainstream, thats dominating, I don’t know maybe that’s some of it. Everyone’s become so individualized and independent that there’s too many genres of music. It’s a little tiny piece meals everywhere. I don’t know if it’ll ever come back to mainstream even if you write a good hook!
All I know Vinny it’s a pretty sad state of affairs right now. The live music scene seems to be pretty dead here and Spokane and has been for a long long time.
I’m working on an album with some friends and the marketing is so weird and different. Totally strange! Good thing Some of the guys in the band are young and They understand How to market themselves in this new system.
Thank you very very much both of you for your work ! My opinion on the sudject : The conversation is deep political. Hi from Greece !