Beating Hearts Of Iron 4 With TECHNOLOGY that NOBODY Uses
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Apparently, the way I play the game normally counts as a challenge. But I paid for the whole tech tree, I'm gonna use the whole tech tree
Yes
And here we see a bicycle division resting… Right as some Super Heavies roll through…
Bike Division: Am not getting paid enough for this shit -_-
Lol
Same i used that stuff too if just for rp reason if anything else.
You paid for it? Lmao
I use Amphibious tanks when I play Hungary in my friends and I MP games. I’ve gotta make Horthy proud with his grand fleet.
Yes thats him officer right here.
@@MieheKnoi The man with a heart of gold!
You play Hoi4 and have friends? IMPOSSIBLE
@@gojosatoru7804 I can be your friend.
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@@StationaryGamingReal Ok
i love funny and silly hoi4 challenges!
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me too! :D
You have come to the right place !
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It took some reading but wikipedia claims that the HMS Vanguard did, in fact, have 2 floatplanes and a catapult in its original design. However, in one of its many redesigns they were removed to fit in more AA guns. So it never actually sailed with float planes.
Let‘s be honest…. Paradox edited the wiki article to fix their gs 🤔
the amphibous tanks are pretty neat imo, I use them in marine divisions as well as amtracs and they do pretty well! the extra cost is worth it as you'll only equip a few divisions and use them for naval landings and river crossings!
Amphibious tanks are best as a supplement for hard attack in marines
I remember once playing as the USA and going for amphibious heavy tanks divisions and they single-handedly made me love amphibious tanks. I’m not joking when I say that there was literally nothing to stop them.
@@Galactipunk I think I'll try them out when I play the US ! I always felt that specialty techs like Amtraks can steal valuable mils from things like extra planes or extra tanks, but with the US industry you can indeed do pretty much whatever you want.
@@ekonomija8718 even with Germany or Japan, all you'll need are like 5 mils for amphib tanks because you'll only have a handful of marine divs, and you'll only need to put one in each division
@@ekonomija8718 yea if I want to try meme strats or dumb techs I always go US lol, because you can experiment with anything it's almost impossible to lose if you're not trying to do so
The HMS Vanguard focus gives you a template and spawns the ship itself in the port of Lanark.
I can only conclude that the entire reason they have rocket bombardment as a mechanic is so that the historical German AI can waste resources on it, just like in real life.
I used the level 3 rockets as China to destroy air bases in southern Japan to give me enough air superiority to drop paratroopers
Dont badmounth my Rocket babies
ISP goes out of his way to prove that every strategy is viable, and I seriously have to commend him for it.
Except for missile silos. The missiles were absolutely NOT viable based on what was shown in this video. I think he used them in a video like 3-4 years ago, and even back then they were horrible.
@Supercohboy they were a complete waste of resources IRL too. Spear said after the war the V2 programme was his biggest regret as it consumed an inordinate amount of resources
@@lovablesnowman They are a bit more effective in strategic bombing now in modern conflicts like in the Russo-Ukraine War as Russia bombs power plants. Just a bit, but it’s definitely a different story if the West isn’t supplying food and other civilian essentials
@@cpt.mystic_stirling They are better now because they are precision guided, and use lawn mower engines to save costs
"Maybe i slept on heavy fighters"
-iSorrowproductions while using the meta planes
These "meta" planes still lose out to a small airframe fighter equipped with 2 heavy machine guns and a canon with armor plates. IC wise these planes are not worth it.
@@Googlyeyes10 the range advantage is nice though. Too situational maybe, but definetly viable in SP
@@espen4330that range is helpful in Africa and South America
@@xeon39688 Range is nice everywhere dude
Nope. Small frame fighters still meta fighters.
I imagine an ISP Super Heavy Battleship to just have like several turrets of retrofitted railway guns XD
I think the Germans had such a crazy idea in mind. The H45 or whatever. An absolute unit of a battleship with those massive 600mm Gustav railway guns retrofited into 4 double barreled turrets.
@@Archangel657 H45 is purely a post-war internet fanfiction design.
@@ThatZenoGuy ahhh ok ok.
Good to know that the Germans weren't THAT crazy
@@Archangel657
The only 'real' superbattleship they wanted was H39, the bigger ones were purely napkin drawings.
@@Archangel657Well the H-40-44 were mainly made to prevent getting sent to the eastern front
No one really wanted to design those (H39 worked as it was just an enlarged Bismarck, mostly, and was under construction)
In my opinion, Heavy fighter come in handy when you island hopping in the Pacific, it’s fun to turn every islands you capture into unsinkable carriers
i think that palden norbu is proud of isp for this
Palden Norbu uses nothing but tanks equipped with rockets.
@@Ma_Zhongying he's never suffered a single casulty though!
I cannot stretch this enough, cruiser subs are OP, unlimited range naval supremacy, you can naval invade australia from st.petersburg if you wanted to
doesn't the 1940 sub have more range?
@@hugobroekmaat7855 The Cruiser submarine is like a 1940s sub but it more like a 1938 Sub. Very good, but ultimately kind of meh. I usually do coastal designer wit make them cheaper as they already have 5k km range.
@@hugobroekmaat7855 but he said unlimite range. You cant beat that
@@quarreneverett4767 yeah you can. The Armored Cruiser has similar abilities. So why aren’t those OP?
My issue with Range is practically, the range means little of you’re ability to actually naval invade or win a battle is reduced. I go for either CV based fleets with Heavy ship tanks or BB based fleets with auxiliary CVs.
This gives me the ability to actually kill fleets and gives me the ability to control sea zones.
You can spot singleplayer guys by seeing them mention Amtracks in a video about tech "nobody" uses. Love you
You can get through singleplayer with like nothing but infantry so yeah.
I mean to be fair the vast majority of the player base only really plays single player or maybe the occasional more co-op multiplayer.
I just dont have the DLC
You can spot single player guys by swinging a cat because the mp community is tiny.
My favourite thing about the super heavies is that New Zealand gets a 2 year bonus to research it even though you could never use them
BIG BOB
White Russia gets a two year research bonus and a 20 percent production discount. You can make them the backbone of your pushing divisions. Only time I've used them.
Honestly, rocket arty isn't a bad late game tech, as it gets buffed quite a bit.
With all the buffs, Rocket Arty 2 will absolutely Shock and Awe units. I’ve even pushed tanks when their not bunched up. Solo tanks Divs. melt in the face when the Rockets sing.
didn't they also add nuclear warheads to the last rocket tech?
@@the-letter_s Yeah, but it's broken or doesn't exist at all. Currently it's only an icon.
@@kirby1225 hopefully they fix that. of course, i moreso hope they make nukes actually worth using.
@@the-letter_s mods do but i dont play much anymore lately. They keep kneecapping their own game
Rocket arty is great, allows you to have basically 2 art support companies for extremely cost efficient soft attack
In reality, the silliest thing about this video is ISP calling out the Vanguard for not being historically accurate
Amph units ate great if your a minor nation (like the Netherlands). You're already limited in how many units you can field, so any bonus you get from SP is a lot better
Love how unloved the armored car is, that it didnt even make it into this video :D
Very based. Always hated how there were all these technologies no one ever uses. Thank you for putting them to use
Some of them suck like the Super heavy tanks.
If you go Pope path on Italy they get a free superheavy tank template with rockets. Unfortunately the AI doesn't field anything worth making SHT to fight, and I can say from personal experience that trying to push through the Alps with them is difficult.
hi (hoi4 rizz)
Is this how HOI4 research looks like with all the DLCs? Looks like a mod at this point
Same, I didn’t realize amtracs and amphibious tanks where part of the game, I just assumed they were part of a mod
If ISP doesn't say he's using a mod, he's probably only using player lead peace and nothing else
@@Thatonepersonyouheard I know he isnt using a mod, Im just surprised how weird the research tab looks like with all the DLCs in vanilla
I go for rocket arty, along with all the other gun support companies (and shovel ofc) all the time. I also enjoy Super Heavy Tank as a breakthrough division but that’s for jokes. Rocket arty good genuinely though.
oh boy time for another episode of silly and fun hoi4
Infact, I do enjoy ridiculous and funny HOI4 challenges! Thanks for asking, Isorrow!
The mod "10 for everything" let's you put 10 dockyards on capital ships. Would've made this run much less painful.
Makes me wonder why you can't have 10 dockyards on battleships/ carriers in vanilla. I'm still spending resources on it, why not let me invest more resources into it and build it faster?
@@matthewniamat90 A dew answered this in a Q&A and if I remember correctly, the reason is because it allows you to replace a fleet too easily and you could sink the entire enemy navy and not get any progress donw.
@@terriblejokefactory8831 Even with ten dockyards cruisers, battleships, and carriers still take a hot minute to build.
i love watching isp it makes me feel better about slipping into insanity. Feels nice having someone to go insane with.
Heavy fighters are surprisingly strong if you have the industry for it. They are expensive but just stacking air attack to the maximum and nothing else they will just shred everything.
Hi my friend, I have a problem. I downloaded hearts of iron 4 v1.12.9, but I encountered a problem. There are no flags of countries and the map is black. What is the solution?
You could have gone and made a super heavy amphib tank with the amphib drive, which could have been quite funny
are sure that isn't just a submarine tank minus the part where it resurfaces
Don't think u can put amphib drive on superheavys unfortunately
@@espen4330 just checked you can not it says "The design cannot have more tthan 0 Amphibious Drive modules."
Add a helicopter rotor and its an avengers level threat
A big problem with the unused tech is not that its bad when deployed, but that they're not good enough to justify the research, production, or material cost
i always build superheavy battleships since it looks cool and i want a cool looking ship in my navy
welcome to the heavy plane club, i always use them because i cant be bothered with moving airfields so often so the range is lovely
Do it all again because you forgot you can equip your naval bombers with cruise missiles at rockets III
The Vanguard focus does spawn the HMS Vanguard, you can clearly see it in scotland at 14:50
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I like to play Japan for no reason other than to make SBBs. The trick is to build them using the Coastal Fleet Designer since it will bring the cost of the hull with armour and main battery below 10000 and save you a lot of production time. You can upgrade everything but fire control until just before going to war since the treaty usually falls apart during initial construction, then swap your designer to the capital ship one (which is really cheap with the Flexible Contracts Spirit) and upgrade the fire control. Magically, the debuffs from coastal designer vanish and you get yourself a very pretty boat.
They fixed that so you know have to pay the cost difference
@@swamperino8450 ah rats. Still, the CD Designer lets you start building the hull while the London Naval Treaty is still in effect at least and the naval refit yards gives you 15% off on the rebuild so it's still manageable.
@@swamperino8450 fixed.. they always claim they fixing
super heavies, I mean, they do hit like a truck, the only problem is that by the time you start pumping them out and by the time that they get to the frontline the war is already over.
I use Amp Tanks quite alot as Italy. Not enough industry for full tank divisions, but enough to put amp tanks in my marines.
Why are post-war Europe borders so good, what happened to the AI?
I'm kinda nervous
I used the water tank exactly one time, while doing the achivments as netherlands to loose and regain the mainland. That was actually preety fun
Cruiser submarines are actually excellent to use early game. They are basically SUB3s but in 1936
this is where the fun doesn't begin
This is where the fun ends
Super hevy tank only is love super hevy tank only is life
strat rocket 3's are great, if only they dealt more damage... but hey, you COMPLETELY missed the fact that they can carry nukes!
how about we do SUPER HEAVY BATTLESHIPS ONLY
I bet isp dosent know about the miget submarine for italy
0:18 I knew Call me Kevin was just Isp's alter ego!
Personally heavy fighters, armtracks, super heavy battleships and rocket artillery are all things I normally use. Especially heavy fighters.
As someone who doesn’t own the By Blood Alone DLC, I unironically use heavy fighters all the time for the sole reason that they have a much longer range. Since air superiority missions receive a penalty if not the entire region is in the aircraft’s range, it comes in handy when invading the soviets as Poland or during the 2nd American Civil War in Kaiserreich (as Huey Long of course) since the air regions in those places are so big that the extra range makes a big difference
You can put support rocket artillery and support cannon artillery in the same unit, and you can paradrop both along with recon light tanks.
Isorrow, I’ve been having a shit week, mate. This, this really brought it around. Your suffering for our entertainment will always put a smile on my face. Please don’t stop. Also, this is what I imagine all of my inept MP friends research and build.
I did 1930's guns, sword katanas and talwars runs. Cavalry runs, Armored car runs. Let me tell you, it all works against china united front at least.
Actually I regularly use Super Heavy tanks and play around getting them. Rename this video NOW!!!
The cool part about heavy fighters is that you can make them have really high air defense, which makes it impossible for the AI to shoot out of the sky.
or you could just build 40% more regular fighters that can easily out dogfight everything in the sky
@@andrewgreeb916 no fun
@@andrewgreeb916 I looked it up online and some guides suggest just going for heavy fighters instead because they shred regular fighters!
Would be interesting to see this post war world in which the lessons learned were the value of heavy fighters, super battleships, and amphibious forces leading to a much different looking Cold War buildup, especially as all the freed colonies get handme down British equipment and Africa and the middle East is filled with much different types of units and battles.
Jeez, I remember when I stopped playing Hoi4 the heavy fighters and super heavy tanks were actually used.
ISP should play War of Rights and try and not to get blown to smithereens by a 12 pound cannonball
ISP I know you have another channel.
"TECHNOLOGY that NOBODY Uses"
*sad mechanized marine noises*
You can put amphibious drives on other tank chassis, which makes them count as special forces as well. The upside of doing that is that you can therefore use a real tank chassis. I think it's not allowed with heavies for obvious reasons, but mediums can do it.
They've missed an opportunity not having the Japanese submarine aircraft carriers
I have found the isp other games channel. I can escape the hell that is this channel. The additional channel is called
*Bang*
I unironically use missiles in every game. They do absolutely nothing, but it's fun to pretend you're shooting something across an entire ocean with ICBMs
I've used super heavies absurdly late game in infantry divisions, although I don't find much use outside of that.
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I did a game with equipment I never used on the Soviet Union. They are good for it because of their industry. Now I only build heavy fighters.
Italys bycicle,camel and other weird troops😭🙏
Heavy Fighters are extremely good, but costly. However, if you run them with Armor Plates its basically instant-clap on Airforces. Additionally the range pairs REALLY well with Strat Bombers, so a USA with Heavy Fighters & Strats basically instantly destroys entire countries' industries.
Every now and then I'll do a rocket site focus in a memey multiplayer game with my friends and it is admittedly quite fun when you have an absurd number of sites with the highest range upgrades
As for rockets not reaching China: well, there's Hong Kong which you could've used for the task
I think we’ve all gone down the rocket tree once and realized that they are super disappointing
Why would people not use armoured cars? It's great for garrisons, great for tank divisions to keep the armour & piercing up while being very cheap. And if you have a big enough industry like Germany, the US or Russia, it can be used to great affect with the infantry(given you weren't stupid and built supply).
Maybe if ISP does a stricter version of this series where he only uses one form of technology for a challenge! Maybe it starts out with artillery only...no one has ever done that before...right?
2:00 to be honest, I did use it to launch naval attack on yemen as germany. Just some extra oil, you know? It was fun to take Middle East with some Italy docking support.
Yeah, most of the amtracks and floating tanks should start earlier in the tree imho, It's quite hard to use it at later stages of war.
Edit: floating tank should not be a special force, that would make them just a touch useful. (or maybe count your special force as manpower, not units).
Are you gonna release a long version of the mega campaign?
Motorised rocket artillery is actually really good
ISP, I think you forgot the floating harbor
I actually use heavy fighters on the US since their range is incredible for the island war and reaching the home islands
Also rocket rails are amazing since there’s no agility penalty
Rocket rails are kind of a meta for Cas as they don't drop agility
You say we are trapped here on this channel in HOI4 hell with you... but judging by the relative view counts I think you're trapped here with us 🤔🤣
I don't even play hoi4 but I love your videos
i use heavy fighters, they’re just fighters but better
10:16 France in 1940 when Germany enters Paris
Thank you for this wonderful meal, any chance to simp for battleships and heavy fighters is a chance I'll gladly take
Rocket artillery is actually pretty good if you combo it with the superior firepower path.
People don't like to use the cruiser subs?
we need isorrowproductions and isp to collab
I use super heavy tanks only when I'm Britain after conquering or if I play as Germany
Rocket Artillery Only?
An amtrack and amphibious tank, with some rocket artillery support superheavy tanks driving into territory turned into moonscape by British rocketbombing. WELCOME TO THE OPERATION MINDFUCK!
Litarely the opposite of blitzkrieg
Please do March of the eagles A2Z!
The last time I was this early Germany still had a Monarchy
I pretty much always use Heavy Fighters and Tactical Bombers. Sure, they're more expensive, but they have better range without having to strap more fuel tanks onto them and can carry more weapons. I guess they're not too practical for smaller nations, though. I guess making combo Heavy Fighter/Bomber is needed for that. Everyone has their own playstyle, though, and I just don't like having to build another airport every few seconds to have air coverage. Perhaps we could say that the heavier planes are quality over the quantity of the smaller planes?
I actually really like building Super Heavy Battleships for the sole reason that it's a massive flex. If I'm playing a nation that has 15 or more dockyards you can be sure as hell I'm throwing out a SHBS and giving it a dumb name like the "USS Big COCK", then making it the pride of the fleet.
I love ridiculously funny and silly hoi 4 challenges!!!!
(End my misery)
Rocket rails on planes are actually pretty neat. CAS without loosing agility
I would love to see an Ammtrac/Amtank Japan. I would imagine they can roll through China, SE Asia and into India faster than the Allies can deal with... A smaller, efficient military effort means more resources for the Navy, right?... Which means you can finally do.... ?