Actually the neutrality one is not the historical portuguese tree because that makes Portugal go democratic. The historical one is the one where you keep salazar and the Estado Novo
It goes from one of the most popular and flavorful nations in EU4 To being INSTANTLY forgotten in Victoria and HOI4 The fall of Iberia in geopolitical terms happened so fast
All of geopolitics is a stage, and all the countries in it merely players. Many nations have their entries and exits, and one nation may play many parts in its time, sometimes a nation will be the most powerful empire on earth, with innate, opulent wealth, and sometimes its just that country next to Spain. Some call it tragedy, other call it the way of the world.
Blame Napoleon. When you destabilize a colonial empire, make no effort to keep the colonies loyal and bleed the country dry in terms of both blood and money you don't tend to leave a powerful nation behind you. Especially after Trafalgar when the Spanish could no longer project power overseas. One of the largest empires in the history of the world simply faded away in a few decades because Napoleon didn't trust Ferdinand VII
You mean the fall of love given to iberia by paradox happens so abruptly between eu4 and victoria? Because in the real world, portugal had been declining since 1580 when a succession crisis brought about the iberian union, in which spain treated it basically as another one of its colonies. When Portugal broke free in 1640, Portugal had lost some of their colonies during some of the spanish wars, and while after the union portugal was still considered a relevant power, new colonial powers, some of which took their lost colonies, overshadowed the new liberated portugal, such as tbe dutch and the english. The major blow however, was in the napoleonic wars, where portugal was forced to fall back on brazil, which it after declared independence under the king's son. Thereafter, it essentialy became a british protectorate.
the reason why estonia and france recieved a boost in comunist ideology is because the focus gives that national spirit to any european country with a certain amount (around 10%) so france of course because of events and i guess estonia. (thats why you see yougoslavia and then it disepeares later in the Video)
@@pao5567 they did it on purpose to punish the Ukrainian people for their attempted Declaration of Independence during the Russian Civil War. Not a drought but a genocide.
3:42, Actually, the historical path is "Support the Spanish Nationalists" believe it or not. Portugal wasn't neutral, so why paradox added that path is a good question...
I think with the "Latin American Communism" focus, you were supposed to use your spies to help further influence communism in the region. The focus even gave you a permanent bonus for propaganda and boosting ideology missions. (7:31) That's my guess at least I have no clue why Portogual wanted to influence Estonia though....Maybe Portugal thought poor Estonia was lonely in the Baltics
Omg I literally played this exact game earlier today. Like from the Allies smashing in 1940 and holding Greece, the ussr collapsing, the amount of units me and isp had when we invaded the Germans, the South Americans not joining, the Hungarian borders, the Romanians owning lots of Russia, japan going ham on everyone, the mass encirclement in the Belgian area, oml I’m typing as I’m basically watching him play the game I played this is crazy! They did annex Vichy in my game tho
Monarchist Portugal is my favorite nation to play. You can easily absorb Brazil and then immediately turn around and support monarchists in the Spanish civil war. During the peace deal you can take a huge chunk of Spain and follow it up with war goals in South America. It’s stupid strong if played right.
It looks like you get a boost to the boost party popularity mission with your south american focus as well, so I guess the idea is you pick which countries you want to get to the right percentage. I'm guessing they added it before La Resistance so it would have been the diplomatic option before. Also being able to attack the Guanchi Clique from a focus would be kind of useful for Go Ahead, Macau My Day. UK of Portugal and Brazil is probably stronger for the manpower, but coring Spain probably gives more factories and with Macau as a collaboration government you start to snowball manpower from taking China on its behalf, so there could be an argument for this path for that achievement.
Tysm for playing portugal and making people remember it exists and not be a forgotten nation, I'm from Portugal btw Also strengthen the regime is the historical one Edit: tysm for 100 likes, I've never had that much
For me it made perfect sense that France had lost all its colonies in Africa after World War 2, after all the French were deleted from the map by Germany In the game it would make sense every colony revolt if the central government fell in a war like that or even the other powers take from the French because they think they are not capable enough to maintain the colonies "🤓"
Portugal is Britain's oldest Ally, Great fun to play, Can cause Chaos and Mass Casualties which ever Faction you go with due to the very Tactically chosen locations of their Colonies and Islands that can be easily built up with AA, Airfields, Infrastructure, Ports, Radar, and Naval Forts to make good R&R&I&I Locations for our Friends :)
I actually unironically played democratic portugual a few times. I wanted to larp as a minor allied nation in single player and be relatively safe, but not out too safe. I also found out that I could just invade China through the focus tree as democratic Portugual, so that was fun.
Only way I ever got any of the SA countries to flip red was using the agents. But I had to pick and choose because it would take too long to eventually get to all of them
I can't even imagine a world with two Frances - and that happened several times in history. Three of them? I'm shivering of dread only writing about it...
The only thing I hate about this game is % land taken or even % victory point taken doesn't account for anything. How does losing troops add more then taking Berlin I will never know.
probably russia or china. russia can be partitioned into like thirty releasable states and you can get four russias on top of that from the original USSR, a civil war tag, and two collaboration government tags (you can toss in even more collab tags on top of that by collabing all the releasable states too). you can release all the warlords in china and also a few others like the sichuan and cc clique, plus you can get collabs on all the warlord and both normal chinas
It's ironic, as I'm doing a CK2 playthrough right now and currently there are two Frances: titular Crusader France held by me, and the Kingdom of France held by some random Pagan.
Bro The most repeated part of the video is the end of the commercial about the channel's jerseys... This means that almost everyone just passed the commercial on instead of listening to the poor man
Portugal historically goes estado nova snd supports the nationalist, staying neutral ish , but also offering too build naval bases on the azores too the USA and brits.
I really think the Portugal focus tree is very underrated. I've had a lot of fun playing it in many diferent ways including doing a world conquest as monarchist path. By far the hardest challenge is doing the fascist path (non axis) because you have negative trade relations with everyone and cant join any factions. All this to say: PORTUGAL CARALHO 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
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portugal doesnt exist
O hello! Good video like every time :)
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I play Portugal mr sorrow!
Hello.
Actually the neutrality one is not the historical portuguese tree because that makes Portugal go democratic. The historical one is the one where you keep salazar and the Estado Novo
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@@jaceritchie7948 its a pretty big change lmao
@@jaceritchie7948 That's you lmao
@@jaceritchie7948 is that a self portrait? 😎
@@jaceritchie7948 ratio
Actually democratic Portugal wasn´t the historical path, it's supporting nationalist spain and strengthening the regime
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@@DavideKuras stop being like this you stupid discord mod
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@markon6625 more discord mods
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It goes from one of the most popular and flavorful nations in EU4
To being INSTANTLY forgotten in Victoria and HOI4
The fall of Iberia in geopolitical terms happened so fast
Thats what 300 years of stagnation followed by a napoleonic invasion and total decolonization will get you
All of geopolitics is a stage, and all the countries in it merely players. Many nations have their entries and exits, and one nation may play many parts in its time, sometimes a nation will be the most powerful empire on earth, with innate, opulent wealth, and sometimes its just that country next to Spain. Some call it tragedy, other call it the way of the world.
@@germanyballwork5301 Good to know
Blame Napoleon. When you destabilize a colonial empire, make no effort to keep the colonies loyal and bleed the country dry in terms of both blood and money you don't tend to leave a powerful nation behind you.
Especially after Trafalgar when the Spanish could no longer project power overseas. One of the largest empires in the history of the world simply faded away in a few decades because Napoleon didn't trust Ferdinand VII
You mean the fall of love given to iberia by paradox happens so abruptly between eu4 and victoria? Because in the real world, portugal had been declining since 1580 when a succession crisis brought about the iberian union, in which spain treated it basically as another one of its colonies. When Portugal broke free in 1640, Portugal had lost some of their colonies during some of the spanish wars, and while after the union portugal was still considered a relevant power, new colonial powers, some of which took their lost colonies, overshadowed the new liberated portugal, such as tbe dutch and the english. The major blow however, was in the napoleonic wars, where portugal was forced to fall back on brazil, which it after declared independence under the king's son. Thereafter, it essentialy became a british protectorate.
the reason why estonia and france recieved a boost in comunist ideology is because the focus gives that national spirit to any european country with a certain amount (around 10%) so france of course because of events and i guess estonia. (thats why you see yougoslavia and then it disepeares later in the Video)
"Playing democratic Portugal historically", not even Portugal IRL took that path lol
I'm gonna play historical Soviet union without the holodomor or communism.
@@thecrimsonfuckeralucardlor5087 the holodomor ended in 1933 so I would hope it isn't still going on by the time hoi4 begins
@@definitelynotstalin4306 yeah how tf do you get a 3 year long drought
@@pao5567 if you live in Australia during a dry period
@@pao5567 they did it on purpose to punish the Ukrainian people for their attempted Declaration of Independence during the Russian Civil War. Not a drought but a genocide.
3:42, Actually, the historical path is "Support the Spanish Nationalists" believe it or not. Portugal wasn't neutral, so why paradox added that path is a good question...
For people that want to play ▶️ democracies... I think...
I mean you can make most countrys flip to whatever ideology you want so why not democratic Portugal
Imagine how bad the game would be if you couldn’t change ideology…..
@@jaishwnd8609 Communist Germany.
In b4 some 🤡 comments 🤓
I think with the "Latin American Communism" focus, you were supposed to use your spies to help further influence communism in the region. The focus even gave you a permanent bonus for propaganda and boosting ideology missions. (7:31)
That's my guess at least
I have no clue why Portogual wanted to influence Estonia though....Maybe Portugal thought poor Estonia was lonely in the Baltics
as an estonian, i approve estonia surviving world war 2
Are you nationalist?
As a Latvian, I approve that one of us made it out
surviving as a soviet puppet, not quite surviving
@@Pavelgon4ik yes i love my country
@@DeathSlayer1337 patriots love their country, nationalists are Nazis
Omg I literally played this exact game earlier today. Like from the Allies smashing in 1940 and holding Greece, the ussr collapsing, the amount of units me and isp had when we invaded the Germans, the South Americans not joining, the Hungarian borders, the Romanians owning lots of Russia, japan going ham on everyone, the mass encirclement in the Belgian area, oml I’m typing as I’m basically watching him play the game I played this is crazy! They did annex Vichy in my game tho
Monarchist Portugal is my favorite nation to play. You can easily absorb Brazil and then immediately turn around and support monarchists in the Spanish civil war. During the peace deal you can take a huge chunk of Spain and follow it up with war goals in South America. It’s stupid strong if played right.
You are supporting the monarchist? Is this beneficial I am just eating spain after the Civil war and take everything.
You should do a democratic Baltic nation path
Might be interesting because big papa Stalin will come for you
I wish I could play HOI4 without my laptop acting like its in South Western Djibouti
Lol . Bro i do not have a pc or laptop :(
@@fandeninjaxxetnino6213 laughs in amazon smart fridge*
Oof
@@gamesarefun1338 laughs in Windows 10 Pro, HP 6200 Pro SFF, Desktop PC Computer, 8GB Ddr3 RAM, 250 GB HDD Hard Drive (Renewed)
As a portuguese i'm honored isp
rotating salazar
Tu és gay, Salazar!
Tuga...
As a Dane whom moved to Portugal in 2022 i share your experience. Even if it is as an immigrant.
@@asbjo That's pretty cool! Welcome to our country 👍
It seems ISP needs some Portuguese history lessons
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Tbf most people probably do as well
@@BarbarConan103 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I'm Portuguese and loving in Estonia for a few years.
Expected this to be a Portugal game but it turned out to also be an Estonia game.
Neat!
Of all the flags they could've used for Iberia, they choose the one that looks like a tablecloth
Actually I started playing portugal alot. I used to think hungry was my favorite, now portugal is as well
hungry?
@@boda24able he’s hungry
@@XavierCadavez hungry on his adventure to reunite austia-hungry
@@boda24able Hungary
@@boda24able No i just ate
I loved it when he said "its portugal time" and then everyone got portugaled on. Awesome
When I can't decide who to play I always go Portugal. The UK of Portugal and Brazil is very nice and easy to do.
I do this exact same thing except I usually go Iberian Union.
It still feels weird not having the Ironsides into
The historical option is strengthening the Estado Novo regime and keeping Salazar.
What if we kissed on the Iberian Union & Soviet Czechoslovakian border?
You'd be freezing in the Czech mountains, but that does sound like a nice date night anyway.
Hearing ISP trying to pronounce Álvaro Cunhal's name is someting marvelous.
I say that Parodox should me a focus tree for Norway, Sweden, and Finland. It will be so interesting to see them
It looks like you get a boost to the boost party popularity mission with your south american focus as well, so I guess the idea is you pick which countries you want to get to the right percentage. I'm guessing they added it before La Resistance so it would have been the diplomatic option before.
Also being able to attack the Guanchi Clique from a focus would be kind of useful for Go Ahead, Macau My Day. UK of Portugal and Brazil is probably stronger for the manpower, but coring Spain probably gives more factories and with Macau as a collaboration government you start to snowball manpower from taking China on its behalf, so there could be an argument for this path for that achievement.
The Portugal focus tree WAS added in la resistance so
Mandatory "PORTUGAL, CARALHO!"
finally a PORTUGAL CARALHO, not enough of them around here
@@vroomkaboom108 we must change this
Glad Portugal is getting the spotlight for a change.
0:07 A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. - Joseph Stalin
So powerful, but yet they didn't gave back our gold... *You're coming to Brazil, Portugal.*
Give us our mirrors back first
@@eaturcookiescookie7462 Sure, pay with gold.
@@henriquemachado9941 Bolsonaro would rather pay to get a crown of a dead monarch than push to get reparations
I love how France absolutely disintegrated.
Now you have to play Estonia and ally Portugal.
Fun Fact: Humberto Delgado would become a major opposer of the Dictatorship in Portugal and would be known as the "Fearless General".
And then those cowards murdered him.
8:48 I really thought ISP was gonna go full "Your C😩M won't last" with how that line sounded, thank god he did not. I have enough trauma.
Tysm for playing portugal and making people remember it exists and not be a forgotten nation, I'm from Portugal btw
Also strengthen the regime is the historical one
Edit: tysm for 100 likes, I've never had that much
How can the world forget Portugal exists? The greatest football player of all time is Portuguese...
Bruno Fernandes is the GOAT.
@@obtuse186 oh hell no how can you be so dumb, its Pepe
@@obtuse186 omg bro you're like so right
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De nada
I honestly think the peace conferences became worse after they "fixed" it
I cant imagine how terrified the Germans were when the entire male population of Paraguay turned up to garrison their country.
For me it made perfect sense that France had lost all its colonies in Africa after World War 2, after all the French were deleted from the map by Germany
In the game it would make sense every colony revolt if the central government fell in a war like that or even the other powers take from the French because they think they are not capable enough to maintain the colonies
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Personally I think democratic Portugal is one of the funniest democratic playthroughs you can have
Gotta love Estonia and Paraguay
Portugal is Britain's oldest Ally, Great fun to play, Can cause Chaos and Mass Casualties which ever Faction you go with due to the very Tactically chosen locations of their Colonies and Islands that can be easily built up with AA, Airfields, Infrastructure, Ports, Radar, and Naval Forts to make good R&R&I&I Locations for our Friends :)
Actually Portugal is my fav contry to play, it is so fucking good to play and make a world conquest!
username checks out
@@vroomkaboom108 🗿🍷 Your right
Unironically enjoy this path for Portugal
THAT IS RIGHT WE, THE PORTUGUESE ARE OP AND WE ARE PRESENT IN THIS VIDEO
Thanks for playing Portugal!
I stopped playing till this dude brought me back
PORTUGAL NUMERO UNO!!!!! CAMPEAO DE MUNDO!!!!
Nope 😐
Siuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I actually unironically played democratic portugual a few times. I wanted to larp as a minor allied nation in single player and be relatively safe, but not out too safe. I also found out that I could just invade China through the focus tree as democratic Portugual, so that was fun.
Fifth Empire is the real G Portugal path
in a modded game i got 6 FRANCES, one democratic, one fascist, 3 communists and also my puppet france, and all of this BEFORE any peace treaty
I like when he says hearts of iron 4
Only way I ever got any of the SA countries to flip red was using the agents.
But I had to pick and choose because it would take too long to eventually get to all of them
15:10 "I feel like there's too many Frances" - Europe after the collapse of the Carolingian Empire
14:44 literally french football
no i did play portugal and laughed when i heard what the units said when i selected them
Ah yes, carlist soliders for the Iberian Socialist Union
any explanation on the Estonian connection yet?
“Look out chaps, its the eeeeevil forces of PORTUGAL!”
I play portugal maybe 40% of all my playthrus and im swiss
You are now an honorary portuguese citizen, bem-vindo!
Spanish civil war frontlines being minesweeper is quite accurate
it's historical
Nice video and I love your content isorrowproductions
Someone make a mod for HoI with a dozen different Frances and call it "Bismarcks Nightmare"
I can't even imagine a world with two Frances - and that happened several times in history. Three of them? I'm shivering of dread only writing about it...
I think there were actually four at the end there.
The only thing I hate about this game is % land taken or even % victory point taken doesn't account for anything. How does losing troops add more then taking Berlin I will never know.
me who was playing democratic portugal 3 minutes ago:
i feel personally attacked
Just thought to myself: is there a Worldwar 4 Mod?
Or: what If every tile was a france
Isorrowproductions: make portugal video
Me:SIUUUUUUU
Challenge. Turn on ironman mode, turn of historical, then play as a ANY Chinese country (besides china because that's to easy) and survive till' 1955.
Meanwhile me who plays Portugal in mp all the time
As an estonian I can say it doesn't feel like South America here
Challenge mode: what nation can be partitioned into the MOST independent nations. Bonus points if the independent states all have the same name.
probably russia or china. russia can be partitioned into like thirty releasable states and you can get four russias on top of that from the original USSR, a civil war tag, and two collaboration government tags (you can toss in even more collab tags on top of that by collabing all the releasable states too). you can release all the warlords in china and also a few others like the sichuan and cc clique, plus you can get collabs on all the warlord and both normal chinas
It's ironic, as I'm doing a CK2 playthrough right now and currently there are two Frances: titular Crusader France held by me, and the Kingdom of France held by some random Pagan.
Bro The most repeated part of the video is the end of the commercial about the channel's jerseys... This means that almost everyone just passed the commercial on instead of listening to the poor man
Also cus its the end of the surfshark sponser timestamp
Humberto Delgado was actually fucking sick mate. I rate him.
It's so nice finally seeing ISP play a historical path!
You should take over the world as Anarchist Spain.
as a Portuguese i approve this video
But I thought you were Georgian, Stalin
a maneira que ele disse Álvaro cunhal foi o melhor momento lol
Oh so that's why they went communist
@@Impera._ bro switched
@@Impera._ no hes jewish
Do democratic Bulgaria next ISP. I've never seen anyone play it
Portugal historically goes estado nova snd supports the nationalist, staying neutral ish , but also offering too build naval bases on the azores too the USA and brits.
4:30 My local city park has a tree planted in his name lmao
13:10 the last time Paraguay tried to get to the sea they lost 80% of their population.I guess they are still a bit traumatized…
I really think the Portugal focus tree is very underrated. I've had a lot of fun playing it in many diferent ways including doing a world conquest as monarchist path. By far the hardest challenge is doing the fascist path (non axis) because you have negative trade relations with everyone and cant join any factions.
All this to say: PORTUGAL CARALHO 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹
Portugal: goes communist
France: literally creates 4 separated governments
Fun fact, Humberto Delgado (a general in the Portuguese military) was assassinated in 1956, which is a fact, but not fun.
Was disappointed the country in question was not Lichtenstein
Am i the only one that would prefer pardadox fixes stupid focuses before making entirely new ones
Awesome video once again!
You have seen 45 seconds of it -w-
@@CasperVanderlyle No no no, he just had 22.48888889X speed
Nothing makes me happier then watching a man playing green country on map
My last play through as the USA there was 3 Japan's by the end of it.
Kaiserredux A-Z would be sick
Well I guess one can say, this one was FOUR FRANCE!
Thanks for playing as Portugal, from your portuguese subscriber!
Estonia is the Brazil of Europe, didn't you know? Those two countries have SO MUCH in common!
I did this path literally yesterday and then I got bored and played kaiserreich.
Touching tips with Czechoslovakia. Nice
I see your Two Sicilies and raise you Four Frances.
Lore of The Most Powerful Nation Nobody Plays momentum 100
The focus there titled "Latin America" near the bottom, you can see it at 2:36. It disturbs me because it looks like... well...
That civil war is rough if the RNG gods don't like to give you good units/generals or Republican Spain does poorly.
THE ARE FOUR OF THEM
THE ARE ARE FOUR FRANCES!