Top 10 WORST Operators In Arknights
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- I am so going to get beat up for putting Carnelian on here but you only hate me because I tell you the truth
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0:00 Intro
1:46 Number 10
4:44 Number 9
5:32 Number 8
7:32 Number 7
8:37 Number 6
10:08 Number 5
12:04 Number 4
13:30 Number 3
15:38 Number 2
17:23 Honorable Mentions
18:32 The Worst Operator In Arknights
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I should specify the Honorable mentions aren't better than 10th place. They are somewhere around 5th, I just did not have enough to say about them to make an entire list spot.
I am SO getting my ass beat for putting Carnelian on here. But you only hate me because I tell you the truth.
I also forgot to credit someone for a video, it's Aussiroth. Check them out.
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“But SUPAH, I use them all the time just fine!”, or, “I only use the bad operators, therefore they’re good”.
It doesn’t work like that. It’s more a merit of you the player, managing to get these horrible operators to function. Not of the operators.
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“But SUPAH, I don’t have the better alternatives!, or, “I don’t have the good operators, therefore the bad ones are good”.
Yeah, no sh - t sherlock. This is a gacha game, each individual account will look different. If your account is only composed of operators you found looking through the trash, they’re obviously gonna be useful. You don’t have anything else. Also the support system exists. Any form of ranking operators with each other assumes you have an optimal account, otherwise "Bigger picture" operator reviews would be impossible if you had to account for the fact each individual account differs from one another.
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“But SUPAH, what about this playstyle that uses them!”, or, “They have a niche where they’re decent, so they’re good”.
Again, doesn’t work like that. This list is assuming you’re a normal player. And very very often the niches for bad operators just are not relevant enough, like various Nicheknights. That’s cool if you’re the best in the “Invis removal for players who do not use male operators” niche, but that’s not a big enough niche to be even worth considering. "But Nightmare is a good healer in Casterknights!", cool! But it's not worth mentioning for all the 5 people that play casterknights.
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“But SUPAH, just play them like this! Or don’t use the bad skills!”, or, “Bad operators are good if you ignore the bad parts”.
Again, no. Just because you personally ignore Quartz’s Skill 2, that abomination, doesn’t make the skill magically not exist anymore. The bad parts are still parts of the operator even if you ignore them.
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BONUS COPIUM ARGUMENT:
"But SUPAH, just use these other operators that cover their weaknesses!", or, "Bad operators are good if helped by good operators".
Squad slot economy is very important when it comes to meta discussions. You have 12 slots, why should you use 3 slots to fit in a bad unit and like 2 other ops to help them out, when you could use 1 slot for a good unit instead? This is also why operators like Ling are extremely good. Ling is essentially an entire squad fit in 1 squad slot, allowing you 11 others for whatever you want.
Also, if the operator needs to be helped out by others, then chances are they aren't very good in the majority of scenarios.
nonono you're right (for once) Carnelian needs help lol
Should have been 12 operators so we can have a full team for niche knights.
people tend to forget that carnelian is a SIX star and so that level of performance is simply unacceptable
Bro predicted commenters before they even jumping in😂
@@midend
I just use buffer on her and full block strat AKA aoe guard+heal defender strat
I blocking 10+ enemy in her range and unleash full nuke power
Being number 1 at something is hard these days. As a Frostleaf lover, her being placed in Number 1 is a win for me.
CAMPEAO DU MUNDO
Are you that one guy in my friend list with a Frostleaf support unit? you prankster you
i respect you
Let's just hope if her lord guard getting module with good module skill like def ignore or sp recovery.
she was my 1st E2 max lvl M6 operator and i will never regret it
As someone who uses Carnelian extensively, I can confirm that using her without Aak is like watching a video while blind and deaf
The true Carnelian users will realize her module fix nothing, even her archetype is only exist to fight patriot.
Because why would you use ranged unit do tank hits when you can just use melee unit like Hoshi that can reflect damage or even Mlynar.
@@kurokaijo5909 the Archetype existed to let Lin exist
Lin even had the nerve to make Aak her personal SP battery, since those 15 shots can be translated into 30sp in HALF A SECOND, greatly increasing her Avarage DPS, and the more sp you give to Aak through Saria, Ptilopsis or his own soon-to-come module, Lin's SP technically increases as well
I like Carnelian a lot, and her pairing with Aak is extremely fun, but I have to admit that Aak's pairing with Lin seems 100 times better and more flexible
Hey just wanted to ask since I don't have her, why people shit in Carnelian and not Beeswax? Is it simply because a stronger kit is expected for a 6* and carnelians isn't up to the task?
I know Lin is strong so I won't blame the archetype, but im kinda curious to know why, just numbers perhaps?
@@CrRaZzyX tbh idk. I haven’t used beeswax that much, but I guess beeswax being able to hold an enemy with her pillar is still better than carnelian’s skill 2 bind? It’s also true that being 6 stars leads to higher expectations
@@CrRaZzyX my guesses
1) no one uses her (well, I do)
2) because her S2 actually works as a CC w/ low cost, good uptime, and ok burst dps. The enemies get stunned by pillar and gets blocked by it afterwards (3 block btw), which synergizes with her AOE attack (prob w/ AOE caster is that normally their DPS is shite because not enough enemies are nearby. Beeswax can block 3 w/ pillar + 3 from defender)
3) unlike Carn, she doesn't worry about chip damage because she regens like crazy on top of increased DEF and RES, so she's self sustaining. + enemies would prioritize pillar when skill is active. so she's a self-sustaining big red target
I saw that Quartz was at Number 2 and wondered for a bit who Number 1 was til I was hit by the fact that Frostleaf exists 💀
May as well toss Frostleaf into the same grave as Frostnova, cuz it’s been 3 years & neither seem to be coming back from being dead.
Alter it's the last hope :(
This makes me wary of anything that comes out with Frost on the name
You can make Frostleaf watch battle records so she can simulate having a life outside of her base slave duties. That's a win.
@@planetary-rendez-vous at least Conviction makes interesting video-games in her free time. Frost leaf....ok.
wait what? Frostleaf died? must have missed it or forgot lol
Honestly, nightmare wouldn't be as bad as she is if her s2 isn't activated automatically. You can combo her with shifters with that skill but the fact it's activated automatically just makes using her a pain.
She's actually a really good healer, I don't think she just in the bottom ten personally
I Wanted to build her because i wanted the highest amount of True Damage ops i could.
But, automatically? I am maxing Amiya instead.
If I remember correctly, her S2 doesn't synergize with pushers
@@devotedhoshiyomi it only doesn't combo with Weedy S3, not the entirety of pushers
@@gukkithepeanut1812 Oh, that was it. Thanks for clarifying.
10 seconds in and I can't believe I laugh at a white horse falling off a building after getting shot by a donkey in gmod. Good job, Supah..
You are Eha's alt arent ya?
I'm pretty surprised you laughed as well...
The sense of satisfaction i felt when my favorite operator was not in this list in undescribable
Who is your favourite btw?
@@Paradox069the best 5* welfare tequila 😼
Goddamnit! I just E2 max level and potted every single operator mentioned in this list 5 minutes ago!
Happens all the time
I'm surprised that Grani isn't mentioned here. Even though I love her design (I have her at M3, module too), her defensive kit doesn't really work as a DP-on-kill vanguard. And her module does absolutely nothing that help her. Even with Bagpipe, her S2 cost too much SP to be used as a heli-drop/reactive operator.
I would rank Carnelian higher now that Lin exists, too.
Literally forgot about Grani, you're right
should've been in the honorable mentions
Yeah, Lin is like how they should've designed this caster archetype by abusing their thickness, but no, RANGED operator with insane TANKINESS that does not attack enemies outside of the skill is great idea, let's give this new 6* a fucking million seconds downtime with nothing to compliment her defensive stats w/o skill active
Yeah. Carnelian issue is her skill cycle
And her module do nothing. people gonna say "but she fragile without shield, module fix that" bro, she can't even survive with her shield BECAUSE SHE NEED ACTIVATE HER SKILL TO HEAL, just use her as true aoe caster instead but then again it's bad because long skill uptime.
If you need ranged meat shield (which is i don't know why you need it, unless you fight patriot) just use her sister because she can self regen and block enemies.
Reed out here at the bottom of the ocean lmao
@@kurokaijo5909at least Carnelian can get a second module.
Seeing Corroserum in honorable mentions gave me flashbacks of being high on copium thinking he is going to be a good unit cause "Ifrit is good and hes a mini Ifrit". So i build him after he came out and tried to use him as much as possible and experiment around because "surely people are just overexagerating how bad he is".
THIS DUDE IS AS BAD AS EVERYONE SAYS. Even in an ideal situation where you have a lane perfect for him and then also wanna silence enemies (sultifera navis had a bunch of stages where in theory he would have been great) he cant perform at all. He doesnt even work in his own niche. Its a pain in the ass to get his S2 useable due to costing 40sp at M3 for a shitty silence any other unit with silence would have done better, faster and more efficent.
His S1 is an even more shitty attack up that also stuns himself cause fuck Corroserum. The stun is supposed to make him trigger his Talent for more Sp when not attacking but the Talent is like a piss drop of Sp and does nothing.
Dont do copium cause it makes you build units like Corroserum.
I hoped so much that Lunacub is not as bad as ppl claim her to be. Turns out, not having ATK is not something camo could solve
To this day I despise Corroserum, not because he’s bad (but he is bad), but because Nearl the Radiant Knight is currently the only limited operator I don’t own, and I’ve decided to blame Corroserum for it. Every time I see him in my backlog I get a little bit mad.
@@zero2hero402 LMAO
I've found a single stage he was useful at, and now that I have better operators I don't think I'd use him again at that very stage
@@tegrasgt lunaclub to me is great, for placing in spots where u can't heal her and need certain units dead.
Yato is actually not bad. She is the most popular draft for vanguard in IS3. Her redeployment time talent applies additively with collectibles in IS3, where you can get a Yato with a redeployment time of 3 seconds that can keep blocking any enemy
I just use her as a kamikaze bomb with the relic that stuns enemies around on death. She dies really fast so it's like having a cheap stun grenade
Nightmare also has automatic trigger on her 2nd skill lol
That's really suck, although I've seen some doc use her true damage to kill sleeping flowers in CC9. She is capable to kill enemies who run damn fast like dogs, but to time her skill is just like to time the bar of cannon in CC10 (I fail to time it for over 1x times of attempt)
This list shows that Windflit is not one of the worst operators ever in the game ❤️
Srsly, even with his limited support capabilities, he's still a good DPSer, especially in IS stages when you get the Wrath of the Siracusans/Spinach can (or both). Paired up with his S1 (Also Max level M6) he's a damn monster
I think he just forgot ☠️ , we r in a world where carne is worse than windflit in term of value
I had Windlift built properly in Alt and i can say he's pretty good if you know what you're doing
@@rayhanqhadafi9688 ok never used him before, can you tell me what does he do is useful that's worth 1 slot and what operators you often buff him with
@@dangng7079 Unlike Dylano, mine was just M3 for his S2
However upon trying to test him against mobs at IS#3 higher difficulty he was quite decent in my case and does his job properly as a lane holder
His S2 is the one i used to buff casters with Niche or maybe passable gimmick like Leonhardt, Haze and Click buff those 3 pretty damn well
Tbh I find even with his "self buffing laneholder" style he isn't good at all. I completely maxed him. His s1 is tragic since after you use your devices, he's got no devices. So he can't buff anyone, not even himself. The damage of his s1 is okay, fun in IS with crit relics, but thats it.
And his s2 is okay, but still heavily shafted by nature since his device duration sucks, he doesn't cycle them fast enough, and of course, the class restriction.
He's literally just a pioneer vanguard with no dp regeneration and decent single target damage. A 2 block mediocre dreadnought. I try so hard to find a place for him, but I can't. He's supposed to have 1 unique thing to him, but he's completely devoid of a niche with Stainless' existence. Heck, even Roberta has a niche with her immortal single hit shields, which get even better with her module :(
I say this with love since I I'm a huge simp for him, but there's no hope left with how bad his module was.
One interesting note about Spuria, when used with Snipers with slow-enough attack intervals (mainly besiegers and deadeye), the stun could be seen as a buff as it "forces" the stunned sniper's attack cooldown to reset after the stun ends. For Besiegers, it's about the same as their attack interval with the +40 ASPD, and for Deadeyes, it's actually shorter than their attack interval with +40 ASPD, meaning that getting the self-stun proc from Spuria makes their attack interval faster than it would have been with the +40 ASPD.
u can also add in therapist to further reduce the stun time. tho this strat is probably never gonna be effective
it would only work with Ceylon, otherwise the sniper would have to also be receiving constant damage because no other therapist can grant status resistance without healing
@@kotyara85 yea that's a good point. You can probably set something up with Warfarin but at that point you might as well use an entire buff army
@@kotyara85 or nian
@kotyara85 Wrong, actually. With Besiegers, Deadeye, and Spreadshooters, the stun is pretty much nothing due to the long atk interval crossing it out. In fact, with Spuria these snipers are better than with Warf.
Frostleaf needs an alter for real
Imagine Guard or Specialist in todays day and age that can apply Cold effect
That would be amazing she would bring so much to the table
Because clearly she was made with cold in mind before they had an idea for cold mechanic to operators
and hell they didnt touch cold mechanic every since they added it to the game
What the hell!
They did tho, but her name changed to Qiubai 💀
You already know why, it's cause a mechanic like that is gonna be used by the community to break so many levels xD
She just needs a module, her kit isn't that bad, there are just a few tweaks that are needed. For example, make part of her attacks art damage, would fix her low dps, or make her actually use the frost mechanic to make her slow/root as it was intended (plus it would increase her synergy with other frost operators).
@@zomfgroflmao1337 Some of the newer Modules out on CN indeed retrofit a chance to inflict Frost to the Op's attacks, IIRC Pramanix's is one example, so that's certainly not without precedent. But she's one of those unfortunate Ops whose hypothetical module would need to work minor miracles to fix her kit in general.
@@zomfgroflmao1337 modules can't fix the frostleaf case
Thank God Earthspirit is in this list.
The first time I used her was during the monthly squad in IS2 with Carnelian and Nearl and man, she makes Carnelian look useful compared to her trashy kit.
Yeah that's
That's why she's above Carnelian yeah
Of course carnelian is useful, the video is overexaggerated on many, many parts.
@@SUPAH_SUPAH_SUPAH I'd put her higher out of spite just because that specific monthly squad was hard for me back then XD. Having two barely usable starting units was a pain.
@@grimke4036 tbh Supah's explanations were pretty logical imo lol. For me, Carnelian is just pretty underwhelming in a lot of areas to be considered useful.
"To understand how trash Earthspirit is, you must M6 her and use Orchid anyway"
0:12 bro literally pulled a general shephard on platinum 💀
Ok, I’m going to play devils advocate for Carnelian. She has always been a funny unit when it comes to phalanx casters. The simple reason is that the first one we got was already an insane unit, and that was Beeswax. Beeswax’s health regeneration made it so that you could just use her as a ranged tank, and never use her skill. Carnelian has the tankiness, but no health regen until you pop her skill, giving her a bunch of health. The main problem now is that she’s super squishy and can’t tank, while Beeswax summons a replacement tank in her pillar. Of course, she does do a lot of damage and cc now, but if she was tanking before, she’s still tanking now, but without all the defense.
Essentially, Carnelian’s main problem was that she had already been powercrept before she came out, by a lower rarity unit, by her sister. I think that if Carnelian had been a 5*, she would’ve been more highly looked upon, but as a 6*, she feels like she has the same problem that Saileach has, which is that lower cost variants are so strong in comparison to the lower cost. Even if Carnelian was the strongest phalanx caster, the improvement compared to the lower rarities is just not worth.
She is hot though, so in the end, how could she be bad?
How about using Gladiia instead of Beeswax to tank the damage. She can tank, heal and do damage.
I disagree with this notion tbh. Look Beeswax is a better ranged tank, that is true but her tanking capacity is overall INFERIOR to Lin with module, who has her OUTCLASSED in her niche. Carnelian on the other hand doesnt compete with any of this shenaningans she is a ranged tank too that is true BUT her niche is actually BURST DPS, kinda like an Eyja on steroids.
Comparing a unit whose primary function is burst DPS to a unit who specializes in tanking... is like comparing apples to oranges just makes zero senses to me. The whole reason why people DO NOT put Carnelian on ANY "worst" top 10 of anything is because of her massive HP pool and giantic ATK stat. She is just the PERFECT target for Muelsyse to clone period, so she still has purposes unlike Beeswax which is now OUTCLASSED and POWERCREPT by Lin, while Carnelian still does tons of damage and the fact she has tankiness to go along with it too... is just the cherry on top tbh.
@@xkour2927 Gladiia is also a viable. I think however, she falls into the same place of being a 6* vs 5*. The investment for Gladiia is a lot higher than Beeswax. Of course, if that's not a problem, she still has two advantages over Gladiia's tanking. As a caster, she has base 15 res, and her class gives her an extra 20 when not using skill, and her Obelisk is just a straight up chonk with 5k hp, and with a 30 cost skill, it's up time isn't too bad.
Of course, Gladiia makes up for this with AH synergy, and general utility over Beeswax, so they do feel like they each have a place.
@@gaoaibai6243 First, I'm a global player, so I can't say much about Lin or Muelsyse. But the main problem with Carnelian is how she's a good unit, but not a good phalanx caster.
All 3 of the other casters have inbuilt solutions to their tanking issues. Firstly, as said, Beeswax summons a replacement tank, so she doesn't get killed. Mint reduces taunt level, so she no longer is the most likely to get attacked. And Lin, though I haven't used her, has barriers, and ways to gain barriers during her skill, which means she can still tank.
Carnelian has no solution. Once she pops skill, has no way of not getting targeted or way of staying healthy. She does have her talent, but that's just a patch up more than a fix. The reason I compare Beeswax with her however is since she is a phalanx caster, and if she's not acting like a tank, she would've been better with another subclass with her kit. I don't think she's at all bad, I just think that she could've done with something extra, like maybe ramping health on kills or %health life steal just to make her more in line with the other phalanx casters.
Side note though. I haven't seen her with module, and maybe that just fixes all the problems. But as I've said before, 5* vs 6* investment is heavily different. Which is why I also think Lin, even if she is really strong won't completely make Beeswax redundant (plus Beeswax has hp regen vs shields, which has it's slight niche in being self sustain than Lin technically needing a healer)
Just a nitpitck but you don't bring Saileach for the DP-printer duty Myrtle and Elysium handle much more cost-effectively, you bring her for the buff-debuff-CC hijinks she does with that javelin of a banner. The DP generation is just a bonus.
Surprised you didn't include Windflit in the list.
He is one of the most forgotten operators in Arknights, but also granted with ridiculous and confusing kit.
I hope you'll make in-depth review of him later
Windflit kit is not confusing in my opinion, it's simply not worth it + Stainless exist
Which, just like Mountain screwing over fighter subclass, Stainless also screwed the artificer subclass too
@@mrf143 Yeah I agree with Stainless screwed the artificers. But if he didn't, Windflit would still bad and confusing.
I'm just confused of what is his specific role, is it dps or supporting? He sucked at both role.
And also, why his device is limited only to caster and supporter? Caster has been "Eyja class" since year 1, and supporter is situational.
Unless, you are doctor who did casterknights or supporterknights, maybe Windflit could used properly there.
windflit does a cool spin, so he's instantly valid and relevant
@@sadisaac4633 stainless only screwed windflit, Roberta still have some usage for stalling and funs
Windflit's niche just doesn't exists. And I'm not counting IS because I there's way better options for the spinach-type relics
@@gaelx3d674 yes I agree with you
I just mostly thought that *The fact that Stainless support machine is not time gated (except S2)*
The fact that Supah start with 2 min explanation for people who will be offended and finish with insulting them as toddlers is amazing
I am shocked Windflit was not mentioned anywhere
MY BOY IS MOVING ON UP
Windflit isn't really BAD he's just really really boring
@@SUPAH_SUPAH_SUPAH It's mainly that even post-module his buff with 2 devices is weaker than Warfarin IIRC
And pre-module it was just disastrously low
So a lot of people REALLY don't like him or what he stands for
@@cafe_com_canela Windflit is melee supporter guy, but all he does is periodic AoE physical attacks and buffs other supporters
I'm surprised Windflit escaped mentions
Windflit was the 5 star on rate up during Specter alter event. He's a ground supporter that only buffs casters and supporter and for an amount thats way less than just using Warfarin.
AK is a game of niches
If you want to be a good operator, you should have a niche that's good and usable in a variety of stages
These operators want to do a niche, but can't be loyal to it, or be Vigil, who wants to do 4 things but can't multitask
Edit: There's also role competition through out the game, 12(13) operators per stage, 8 max per stage deployed
Or are veeery expensive. Isn't really fun need to "E2 lvl90 m3 masz triste etc etc" to finally can use it
The only good thing about FL is she has a unique recruitment tag combo that guarantees her and you get green and gold certs.
I feel like Quartz would’ve been really cool and probably a great burst damage glass cannon if they’d made her an artillery or beseiger instead of a melee unit.
you know her archetype is crusher soooo what if
Instead of holding her sword why doenst she FUKING THROW IT TO THE SKY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, maybe she can "crush" enemies that way. Sorry the caps but I need a refund on the mats I used on her
Bruh I just Max all Resources for her but I not regret it Cuz She's good and if she buffing defense (Like Skadi Alter)
Two operators in this list, Vigil and Frostleaf, are also shafted by their 6* comrades. In Vigil's case, he got outshined by Muelsyse, who's a way better unit. Frostleaf got screwed over by Qiu Bai, a 6* Lord Guard that also Crowd-controls, but deals good damage, has good cc, on top of not being worse when promoted to E2.
Frostleaf is bad but bruh you seriously compare her to 6* when she is 4* ?
Vigil's problem is being a dps in a utility subclass. His most useful skill is S1 which allows him to lane hold and produce dp passively. If only S1 is doubled down as a niche instead of making him a dps tryhard.
Vigil is basically outshined by his _lower-rarity_ comrades already. :/
Don't even need Memelsyse. Blacknig completely blows Vigil out of the water
@@broadbandislifebeing 7 months late compared to CN server, one could safely assume that vigil is literally dead on arrival
tbh would most 3-star and lower ops even belong in a "worst operator" teirlist? sure their overall power is low but their role is to be earlygame cheap units which they fufill well for the most part. guess you might fit adnachiel or the 1*s in there or something.
either way rangers alter when hypergyph i want to use best grampa outside of savraknights
Catapult would
I just found you through your Eunectes video yesterday, and I'm already in love.
As much as I think the honorable mentions are worse than her, I can understand where you're coming from with Carnelian. Her damage is not reliable because she's entirely reliant on timing and if she doesn't get enough SP in time, she's a sitting duck. I usually use her when I need big damage in a big area but others have always outclassed her (eyja).
But I think Jackie is worse than Beehunter because at least Beehunter always attacks and gets faster with S2 as opposed to Jackie becoming even more dodge reliant with her S2
Mad respect for creating this vid though, it takes guts to pronounce someone as the 10th worst operator when so many people will fight you on these things
The honorable mentions ARE worse than her. Refer to pinned comment
And yeah Jackie and Beehunter are very interchangeable
@@SUPAH_SUPAH_SUPAH OK, I got blinded by Carnelian (what's the term for slander that's based in reality?). I would be interested in how you would rank the top operators after Gummy since being at the top is way more subjective than these clowns with poorly designed skills, talents, and E2s
they really need to fcking rework her s3 to have the multipliers be at max from the start after charged skill. atleast that would made the damage and usability be better
My boy Corroserum demolishes those attack speed reducing drones, and he carried me through some story stages like when the spiders first show up, or mephisto's in chapter 5 by silencing the crusher stuns, which allows my block-heavy roster to function. Makes me sad that he's only borderline functional, even though there's some awesome creative uses for him.
eh Kjera isnt that bad, just way too expensive to raise. her dps is slightly higher than click on equal lvls, if she was a 4* she'd be fine. i think the problem with casters in general is that gg and eyja are just so much above everyone else that you either go for the big guns or build cheap & reliable, no point in 5* or even other 6* somewhat * cough*ceobe*cough*. kinda the problem with the entire 5* rarity but so much worse in casters imo cause other classes have useful 5* that you might want to build even if you have the 6*
I mean, I play 5*s only and Kjera is the best caster out of that bunch, specially since Amiya would much rather be a guard, and then who's left to compete for the role? Absinthe, Minimalist, Rockrock and Qanipalaat. Kjera does absolutely can't compete with the 6*s but man, she's the best in her rarity. She's also great on IS whenever you can get some speed buffs.
@@AlbRomano i could argue absinthe s1 is better than kjera, but not by much. wouldn't touch absinthe's s2 though, it not being able to hit full hp units is annoying
@@cranberrysauce61 Absinthe s1 is good, but in many cases I have found myself needing that damage ASAP, and that skill too long to proc. On longer maps, or annihilation she is better, but if there is a boss or elite I need to deal with, Kjera is still my first choice.
Kjera skill 2 attacks do like 160 less DMG than GG s3 attacks. If Kjera finds that freeze they do more than ggs3.
Kjera has a lower atk stat than GG, but a 19% atk boost from talent, and they both get 60 more from trust, which gives her more actual atk than GG. (GG 391, Kj 421 per hit, so GG 782 Kj 842 every attack)
Then GG takes 80% up on s3, and Kjera takes 55% up and it gets close again with GG having slightly more. (GG 2111, Kj 1957)
Then freeze has that 15% arts dmg up deal which gives Kjera more again. Unfortunately reliable freeze requires either another freezer or an aspd buffer. (Kj 2250)
Now for why she's not a 6 star: GG s3 gets 50% uptime Kj s2 gets 33% uptime.
GG gets global range and stun and 18% res shred so she's simply better, but in the game of big number go wow they're very close. Chill inflicts aspd down on enemies so it's just kind of okay.
do you feel good, calling people trash and worthless? are you a sadist, laughing in their sadness?
people who are trying to survive? who are just trying their best? who simply want to even die for you?
releasing you from the sarcophagus was a mistake. (im absolutely not fuming over carnelian btw)..
As a high ranking member of the church of skadi, I almost feel attacked when you mentioned skadi as the worst operator in the game. I was close to slandering gummy and making her work in the mines
You should have explained Gummy's greatness in full detail.
there is 5 hours of footage I cut out where I do just that
@@SUPAH_SUPAH_SUPAHOK SUPAH, BUT WHERE'S WINDFLIT😂
I always assumed the argument for "Use them with other operators", like Skadi in Abyssal Hunters was good since it's a team/strategy game and stuff, until compared to a baby craddled in someone's arms, Gladiia takes her arms off and Skadi comes crashing down head first into concrete
Yes. And part of that team/strategy is being able to use squad slots efficiently
So there are few things I'd like to point out
1. As Earthspirit is "situational" etc. I don't think she should be compared to operators like Suzu or Saria (but i do agree with the point she is weak, but usually 4 stars are weaker than 6 stars anyways)
2. I think Vigil "niche" if we can call it like that is his hybrid damage on s3 which is still... badly executed but that's my opinion on his situation. At least his art is good...
3. With Kjera on s2 I never really stuggled with applying Freeze (ofc Gnosis does that way better since it's not rng based) but on s1... (DAMN YOU ATTACK UP GAMMA). And after long time using her I wouldn't say she doesnt have damage as well but that's my personal experience, but imo... there are operators weaker than her that could be in honorable mentions
I'm surprised that Kirara , Tomimi (yes she's cute but being melee unit when using skill is bit of... why), Nine coloured deer were not mentioned here
For kirara, tomimi and nine color dear. I think people won't even bother to build them anyways. Since we already have a better version operator in our account. Not to mention their class & what they really offer is really niche. So, yeah. There you have it.
@@umbracloud2378 you would be surprised then coz i see in ak community lots of people building at least Tomimi. Dunno bout NCD and Kirara
@@AletesCabot I bet the reason people building her because she offer to do both range and melee attack animation.
I mean look at her kits. She tried to be a good DPS by offering nothing.
That talent range is miserable. She need another ops (to block) + a good tile to get her maximum damage output. Also, if you tried beat a normal stage with her. Perhaps all you can do just hit 3x-6x at best while her skill 2 active (as the enemy run down with certain interval).
Another thing, if I need an AOE operator that can deal good amount of dmg. A simple gitano or leonhardt is easily outclass her. That's a 4★ & 5★ common operator on every account.
In conclusion, I understand Tomimi is a niche operator. However, people just don't bother to build her because her kit is too niche to be useful. Also, we can easily exchange her with somebody else that do the job better than her.
@@umbracloud2378 i do know her kit, not even my playstyle and not even defending tomimi ^-^
@@AletesCabot yeah.. I'm just telling you, it's surprising that people still build her despite her doing nothing :( . .
BTW, good luck on your next pull yato banner.
I almost always take Gummy in my IS runs when I get my first defender voucher. Cheap hope cost, holds lanes just fine, heals so you don't have to waste precious deployment slots on a medic you might not even have, etc. Although it helps that the other defenders don't really make much more difference anyways unlike other classes who have a lot of must-haves competing for your attention.
"I'm gonna toss Platinum off of a building"
**Proceeds to execute her with a .357 magnum.**
You missed the part when Beeswax is actually better at the niche of her class than her higher rarity sister, because she actually heals while she does nothing, which means she actually can tank better in a lot of situations.
The only one I disagree with is Nightmare. While her skills are way too expensive or controllable, her healing per second is actually bonkers and can make some heavy tank strategies possible (she heals not just two targets but also has more attacks than medics and a faster atk interval) and her second skill, while timing it can be problematic, can be used with shifters quite well. (Croissant is a very nice combo with her as she can stack 3 enemies while waiting for Nightmare and shift even more once the skill goes off, making her quite lenient for Nightmare S2 usage.)
Also, I want to defend her art a bit, as she is arguably more a victim of early art direction than actually 'bad' art, as a lot of early operators have incredibly subdued art compared to later operators (just look a Liskarm, Jessica etc). I'm very sure that she would look amazing if the artist had the freedom the newer operators get in terms of art direction (given by their other artworks in other games), but sadly the artist didn't work with Hypergryph for a long time, so I doubt there will be updated art for her ever.
See the point in most of the video while the Kjera mention was unexpected.
She do on average 6% more damage than Click (that is probably not an achivement but still it's already not the Click without damage how was stated in the video) and her control while is more RNG based is still on average the same amount of time of stalling the enemy if you do the calculation.
Yeah, she is still your average caster with decent damage and okay-ish cc. She is slightly better than Click but much more expensive so it's not worth the investment if you going for efficiency.
But honorable mention in the Top 10 Worst Operators? Nah, not even close, that's just objectively wrong even if we don't consider Gnosis as the option.
Also she still has some potential to be MUCH better with just Gnosis on the field while Click is just cheaper and that's it.
I’m not going to lie- I only built Jackie because I thought brawlers were super cool, and kept her around because she thinks of the doctor like a second father figure and found that sweet. Bad operator, bad archetype, but she’s my daughter now. I’ll bring her to stages that are easy or just to see how it goes nowadays
every since gummy stuned the emperors blade 3 times in a row, I have been converted. I've always had her at e1 50 but she gets e2 30 at least for me after she compeltly stalled emperors blade like a champ
Gummy is unironically the best option in the game to stall the Emperor's Blade. Nearl and Saria deal too much damage and they trigger his mist attack
True, but I've seen a more fun stalling unit, the nanomachine metal crab (EB: why wont u die?)
crazy how almot your entire honorable mentions list is on my current trust team
SUPAH gave Platinum her skin this time before shooting her. He's starting to warm up to her.
Supah delivers another quality content and it makes me "chills." Frostleaf was my first e2 4* op and that says a lot (since she has a high quality e2 art for a 4*).
The video just started and you're already killing Platinum ☠️☠️☠️
I think its funny that if you give Matoimaru her S2 she is just a better Quartz for all intents and purposes.
Also Hung and Corroserum are always my "Why do you hate me Arknights?" pulls. I already have Nearl and Ifrit, but Corroserums silence would be situationally useful... If not for the fact I have Lappland.
I love how this feels like a early 2009 yt vid
Good to know only mistake i made is e2 vigil and chestnut
As someone who has M6 Nightmare, she actually is pretty good on s1 at m3. If you charge it up, she can keep herself and someone else alive against enemies like the drone that drops bombs. Good healing, still does….. damage, and has the dodge
there are some operators that i think that are genuinely good at specific strats like "casterknights", where carnelian and nightmare are good, or defenderknights where hung is actually good too, but other than that, its difficult to justify their usage outside ultra specific circumstances like class bans in challenges or CCs
Spuria's stun reset attack cool down, so if you buff someone like fartooth it is a gain, as fartooth have a longer attack speed than 2s.
I'm new within the past few months to this game. I can't tell you how many times I've been excited to get a new character and then go to read online about how much they suck or at best they are niche.
You're so funny, love your vids.
But I remember Nightmare because she has 2 personalities and the 1st skill is healing and 2nd is dps, which is fun and interesting XD
(definitely not because of her voicelines)
Only thing I can think of using Quartz for is tucking her next to a lane so she attacks the enemies blocked by another operator. If she doesn't block, she doesn't take damage (until she does because crossbowmen exist)
15:30 "She is the first operator debuffer in the game", Umm... I think you forgot about Conviction. Granted its a 50% chance to debuff but it still exist.
Yeah but Conviction is _literally_ an April Fools' joke.
I laughed at the intro, thanks.
Nightmare was one of my first E2s because I was promised a funny ancient meme with her S2 + FEater in the olden days. Please give S2 charges and make it manual trigger thanks hg
Worst part of her S2 is the auto trigger
if it were manual trigger then it would be pretty good
I E2'd her because I remembered trying to do a CC with medic ban so I thought she would be pretty useful if that ever came up again (it didn't)
Poor FrostLeaf I am hoping her Module will help her. Since Pramanix got cold on her attacks from the module, Frostleaf could potential get cold on her attacks. That cold slow would stack with her % slow and S2 would freeze enemies repeatedly solidifying her ground tile Crowd Control niche. l
Finally because of her Trust (+defense- really sucks but...) she is the only 4 star non defender that can tank an Aak to the face.
Frostleaf was my favorite 4 star when starting out cause of how she was in the story and her backstory.
Surprised to not see Flamebringer anywhere on this list or on the honorable mentions.
Flamebringer (1 block landholder kit ), Tomimi (melee range Caster), Sideroca/Grrani( overly defensive kit fir her branch ), Ceylon ( Barely can to what her ranch supposed to do ), Kirara ( Ambusher wo can't CC) and the other underwhelming 4/5*-s
to be honest: i like frostleaf and use her quite often in my 3-melee operator strat
with her e2, I technical could add a 4th melee operator to it
or get more block , if straws get thought (I know, that will barely happen...)
As someone who adore and use Hung in every stage, Idk. I find no problem to deploy him. I have a 6★ Healing Defender dragon but rarely user her.
I uh.. just got used to deploy Hung instead of Saria
No funny when I forgot Saria's name then remember it. I really have memory problems.
One detail you missing about carnelian is that she got an Sp recovery increase when her layer of skill got charged
The tone Supah had when talking about Frostleaf... pure agony
I've said this on a different video, but Quartz is great actually. Her utter lack of any defensive stats is so funny that it brightens your mood and makes you play better
In defence of Nightmare she at least was useful on CC 9 since she was actually good at dealing with the Nourished Reapers.
Being a new player and having your highest level units that you poured the most amount of respurces into be top 4 and top 1 hurts
Great video-e!
Quartz gets worse every time you bring her up.
I presume that a healer that buffs ops when they are at low HP and overheals them too should make her functional, but as I think you said before, that means you/we have to build a team around her as if left alone she is a slot wasted
It really says something when Tsukinogi is used as just a invisibility removal bot if you don’t have silverash.
I built Frostleaf and Earthspirit really early into my account, and I remember being really annoyed about people saying they were bad. I was really big in the mindset of “No bad Operators, only bad Doctors.” But…yeah, they’re kind of terrible. Arguably, Earthspirit at least has a few niche use cases, but that delves into copium arguments; Frostleaf kinda just sucks, though. She really would have benefitted from being released after the introduction of Cold and Freeze as statuses we can use - maybe she would have been built differently with those as available options.
I don’t regret building either of them, though. They got me through the early game, and Frostleaf’s E2 art alone made her worth it, in my mind. I actually built Quartz, too - she’s absolutely awful, but I love her E2 art and her voicelines, so I call it worthwhile. Though, I end up building every 4-star whenever they get a Paradox Simulation, so it probably would have happened eventually anyway.
"If you put down a caster, why do you want it to heal"
Reed alter: exists
Also some of my thoughts and corrections: 1. You forgot about Carnelian's 2nd talent, so her overcharge timer is not x2, but more like x1.4, but only for 2nd part of the skill. That doesnt make her much better ofc, but her 2nd module may improve that in the future... :copium: They really did her dirty with the 1st one. 2. Spuria can actually buff some snipers with slow atk speed like Rosa (only s2, with s3 her stun just ends it, heh), so saying she only debuffs them is wrong. :) Again, that doesn't make less bad, but that's mostly bc of her trait. 3. Quartz has one redeeming quality - one of the best trading post skills, and it only requires E1.
she still need her multiplier to ne at max from the start to be competitive to other burst arts damage unit
thank you supah. this was the informative video of all time.
Wow! An actual quality video you dont find from regular arknights RUclipsrs!
I love your videos supah! Thanks for all the jokes and information.
This list is very interesting.
I couldn't watch the video instantly, but when I saw the thumbnail and title a few days ago I already started thinking who I would put on this list.
My first thought was that 3* and below are blacklisted, because it would be low hanging fruit. Though some of the robots actually have a more viable niche than some operators on this list.
The first operators that came to mind were Jackie, Scavenger, Beehunter, Earth spirit, Quartz, Chestnut, Frostleaf and of course Tsukinogi.
I also thought about Conviction, which has some potential but honestly it is super RNG and you probably need a buff army which is kinda copium.
In theory Vigil has insane potential (peak ST DPS is mixed 4,8k), and honestly he won't be near the top 10 worst operators in practice just like Carnelian, but I still thought about putting Vigil on the list purely because his kit feels clunky. Getting this man to have peak ST DPS is the main challenge of using him. Still love my boy, but god this man needs a good module to boost the wolves.
Speaking of Carnelian, I still don't think it is deserved to put her on this list, but I agree with all your points on her and found it to be a very interesting pick for #10.
Spuria... Actually I kinda liked Spuria, way worse buff than Aak, only for snipers. Many people already hate her for this. I loved it though, because her damn skill doesn't murder my operators which is the exact thing that turned Aak, the best dps buff of the game in 99% of situations, to one of my least favourite operators.
The problem? I thought the selfstun only applied to herself, after watching this video I hate her more than Aak, at least that furry bastard has something going for him.
Another obvious choice would be ninecoloured deer, I was also thinking about Sesa or Executor, but I don't use them enough to decide which one is worse.
So my list would (in no order) be:
- Jackie
- Beehunter
- Frostleaf
- Chestnut
- Tsukinogi
- Ninecoloured deer
- Scavenger
- Earth spirit
- Quartz
I would probably put Vigil in the (dis)honourable mentions, despite me being the only person defending him since his release on CN. Oof.
Other dishonourable mentions would be Executor and Sesa.
18:45
I KNEW he is going to bring out my beloved Skadi to joke about the top 1
And you already know Frostleaf going to be on this list no matter what
I can only imagine how much pain the abyssal modules cause supah.
Tbh I think you could’ve made a longer list, or just place other characters instead of Carnelian, Nightmare or Vigil. For example, Windflit, Minimalist, Franka, Sesa, Heidi…
But for the ranking itself I agree and I think some of the units still need upper buffing for their talents etc. just like Passenger when he first came out
I mean, Earthspirit is decent at what she's supposed to do, she does act like a weaker angelina, but can sometimes do a better job at slowing in some situations (with module)
Kirara should've been in the honorable mentions, I feel... She obliterates all the purpose of her archetype (me when kit is axed towards survivability but your trait gives you reduced taunt)
I would rather use any of the melee operators in this list than any of the ranged units. At least they can block.
Carnelian is genuinely useful in SSS funnily enough. A caster stack for building up Eyja/Passenger who also can stall or area clear on the way out, alternatively if you fuck up a GG Sniper stack Carnelian can basically recycle that spot since she scales well with attack speed too but also needs SP charge stacks. The bind is slightly useful too compared to taking Mint or Beeswax instead since SSS mobs just kill the Obelisk or are just too heavy to get shiftcucked.
Though even in SSS she just ends up being a slightly cheaper Passenger most of the time.
Me giggling for n+1 times wherever Supah mention “shoot”, “white horse” and “FUCKING 2DP”
Kjera?! Had to do a double take at that one. I don't think anyone in the drone caster archetype should be anywhere near the bottom 10; their DPS is too solid, and the drone pursuing a target outside of their range-thing most of them get is too useful/unique. Click punching above her rarity is not enough of a reason.
I was expecting a Skyfire: uniquely bad in a weak archetype, and her best DPS skill is Attack Up Gamma. Perfect fit!
regarding kjera, her cc are not reliable as other drone caster (click) and most of the time u need other ops with freeze skill to proc her cc and if u dont have gnosis or aurora (like me...) well better just bring click for cc or minimalist for dps
@@prd6617minimalist is hella boring tbh haha
Kjera is also the highest auto-attack of all drone casters because she has that 19% dmg up from her talent. (Yes, higher than GG auto attacks, actually it's on the high end of casters in general). The statement that click does more is untrue and based on reading their base stats without accounting for the talent boost Kjera has. Her S2 does just over 1800 dmg (compare: ggs3 1900ish dmg)
If you give her *any* attack speed buff she will get two hits in her chill time giving a fairly reliable 71% freeze chance on chilled enemies, which gives her an additional 10% dmg on top of her skill dmg.
Kjera's main issue is her S2 has 33% uptime compared to 50% of ggs3 and that chill is a shitty utility compared to the slow, stun, and global range that other drone casters offer. Chill just slows enemy aspd and then you hope you get lucky and get a freeze for a real cc effect.
And unlike minimalist Kjera has drone tracking on-skill which gives her access to the multiple hit dmg stacking of drone casters that minimalist really doesn't have but every other drone casters does have.
honorable mentions are arguable means they can be anywhere top 20 worst. You need at least one more operator to ice enemies for her to be actually good, so as solo, Click is even better... yeah Skyfire should be in top 10 because she's one of the most useless 5*
@@jezreeldionesio355 i have aurora and gnosis with her (:
and Quartz was the first one to level up above 50 because she's pretty :(
The only purpose you can use beehunter for - charging stainless' machine with her skill yhat reduses aspd
i did not expect Quartz to be something bad, except for the defence. i noticed that issue for her to be healed properly because of the 0 defence but high hp pool, but i managed to make her work pretty fine and she even did better than my Matoimaru by blocking two ennemies and stunning the bigger ones.
but really dps sucks? if she sucks my whole team does then xd
Supah, i think that brawler that deal art dmg gonna be pretty good.
A brawler class for Arts would be nice maybe. Closest we have is Indra
Nightmare or other ops who can heal (not exclude Medic or Defender healer) is good for some stage IF defender and medic class is banned.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad that none of my niche favorites made it in.
Akafuyu, Matoimaru, Kazemaru, and Whisperain are rarely seen and I think most people believe there's a lot of units that can do everything better.
LOL, why did I bother build Corroserum when I have maxed my Ifrit?
And yeah, I maxed Gummy and her module too, but only skill 1 with M3. A must have operator in Integrated Strategy
What I can ONLY IMAGINE they had in mind for the optimal use of the Crusher archetype is to put them in one of those spaces off to the side not directly in the line of enemies and right in front of a defender. That way they attack the enemies blocked by the defender and aren’t in the line of fire themselves. But like….you can also just use Melantha or ANY OTHER duelist guard. EVEN SKADI and get a similar DPS. They aren’t somehow SO STRONG that using them like that is some big upgrade over duelist guards.
brother we need your gummy hard drive
Thank god you actually noticed nightmare skill 2 contradictory.. so weird.. and I just saw someone comment it doesn't synergize w weedy S3... Was just about to test it after I get nm S2M3 and weedy S3M3.. all hope gone..
As someone who E2 frostleaf as his first E2, (because people said E2 any 4* you like, so you can use Surtrs S3), only think she needs is a burrial
You forgot about Tomimi, she's an arts caster who changes her damage to physical, has a crappy rng skill and a speed up, she also basically changes her attack range to 1 tile Infront of her depending on where she's placed
Yesterday I used her in the monthly squad thing in IS2
I would've tried to defend her skills, but any argument I would've made would be made redundant by the fact _she is a caster that can't caster_
Truth be told as someone who actively uses Carnelian and absolutely not at all lvl90 m9 her, i can say that someday she will be better eventually when a second module drops but heaven knows when thats gonna happen or if it will happen at all
same mate. i just want my top 3 hottest ops in AK be worthy in skill to her appearance. if only she came after Lin not before
After watching your quartz video i decided to raise her and use her on is man she is squishy but if you pick the most easy is she is tanky with 8k hp and 2k attack i guess thsts the only time you can use her
I usually forget Greyy exists unless I'm swapping out my power plant operators too. I got him as one of those free recruitments in IS2 once and..... no.
Gummy is usually my first defender pick for is2 and is3. So ofc she's maxed out!
Tbh I expected Conviction to make the list. But at least Conviction has memes. Now I wait for Tomimimimi Alter.
Conviction is an april fools operator. Kind of automatically disqualified for the list