In this video the one and only Misha Mansoor writes some new music using our new and FREE Midi Grooves 2! You can get this MIDI pack from www.getgooddrums.com
He is an absolute machine. I find that a good way to tighten yourself up is to try to relax and to focus on playing with intention. Try and focus on each coming note rather than relying on muscle memory
For those saying that when you do the same grooves on the same kit, it doesnt sound the same, I imagine this is the reason: Misha is probably mixing into a master bus setup, aka something Nolly calls a "top-down" approach. I would bet that he is using the same master bus setup from his other video on the Aggressive Rock kit titled "Misha Mansoor: OKW Aggressive Rock 'Modern Hardcore' Mix Walkthrough". I think its around 17:12 on that video, where he goes over the mix of the demo song. Try setting your master bus up like that and see if you get similar results.
Haven't listened to Oceansize in quite a while, that was such a great band! Thanks for reminding me of them. Really loved Frames and they were awesome live. Really dig the vibe in your track.
You make it look so damn easy! And while I’m giving it a shot and nowhere as good it’s so much fun doing it and I have this video and the free grooves to thank for that!
Bypass the cab because I’m using GGD Zilla which is better, but I do the same thing with Neural/Helix etc. The other thing I’m bypassing is a built in eq curve, but I prefer to have more control. That’s it.
Its definitely a usable plugin @Misha but tbh you deserve a much better signature amp plugin. I bought it and was pretty disappointed with the overall sound but I looove zilla cabs i use it exclusively
I've picked up quite a few of the Groove Packs over time. I wish there were more 3/4 grooves, but otherwise they're pretty useful and sound way better than what I can program.
He did say that he had it all sketched out beforehand, and it's clear that he did work on it before the video started. Not to belittle his skills - I would love to be able track things as consistently tight as Misha does.
Cool for sure but I don’t understand why he says he routes GGD in multi out and the plugin is clearly in stereo as you can see in the little window upon the cpu scaling… anyway, I like the video 😜
Well yeah, Misha is a ridiculously good mixer. Reduce the 200 range by a bit, up the 1.5k and 5k (or 7k for extra bright). Compress the signal even before EQ, and Technique. It's almost entirely technique tbh.
@@kenuru2080 thanks for this I recently picked up the halpert kit and I love it but I suck at mixing in general But these Misha vids are a godsend in terms of workflow help and inspiration
If you’re referring to the tone of the drums then it’s a combination of the stock velocity being changed, compression and eq. The best thing I ever did to my process is start using master bus compression and eq plugins and also on each track as a starting point. In this case he’s using smash and grab, but knowing how to use the plugins can make a huge difference. But yes this all falls under the blanket of Misha is an amazing mixer!
What is the maximum velocity value in the piano roll for Cubase? I write stuff out in Ableton and go by the tutorial Nolly did where I believe he stated 114-117 was a good threshold for chorus oriented drum grooves. Can anyone clarify???
One of my biggest problems is that using and playing to a metronome does not click in my head. No pun intended. However playing to a groove track seems to work since I can somewhat feel the rythm better.
I think you see it more in context with a groove track. A metronome gives a better understanding of time and time complexity in writing. Check out a video by Michael League speaking about Time vs Groove and Feel. Personally I studied jazz at university and it's opposite for me :-D
Nothing wrong with that, guy. I use the click on when tracking but usually pick out grooves that I like first and track over them because I will play differently depending on the vibe of the groove. Used to have my drummer as my roommate so anytime I had an idea I wanted to work out we would jam it out in the practice space. Then you can swap out the grooves or re-work them to more fit the riff. It’s not a bad thing to use the grooves as jumping points, that’s why they’re there
Misha how do you get your resolution so high? Looks so nice and spacious. My Cubase is always very cramped compared to this. What resolution are you at??
Misha, I notice you're wearing the HD 820 instead of the HD 800. Is that just going with a different flavor for this video, or did you actually make the switch because you like them better?
I’m still trying to decide which I like better overall, I know the 800 better but the closed back design of the 820 makes it good for videos like this where I need a bit of isolation
Awesome video as always, thanks a lot for doing this, it's so much inspiring and I'm learning a lot everytime. Just a question, I've seen you track through a radial j48 that you use for routing purposes, do you think that it benefits the signal more than plugging directly into a interface? provided it's a good quality one. I think it's a good sounding unit for what I've read, but I don't know if it's worth the money compared to a regualar interface
Hey Misha. I am curious as to why you continue to record a track even after the drums part is over? You did that for every instrument. Does that help with anything or is that a particularly good habit that musicians should inculcate?
I downloaded the grooves, but do I need to get a pack to get the sounds? I imported to ableton and its just bleeps and bloops, i can throw an 808 or whatever on it but it sounds nothing like a drum kit.. :(
The drums are obviously post processed, none of the presets sounds as near as this one in the video. You need to multi out and post processing any single piece of the kit. So that means that you need a little bit of knowledge. If you are only focused on the writing process you can easily throw one of the preset in stereo and start writing riffs using the loops as starting point.
Hey misha I have an m1 mac but it doesnt seem that kontact player is able to be downloaded on apple silicon. Any insight into when native instruments will release something compatible with the new apple products?
@@iluvyunie I like your username. Also native instruments is the installer for GGD. It is necessary to be able to download products from ggd, but when I open the native instruments it gives me a notification that it cannot work on the new apple hardware
I think it’s something meant as an eq curve for people who don’t know how to eq a guitar tone for the mix, but since I know exactly what I want I turn it off as I’d like to control that.
Anyone else imagine having that awful 16 but click going in your in ear monitors for a month straight on tour and cringing hard? Wonder if Misha uses it or not 😜
oiii!!!!....cabzilla is a magical asexual creature, that experiments with itself and doesn't at all have Godzilla like references.. as in it make a tiny lizard equivalent of a guitar d.i turn too the mighty beast we all know and love...for killing imperial soldiers... lol
"spencer's been coming at me..." so basically, P5 is coming out this month
Nah we would have started see studio updates
"It's always about increasing length" - Misha Mansoor
KEKW
Man what a tight player, I'm watching those wave forms and it's like perfect when he doubles it
He is an absolute machine. I find that a good way to tighten yourself up is to try to relax and to focus on playing with intention. Try and focus on each coming note rather than relying on muscle memory
Misha is a master!
For those saying that when you do the same grooves on the same kit, it doesnt sound the same, I imagine this is the reason: Misha is probably mixing into a master bus setup, aka something Nolly calls a "top-down" approach. I would bet that he is using the same master bus setup from his other video on the Aggressive Rock kit titled "Misha Mansoor: OKW Aggressive Rock 'Modern Hardcore' Mix Walkthrough". I think its around 17:12 on that video, where he goes over the mix of the demo song. Try setting your master bus up like that and see if you get similar results.
Haven't listened to Oceansize in quite a while, that was such a great band! Thanks for reminding me of them. Really loved Frames and they were awesome live. Really dig the vibe in your track.
That first chord progression was very Intronaut-y too
I'm getting so much Circa Survive from this.
I thought the exact same thing
probably something off Descensus!
THANK YOU for doing these videos Misha! This stuff is helping a lot.
Just love seeing people in their element, awesome as always Misha
Oceansize!! I think Frames is one of the albums I've listened the most... They were great
Watching you do it personally and it still baffles me how you get that huge sound in the pre production without post processing. I love you for that!!
Need Misha to release this as a song. This rules so hard and I watch this video over and over just to hear it!
At the end it sounds like swerdriver’s vibe too, amazing 🤘🏽
33:28 THE MIDNIGHT❤️❤️
You make it look so damn easy! And while I’m giving it a shot and nowhere as good it’s so much fun doing it and I have this video and the free grooves to thank for that!
Misha making it look so easy. So sick man. Love these videos!
I've hit S a few times in a futile attempt to solo a section
At least space bar works 😁
This tune needs a purely violin intro.
Hell yeah. Oceansize is great!
Very good stuff Misha! I absolutely enjoy these vids!
JP Bouvet is an incredible drummer! I saw a Berklee shed session with JP, Matt Gartska and Y. Hunter, just tasteful grooves/licks
First time I heard Oceansize was in the movie "The Invisible" they do the intro song "Music For A Nurse"
The part with the Rhodes by itself is hella vibe
That EP section is beautiful.
it sounds like it's "Unfamiliar" by Oceansize. Nice!
I can imagine mike vennart singing on it ❤️
Reppin the AWE Tuning shirt I love it!
18:53 LOL!
This indeed has a very nice Oceansize vibe!
thank you misha! quite a ride...i must say... i loved it!
I love how the only way to make TFMM useable is to bypass the cab and post processing sections lol 🤦🏻♀️
Bypass the cab because I’m using GGD Zilla which is better, but I do the same thing with Neural/Helix etc. The other thing I’m bypassing is a built in eq curve, but I prefer to have more control. That’s it.
Its definitely a usable plugin @Misha but tbh you deserve a much better signature amp plugin. I bought it and was pretty disappointed with the overall sound but I looove zilla cabs i use it exclusively
@@jessegolden23 I personally think everything by Neural absolutely blows Toneforge out of the water
Only 3 minutes in and an Oceansize nod? Hell yes. Incredible band gone too soon.
HEY! youre like the only person i see rocking AWE gear haha i have an AWE exhaust on my sti
So good to see some Oceansize love
a lot of talent
LOVE these videos!
Perfect for game soundtrack. Especialy space games, Thunder Force IV from Genesis.
This tune reminds me a bit of the sonic dynamic that Failure has some times. Should have just the piano part at the outro would be cool.
Cool tune! Sounds really Bay Area progressive rockie. Sounds a lot like Enchant! Which are great by the way :)
Everytime this dude picks up the stick with strings, something beautiful comes out. FFS
love these videos Misha! :)
I've picked up quite a few of the Groove Packs over time. I wish there were more 3/4 grooves, but otherwise they're pretty useful and sound way better than what I can program.
cut the grooves.... u can make them any time sig
Hearing Misha using the Sax sounds in this one made me wonder what would happen if there is a Bulb/Periphery x SaxlRose collab
bought the aggressive drum, its great.
Nice
one take wonder jesus i would have messed up so many times getting these takes or just noodling like that getting the right chord progression lol
He did say that he had it all sketched out beforehand, and it's clear that he did work on it before the video started.
Not to belittle his skills - I would love to be able track things as consistently tight as Misha does.
i love this kind of content!
Cool for sure but I don’t understand why he says he routes GGD in multi out and the plugin is clearly in stereo as you can see in the little window upon the cpu scaling… anyway, I like the video 😜
Щас как посмотрю!!!
How do you route reverb in your session and what reverb do you use? I love the air of reverb that surrounds the drums and synths!
lovely
Wow. Thanks dude.
Just need some strong Mancunian accent vocals and you’ve got a Frames era Oceansize (RIP) classic. What is you’re fave Size album/song?
Why when I hear a sound here it sounds pretty cool in terms of mixing. But if I repeat all the same movements in the mixer as Misha - I get slag!
PC SPECS PLEASE. thanks for being awesome. im learning cool stuff!
The sound of grooves is different when I play them (a little bit more "muffled"). Is something that Misha is doing with the EQ o some specific plugin?
Smash n grab?
It makes a world of difference tbh
misha good at mixing tbh
Well yeah, Misha is a ridiculously good mixer. Reduce the 200 range by a bit, up the 1.5k and 5k (or 7k for extra bright). Compress the signal even before EQ, and Technique. It's almost entirely technique tbh.
@@kenuru2080 thanks for this
I recently picked up the halpert kit and I love it but I suck at mixing in general
But these Misha vids are a godsend in terms of workflow help and inspiration
If you’re referring to the tone of the drums then it’s a combination of the stock velocity being changed, compression and eq. The best thing I ever did to my process is start using master bus compression and eq plugins and also on each track as a starting point. In this case he’s using smash and grab, but knowing how to use the plugins can make a huge difference. But yes this all falls under the blanket of Misha is an amazing mixer!
What is the maximum velocity value in the piano roll for Cubase? I write stuff out in Ableton and go by the tutorial Nolly did where I believe he stated 114-117 was a good threshold for chorus oriented drum grooves.
Can anyone clarify???
127, I like 110!
Thanks dude! 😁
127
Djinn bass is awesome but god it’s so expensive! 😭😭
Wow!
One of my biggest problems is that using and playing to a metronome does not click in my head. No pun intended. However playing to a groove track seems to work since I can somewhat feel the rythm better.
try both at the same time. Will give you the extra accuracy and make the click feel more natural over time.
I think you see it more in context with a groove track. A metronome gives a better understanding of time and time complexity in writing. Check out a video by Michael League speaking about Time vs Groove and Feel. Personally I studied jazz at university and it's opposite for me :-D
Thanks for the help I will try both.🤙
Nothing wrong with that, guy. I use the click on when tracking but usually pick out grooves that I like first and track over them because I will play differently depending on the vibe of the groove. Used to have my drummer as my roommate so anytime I had an idea I wanted to work out we would jam it out in the practice space. Then you can swap out the grooves or re-work them to more fit the riff. It’s not a bad thing to use the grooves as jumping points, that’s why they’re there
I am getting a 28 days later feel
Is this the out of box sound of this kit? If so im buying it immediately
Misha how do you get your resolution so high? Looks so nice and spacious. My Cubase is always very cramped compared to this. What resolution are you at??
Bigger screen mostly
Misha, I notice you're wearing the HD 820 instead of the HD 800. Is that just going with a different flavor for this video, or did you actually make the switch because you like them better?
I’m still trying to decide which I like better overall, I know the 800 better but the closed back design of the 820 makes it good for videos like this where I need a bit of isolation
Awesome video as always, thanks a lot for doing this, it's so much inspiring and I'm learning a lot everytime. Just a question, I've seen you track through a radial j48 that you use for routing purposes, do you think that it benefits the signal more than plugging directly into a interface? provided it's a good quality one. I think it's a good sounding unit for what I've read, but I don't know if it's worth the money compared to a regualar interface
Hey Misha. I am curious as to why you continue to record a track even after the drums part is over? You did that for every instrument. Does that help with anything or is that a particularly good habit that musicians should inculcate?
In case you need that trail later on, should definitely get in the habit of it :)
Makes crossfading and comping tacks possible too!
He mentioned it in this video
He mentions this at 12:10
I downloaded the grooves, but do I need to get a pack to get the sounds? I imported to ableton and its just bleeps and bloops, i can throw an 808 or whatever on it but it sounds nothing like a drum kit.. :(
Do you have kontakt?
Amazing job! What’s the name of the DAW you’re using? It looks really cool! I use Logic Pro but would love to try this one too
It's a daw called Cubase.
@@robinpightling7425 thanks! I’ve watched more videos and found out meanwhile :) good stuff
Do the drums have any post processing or is that what they sound like right out the box?
The drums are obviously post processed, none of the presets sounds as near as this one in the video. You need to multi out and post processing any single piece of the kit. So that means that you need a little bit of knowledge. If you are only focused on the writing process you can easily throw one of the preset in stereo and start writing riffs using the loops as starting point.
Hey Misha, what processing do you have on the drum sounds? The grooves sound quite a bit more massive than straight out of the box. Cheers!
Its because they’re pre-mixed as samples
@@FanaticDrummer you can load the same patch and compare how it sounds to Misha's video. There is quite the (positive) difference.
Hey misha I have an m1 mac but it doesnt seem that kontact player is able to be downloaded on apple silicon. Any insight into when native instruments will release something compatible with the new apple products?
You can't open it as a vst inside a daw?
It should open as a plugin to any studio software afaik or maybe I'm missing something
@@iluvyunie I like your username. Also native instruments is the installer for GGD. It is necessary to be able to download products from ggd, but when I open the native instruments it gives me a notification that it cannot work on the new apple hardware
@@jaredesker7348 OHH
I see what you mean now, damn that sucks man :/
It's a great kit, hopefully they fix that up soon
And thanks 😂
Ferrari boi
do you need a full version of kontakt to use GGD in cubase?
Nope, works with the free Kontakt player!
@@MishaMansoor awesome , sounds amazing, I need this in my life!
Lmao the thing only thing that its sole purpose to make the plugin sound better in TFMM actually makes it sound worse.
I think it’s something meant as an eq curve for people who don’t know how to eq a guitar tone for the mix, but since I know exactly what I want I turn it off as I’d like to control that.
Anyone else imagine having that awful 16 but click going in your in ear monitors for a month straight on tour and cringing hard? Wonder if Misha uses it or not 😜
oiii!!!!....cabzilla is a magical asexual creature, that experiments with itself and doesn't at all have Godzilla like references.. as in it make a tiny lizard equivalent of a guitar d.i turn too the mighty beast we all know and love...for killing imperial soldiers... lol
:)
Do they work with Invasion?
Can't find how to import them.
are you on Mac?
2:32 I like that😍💋 💝💖❤️
THANK YOU for doing these videos Misha! This stuff is helping a lot.