Cut Knurling for the Home Shop Machinist
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Cut knurling-- a not-so-well-known alternative to the more common pressure or form knurling, is described in detail in this video--what it is, and how to do it. To learn how to make a simple cut knurling tool, see this video: • Making a Simple Cut Kn...
For those looking for more info on pressure/form knurling, I describe in another video ( • Making a Knurled Knob ) the technique for achieving consistently perfect results.
i was an CNC lathe operator for over 10 years and didn't know about this kind of technique edit: cut knurling
It seems that this technique is not as widely known as it should be.
This just popped up in my feed. Great stuff here Mike.I will have to see what else you have here on You Tube. Cheers
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Great video! I’ve never heard of this technique before and I don’t know why. It may not be as quick but I t looks so much better than form knurling. I’m sure it will be easier on my spindle bearings also. Thanks.
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Cut knurling when properly set up is actually faster than regular knurling tools. Regular diamond knurls require two cutters. One above and one below the centerline. SPI used to sell the tooling as does Hardinge to fit their own style quick change tool post for the HLV lathes. There may be some info in one of Hardinge's online catalogs. I would have to look if SPI (1) is even in business anymore.
Looking up cut knurling on line Dorian and others sell them 🤌$$$🤌. Gadet Builder website has an article on building your own. But you would likely need to buy the wheels themselves.
1) Swiss Precision Instuments.
Definitely easier on the machine
Wow, that was the most impressive demonstration and explanation of knurling I’ve ever seen. So much information you want to watch it twice !
Thanks for such a detailed presentation.
Thank you so much!
Merci pour les explications très claires. Je viens d'essayer : ça fonctionne parfaitement. Un grand merci a vous
Pfah! Us old-school machinist do it by hand with gun stock checkering tools. Seriously, though, nice work and very informative. Thanks for sharing it.
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Absolutely immaculate knurls. Thank you. Just one small suggestion: There is a slight pop in your microphone recordings. Other than that, perfect. Thank you.
Thanks, and yes, I need to acquire a better microphone.
I wish you'd made this video a month or so ago, heh. I've been playing with cut knurling but getting the angle and center height right is tricky. Also I'm using the regular cheap import knurl wheels with the bevel ground flat. Seems to work alright in aluminium but quite janky when used on mild steel. Also the whole process is incredibly messy with fine dust all over which gives me second thoughts...
PS: thanks for making this video, very informative
You’ll probably get better results on steel with a name-brand knurling wheel. I find that the clearance angle isn’t all that critical. As for center height, make yourself a dummy knurling wheel with no teeth. Sandwich a straight machinist’s rule between the dummy and a small diameter (say 10mm or 3/8in) workpiece. Adjust the dummy knurl height up or down so that the rule is perpendicular to the cross slide, at which point the knurl will be on-center. Any way you slice it, knurling is messy.
@@mikelevyonline thanks,,,really enjoyed this
@@mikelevyonline I tried again with some of your tips in the video and it does indeed produce nice crisp knurls on aluminium
I think the compressed air helps a fair bit but it makes a god awful mess. I've ordered a pair of accutrak form knurling wheels to try out and will probably end up making an Aloris AT19 clone.
Very nice! I've always found cut knurling tools to be rather exotic and expensive. This setup seems more approachable.
Yes, the tool can be a straightforward do-it-yourself project.
I gues 'tubalcain mrpete machinist' would call these knurls crisp. I had an idea to make one of these clamp knurling tools, but for what. This is perfect.
Wow, what a great video! Thank you! A couple of questions: 1) can pressure knurling tools be ground flat (removing the chamfer) for use as a cut knurling tool? 2) on the shop-made round-shank cut knurl tool holder, is it important to put the flat for the knurling tool at the center of the round shank? 3) lastly, can knurls be used to create rotary broach tools to cut female splines, or are the forms different?
1) Yes.
2) No, but if you're doing a lot of diamond knurling, it's wise to place the point of knurl/workpiece contact on the shank/head axis, so you don't have to reset the center height when the tool is rotated to the second position.
3. The forms are different.
Excellent! Detailed video on a topic not well covered.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent presentation. Cut knurlers are the bees knees
Yes indeed.
I think most machinists, tool makers etc don't even know these exist. I always hated knurling until l learned about these. All we had was the standard pressure knurlers and those were old and dull.
I loved the video, I have not seen this covered before. I learned alot. Thanks for an excellent video.
me too
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Awesome! Very informative! I'm definitely going to try this some day.
18:55 surely the second cut for the diamond pattern requires the spindle to run clockwise, so that it cuts rather than forms the thread? I note it is doing so in the second pass.
Yes, you are correct. I started the spindle in the forward direction, quickly realized my mistake, and reversed it. You’ll notice that when the spindle comes to a stop, it has been rotating in the correct direction.
The knurles are so clean they look like splines or gears.
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👍Great Video 👍
Thank you!
Thank you Michael, more knurling information here than I have ever seen in all my reading and watching videos....
cheers from Central Florida, Paul
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bonjour très bonne video je vais en faire un ,peut tu me dire si c'est une molette speciale ou la molette d'un outil a moleter classique peut elle convenir ,merci pour ta réponse cdlt Daniel
Nice! Could the knurling wheel be cut with the proper tooth profile for cutting gear teeth instead of simple knurling? Asking for a friend.
In principle I suppose it’s possible.
Thank you so much. This looks so much easier and faster than forming straight knurls on long cylinders the way I have been doing it. I feel stupid for not knowing this before.
Thanks, hope it works out for you.
Never seen that before.
Just PERFECT ! .....Thank you !
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We had a cut knurling setup for the Hardinge HLVs were i retired from. One thing that would sometimes need to be allowed for was extra diameter on diameter being knurled. For quick and dirty knurls on jobs that were non spec. Personal or special hand tools being made for production use. Knurled heads on screws etc. Hand knurlers are nice too.
But cut knurling beats all methods hands down
Inspiring! Do you find that using compressed air as shown tends to force the chips into the slides, etc?
No, but it is a bit messy.
What you have done is all new to me (I'm a watcher not a lathe worker). I have even joined your club - subscribed.
Can this method be used for internal knurling too?
I have not investigated that.
What a fantastic video
Thanks so much!
Great video, very clearly explained, thank you. I've been machining for over sixty years and learned something! Two questions- with normal knurling there is a relationship between the pitch of the wheels and the diameter of the work piece, doe that apply here? Also, if you put a cut on and feed the tool gently in, will it not pick up on the already cut bit as it is like a little gear? Third question, are you metric? Thanks again, Al.
I find that the knurling wheel will track on any random diameter, and yes, it will pick up on the cut made by the previous pass. My lathe is imperial, with dual imperial/metirc dials.
Really excellent video! I notice that when cutting the diamond knurl second cut, the spindle is rotating in the conventional direction on commencing the first pass (18.55) but is reversed when it stops (19.22) which is a clever trick! I can understand the reverse direction as the work is then approaching the flat cutting face of the knurl.
A very astute observation. Yes, it works better if the spindle is reversed on the second cut (something I failed to mention in the video), however, by habit I started the spindle in the forward direction, stopped it, then put it in reverse, and just removed that section from the video, as I try to avoid subjecting the viewer to unnecessary footage.
Excellent vid 😊
One question.
If you think of the knurled part like a gear or spline, will it sometimes create like a half knurl or tooth? Or is it always cutting a full knurl?
Or is there a way of calculating based on the material diameter?
My experience is that it will track on any random diameter, thus always cutting a full knurl.
Superb tutorial!
I have always had mixed sucess with pressure formed knurling; this method is the answer. Thank you!.
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Looks like hand filed checkering. Nice
I'm watching this in depth but still can't see how it's doing the cutting... How is the knurl wheel cutting if it's turning with the workpiece... I'm a bit baffled.
Remember that the knurl wheel is also moving laterally with respect to the workpiece, and this is the main impetus for the shearing action that takes place.
Thank you for a clear & very well explained, demystification of cut knurling.
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Very impressive video, I just with more RUclips creators could make videos like this.
Thank you for the very gracious comment.
Love your work. Thank you
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If making you own holders for cut knurlers l would suggest machining the cutting relief into the body of the holder. For dovetal type tool posts l personally always prefered to set them at 0° offeet as my insert tooling was then at the proper orientation. My HSS tooling was also ground to be in the correct orientation. All of my threading and chamfering tools in HSS as well as special grooving and trappaning tools for O-Ring grooves were finish ground on a surface grinder in fixtures purpose made.
That idea has merit-I also like to position my tool holders at 90 degrees to the spindle axis, however if I want to change the clearance angle of the cut knurler I would prefer to rotate the tool inside the holder rather than rotate the entire tool post.
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The primary reason l started doing it was to eliminate the adjusting the tool post constantly. I had my own A series tool post and l ground the inside face of the tool slot parallel with the faces of the dovetail. The drawings we would get in the last years before l retired started coming in with chamfers anywhere from 10° to 45°. So l made up ones with 45, 30, 25, 20 and 15°. For threading tools I had blocks for 60°, 29° Acme and 60° offset 30° for internal threading. For odd angles and form tools l used a block with a rotating head with a 7° clearance angle built in.
Wonder if this is how car manufactures cut splines, would be fast
First thought when I saw the cut knurlong was a spline . Wonder if you could make a internal one to make a planetary gearset with one
Great video - thank you! It’s still not entirely clear to me how the cutting action happens. I understand that it’s at the edge of the wheel that is angled into the material. But I don’t understand yet the precise geometry: what are the rake angles, clearance angles, and which edge exactly is the cutting edge?
That's a great question, and I believe there are very few people on this planet who can answer it. Nevertheless, the process works, and works well.
It’s the kind of thing you want to explore with a slow-mo camera and a macro lens (I love those videos). BTW, I’m super-impressed by how clean the knurls are. With the standard method, even when very well-done, you can still always see that the material is gouged.
Sweeeet🎉
how dose the knerl tool pick up the same groove im lost on this part
It just naturally falls into the track made on the previous pass.
Nice
Thank you for the video, very informative and well presented.
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Wow I learned something new, cool!
Thanks, glad you found it informative.
Great video, learned lots of things! Thanks!
Glad you found it informative.
The best video by far that I've seen explaining cut knurling! Do you not, however, have to reverse the lathe spindle when cutting the left handed side of the angled knurl?
Edit: Looking again, I see that you did reverse the spindle.
You are correct. I accidentally started the spindle forward, then reversed it, but didn't include the switch in the video.
@@mikelevyonline I'm wondering how the dual cutter knurling tools work since the workpiece only rotates in one direction.
@@npalen Great observation. It may have something to do with the knurls being considerably above and below the centerline.
Very informative thanks
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Brilliant! Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure!
good looking knurl
Thanks!
Nice
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awesome work
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