It just means the gifted person gets an emotional high out of processing a ton of information or activities and challenges that align with the personal interests and get bored easily if that intellectual stimulation is missing. I was blamed that I am so perfectionistic, that to get better I have to stop being perfectionistic because my obsession with details is supposedly my problem. But that's not the case at all. I don't obsess over details, I enjoy the challenge of doing it. I get aethetic pleasure from doing detail stuff, playing around with language when I write until it sounds right spending hours painting glazes onto my ceramic objects in great detail, experimenting with new cooking ingredients, following the latest paleonthology news etc.
Holy damn that first statement describes it all so perfectly. I actually physically feel my brain get stimulated, or when it's adapting to new information. It corresponds to reality too. I completely love that cognitive effort and high. I also feel my brain activate a bit more strongly when I see a new cognitive activity I can invest in. It keeps me magically motivated. It was so relieving to read about getting a form of high from processing things lol. It makes me super hyperactive too! Massive energy and hyperactivity after reading a challenging book is usually unheard of lol
@abc xyz Erm, no. I know people who have hardly any interest in knowledge and have no aesthetic sense for detail work. They just don't care. I know people who get really frustrated when they have to do detail stuff because their lack of talent for it makes it apparently super hard.
I'm a mid-life adult very recently diagnosed with high IQ, giftedness and ADHD after a series of nervous breakdowns and a lifetime of difficulty navigating. I always thought I was an idiot (and certainly this was indicated by my experiences in most environments) so high IQ and giftedness came as a shock. Last week, my wife encountered TPD and it explains SO much of my life from age 4 through present. I love this video. Thank you!
Linda, I just want to thank you so much for the podcast with Dr. Kirk Honda you did. You literally made me cry, as the podcast seemed to describe my life down to a t. I was able to discuss giftedness with my therapist as well as my best friend, who is also gifted but luckily not as overexcitable as I am. He, too, was so relieved to finally learn this about himself! It finally makes sense, so THANK YOU so much! Edit: I couldn't sit through the vid without starting to cry again. Right in the feels, Dr. Linda. It's like I'm finally being validated.
I don't consider myself to be a workaholic, but I have WAY too many hobbies! After retiring early (because of traumatic brain injury), I started my homestead. I thought with gardening, preserving food, having chickens, reading, sewing, weaving, and taking singing lessons to regain my speech, I thought I would be busy. But a friend got me into beekeeping (2017), got my first bees the next spring; she talked me into going into the Master. Gardener course in 2019. I got my first goats in 2020, who had their first kids in 2021. I now have 10 full-size goats. I am building a goat barn (12 ft x24ft) by myself. MAYBE I am a little excitable! And I am 67 years old.
@victoriousjoy9338 Only if you clean house and do the other things that I used to do before I started this running like an idiot! But I'd have to clean the hobby room (or at least part of it) to give you a place to sleep!
@@monicaluketich6913 What state are you in?? I was kidding, but the funny thing is that i have been dreaming about moving out of the city to be on the land and do physical work.
@victoriousjoy9338 Unfortunately, I live in rural Texas now. I lived for 20 years in Dallas and Houston areas, where I had my whole back yards as gardens, but now I have sand for soil and some crazy neighbors. Just saying that I have to watch what I say around there, if you know what I mean.
The high energy thing is really interesting to me. My dad was IQ tested for the military and was found to have a 150 iq. My grandma on that side read a book a day until she died and she was so incredibly brilliant. At her 90th birthday party, she was funny, full of energy, sharp as a tack, and didn’t even have many wrinkles. To the last item she would quip, “it’s because I use Oil of Old Lady!” But she also seemed so young on the inside, always curious and alive. I am now 36 and I have never been IQ tested. I did score in the gifted range on standardized tests when I was young. I am a little less energetic than I used to be, but until only a few years ago I had seemingly endless amounts of energy. In my early 20s, I would wake up in the morning and decide on the spot that I was going to run 15 miles. I would eat a big breakfast, take one bottle of water (which I would refill), one or two cliff bars and off I would go. I always thought it wasn’t that impressive. The run wasn’t flat either - I would run from the town of Springdale, UT all the way up the scenic drive in Zion National Park, allll the way to the end of the Narrows walking trail and back to town to my house. Another time, I wanted to walk the maximum amount of miles that I could in a day. So I walked 30-something. I started at 6 am, walked to the other end of Zion National Park all the way to Kolob and then back. I made it back in time to get a burger before the restaurant closed. I was so thirsty for productive, challenging activity. I did so many incredibly daunting tasks and didn’t really tell very many people. I finally started telling people recently because I can hardly believe I did those things and now as a more tired person I have admiration for the sheer amount of endless energy that I had. This talk was really interesting and it’s made me look over several different aspects of my life and personality. Thank you!
This is an excellent framework. I have struggled with managing all five of these overexcitabilities my whole life. It’s great to have a new way to think about this.
Brilliant "Too Much". Labelled gifted, sensitive, highly creative, emotional but good nervous regulation. You can learn to drive your creativity, high energy seen as anxiety. I've always said energy. Mother said, "You need to be busy. She was right. As an adult- i see the blessing & curse. I learned quickly, but the ADHD arrived in college. Highly sensual, passion. Great Talk.
_I am an over-excitable -- to be sure! -- having been born during the exact moments of the full moon, at night, the Moon being in a water sign. Unfortunately, as a child, there was no one -- no adults -- around me who was able to recognize exceptional abilities in me. I was deemed mad instead, put on drugs. It wasn't until I suddenly took up the violin and composing classical music that a teacher taught me how to meditate and how to send light to people, healing them, at age 15. That was a turning point for my development. It's been a hard life. Most of all, I am sad I cannot find love, or have a family of my own._
I heard Dabrowski videos saying that the gifted needs help and therapy but different therapy than is provided in our system - not diagnosis, but support through the difficulties. So you can have a disorder as part of your OE and giftedness. This is obvious so Im a bit disappointed in this. Therefore I like comment/question at 34:24. I think the dark goes with the light. To assume that crying at a sunset does not come with the same intensity of darkness and emotional torment is to me just intuitively crazy. Borderline has no emotional skin, this means you feel Everything, light positive, and dark negative etc etc etc. Also on Impulsivity, this is just a having directed your intuition. I pray that these are not the opinions will change the really beautiful Dabrowski theory which actually gives hope and light to people who are experiencing heightened light and darkness. I understand that there could be a diagnosis without giftedness, but the thing is there can also be a diagnosis with giftedness and then you need to be recognised as such, helped, supported and allowed to grow with the gift etc. It is easy to dismiss someone who is gifted as being sick, when actually they are gifted but busy going through the disintegrating part of the positive disintegration. Dabrowski was clear that the negatives are not not part of the giftedness.
This is so true. The emotional highs I have experienced definitely go hand in hand with intense emotional lows. Medication diminishes the lows but it also diminishes the highs, which is something I don't wanna give up. It's a real dilemma.
But he mentions in his theory on personal disintegration that people with low lows tends to "evolve" easier on the 5 steps. Isnt that connected to the OE?
heres the thing though, there is a significant possibility that high iq is often COMORBID meaning "co existing with" certain mental disorders such as ADHD, Bipolar, OCD and other such anxiety disorders, aspergers, and possibly depression.
Is this only me but growing up I fell so different growing up in paris and every-time someone have realised I was gifted and told me about it or even seeing all the description in this video making me emotional …
37:00 I feel like it’s a tricky thing. Adhd does also come with problems wi5 emotional regulation. But depending on how that’s dealt with they can level out or embrace it. But all that energy and emotion probably has a good chance of becoming something negative or an emotional OE. But listening in even further into the video. Yes it is important that we medicate it and I can see the slippery slope. This did just come after the part about neglecting depression and the issues with that.
Even furthermore. Autism ADHD Dislexia Psychopathy Genius and Over excitability are indicative of each other with how you operate. It’s the structures of the brain and how they are used by you that gives you your power. And through some form or another these developmental disorders can leave you with a structure that’s more advance or better than the average person. This can also come with some deficits. That’s why I feel while it’s not entirely same. These are all related to each other. A psychopath was probably born with one gift or two but couldn’t feel emotion. Ik my adhd causes a constant repeat in my head. A phrase will get repeated five times because it doesn’t feel right yet.(and this will happen 4-6 times for literally anything every 3 min) Is that ocd? Well it comes from an immediate feeling of that’s not right. And perhaps it happens because my emotions also tell me it’s important. But I also have the energy (which you said is important) to do all of this. So could it be said that the child was born with the energy given to you by over excitability? Were they born with the ability to perceive emotions stronger? I don’t think any of these are guaranteed. I think they are all possibilities born from disorders. Just like how an adult needs to relearn the wisdom of a child a person with a disorder can’t believe whole heartedly in it. There’s wisdom to be had from all sides. Ofc IM NOT A DOCTOR This is just my observations from research.
@23:09 I propose that sometimes anxieties and fears in those who are gifted can be caused by an experience due to overexcitability, but can fade as time goes on - especially in children whose brains are still developing. For example, I majorly have probably all the overexcitabilities, and when I was 4 years old, my parents made the mistake of taking me on a roller coaster. My 3-year-old half-sister and cousin LOVED it and were laughing & having fun the whole time. I, however, once we made it to the top of the first hill on the roller coaster, decided that being on it was NOT a good idea, so with 1 foot off the coaster car, I almost jumped off the thing without realizing I would die or be harmed, being that I was only 4 years old. My aunt grabbed me just in time and we finished the ride. For weeks or months after that, whenever I was riding in a car and we went over a hill, I would freak out crying and screaming, still with the memory of the roller coaster in my mind. That event had spurred fear and anxiety because my overexcitabilities caused me to experience being on the roller coaster so much more intensely than everyone else, and my little brain was too overwhelmed, but after some weeks or months, they went away and I never had a problem - and my parents learned to never take me on a ride like that ever again, lol. I ended up loving roller coasters as a teenager though. I think gifted children especially, due to not having a fully developed brain yet, can get overwhelmed by such things. As an adult - I am now 47 years old - I've learned how to stay grounded, embrace what I'm feeling, and ride any waves of emotion. I never feel anxious unless it's for good reason, and it passes when I address the root cause of it, and I never feel depressed - and that's not because my life hasn't been challenging, that's for sure. I 100% agree with you that overexcitabilities are a blessing. I am grateful I get to experience the world so intensely and beautifully.
An excellent video! Thank you 😊 I can honestly say ‘twitchy’ psychomotor isn’t appreciated in workplaces, as much as it’s not in schools... I guess I’ll have to wait a few more years for it to be a blessing! Loll.
And Linda and her team said in 1991 I think (seeing this in another video by Susan Daniels now) that the gifted are vulnerable. to support my last comment that is.
I had episode in my life where i was considering how people could process all the different activity they do just to live, functional. And i was overwhelmed, i could not withstand to all the information from social interaction mostly, they were so costly to me. Leaving me in such doubt of myself, filling alien. I had so much feeling, i was seeing so much thing, it was unbearable. And i withdraw from life completely for many years, all my life in fact. ( sound really like overfocus, i could not be just part in social interaction but completely in, everything else disappear) Today trying to live again. A therapy begin which is for me just about having positive interaction, still feeling alien and in doubt but i hope i'll be able to live out a bit. I've done a whole diagnostic of my situation and for the world outside. If it can be heard maybe it's not true, if not it is ! Humanity has failed it's evolutionary process. Hell is the promesse we've made to our children. Humanity is the agent of life failure on Earth.
i feel i can hyper focus on something that interests me...but i feel i can do this less and less every year...used to have intense hyper focusing abilities....but now i feel more like neuro typical..i guess it faded
25:00 Really... they think only one exists and it is t even the most rational over excitability like emotion. It’s the learning aspect... Like isn’t the whole point of the whole theory conn3cting emotions to things? AND THEY considered logic connections to emotions before they consider emotional connections to emotions. Great job guys.
I've investigated some files. Where they spoke about overexitability of my son. When I read his file they were together excluding him. Wich is nothing more than discrimination. Exclusion.
I AGREE 100% Try having a IQ of 170 and being looked over almost by (everyone). I mean you name it. From what I've connected the dots to spells a systematic cover-up to hide higher intelligence (other worldly) type of mental processing. I started doing research about 10 years ago on intelligence, and the results indicate, that i and all of humanity has been lied to about holistic/abstract intelligence. I'm supposed to know how to interpret and transpose ancient inscriptions from pyramids, hyrogylphs etc. But at the same time i can barely find a middle class job anywhere I've ever lived. Had to settle for warehouse labor jobs and customer service jobs, even though I've worked as drummer all my life!
@@james12erby43 I, too, began working as a drummer age 16, auditioned and hired as pit-drummer for touring Broadway shows; age 18 was on my own earning a living playing guitar; then entered university to study music composition with major in 18th Century Counterpoint; age 19 hired as percussionist for a symphony orchestra while simultaneously working in fine-dining kitchen brigades all the way to Executive Chef. By age 23, I had opened three restaurants and was already burned-out. I taught myself the art of screen printing and started a business. I was the world’s smallest company to be accepted as a vendor into the Dallas World Trade Center, smallest company to do business with Walmart (don’t). This business continued for 30 years while I also composed and performed music. I had accumulated enough assets by age 50 to have retired but I kept pushing on through the fatigue. After a few years of psychoanalysis I recently closed the business at age 63 to focus on composing music for film/TV/adverts; etc. All this to say, it took a close look at my lifetime with a psychoanalyst to point out intellectual giftedness and to ask the question, “ Who Does This?”
I noticed that you name impulsivity as a trait of ADHD and not related to OEs. However in the paper "Reexamining Overexcitability: A Framework for Understanding Intense Experience" by Piechowski and Wells they list impulsive action as a sign of psychomotor OE. I'm still not convinced that they are separate.
Do we understand why there is discontent with "gifted land"? I also wonder how many of these supposide "gifted" candidates end up developing a tendency towards pathologically narcissistic traits as adults (gifting the rest of us with a surprise we wish could be returned).
Oh there are plenty of low IQ narcissists, they're just not as successful with their manipulation and may develop other more obvious problems like addiction or criminal behavior, less emotional stability when their ego is challenged, ect.
So interesting that she pleades for academia not to put down other people's work, only to continue by bashing the big 5 theory. Thank you for an interesting lesson never the less.
omg...always wondered am i gifted? or do i just have adhd.... when she said adhd people are either on or off, that really switched a light on in my head....thats how people describe me...thats how i feel.... i wonder if you can have moderate adhd and emotional, intellectual and sensual OE
No, the overexcitability is only expressed by some genetically preformed individuals. The mainstream sheeple sleep intellectually during overstimulation.
I was a little bit curious as to why someone would suggest going to a baseball game wasn't a cultural pursuit. A play is written largely by one person's mind, interpreted by performers for an audience, which may largely have subjective, myopic, or inaccurate interpretations on the state of the human condition. I live in Hollywood, most art is bad and made ignorant unhealthy people who aren't interesting in reading Tolstoy or Doestoyevsky and dislike the Beatles. A baseball game will have people from all walks of life, of different backgrounds, who come together to observe and event that largely has a consistent set of rules and chances. The decisions of the athletes and coaches can generally be analyzed very concretely, and there's almost always going to be considerable discourse, both by professional writers and by the masses about the events that transpired. If a person was truly interested in the human condition, and position (the degree of progress being made) I think your odds are considerably higher at the ball game. I understand that this video was released several years ago, but I really couldn't help myself.
A gifted adult: what is sad is when your own gifted won’t help you when I was functioning but bankrupt from trauma emotionally. A few words or presence would have done it. Trust you?
The term 'overexcitabilities' is highly prejudicial. It sounds as if the individual who has this level of richness in lived experience has something wrong with them. The gifted, especially in the United States, have faced challenges as the result of prejudices--including an anti-intellectual strain in American culture. This term does far more harm than good.
@@tracik1277 special has a stigma too special can be view in both a negative and positive way I am former special education student, and I was even misplaced with intellectually disabled children. I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD. I can strongly relate to all 5 Overexcitabilities, but I do not view myself as being gifted. I think that my neurodivergent conditions stem from Overexcitabilities that are extreme.
Overexcitbility. Who coined that term. What it is is positive energy when channeled properly can be used in the most positive ways. Some people I know would give their right arm for my energy. Entraprenour magazine said that energy is 85% of the dynamic. If you don’t have it, they said do something like catering to people or you won’t get ahead.
IQ 116 Lol! I don't even understand how levers work. I was placed in remedial sets at school but despite having a supervised Mensa IQ in the 'High Average' range I just couldn't do the work in my first year at secondary school.
MAybe Big Five could be a useful tool (Excvuse me, JB Peterson), had it been more nuanced and unambiguous as well as more exact than it is, as well as having a parameter for health, state and situation. And maybe a parameter also for whethere one should answer according to one's real, normal personality, the typical, - or according to effects of harm upon harm, trauma upin trauma, dire need upon dire need, gone one for very long and still goingon. BIG difference from having a functional situation and everyday life.AND one should be able to see all Qs whenever wished, to see whether a Q turns up later in a different, better way. there are too few choices, and toosuperficial questions, where I don't fit in and get anxious wanting to be precise and honest . And some thinsg tdepends on how one thinks, what is meant.
This lady confuses truth/fatcs with illusionThere is no such ting as habving too much energy, ADHD and workaholics are not strong, but weak, becuase of biochemichal imbalances and various issues.
"Followers" in Alberta is the indication THEY were the ones misinterpreting and misrepresenting. It's frequently like that. Particularly after an independent thinker's death. Unpredictability makes us too dangerous while we're still alive anyway but maturity recognizes the corruption inherent in the guru/follower relationship and resists it. Apparently Dubrovski was big on Jesus and I think he's absolutely correct but understanding Jesus within the context of his induced messianic delusion being a proxied factitious illness consistent with sequelae of his mother's Munchausen is an indication why he did not reject the guru-follower paradigm IMO. Nietzsche talked about this (minus the Jesus) in Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Normalized Insanity I am a transistorized, transgenderized, transmogrified, trans-human A corporatized, commercialized, industrial strength consumer A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak A social climbing networker that's always on heat I got my education majoring in indoctrination Where they taught me to comply, to never question why And so I'm chasing an illusion of success that's a delusion That's sending me insane, exploding my brain And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct I always wear a smile coz I'm living in denial Chronic fatigue and TPD = death sentence in Australia
Overexcitability = an IQ of 150 to 160 in the cognitive domain !! THIS is the REAL Genius/Profoundly Gifted Archetype profound processing thought process/(experiments)
I sure as fuck have everything way more intensely, and sensitively. Even existential depression since 5th grade would be considered an overexcitability. Pretty sure it's not limited to 150+ people
Niet P Right, that’s actually what I was thinking about. About people that break the 120 IQ threshold. I’ve seen the same thing happen around 125, so 130 makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification
@@RonaldBradycptgmpy Do you believe in an IQ test's ability to be reliably accurate though? One girl in my class was so insane and genius level with poems. She could learn and perform exceptionally, but I doubt she was any good at math. Like, IQ is patterns for the most part, it's way more related to spatial skills which is connected to math. Even visual brain areas light up for math. She also had an androgenized brain common in gifted people, she definitely was gifted. Except she'd probably not perform according to expectations because IQ task is more math/visual. Do you think IQ tests are reliable at all?
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Her videos act like a therapy for me. Yes and i dropped dairy, wheat and TV successfully together with directing the focus myself.
It just means the gifted person gets an emotional high out of processing a ton of information or activities and challenges that align with the personal interests and get bored easily if that intellectual stimulation is missing. I was blamed that I am so perfectionistic, that to get better I have to stop being perfectionistic because my obsession with details is supposedly my problem. But that's not the case at all. I don't obsess over details, I enjoy the challenge of doing it. I get aethetic pleasure from doing detail stuff, playing around with language when I write until it sounds right spending hours painting glazes onto my ceramic objects in great detail, experimenting with new cooking ingredients, following the latest paleonthology news etc.
Holy damn that first statement describes it all so perfectly. I actually physically feel my brain get stimulated, or when it's adapting to new information. It corresponds to reality too. I completely love that cognitive effort and high. I also feel my brain activate a bit more strongly when I see a new cognitive activity I can invest in. It keeps me magically motivated. It was so relieving to read about getting a form of high from processing things lol. It makes me super hyperactive too! Massive energy and hyperactivity after reading a challenging book is usually unheard of lol
Deep precisely
@abc xyz Erm, no. I know people who have hardly any interest in knowledge and have no aesthetic sense for detail work. They just don't care. I know people who get really frustrated when they have to do detail stuff because their lack of talent for it makes it apparently super hard.
This.
@@petrairene And this. 👍
Emotional excitability has made my life a confusing, muddled, and deeply rich experience.
Saaaame
@@theWinterWalker Unconditional love coming your way
Beautifully put. It is what makes life rich and tasty.
I'm a mid-life adult very recently diagnosed with high IQ, giftedness and ADHD after a series of nervous breakdowns and a lifetime of difficulty navigating. I always thought I was an idiot (and certainly this was indicated by my experiences in most environments) so high IQ and giftedness came as a shock.
Last week, my wife encountered TPD and it explains SO much of my life from age 4 through present.
I love this video. Thank you!
Which IQ test did you take?
What is TPD?
Linda, I just want to thank you so much for the podcast with Dr. Kirk Honda you did. You literally made me cry, as the podcast seemed to describe my life down to a t. I was able to discuss giftedness with my therapist as well as my best friend, who is also gifted but luckily not as overexcitable as I am. He, too, was so relieved to finally learn this about himself! It finally makes sense, so THANK YOU so much!
Edit: I couldn't sit through the vid without starting to cry again. Right in the feels, Dr. Linda. It's like I'm finally being validated.
I know thos is quite old but what podcast? Google is doing me no good.
@@christianrasmussen9519 I think Evanz means the one Honda did with Lisa Erickson: ruclips.net/video/Mt9KI1g4nsE/видео.html
I don't consider myself to be a workaholic, but I have WAY too many hobbies! After retiring early (because of traumatic brain injury), I started my homestead. I thought with gardening, preserving food, having chickens, reading, sewing, weaving, and taking singing lessons to regain my speech, I thought I would be busy. But a friend got me into beekeeping (2017), got my first bees the next spring; she talked me into going into the Master. Gardener course in 2019. I got my first goats in 2020, who had their first kids in 2021. I now have 10 full-size goats. I am building a goat barn (12 ft x24ft) by myself. MAYBE I am a little excitable! And I am 67 years old.
Monica - Wow!! Can i move in with you?? ❤ ha ha!
@victoriousjoy9338 Only if you clean house and do the other things that I used to do before I started this running like an idiot! But I'd have to clean the hobby room (or at least part of it) to give you a place to sleep!
@@monicaluketich6913 What state are you in?? I was kidding, but the funny thing is that i have been dreaming about moving out of the city to be on the land and do physical work.
@victoriousjoy9338 Unfortunately, I live in rural Texas now. I lived for 20 years in Dallas and Houston areas, where I had my whole back yards as gardens, but now I have sand for soil and some crazy neighbors. Just saying that I have to watch what I say around there, if you know what I mean.
@@monicaluketich6913 Oh dear!! So sorry!
The high energy thing is really interesting to me. My dad was IQ tested for the military and was found to have a 150 iq.
My grandma on that side read a book a day until she died and she was so incredibly brilliant. At her 90th birthday party, she was funny, full of energy, sharp as a tack, and didn’t even have many wrinkles. To the last item she would quip, “it’s because I use Oil of Old Lady!” But she also seemed so young on the inside, always curious and alive.
I am now 36 and I have never been IQ tested. I did score in the gifted range on standardized tests when I was young.
I am a little less energetic than I used to be, but until only a few years ago I had seemingly endless amounts of energy. In my early 20s, I would wake up in the morning and decide on the spot that I was going to run 15 miles. I would eat a big breakfast, take one bottle of water (which I would refill), one or two cliff bars and off I would go. I always thought it wasn’t that impressive. The run wasn’t flat either - I would run from the town of Springdale, UT all the way up the scenic drive in Zion National Park, allll the way to the end of the Narrows walking trail and back to town to my house.
Another time, I wanted to walk the maximum amount of miles that I could in a day. So I walked 30-something. I started at 6 am, walked to the other end of Zion National Park all the way to Kolob and then back. I made it back in time to get a burger before the restaurant closed. I was so thirsty for productive, challenging activity.
I did so many incredibly daunting tasks and didn’t really tell very many people. I finally started telling people recently because I can hardly believe I did those things and now as a more tired person I have admiration for the sheer amount of endless energy that I had.
This talk was really interesting and it’s made me look over several different aspects of my life and personality.
Thank you!
Hm. 36. Thyroid issues? No reason for your energy to evaporate like that 🤔 I enjoyed reading your comment, thanks!
18:00 imagination/fantasy is just extended truth.
This is an excellent framework. I have struggled with managing all five of these overexcitabilities my whole life. It’s great to have a new way to think about this.
Brilliant "Too Much". Labelled gifted, sensitive, highly creative, emotional but good nervous regulation. You can learn to drive your creativity, high energy seen as anxiety. I've always said energy. Mother said, "You need to be busy. She was right. As an adult- i see the blessing & curse. I learned quickly, but the ADHD arrived in college. Highly sensual, passion. Great Talk.
_I am an over-excitable -- to be sure! -- having been born during the exact moments of the full moon, at night, the Moon being in a water sign. Unfortunately, as a child, there was no one -- no adults -- around me who was able to recognize exceptional abilities in me. I was deemed mad instead, put on drugs. It wasn't until I suddenly took up the violin and composing classical music that a teacher taught me how to meditate and how to send light to people, healing them, at age 15. That was a turning point for my development. It's been a hard life. Most of all, I am sad I cannot find love, or have a family of my own._
I heard Dabrowski videos saying that the gifted needs help and therapy but different therapy than is provided in our system - not diagnosis, but support through the difficulties. So you can have a disorder as part of your OE and giftedness. This is obvious so Im a bit disappointed in this. Therefore I like comment/question at 34:24. I think the dark goes with the light. To assume that crying at a sunset does not come with the same intensity of darkness and emotional torment is to me just intuitively crazy. Borderline has no emotional skin, this means you feel Everything, light positive, and dark negative etc etc etc. Also on Impulsivity, this is just a having directed your intuition. I pray that these are not the opinions will change the really beautiful Dabrowski theory which actually gives hope and light to people who are experiencing heightened light and darkness. I understand that there could be a diagnosis without giftedness, but the thing is there can also be a diagnosis with giftedness and then you need to be recognised as such, helped, supported and allowed to grow with the gift etc. It is easy to dismiss someone who is gifted as being sick, when actually they are gifted but busy going through the disintegrating part of the positive disintegration. Dabrowski was clear that the negatives are not not part of the giftedness.
This is so true. The emotional highs I have experienced definitely go hand in hand with intense emotional lows. Medication diminishes the lows but it also diminishes the highs, which is something I don't wanna give up. It's a real dilemma.
But he mentions in his theory on personal disintegration that people with low lows tends to "evolve" easier on the 5 steps. Isnt that connected to the OE?
Oh my this is all me. I am 67. How can I go back and get all this understanding and support! :))
My oldest is gifted, and he can’t stand being touched. I’m also gifted, and can relate to the over empathetic connection.
heres the thing though, there is a significant possibility that high iq is often COMORBID meaning "co existing with" certain mental disorders such as ADHD, Bipolar, OCD and other such anxiety disorders, aspergers, and possibly depression.
Is this only me but growing up I fell so different growing up in paris and every-time someone have realised I was gifted and told me about it or even seeing all the description in this video making me emotional …
Jyro - yes! Me too! Someone gets you at last!!
37:00 I feel like it’s a tricky thing. Adhd does also come with problems wi5 emotional regulation. But depending on how that’s dealt with they can level out or embrace it. But all that energy and emotion probably has a good chance of becoming something negative or an emotional OE.
But listening in even further into the video. Yes it is important that we medicate it and I can see the slippery slope. This did just come after the part about neglecting depression and the issues with that.
Even furthermore. Autism ADHD Dislexia Psychopathy Genius and Over excitability are indicative of each other with how you operate. It’s the structures of the brain and how they are used by you that gives you your power. And through some form or another these developmental disorders can leave you with a structure that’s more advance or better than the average person. This can also come with some deficits. That’s why I feel while it’s not entirely same. These are all related to each other. A psychopath was probably born with one gift or two but couldn’t feel emotion. Ik my adhd causes a constant repeat in my head. A phrase will get repeated five times because it doesn’t feel right yet.(and this will happen 4-6 times for literally anything every 3 min) Is that ocd? Well it comes from an immediate feeling of that’s not right. And perhaps it happens because my emotions also tell me it’s important. But I also have the energy (which you said is important) to do all of this. So could it be said that the child was born with the energy given to you by over excitability? Were they born with the ability to perceive emotions stronger? I don’t think any of these are guaranteed. I think they are all possibilities born from disorders. Just like how an adult needs to relearn the wisdom of a child a person with a disorder can’t believe whole heartedly in it. There’s wisdom to be had from all sides. Ofc IM NOT A DOCTOR This is just my observations from research.
@23:09 I propose that sometimes anxieties and fears in those who are gifted can be caused by an experience due to overexcitability, but can fade as time goes on - especially in children whose brains are still developing. For example, I majorly have probably all the overexcitabilities, and when I was 4 years old, my parents made the mistake of taking me on a roller coaster. My 3-year-old half-sister and cousin LOVED it and were laughing & having fun the whole time. I, however, once we made it to the top of the first hill on the roller coaster, decided that being on it was NOT a good idea, so with 1 foot off the coaster car, I almost jumped off the thing without realizing I would die or be harmed, being that I was only 4 years old. My aunt grabbed me just in time and we finished the ride. For weeks or months after that, whenever I was riding in a car and we went over a hill, I would freak out crying and screaming, still with the memory of the roller coaster in my mind. That event had spurred fear and anxiety because my overexcitabilities caused me to experience being on the roller coaster so much more intensely than everyone else, and my little brain was too overwhelmed, but after some weeks or months, they went away and I never had a problem - and my parents learned to never take me on a ride like that ever again, lol. I ended up loving roller coasters as a teenager though. I think gifted children especially, due to not having a fully developed brain yet, can get overwhelmed by such things. As an adult - I am now 47 years old - I've learned how to stay grounded, embrace what I'm feeling, and ride any waves of emotion. I never feel anxious unless it's for good reason, and it passes when I address the root cause of it, and I never feel depressed - and that's not because my life hasn't been challenging, that's for sure. I 100% agree with you that overexcitabilities are a blessing. I am grateful I get to experience the world so intensely and beautifully.
An excellent video! Thank you 😊 I can honestly say ‘twitchy’ psychomotor isn’t appreciated in workplaces, as much as it’s not in schools... I guess I’ll have to wait a few more years for it to be a blessing! Loll.
It was a hell in elementary school
And Linda and her team said in 1991 I think (seeing this in another video by Susan Daniels now) that the gifted are vulnerable. to support my last comment that is.
The comments are reassuring in that clearly I am not alone in this.
Linda Silverman is such a badass
I had episode in my life where i was considering how people could process all the different activity they do just to live, functional. And i was overwhelmed, i could not withstand to all the information from social interaction mostly, they were so costly to me. Leaving me in such doubt of myself, filling alien. I had so much feeling, i was seeing so much thing, it was unbearable. And i withdraw from life completely for many years, all my life in fact. ( sound really like overfocus, i could not be just part in social interaction but completely in, everything else disappear)
Today trying to live again. A therapy begin which is for me just about having positive interaction, still feeling alien and in doubt but i hope i'll be able to live out a bit.
I've done a whole diagnostic of my situation and for the world outside.
If it can be heard maybe it's not true, if not it is !
Humanity has failed it's evolutionary process.
Hell is the promesse we've made to our children.
Humanity is the agent of life failure on Earth.
i feel i can hyper focus on something that interests me...but i feel i can do this less and less every year...used to have intense hyper focusing abilities....but now i feel more like neuro typical..i guess it faded
Avoid dairy products, wheat, nightshades and legumes - what a relief....
25:00 Really... they think only one exists and it is t even the most rational over excitability like emotion. It’s the learning aspect... Like isn’t the whole point of the whole theory conn3cting emotions to things? AND THEY considered logic connections to emotions before they consider emotional connections to emotions. Great job guys.
I've investigated some files. Where they spoke about overexitability of my son. When I read his file they were together excluding him. Wich is nothing more than discrimination. Exclusion.
I AGREE 100%
Try having a IQ of 170 and being looked over almost by (everyone). I mean you name it.
From what I've connected the dots to spells a systematic cover-up to hide higher intelligence (other worldly) type of mental processing.
I started doing research about 10 years ago on intelligence, and the results indicate, that i and all of humanity has been lied to about holistic/abstract intelligence.
I'm supposed to know how to interpret and transpose ancient inscriptions from pyramids, hyrogylphs etc.
But at the same time i can barely find a middle class job anywhere I've ever lived. Had to settle for warehouse labor jobs and customer service jobs, even though I've worked as drummer all my life!
@@james12erby43 I, too, began working as a drummer age 16, auditioned and hired as pit-drummer for touring Broadway shows; age 18 was on my own earning a living playing guitar; then entered university to study music composition with major in 18th Century Counterpoint; age 19 hired as percussionist for a symphony orchestra while simultaneously working in fine-dining kitchen brigades all the way to Executive Chef. By age 23, I had opened three restaurants and was already burned-out. I taught myself the art of screen printing and started a business. I was the world’s smallest company to be accepted as a vendor into the Dallas World Trade Center, smallest company to do business with Walmart (don’t).
This business continued for 30 years while I also composed and performed music. I had accumulated enough assets by age 50 to have retired but I kept pushing on through the fatigue. After a few years of psychoanalysis I recently closed the business at age 63 to focus on composing music for film/TV/adverts; etc. All this to say, it took a close look at my lifetime with a psychoanalyst to point out intellectual giftedness and to ask the question, “ Who Does This?”
James, which IQ test did you take?
I noticed that you name impulsivity as a trait of ADHD and not related to OEs. However in the paper "Reexamining Overexcitability: A Framework for Understanding Intense Experience" by Piechowski and Wells they list impulsive action as a sign of psychomotor OE. I'm still not convinced that they are separate.
Which of those authors are you?
Do we understand why there is discontent with "gifted land"? I also wonder how many of these supposide "gifted" candidates end up developing a tendency towards pathologically narcissistic traits as adults (gifting the rest of us with a surprise we wish could be returned).
Oh there are plenty of low IQ narcissists, they're just not as successful with their manipulation and may develop other more obvious problems like addiction or criminal behavior, less emotional stability when their ego is challenged, ect.
So interesting that she pleades for academia not to put down other people's work, only to continue by bashing the big 5 theory.
Thank you for an interesting lesson never the less.
!! the audio ! I can hear it! yahhhh.
Wunderbar.
My PhD about overexcitability and difficulty learning
Is it uploaded somewhere ?
Sometimes i feel like a nut, sometimes them dont.. Im a gifted person.. And i approve of this message.
very good
Can we make someone OCE by a program
omg...always wondered am i gifted? or do i just have adhd.... when she said adhd people are either on or off, that really switched a light on in my head....thats how people describe me...thats how i feel.... i wonder if you can have moderate adhd and emotional, intellectual and sensual OE
I wonder if overexcitability is the same thing as overstimulation?
No, the overexcitability is only expressed by some genetically preformed individuals.
The mainstream sheeple sleep intellectually during overstimulation.
I was a little bit curious as to why someone would suggest going to a baseball game wasn't a cultural pursuit. A play is written largely by one person's mind, interpreted by performers for an audience, which may largely have subjective, myopic, or inaccurate interpretations on the state of the human condition. I live in Hollywood, most art is bad and made ignorant unhealthy people who aren't interesting in reading Tolstoy or Doestoyevsky and dislike the Beatles.
A baseball game will have people from all walks of life, of different backgrounds, who come together to observe and event that largely has a consistent set of rules and chances. The decisions of the athletes and coaches can generally be analyzed very concretely, and there's almost always going to be considerable discourse, both by professional writers and by the masses about the events that transpired.
If a person was truly interested in the human condition, and position (the degree of progress being made) I think your odds are considerably higher at the ball game.
I understand that this video was released several years ago, but I really couldn't help myself.
A gifted adult: what is sad is when your own gifted won’t help you when I was functioning but bankrupt from trauma emotionally. A few words or presence would have done it. Trust you?
My ten gifted and empath books help me more than you ever did. Just want exposure of you to what’s out there.
The term 'overexcitabilities' is highly prejudicial. It sounds as if the individual who has this level of richness in lived experience has something wrong with them. The gifted, especially in the United States, have faced challenges as the result of prejudices--including an anti-intellectual strain in American culture. This term does far more harm than good.
I think the term gifted has a stigma too because it’s the kind of term that invites bitchiness from jealous people.
@@tracik1277
special has a stigma too
special can be view in both a negative and positive way
I am former special education student, and I was even misplaced with intellectually disabled children.
I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD.
I can strongly relate to all 5 Overexcitabilities, but I do not view myself as being gifted.
I think that my neurodivergent conditions stem from Overexcitabilities that are extreme.
omega level here
Overexcitbility. Who coined that term. What it is is positive energy when channeled properly can be used in the most positive ways. Some people I know would give their right arm for my energy. Entraprenour magazine said that energy is 85% of the dynamic. If you don’t have it, they said do something like catering to people or you won’t get ahead.
IQ 116 Lol! I don't even understand how levers work. I was placed in remedial sets at school but despite having a supervised Mensa IQ in the 'High Average' range I just couldn't do the work in my first year at secondary school.
nice
1.75x
MAybe Big Five could be a useful tool (Excvuse me, JB Peterson), had it been more nuanced and unambiguous as well as more exact than it is, as well as having a parameter for health, state and situation. And maybe a parameter also for whethere one should answer according to one's real, normal personality, the typical, - or according to effects of harm upon harm, trauma upin trauma, dire need upon dire need, gone one for very long and still goingon. BIG difference from having a functional situation and everyday life.AND one should be able to see all Qs whenever wished, to see whether a Q turns up later in a different, better way. there are too few choices, and toosuperficial questions, where I don't fit in and get anxious wanting to be precise and honest . And some thinsg tdepends on how one thinks, what is meant.
I see your plot
Wow… The group of academics who believe these overexcitability does not exist just outed themselves as not gifted. 😂🤣😂 23:50. #denial #haters
Why are there only women in the audience?
Seriously??? I've noticed at least two men in this audience. Why even post such a ridiculous comment?
Women are overrepresented in education.
Or, why aren’t there more men in the audience?
This lady confuses truth/fatcs with illusionThere is no such ting as habving too much energy, ADHD and workaholics are not strong, but weak, becuase of biochemichal imbalances and various issues.
"Followers" in Alberta is the indication THEY were the ones misinterpreting and misrepresenting. It's frequently like that. Particularly after an independent thinker's death. Unpredictability makes us too dangerous while we're still alive anyway but maturity recognizes the corruption inherent in the guru/follower relationship and resists it. Apparently Dubrovski was big on Jesus and I think he's absolutely correct but understanding Jesus within the context of his induced messianic delusion being a proxied factitious illness consistent with sequelae of his mother's Munchausen is an indication why he did not reject the guru-follower paradigm IMO. Nietzsche talked about this (minus the Jesus) in Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Normalized Insanity
I am a transistorized, transgenderized, transmogrified, trans-human
A corporatized, commercialized, industrial strength consumer
A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak
A social climbing networker that's always on heat
I got my education majoring in indoctrination
Where they taught me to comply, to never question why
And so I'm chasing an illusion of success that's a delusion
That's sending me insane, exploding my brain
And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct
I always wear a smile coz I'm living in denial
Chronic fatigue and TPD = death sentence in Australia
You should give up on politics and enjoy your life more.
the audience does not look like real OE people. BS
Overexcitability = an IQ of 150 to 160 in the cognitive domain !! THIS is the REAL Genius/Profoundly Gifted Archetype profound processing thought process/(experiments)
I sure as fuck have everything way more intensely, and sensitively. Even existential depression since 5th grade would be considered an overexcitability. Pretty sure it's not limited to 150+ people
@@sirprize5191 I'm pretty sure you're right
@@RonaldBradycptgmpy Processing thought was found to change more in the ranges he described but gifted OE's start in the 130 ranges mostly
Niet P Right, that’s actually what I was thinking about. About people that break the 120 IQ threshold. I’ve seen the same thing happen around 125, so 130 makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification
@@RonaldBradycptgmpy Do you believe in an IQ test's ability to be reliably accurate though? One girl in my class was so insane and genius level with poems. She could learn and perform exceptionally, but I doubt she was any good at math. Like, IQ is patterns for the most part, it's way more related to spatial skills which is connected to math. Even visual brain areas light up for math. She also had an androgenized brain common in gifted people, she definitely was gifted. Except she'd probably not perform according to expectations because IQ task is more math/visual. Do you think IQ tests are reliable at all?
Complete pseudoscience. Elaine Aron, part two. Unhelpful to platform her. 🙄
real niggas linkin up