@@loganwolv3393 some do list tdp but you have to dig in their 20 pages documentation to find that out, do you expecting most consumers to do so ? cuz none retailers list it so far in my place
the "M" specification that have been removed with the introduction of the GTX 1000 mobile GPUs really should be coming back. when you were buying a laptop with a GTX 970M back in the day, you knew what you were getting, and oyu knew that the chip wasn't as powerful as a GTX 970. The GTX 1000 mobile were very close to the desktop parts, and it made sense back in the day (especially for the 1050 and 1050Ti Mobile that were really widespread) nowadays with RTX 2000 and 3000 Mobile being very, very diffrent from their desktop counterpart, callling a Mobile GPU a "RTX 3080" is false advertisment at worst (since it isn't even a GA102, at least RTX 2000 Laptop chips were using the same die, granted a TU102 never made its way into a laptop anyway), or misleading marketing at best. Either way, it is really easy to get lost if you're not tech savy enough to see the diffrence between a mobile RTX 3080, and differentiate what the performance will be based on the max power that the GPU can access to.
Said it before and I'll say it again. These mobile chips have no business being called anything similar to the desktop cards, you give them a unique number so people aren't taken for a ride.
Also "Max-Q", meaning you will get a LESS POWERFUL than the same one without the "Max-Q" branding... Almost like the "Turbo button" which used to throttle your cpu :D
@@SoKette They could just do what ATI did and get rid of the numbers for the mobile chips. Just call them 'RTX graphics' with Pro and Graphics suffixes, not like they have many mobile chips in a series to necessitate numbers anyway.
Nonsense. They are great in price/performance and availability. You're just not laptop gamers and want to throw shit our way with all your cases, power adaptors, liquid cooling systems and all the bling bling, waiting for the "real thing" for ludicrous prices, while we get 25% less performance at half the wattage for much less. Go buy a second hand burned out card from a mining rig and shut it.
Well, GTX 1080 desktop variant is a 180W TDP part at reference spec . So it is really easy to match the performance in a mobile form factor. Reference RTX 3080 desktop is a 320W TDP part, but laptops can only take up to 150W part. There is a huge difference in power budget that explains the big difference in performance. But look at it this way, why has the 80 series desktop Nvidia GPU suffer so badly in efficiency. From a 180W part to a 320W part.
@@bigpp7716 i would expect that of a desktop replacement laptop like the msi titan not this form factor which is more portable. A 3080 desktop costs the same as this laptop in my region. I dont care about msrp, since no one sells at that price.
Right? Unfortunately the difference almost always comes out to actual laptop vs actual laptop, not part-vs-part, since these companies cut huge corners for cooling and power delivery.
I have Alienware a51m r2 2080 180W and i got the same or better FPS on cyberpunk with ultra preset like the vid, so kinda makes me confused, i know 3080 beats it with Ray-tracing but with RAW power think its not better than 2080 super 180W, can be wrong but i need a video to show me the diference....
In the review that GizmoSlipTech did of Asus Strix G17...during the benchmarks the 130w RTX 3070 inside the G17 was outperforming previous generation RTX 2070 and 2080 laptops...so a RTX 3080 with similar or more power limit should outperform a 2080 as well imo
@@EliteDeathSquad thats why o asked for alienware a51m r2 i7 and 2080super with 180W especific. Cause in the vid i only have cyberpunk and if i put cyberpunk with the same ultra preset i got the same or better fps, well it goes from 65and 77 fps in max crowded City, and in missions from 70ies to 91-92 fps in missions and while in action. Thats why i dont think its as linear as you say, of course having a desktop CPU helps but anyways o would like to see it.
@@derptyderp5287 I would call 370€ gpu an entry if it is selling for retail price, 3050 exists tho, stated by gamer nexus that 3050 and 3050ti will join desktop too later this year but the thing is finding one for normal is almost impossible.
If you oc a 3060ti it becomes a 3070, so it's actually worse. I think the 3060 desktop is best since I've seen it in cheap laptops and has a good amount of power.
They shouldn't be allowed to give it the same product name. It performs anywhere from 20% to 50% worse. That's like the difference between a 2060 and a 2070, or even worse, a 2060 and a 2080. Imagine if you bought and paid for a 2080 but it was just a 2060 with a different label on it, you'd be PISSED. The low wattage laptop GPU's are literally two products lower than a desktop GPU with the same name.
They should just shift the whole naming stack one or two levels and classify mobile gpus the same as their performance-equivalent desktop counterparts. Then no matter what did it's made of or the power configuration, if it matches the performance of a desktop 3070, it's a 3070m. And then the consumer will know exactly what to expect when they buy it.
Great breakdown. I noticed this same thing years ago when I went with a gaming laptop for the first time. It was disappointing but at least Nvidia used the "M" chip designation so comparisons were clear when a consumer looked it up.
@@DBTHEPLUG ruclips.net/video/q_scO-YhjPI/видео.html Here. Despite a worse processor and ram it still spits out similar fps to the desktop 1050 while maintaining similar temps.
End users would be much more appreciative if they called this a 3060 Ti laptop and might even be okay calling it a 3070 laptop. That way they can do their own benchmarks and not think WTF ...
Considering its ga104 I'm surprised how high the performance is really. Bad naming of course, but looks like a good buy if you know what you're getting. I guess the main trouble is most consumers don't.
I really like that you highlight Gpus in the graphs when you talk about a specific gpu. Makes it much easier to to follow along in the string of numbers.
Me: It's a GA-104 die isn't it? Nvidia: yup. Me: It has ≈ 6000 CUDA cores like the desktop RTX 3070? Nvidia: yup. Me: It has GDDR6 memory? Nvidia: yup. Me: It has 256-bit width like the desktop 3070 right? Nvidia: makes sense to me. Me: IT'S AN RTX 3070 THEN!! Nvidia: RTX 3080.
i bet the 80 watt 3080 laptop gpu is more on par with the RTX 3060 desktop, if your lucky the 3060Ti in some titels, or in betwean those 2. Still impressive if it can pull that off at 80watt tho, but still garbage for naming.
@@AdaaDK probably even less the 3080 laptop gpu they are calling uses the ga 104 die and has a very similar core count to the 3070 and the same gddr6 not 6x of the 3080. the laptop 3080 is closer to a 3070 then it is a 3080 its more like a 3070ti as it has a few more cuda cores. but with its lower power limits of 80-155 watts vs the 200 for the 3060ti or 220 for the 3070 you can bet if will fall behind even at the higher power limit versions. the 80 watt version will be a crime in of its self to even be called a 3080. it will be a similar thing to what happened in the 20 series where a higher power limit 3060ti or 3070 laptop could be better then a power limited 3080 one
This scales exactly as expected. A ~150W GPU would fall right there on a PC. Honestly just take a similar GPU and limit to to 150W and see what happens!
My daughter has the exact same MSI laptop and it is not well built. The screen has begun to separate from the outer frame in one corner. It's about to be returned. Maybe luck of the draw, who knows. However, I would consider something else if you're looking to splash big bucks on a pricey laptop.
I have some msi laptop with a 10200h or sonethint and low power 3060. It runs games well but does kinda feel flimsy at times but it is not falling appart or anything, looks fine.
Last MSi laptop I had the hinges cracked and broke (typical for MSi as the forums were packed with this complaint). The Steelseries keyboard fell apart within months and the headphone jack failed. Not impressed for $3k. MSi rebuilt it under warranty and what I got back was basically a completely different laptop, different chassis, different keyboard etc. The Asus laptop I bought has been flawless and so has the Acer Predator. Zero issues for both.
If anyone here is in the market for a laptop, consider getting the 115w 2070/2070s last gen laptops. Mine is getting fps very close to the 80-90w 3070 in gaming benchmarks, and the older laptops are much less expensive and still have the 240hz ips screens.
The difference is price though, the entire Asus G15 3080 laptop is currently available and in stock for $1999, the 3060 ti desktop gpu costs almost that much alone right now.
Biggest issue is one laptop could be 80w, and another could be 150w. And the difference is huge. The version tested in this video is 135w, so fairly high end
Good video, but some small errors. AFAIK, the GE76 bottoms out at 150w with a 5w boost, and can run at that wattage comfortably with the cpu at max wattage too. Also, it has a mux switch to bypass the integrated gpu without an external monitor. Plus there are advanced bios options to squeeze out even more performance. I mean, I agree with most the video, but in most reviews the Raider generally does better, often meeting the 3070. Sure, it's not a 3080, but it's the closest thing to a desktop 3070 you can get these days.
I freakin love that you guys put doctor evil on the thumbnail 😂 Made me laugh even before I watched the vid. Keep being awesome guys! And keep calling out misleading industry shenanigans.
Real shame that no one tests RTX 3060 and 3060 Ti against RTX 3080 Mobile 165W. From tests the RTX 3080 Mobile 165W is on par with desktop RTX 3070 in some games and mostly on par with 3060 Ti.
because they're rogue gpus, rtx3070/70ti/80 laptop is actually rtx3060ti/70/70ti desktop (code name ga104) and rtx3080ti laptop is rtx a5500 laptop/desktop (ga103) meanwhile rtx3080/80ti/90/90ti has code name ga102
Names aside, I'm blown away that a lot of laptops can now get so surprisingly close to desktop fps. It wasn't long ago that 1/3 to 1/2 the performance was expected.
I'm not an expert and I'm not really into 4k or 2k gaming yet. I got my hands on an ASUS Ryzen 9 and RTX 3080 with 32gb of ram and I get 65-85 fps (sometimes even higher) on most of my games on 1080p 300hz 17.3 and I'm happy with it. I travel a lot because of my job and I needed a powerhouse for gaming and this is the best thing I could go for. These are the games I played on it ever I since I bought it all at pretty much maximum/Ultra settings RDR2 : 65-92 Cyberpunk : 45-70 (Ray Tracing High, DLSS ON) Also FPS is not always stable but for that I blame the game not the Laptop Call of Duty Cold War : 100/130 (rarely 95) AC Odyssey : 70 AC Valhalla : 50-61 (Not sure why it's lower then 60 most of the times) Watch Dogs Legion : 35 with RT. 62-67 without RT Horizon Zero Dawn : 72-80 (surprisingly well) Resident Evil Village : around 80-85 (Drops to 20-27 when The Daughters of Lady Dimitrescu attack but that's like till you get away from them) Doom Eternal : 130-160 All the games above tested in Turbo mode. Now I just hope it will last for at least 3-4 years even tho it's brand new still like 1 month old. Overall...I think it's the best thing I got my hands on and I'm very happy with it. Battery is my only problem. Like 3-4 hours tops in Turbo but if you're at home you can always just plug it in and then no problems
Please could you guys do some testing of CTR 2.1 now it supports individual core auto adjustment versus PBO and CO in games and productivity tasks please? I tried version 2.0 before and didn't gain much other than power efficiency but the new version is meant to perform better in both 2 threaded and 4 threaded workloads such as games much better than before. Thanks for this video as well, good to know if buying a laptop for gaming
If the TDP is in the same ballpark it's likely performing similar, just don't expect much from GPU's with the same name where 1 is a 200W+ part and the other ~100W... This is all just thermal constraints for laptops.
115W vs 170W respectively. Don't expect similar performance. If it was possible to get close with only 115W then they'd be using a similar spec card for desktops instead of requiring 170W.
Rewatching this video again, and I'm worried about what the RTX 40-series Laptop GPU can be. With the rumored higher TGP requirement than the 30-series, the highest TGP RTX 4080 Laptop GPU might perform like the RTX 4050 desktop GPU at best.
Why did you test 1080p with optimus on when the GE76 has a mux switch which can bypass optimus even on the internal display? The XMG 3070 laptop used was tested without optimus i believe
So basically my 17" laptop that is coming tomorrow with 165w 3080, 5900HX and 1440P screen will be able to play stuff at 60 FPS+ at 1440P. Good enough for me. This laptop has really good thermal and gpu performance, gets a 12500 on time spy which is the highest I have seen (or at least near the very top) for laptop. I really want to be able to make use of the 1440p resolution. After watching HDR movies at 4K on an asus 17 and even 1440P on the very same laptop that my friend has (what convinced me to buy one), it's hard to go back to 1080P. It's called the Infinity M7 here and I think it's XMG neo or something overseas. I believe the only downside is the 230w power brick, so the cpu can't maintain maximum boost when the gpu is using 165 watt, but the good thing is that you can adjust all the power levels individually, so if a game is really cpu heavy, can strike the right balance. Oh and it has a mux switch, yay. I compared every existing 3080 laptop and many of them are getting thrashed by the 3070 version of the laptop I am buying, or also the alienware X17 3070 for example, cause they use low watt 90 to 105w 3080 which makes a massive difference and the likes of the alienware use the max wattage. BTW I am happy to drop to high at 1440, don't need ultra, really. The resolution is better IMO and high is always good enough. I was a bit concerned I wouldn't be able to game at 1440P but this has eased my concerns. I still don't see any point in 4K laptops for gaming though, like what ASUS Rog is doing. Pointless! PS My 3yo Aorus X5 V8 with GTX 1070 that benches 5900 on timespy has still never let me down for 1080P ultra or high in modern games.. :) The killer is ray tracing on the newer cards but DlSS can balance stuff out too. I think for 4K laptops, DLSS is a must.. DLSS at 1440P real mode with upscaling to 4K.
it made sense to remove the M branding for the 1000 series as the gpus in laptops at the time were very close to there desktop counter parts. but starting with the 20 series and its increased power limits in desktop to where we are now with even high power limits you just cant match the higher end gpus power draw in a laptop and contain its heat. this gen the 3060 has almost the same tdp as the 1080 so its quite understand able why there is so much of an issue trying to scale such high wattage parts to a laptop. they really need to bring back M or some other letter these days as gone are the 1000 series golden days. but it also shows how poor we have done in watt to performance that we had to just cram power into a architechture to get performance improvments
A 6800xt test where the card is undervolted to 150w to simulate a high end 3080 competitor in laptop form would be a interesting video. If you have a ghost canyon nuc the system removed from it's case would be the best test system. With direct Pcie connection between CPU and GPU. Cheers
I feel like this is why the 3060 Ti exists in the first place considering the same GA104 silicon. Nvidia usually releases their main line desktop GPUs first then the Ti variants after. But the 3060 Ti came about before the 3060 was even a thing. Chance are they were already testing and making these chips for the laptop market and the lower binned less efficient chips were repurposed for the desktop as the 3060 Ti.
@@MadHattedLion welp that makes sense a bit, 3060ti is the best price to performance gpu and is even more demanding then 3080. As well releasing ti varient gives us an idea they soon their will be a no ti verient as well or had forgotten amd has 6900xt but no 6900 no xt so you goi g to say 6900xt shouldn't exists??? As there is no predecessor.
Thank you hardware Unboxed i remember you blowing up these shady practices way back with the whole Max-Q laptop scam. If it wasn't for you i would never have know that their was a difference between desktop GPU's and their mobile counterparts. Its for this reasoning i have never considered a laptop to this day, and have warned at-least five people i know of this problem who are noobs to hardware purchasing. Guys who would have if not for your information through me bought RTX gaming laptops to do live streaming with. In the end if each of your viewers can save one extra potential customer from being mislead its a big win.
Is it better to use an external Desktop GPU in such a case for a laptop? Not that I have a laptop. But just curious if an external Desktop GPU connected to a laptop is better than the laptop GPUs itself ✌🏻
00:37 In nVidia marketing speak. In reality, it's 3072 CUDA cores, with the possibility of doing two FP32 instructions rather than one FP32 instruction and one INT32 instruction per cycle (the latter being required to qualify as a "CUDA core", given that CUDA supports integer math). The scaling of this dual-FP32 capability seems to be about 30% of the total capacity, meaning that 3072 Ampere core count is roughly equivalent to 4000 Turing cores. The desktop 3080, in contrast, has 4352 Ampere CUDA cores, which are roughly equivalent to 5600 Turing CUDA cores.
This is really pertinent. I'm using a zephyrus g15 with a monitor and I'm wondering if (once there's GPU availability) I wouldnt have a better experience just building a desktop.
The Clevos uses MXM modules of 165 watts and with performance closer to the desktop 3070 . It is running a desktop CPU and thicker form factor with better cooling
here's my problem with this video to start yeah power different less core's diff clock speed we all know that so it's gonna be worse but my real problem is when tim talk's about the "mom's and dad's" yeah the name's are stupid and should be different so people can tell the diff but i think anyone can walk in and get a laptop when they want a laptop or a desktop when they want a desktop Also comparing the market's well i can pay upto 2700 for a graphics card or i can get a full system screen keyboard mouse (track pad) and it sit's on my lap. yes the desktop get's screwed but i think that if you want to buy a gpu like right now but not got to much money i think people will look past the lower perfomance for the newer thing. i may be missing the whole point but still gonna thumbs up the vid as there was a load of effort put into it and i don't see me ranting to stop it being good
If you want something "right now" you're going to pay too much even if you go for a laptop. If you're willing to wait and try your luck at the fe cards (in regions they're actually available or shipped to) then you're still better off going the desktop route. Don't get me wrong, the laptops are good, but people saying the laptop prices are good because they're comparing them to horribly scalped GPU prices is just daft, you're getting shafted one way or another, the only way to avoid it is patience and a little tenacity. My desktop with a 3070 came to £1600 and most people don't have use for a 12 core cpu or 32GB of ram... You could grab a better screen than you'll find on any laptop and still come out cheaper than a much lower performing laptop. I honestly think if people stopped buying overpriced things and calling them good value, we might actually get some good value.
So let me get this straight, we can buy a TDP limited laptop 3080 with 16 gigs of hot GDDR6X VRAM or a full power desktop 3080 with 10 GBs of VRAM......This is fine?...??
From graphs I have seen even some Max Q variants of 2080 Super are matching fps with 3070 and quite a few 3080's. Depending on your model, I would say no.
I'm curious to see how much wattage plays in the equation of a mobile GPU performance. A video comparing a mobile GPU with the desktop counterpart limited to the same wattage would be really interesting and appreciated.
I just asked my wife (not a techy) what she would expect the performance of a desktop gpu and a laptop gpu if they had the same name. She said “I would expect them to perform the same”. And there’s the problem...;)
When was the last time they had a different die for the mobile verison of an 80 GPU? With Turing the 2080/2080 Super, mobile chips had the same specs for Cuda cores, TMUs, ROPS, RT cores etc. In my Aorus 17X with a 2080 Super the only real difference was the 200W power limit. I've mostly retired my laptop from gaming now that my desktop is built, but it would have been nice to see a high wattage 2080 Super in the comparison so we could get a generational comparison between the 3080 mobile and 2080 Super mobile.
I'm pleasantly surprised. I recently bought my girl friend a new laptop with a mobil 3080, and was originally disappointed that I had to get a 3080 instead of the 3070 I wanted. The vendor I went with forced that upgrade, otherwise I'd have to get an intel 10 series instead of AMD 5 series, and that wasn't happening, so I paid the extra and got the 3080. It was quite a bit more expensive, but she is loooving minecraft RTX and it runs really smooth maxed out with fancy textures and all.
could you guys please compare the RTX 3080 8gb vs 16GB, I think that vram is the only big advantage the 3080 has over the 3070, especially for productivity tasks.
Am I missing something, what's the point of all that power in that laptop when the screen is still only 1080p? why cant they build it with a screen that's capable of higher than 1080.
Since they cannot apply desktop performance to laptops, they should give laptop GPU's different names. I think laptop GPU's should have 5 numbers, like 3055 (current 3060), 3065 (current 3070), and 3075 (current 3080). Especially when considering the laptop GPU's have completely different power outputs, and on top of that even have different dies and amounts of CUDA cores in many cases, naming them on par with the desktop GPU variants is simply dishonest.
Neither your idea, or the M version would work, due to the different TDP models within each mobile 30 series card . They should be called BOTH the M+ a W + the number of watts the card is setup for in each different laptop, that would make it much more clear what kind of preformance the card can mannage.
@@AdaaDK Yes, they should ALSO make it more clear what performance it could manage, like giving the wattage, but they should still be named differently to desktop gpu's to avoid confusion, since even at the top wattage and performance they are never going to be anywhere near as good as desktop gpu's. For instance 3065 (100 watt ). Maybe another explanation could be applied to them as well, so people could easily tell whether it was a high performance version, mid level, or low performance but higher battery life with lower power consumption. Like maybe something like 3065 (115Watt++). No plus for lower power/performance, One plus for mid level performance, and two plusses for high power consumption & high performance. Then you have most of the information you need. I still think it is dishonest to put the same model on a laptop GPU compared to a desktop GPU. None of them are even in the same class range. It's not a small performance drop, it's literally 20% minimum and more than 50% maximum.
@@thejollysloth5743 3080m =/= 3080 It's an old naming convention that everyone understands. Naming them on par with the m qualifier allows the user to know it's the laptop equivalent of series and model. Anyone who has any clue about computers knows the difference. Your proposed idea of calling the laptop 3080 a 3075 is in fact worse, because it implies the laptop "3075" performs better than the desktop 3070 which simply isn't true. Your solution would further muddy the waters.
I'm quite happy with my Legion 5 pro. Paid 1700 euros and plays my AAA games at 1440P no problem. Just lower a few settings to high and you're good to go. On a 16 inch QHD 165hz panel it wil look impressive, trust me.
The only problem is the naming scheme, really. Besides that it's actually pretty amazing with 3060Ti level on a way lower tdp~ No idea how they manage to do that and why they can't just use that same config on a desktop card. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
Seems like they opted to use the GA104 die instead of the GA102 due to how hot and power demanding the desktop 3080s are. You would probably need to make a big chungus laptop like the Alienware a51m series to handle the GA102.
I appreciate your videos, I was ready to purchase my second 3070 laptop but have decided to go with a desktop setup instead. The difference doest justify buying a gaming laptop imo
Any parent that walks into a store to buy their kid a 3080 gaming laptop, has more pressing problems than not knowing the difference between a laptop and a regular GPU.
I’d be shocked if a parent was willing to drop the money for their kid on something like that. More like PC gaming enthusiasts who want a laptop for whatever reason and can afford it I’d imagine. Parents are gonna go lower end for their kids would be my expectation.
Might be not close to the desktop but very decent for laptop still. I think overall results for all games might be higher also with amd cpus and 3080, not just in those games which were better with amd in that video. Since cpu overhead is still there imo. To test it you might try to increase power limit for 3070 to be on par with power limit on 3080 to see how close it can be.
Ah YES! The modern jungle of laptop model names and the fact that you never know if a GPU is set to 80w or 130w....
For real? don't they list the TDP in the specifications? Because they do for desktop GPU's where it's probably less needed to do so.
Many OEMs now do list it
@@loganwolv3393 some do list tdp but you have to dig in their 20 pages documentation to find that out, do you expecting most consumers to do so ? cuz none retailers list it so far in my place
It's easy to get around. Just don't buy any crap laptop.. no matter 'how good' it seems to be.
Getting ripped of is not the way to go.
@@hoangd4132 Well that's really weird...it's so twisted... thankfully we have hardware unboxed to inform us about this.
I miss the M naming in GPUs, at least then you knew what you're buying.
M in Spanish is the initial letter of "mierda" (shit), so you can imagine we knew what it meant xd
...Which is probably why they dropped it.
Yes M and U too. Now intel is seeing some G and T 🤨
Pascal was nvidia's biggest mistake, it set such expectation for consumers that just isn't possible anymore
@@hoangd4132 yeah 1080 Ti is probably the best GPU ever. It was expensive at the time but we had no idea what's coming...
the "M" specification that have been removed with the introduction of the GTX 1000 mobile GPUs really should be coming back.
when you were buying a laptop with a GTX 970M back in the day, you knew what you were getting, and oyu knew that the chip wasn't as powerful as a GTX 970.
The GTX 1000 mobile were very close to the desktop parts, and it made sense back in the day (especially for the 1050 and 1050Ti Mobile that were really widespread)
nowadays with RTX 2000 and 3000 Mobile being very, very diffrent from their desktop counterpart, callling a Mobile GPU a "RTX 3080" is false advertisment at worst (since it isn't even a GA102, at least RTX 2000 Laptop chips were using the same die, granted a TU102 never made its way into a laptop anyway), or misleading marketing at best. Either way, it is really easy to get lost if you're not tech savy enough to see the diffrence between a mobile RTX 3080, and differentiate what the performance will be based on the max power that the GPU can access to.
Said it before and I'll say it again. These mobile chips have no business being called anything similar to the desktop cards, you give them a unique number so people aren't taken for a ride.
Also "Max-Q", meaning you will get a LESS POWERFUL than the same one without the "Max-Q" branding... Almost like the "Turbo button" which used to throttle your cpu :D
@@SoKette They could just do what ATI did and get rid of the numbers for the mobile chips. Just call them 'RTX graphics' with Pro and Graphics suffixes, not like they have many mobile chips in a series to necessitate numbers anyway.
Nonsense. They are great in price/performance and availability. You're just not laptop gamers and want to throw shit our way with all your cases, power adaptors, liquid cooling systems and all the bling bling, waiting for the "real thing" for ludicrous prices, while we get 25% less performance at half the wattage for much less. Go buy a second hand burned out card from a mining rig and shut it.
Well, GTX 1080 desktop variant is a 180W TDP part at reference spec . So it is really easy to match the performance in a mobile form factor. Reference RTX 3080 desktop is a 320W TDP part, but laptops can only take up to 150W part. There is a huge difference in power budget that explains the big difference in performance. But look at it this way, why has the 80 series desktop Nvidia GPU suffer so badly in efficiency. From a 180W part to a 320W part.
* getting RTX 3080 laptop because can't get desktop one *
Tim: "Not even close"
OK ... :(
Miners will have bought them 1st anyway...
Just like all mobile gpus
People really think you'd get desktop performance on a laptop?
@@gus8426 I mean, they’re probably expecting it to not have a friggin 25% difference
@@bigpp7716 i would expect that of a desktop replacement laptop like the msi titan not this form factor which is more portable.
A 3080 desktop costs the same as this laptop in my region. I dont care about msrp, since no one sells at that price.
So the 3080m uses 17% more power than the 3070m and delivers 19% more performance?
Wow, amazing engineering nvidia. Totally not arbitrary power limit.
Its the same chip after all, unlike desktop
3:06 🥰
I see the love ❤
Release the video
when will you review the legion 5 pro vs legion 5i?
Aussie conspiracy senses tingling.
Best laptop reviews period!!!
I'm actually more interested in seeing the difference between the last gen 2080 laptop and the 3080 laptop.
Right? Unfortunately the difference almost always comes out to actual laptop vs actual laptop, not part-vs-part, since these companies cut huge corners for cooling and power delivery.
Man, I want to upgrade my 2080 laptop and was really watching this for that comparison.. So disappointed.
I have Alienware a51m r2 2080 180W and i got the same or better FPS on cyberpunk with ultra preset like the vid, so kinda makes me confused, i know 3080 beats it with Ray-tracing but with RAW power think its not better than 2080 super 180W, can be wrong but i need a video to show me the diference....
In the review that GizmoSlipTech did of Asus Strix G17...during the benchmarks the 130w RTX 3070 inside the G17 was outperforming previous generation RTX 2070 and 2080 laptops...so a RTX 3080 with similar or more power limit should outperform a 2080 as well imo
@@EliteDeathSquad thats why o asked for alienware a51m r2 i7 and 2080super with 180W especific. Cause in the vid i only have cyberpunk and if i put cyberpunk with the same ultra preset i got the same or better fps, well it goes from 65and 77 fps in max crowded City, and in missions from 70ies to 91-92 fps in missions and while in action. Thats why i dont think its as linear as you say, of course having a desktop CPU helps but anyways o would like to see it.
Love the thumbnail
RTX 3080 laptop = Desktop 3060 Ti. Great vid.
Sightly behind the 2080TI Desktop Gpu (the ultimate gpu from last gen dektop) , wich is very nice for a mobile gpu. GG Nvidia :D
@@maratah 10% slower then 2080ti mean 2080Super or 3060ti + 3060ti is like an entry lvl gpu desktop and 3080 is the high end gpu for laptop
@@hurairaqureshi1031 I dunno if I'd call a £370 gpu "entry level." I don't think entry level exists anymore.
@@derptyderp5287 I would call 370€ gpu an entry if it is selling for retail price, 3050 exists tho, stated by gamer nexus that 3050 and 3050ti will join desktop too later this year but the thing is finding one for normal is almost impossible.
If you oc a 3060ti it becomes a 3070, so it's actually worse.
I think the 3060 desktop is best since I've seen it in cheap laptops and has a good amount of power.
Crazy how they are allowed to blur the lines this much & still call it the same thing.
It's just not what it's being called.
They shouldn't be allowed to give it the same product name. It performs anywhere from 20% to 50% worse.
That's like the difference between a 2060 and a 2070, or even worse, a 2060 and a 2080.
Imagine if you bought and paid for a 2080 but it was just a 2060 with a different label on it, you'd be PISSED.
The low wattage laptop GPU's are literally two products lower than a desktop GPU with the same name.
It's a disgrace that such INTENTIONAL misleading marketing is allowed. Nvidia disgust me and they will never get a penny from me again. EVER.
They should just shift the whole naming stack one or two levels and classify mobile gpus the same as their performance-equivalent desktop counterparts. Then no matter what did it's made of or the power configuration, if it matches the performance of a desktop 3070, it's a 3070m. And then the consumer will know exactly what to expect when they buy it.
That’s actually a really good idea mate.
Too sensible, the marketing department would never allow for this. Also, this way the 3070 will be the highest end laptop, no 3080.
If it’s 3070 performance it should be called that way. Why change the name to 3070M?
Great breakdown. I noticed this same thing years ago when I went with a gaming laptop for the first time. It was disappointing but at least Nvidia used the "M" chip designation so comparisons were clear when a consumer looked it up.
Don't know man. My laptops 1050 kicked ass on launch. Beat the desktop one.
@@siyzerix sure
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Here. Despite a worse processor and ram it still spits out similar fps to the desktop 1050 while maintaining similar temps.
End users would be much more appreciative if they called this a 3060 Ti laptop and might even be okay calling it a 3070 laptop. That way they can do their own benchmarks and not think WTF ...
but then it's just won't feel right to spend $2500+ and only got 3060ti or 3070. greedy companies just can't charge people that much anymore
Considering its ga104 I'm surprised how high the performance is really. Bad naming of course, but looks like a good buy if you know what you're getting. I guess the main trouble is most consumers don't.
Should have used a designation like 3080M, just like back in the 900 series days
there would not be any issues if they called it a 3080m and 3070m.
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS not really, historically the m gpus already are a class below.
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS uh oh
"A good buy," yikes.
In dept video, Thank you. Hope this video gets viral and more people get informed! :)
Always love an Austin Powers reference. How much does a GPU cost these days? *One billion dollars!*
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Nvidia: It's an RTX 3080 in a laptop!
Hardware unboxed: Riiiiiiiiiight...
"3080" (air quotes)
I really like that you highlight Gpus in the graphs when you talk about a specific gpu. Makes it much easier to to follow along in the string of numbers.
Me: It's a GA-104 die isn't it?
Nvidia: yup.
Me: It has ≈ 6000 CUDA cores like the desktop RTX 3070?
Nvidia: yup.
Me: It has GDDR6 memory?
Nvidia: yup.
Me: It has 256-bit width like the desktop 3070 right?
Nvidia: makes sense to me.
Me: IT'S AN RTX 3070 THEN!!
Nvidia: RTX 3080.
I wish there was more mobile vs desktop benchmarks, especially in the CPU and APU space, thanks for making this video
The difference between an 80 watt RTX 3080 Laptop GPU and a desktop 3080 must be insane
i bet the 80 watt 3080 laptop gpu is more on par with the RTX 3060 desktop, if your lucky the 3060Ti in some titels, or in betwean those 2. Still impressive if it can pull that off at 80watt tho, but still garbage for naming.
@@AdaaDK probably even less the 3080 laptop gpu they are calling uses the ga 104 die and has a very similar core count to the 3070 and the same gddr6 not 6x of the 3080. the laptop 3080 is closer to a 3070 then it is a 3080 its more like a 3070ti as it has a few more cuda cores. but with its lower power limits of 80-155 watts vs the 200 for the 3060ti or 220 for the 3070 you can bet if will fall behind even at the higher power limit versions. the 80 watt version will be a crime in of its self to even be called a 3080. it will be a similar thing to what happened in the 20 series where a higher power limit 3060ti or 3070 laptop could be better then a power limited 3080 one
Aah ..new video during Eid ...btw Eid Mubarak guys
This scales exactly as expected. A ~150W GPU would fall right there on a PC. Honestly just take a similar GPU and limit to to 150W and see what happens!
I like the inclusion of laptop CPUs on the graphs but graying them out to reduce visual noise.
My daughter has the exact same MSI laptop and it is not well built. The screen has begun to separate from the outer frame in one corner. It's about to be returned. Maybe luck of the draw, who knows. However, I would consider something else if you're looking to splash big bucks on a pricey laptop.
Gaming laptops are not well built
i have this laptop and I'm fine with it.
@@petitpanierdosier3206 alot of them are. It just depends on the manufacturer and that one was probably just faulty
I have some msi laptop with a 10200h or sonethint and low power 3060. It runs games well but does kinda feel flimsy at times but it is not falling appart or anything, looks fine.
Last MSi laptop I had the hinges cracked and broke (typical for MSi as the forums were packed with this complaint). The Steelseries keyboard fell apart within months and the headphone jack failed. Not impressed for $3k. MSi rebuilt it under warranty and what I got back was basically a completely different laptop, different chassis, different keyboard etc.
The Asus laptop I bought has been flawless and so has the Acer Predator. Zero issues for both.
If anyone here is in the market for a laptop, consider getting the 115w 2070/2070s last gen laptops. Mine is getting fps very close to the 80-90w 3070 in gaming benchmarks, and the older laptops are much less expensive and still have the 240hz ips screens.
The difference is price though, the entire Asus G15 3080 laptop is currently available and in stock for $1999, the 3060 ti desktop gpu costs almost that much alone right now.
The Asus G15 3080 is closer to a laptop 115w 3060 with dynamic boost 130w
If you can even find one, that is. In my local market, there's not even pre-build desktops with GPUs available anymore.
@@petitpanierdosier3206 wtf
@@sathish5470 yes kinda sad
the G15 is 80-100w and much slower than this MSI laptop.
Considering the large power difference between the 3080 desktop and 3080 laptop part it's keeping up pretty damn well.
Biggest issue is one laptop could be 80w, and another could be 150w. And the difference is huge. The version tested in this video is 135w, so fairly high end
Good video, but some small errors. AFAIK, the GE76 bottoms out at 150w with a 5w boost, and can run at that wattage comfortably with the cpu at max wattage too. Also, it has a mux switch to bypass the integrated gpu without an external monitor. Plus there are advanced bios options to squeeze out even more performance.
I mean, I agree with most the video, but in most reviews the Raider generally does better, often meeting the 3070.
Sure, it's not a 3080, but it's the closest thing to a desktop 3070 you can get these days.
I think at this point, it might be worth retesting 3080m 16gb vs 3070 desktop. 3080 might come out on top in a few cases due the vram.
Thumbnail was pure Gold😆
So is it closer to a 3060 Ti or a 3070? I think a desktop 3060 or 3060 Ti should have been included in this testing.
I freakin love that you guys put doctor evil on the thumbnail 😂 Made me laugh even before I watched the vid. Keep being awesome guys! And keep calling out misleading industry shenanigans.
I woulda really loved to have seen a direct comparison to the 2080 Max-Q here as well since it what my laptop has.
Real shame that no one tests RTX 3060 and 3060 Ti against RTX 3080 Mobile 165W.
From tests the RTX 3080 Mobile 165W is on par with desktop RTX 3070 in some games and mostly on par with 3060 Ti.
because they're rogue gpus, rtx3070/70ti/80 laptop is actually rtx3060ti/70/70ti desktop (code name ga104) and rtx3080ti laptop is rtx a5500 laptop/desktop (ga103) meanwhile rtx3080/80ti/90/90ti has code name ga102
Names aside, I'm blown away that a lot of laptops can now get so surprisingly close to desktop fps. It wasn't long ago that 1/3 to 1/2 the performance was expected.
I'm not an expert and I'm not really into 4k or 2k gaming yet. I got my hands on an ASUS Ryzen 9 and RTX 3080 with 32gb of ram and I get 65-85 fps (sometimes even higher) on most of my games on 1080p 300hz 17.3 and I'm happy with it. I travel a lot because of my job and I needed a powerhouse for gaming and this is the best thing I could go for.
These are the games I played on it ever I since I bought it all at pretty much maximum/Ultra settings
RDR2 : 65-92
Cyberpunk : 45-70 (Ray Tracing High, DLSS ON) Also FPS is not always stable but for that I blame the game not the Laptop
Call of Duty Cold War : 100/130 (rarely 95)
AC Odyssey : 70
AC Valhalla : 50-61 (Not sure why it's lower then 60 most of the times)
Watch Dogs Legion : 35 with RT. 62-67 without RT
Horizon Zero Dawn : 72-80 (surprisingly well)
Resident Evil Village : around 80-85 (Drops to 20-27 when The Daughters of Lady Dimitrescu attack but that's like till you get away from them)
Doom Eternal : 130-160
All the games above tested in Turbo mode. Now I just hope it will last for at least 3-4 years even tho it's brand new still like 1 month old. Overall...I think it's the best thing I got my hands on and I'm very happy with it. Battery is my only problem. Like 3-4 hours tops in Turbo but if you're at home you can always just plug it in and then no problems
I'd love for them to bring back the M naming scheme
Lenovo's Legion 7 allow their equipped RTX3080 to get right up to 165w, but only with dynamic boost as in when CPU isn't as pegged.
Please could you guys do some testing of CTR 2.1 now it supports individual core auto adjustment versus PBO and CO in games and productivity tasks please?
I tried version 2.0 before and didn't gain much other than power efficiency but the new version is meant to perform better in both 2 threaded and 4 threaded workloads such as games much better than before.
Thanks for this video as well, good to know if buying a laptop for gaming
Picked a Maingear i7 11800H with 3080 16gb for $925 i think that is a good deal.
Hi Hardware unboxed I’m going to get the x17 3080 should I get the 4k screen and not the 1080 360HRZ with I be losing out at1080? Cheers for the help.
Would've been neat to see a comparison with the desktop 3080 limited to ~155W.
Excellent analysis as always. Will we ever get better naming on any desktop/laptop parts??
Is it true that 3060m is close to 3060?
Unlike the situation with the 3070/3080
If the TDP is in the same ballpark it's likely performing similar, just don't expect much from GPU's with the same name where 1 is a 200W+ part and the other ~100W... This is all just thermal constraints for laptops.
115W vs 170W respectively.
Don't expect similar performance. If it was possible to get close with only 115W then they'd be using a similar spec card for desktops instead of requiring 170W.
Nope, around 20% slower. Plus it has 6gb less vram than the desktop counterpart.
around 20% slower, but it's the closest margin we can have this gen from mobile to desktop
Thank u guys i understand
Rewatching this video again, and I'm worried about what the RTX 40-series Laptop GPU can be.
With the rumored higher TGP requirement than the 30-series, the highest TGP RTX 4080 Laptop GPU might perform like the RTX 4050 desktop GPU at best.
Would using a lower power CPU allow better performance from the GPU?
Why did you test 1080p with optimus on when the GE76 has a mux switch which can bypass optimus even on the internal display? The XMG 3070 laptop used was tested without optimus i believe
Does this affect online gaming at all? Because if it plays great?
dude thank you for this video , its really important
So basically my 17" laptop that is coming tomorrow with 165w 3080, 5900HX and 1440P screen will be able to play stuff at 60 FPS+ at 1440P. Good enough for me. This laptop has really good thermal and gpu performance, gets a 12500 on time spy which is the highest I have seen (or at least near the very top) for laptop. I really want to be able to make use of the 1440p resolution. After watching HDR movies at 4K on an asus 17 and even 1440P on the very same laptop that my friend has (what convinced me to buy one), it's hard to go back to 1080P. It's called the Infinity M7 here and I think it's XMG neo or something overseas. I believe the only downside is the 230w power brick, so the cpu can't maintain maximum boost when the gpu is using 165 watt, but the good thing is that you can adjust all the power levels individually, so if a game is really cpu heavy, can strike the right balance. Oh and it has a mux switch, yay. I compared every existing 3080 laptop and many of them are getting thrashed by the 3070 version of the laptop I am buying, or also the alienware X17 3070 for example, cause they use low watt 90 to 105w 3080 which makes a massive difference and the likes of the alienware use the max wattage. BTW I am happy to drop to high at 1440, don't need ultra, really. The resolution is better IMO and high is always good enough. I was a bit concerned I wouldn't be able to game at 1440P but this has eased my concerns. I still don't see any point in 4K laptops for gaming though, like what ASUS Rog is doing. Pointless!
PS My 3yo Aorus X5 V8 with GTX 1070 that benches 5900 on timespy has still never let me down for 1080P ultra or high in modern games.. :) The killer is ray tracing on the newer cards but DlSS can balance stuff out too. I think for 4K laptops, DLSS is a must.. DLSS at 1440P real mode with upscaling to 4K.
Are you testing borderlands 3 with the latest version, that is the denuvo is removed?
Why wouldn’t you compare the best rtx 3080 laptop the Alienware m17 R4? That has a 165w tdp versus the weasely 130w on this one
It's always wisest to choose something middle of the pack, or outright worst to judge the average user experience.
@@lordfenix17 The GE76 costs around the same if not more expensive than a M17 R4....
@@recklesstactics4718 actully its not, its about the same price.
it made sense to remove the M branding for the 1000 series as the gpus in laptops at the time were very close to there desktop counter parts. but starting with the 20 series and its increased power limits in desktop to where we are now with even high power limits you just cant match the higher end gpus power draw in a laptop and contain its heat. this gen the 3060 has almost the same tdp as the 1080 so its quite understand able why there is so much of an issue trying to scale such high wattage parts to a laptop. they really need to bring back M or some other letter these days as gone are the 1000 series golden days. but it also shows how poor we have done in watt to performance that we had to just cram power into a architechture to get performance improvments
A 6800xt test where the card is undervolted to 150w to simulate a high end 3080 competitor in laptop form would be a interesting video. If you have a ghost canyon nuc the system removed from it's case would be the best test system. With direct Pcie connection between CPU and GPU. Cheers
So a 3080 laptop ~ 3060Ti desktop? Nice naming
marketing for the uninformed folks
I feel like this is why the 3060 Ti exists in the first place considering the same GA104 silicon.
Nvidia usually releases their main line desktop GPUs first then the Ti variants after. But the 3060 Ti came about before the 3060 was even a thing.
Chance are they were already testing and making these chips for the laptop market and the lower binned less efficient chips were repurposed for the desktop as the 3060 Ti.
@@MadHattedLion welp that makes sense a bit, 3060ti is the best price to performance gpu and is even more demanding then 3080. As well releasing ti varient gives us an idea they soon their will be a no ti verient as well or had forgotten amd has 6900xt but no 6900 no xt so you goi g to say 6900xt shouldn't exists??? As there is no predecessor.
Thank you hardware Unboxed i remember you blowing up these shady practices way back with the whole Max-Q laptop scam. If it wasn't for you i would never have know that their was a difference between desktop GPU's and their mobile counterparts. Its for this reasoning i have never considered a laptop to this day, and have warned at-least five people i know of this problem who are noobs to hardware purchasing. Guys who would have if not for your information through me bought RTX gaming laptops to do live streaming with.
In the end if each of your viewers can save one extra potential customer from being mislead its a big win.
Is the benchmark the same for the 165 watt 3080 laptop gpu?
Could we say that the 3080 (laptop) is like a 3060 ti (desktop)? And the 3070 (laptop) is like a 3060?
Does the memory configuration have any effect below 4k? Some 3080 mobile cards only have 8GB of memory but this is a 16BG benchmark.
Thank you. I hate when big tech youtubers unironically push gaming laptops that have massively nerfed versions of beefy GPUs. XD
Is it better to use an external Desktop GPU in such a case for a laptop?
Not that I have a laptop. But just curious if an external Desktop GPU connected to a laptop is better than the laptop GPUs itself ✌🏻
They did the naming on purpose, it gives the product more value, imaging calling it a 3060ti or 3080m, no one would spend $3000 on it
Which again shows how overpriced those "top" level notebooks are.
@@FutureChaosTV shows how overpriced msi is
Why is there no 3080 200w like in the last generation?
Will a 10600K fully utilize an RTX 3070, or should i go for the 10700K?
are you planing any video about b450 with new bios and ryzen 5 5600x ?
I'd be curious to see what the closest gpu is to the laptop 3080. Desktop 3060? 3060 Ti? Something last gen?
00:37 In nVidia marketing speak.
In reality, it's 3072 CUDA cores, with the possibility of doing two FP32 instructions rather than one FP32 instruction and one INT32 instruction per cycle (the latter being required to qualify as a "CUDA core", given that CUDA supports integer math).
The scaling of this dual-FP32 capability seems to be about 30% of the total capacity, meaning that 3072 Ampere core count is roughly equivalent to 4000 Turing cores. The desktop 3080, in contrast, has 4352 Ampere CUDA cores, which are roughly equivalent to 5600 Turing CUDA cores.
This is really pertinent. I'm using a zephyrus g15 with a monitor and I'm wondering if (once there's GPU availability) I wouldnt have a better experience just building a desktop.
Best. Thumbnail. Ever!!
The Clevos uses MXM modules of 165 watts and with performance closer to the desktop 3070 . It is running a desktop CPU and thicker form factor with better cooling
here's my problem with this video
to start yeah power different less core's diff clock speed we all know that so it's gonna be worse
but my real problem is when tim talk's about the "mom's and dad's" yeah the name's are stupid and should be different so people can tell the diff but i think anyone can walk in and get a laptop when they want a laptop or a desktop when they want a desktop
Also comparing the market's well i can pay upto 2700 for a graphics card or i can get a full system screen keyboard mouse (track pad) and it sit's on my lap. yes the desktop get's screwed but i think that if you want to buy a gpu like right now but not got to much money i think people will look past the lower perfomance for the newer thing.
i may be missing the whole point but still gonna thumbs up the vid as there was a load of effort put into it and i don't see me ranting to stop it being good
If you want something "right now" you're going to pay too much even if you go for a laptop. If you're willing to wait and try your luck at the fe cards (in regions they're actually available or shipped to) then you're still better off going the desktop route.
Don't get me wrong, the laptops are good, but people saying the laptop prices are good because they're comparing them to horribly scalped GPU prices is just daft, you're getting shafted one way or another, the only way to avoid it is patience and a little tenacity. My desktop with a 3070 came to £1600 and most people don't have use for a 12 core cpu or 32GB of ram... You could grab a better screen than you'll find on any laptop and still come out cheaper than a much lower performing laptop.
I honestly think if people stopped buying overpriced things and calling them good value, we might actually get some good value.
I have been waiting for desktop parts for over 6 months now. I don't think I can wait anymore. Looking forward to buying a gaming laptop instead.
So let me get this straight, we can buy a TDP limited laptop 3080 with 16 gigs of hot GDDR6X VRAM or a full power desktop 3080 with 10 GBs of VRAM......This is fine?...??
Would be very interesting g if you had a RTX 2080 non Max-q Laptop GPU in there for comparison, wondering if an upgrade is worth it.
Yeah i got 2080 super 180W and i still w8ing for comparison
From graphs I have seen even some Max Q variants of 2080 Super are matching fps with 3070 and quite a few 3080's. Depending on your model, I would say no.
@@Berserkism for example i have better FPS on cyberpunk with same ultra preset with my Alienware a51m r2 2080 super with 180W.
I'm curious to see how much wattage plays in the equation of a mobile GPU performance. A video comparing a mobile GPU with the desktop counterpart limited to the same wattage would be really interesting and appreciated.
I just asked my wife (not a techy) what she would expect the performance of a desktop gpu and a laptop gpu if they had the same name. She said “I would expect them to perform the same”. And there’s the problem...;)
When was the last time they had a different die for the mobile verison of an 80 GPU? With Turing the 2080/2080 Super, mobile chips had the same specs for Cuda cores, TMUs, ROPS, RT cores etc. In my Aorus 17X with a 2080 Super the only real difference was the 200W power limit. I've mostly retired my laptop from gaming now that my desktop is built, but it would have been nice to see a high wattage 2080 Super in the comparison so we could get a generational comparison between the 3080 mobile and 2080 Super mobile.
Can you direct me to WHERE EXACTLY this laptops are available ?
Why are you using 10600k for the 3080 and 3070 desktop.
What’s better rtx 2080 desktop vs rtx 3080 laptop?
One of these days 3D will make a comeback and someone is going to lose an eye.
3Dfx?
I mean a 13-30% performance difference is a great tradeoff for mobility and almost half the wattage (?)
I have g533qs and it’s impressive that with half tdp compared to normal 3080 it can achieve so much.
I'm pleasantly surprised. I recently bought my girl friend a new laptop with a mobil 3080, and was originally disappointed that I had to get a 3080 instead of the 3070 I wanted. The vendor I went with forced that upgrade, otherwise I'd have to get an intel 10 series instead of AMD 5 series, and that wasn't happening, so I paid the extra and got the 3080. It was quite a bit more expensive, but she is loooving minecraft RTX and it runs really smooth maxed out with fancy textures and all.
could you guys please compare the RTX 3080 8gb vs 16GB, I think that vram is the only big advantage the 3080 has over the 3070, especially for productivity tasks.
Am I missing something, what's the point of all that power in that laptop when the screen is still only 1080p? why cant they build it with a screen that's capable of higher than 1080.
I’m getting the Alienware m15 R5 rtx 3070! With 1TB storage 32gb ram 5900HX
Would be interesting to test desktop vs laptop GPU at the same wattage.
Since they cannot apply desktop performance to laptops, they should give laptop GPU's different names. I think laptop GPU's should have 5 numbers, like 3055 (current 3060), 3065 (current 3070), and 3075 (current 3080).
Especially when considering the laptop GPU's have completely different power outputs, and on top of that even have different dies and amounts of CUDA cores in many cases, naming them on par with the desktop GPU variants is simply dishonest.
You mean like the old naming scheme where they added an "m"?
Neither your idea, or the M version would work, due to the different TDP models within each mobile 30 series card . They should be called BOTH the M+ a W + the number of watts the card is setup for in each different laptop, that would make it much more clear what kind of preformance the card can mannage.
@@AdaaDK Yes, they should ALSO make it more clear what performance it could manage, like giving the wattage, but they should still be named differently to desktop gpu's to avoid confusion, since even at the top wattage and performance they are never going to be anywhere near as good as desktop gpu's.
For instance 3065 (100 watt ). Maybe another explanation could be applied to them as well, so people could easily tell whether it was a high performance version, mid level, or low performance but higher battery life with lower power consumption.
Like maybe something like 3065 (115Watt++).
No plus for lower power/performance, One plus for mid level performance, and two plusses for high power consumption & high performance.
Then you have most of the information you need.
I still think it is dishonest to put the same model on a laptop GPU compared to a desktop GPU. None of them are even in the same class range. It's not a small performance drop, it's literally 20% minimum and more than 50% maximum.
@@----.__ No, literally stop calling it a 3080 or 3070 since it doesn't perform anywhere near what those cards do.
@@thejollysloth5743 3080m =/= 3080
It's an old naming convention that everyone understands. Naming them on par with the m qualifier allows the user to know it's the laptop equivalent of series and model. Anyone who has any clue about computers knows the difference. Your proposed idea of calling the laptop 3080 a 3075 is in fact worse, because it implies the laptop "3075" performs better than the desktop 3070 which simply isn't true. Your solution would further muddy the waters.
I'm quite happy with my Legion 5 pro. Paid 1700 euros and plays my AAA games at 1440P no problem. Just lower a few settings to high and you're good to go. On a 16 inch QHD 165hz panel it wil look impressive, trust me.
How does an egpu laptop compare to full desktop PC in performance?
The only problem is the naming scheme, really. Besides that it's actually pretty amazing with 3060Ti level on a way lower tdp~ No idea how they manage to do that and why they can't just use that same config on a desktop card. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
Highly binned version and the worse ones are used in desktop gpus…
Changing the power limit of a GPU takes like 2 minutes. This includes downloading, installing, and setting up MSI Afterbuner.
Seems like they opted to use the GA104 die instead of the GA102 due to how hot and power demanding the desktop 3080s are.
You would probably need to make a big chungus laptop like the Alienware a51m series to handle the GA102.
It's time to make petition to nvidia for bringing back"m" on laptop gpu
I appreciate your videos, I was ready to purchase my second 3070 laptop but have decided to go with a desktop setup instead. The difference doest justify buying a gaming laptop imo
That power efficiency is wow in the laptop. But where are the costs (not only 30% difference at less than 50% of power)?
Any parent that walks into a store to buy their kid a 3080 gaming laptop, has more pressing problems than not knowing the difference between a laptop and a regular GPU.
I’d be shocked if a parent was willing to drop the money for their kid on something like that. More like PC gaming enthusiasts who want a laptop for whatever reason and can afford it I’d imagine. Parents are gonna go lower end for their kids would be my expectation.
Might be not close to the desktop but very decent for laptop still. I think overall results for all games might be higher also with amd cpus and 3080, not just in those games which were better with amd in that video. Since cpu overhead is still there imo. To test it you might try to increase power limit for 3070 to be on par with power limit on 3080 to see how close it can be.
Yes, and use the bloody MUX-switch.
Hilarious thumbnail 😂
Thank God I got my 3080 strix in November