Arena Is Getting Worse, Again
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- So much greed.
When the Mythic drop rate was made worse on purpose:
• Purposefully Bad Drop ...
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Mtgo is playing a local game shop that pays directly to wizards, playing arena is playing a video game with a gotcha machanic.
gacha* mechanic. It stands for "gachapon," a name derived from the sound the Japanese machines make.
@@Aigis31 though you are right, i like gotcha mechanic, too. pretty much fits the bill
@stefanw6665 That play on words is what I was going for they got you to play, they got you to to spend stupid amounts of money for no physical return. In the words of the great Dave Chapelle "GOTCHA B****"
That is kind of why these videos bother me so much each time they come out. Arena is a gatcha game. Random pulls are just part of a gatcha game. You can side step the grind by throwing money at the game but you are paying for that convenience. Complaining about it just feels like complaining about water being wet.
a cheap modern deck in the digital objects game is about 288 tix thats not a scam? I never spent $288 on arena and I have so many cards from the daily quests
Mana bases for mtg, digital or physical, should be the cheapest part of the game. Why is this a hard concept for people to understand, especially wotc. Instead of fetches, shocks, surveil lands, triomes being rare they should be commons and as plentiful as basic lands. The mana base for a magic deck is the barrier of entry for new players that want to play magic. People that want to play the game are willing to spend money on game pieces that aren't lands.
Draft more or less kills the chances of fetch lands and good multicolored lands being printed at low rarities. You print them at common in a draftable set and well now you're constantly having a very messy draft experience
Yah, but having them as accessible as basic means basics get set to the side (not like they already do anyway.)
It is the most boring part of the game & yet extremely impactful.
No. This is wrong
@@jmanwild87 They could literally just do them as a bulk product sold outside of packs. Mark Rosewater has previously stated that making lands rare is deliberate for driving sales.
$50-ish is, like, a whole video game.
In fact 50-ish is 2-3 video games of the more indie variety, at full price. During sales it might be 5-10. Steam has a sale right now on card games, you can get Inscryption, Wingspan, and Across the Obelisk at 50% ($10 each), slay the spire at 66% ($8), loop hero at 67% ($5), and monster train at 80% ($5). That's $48 for six highly rated deck-building games and literally hundreds of hours of playing, thousands even. Loop Hero is the shortest of the bunch by far, and you can easily sink a few dozen hours in it if you want to 100%.
Or 50 bucks is like a whole board game. No additions needed. That you can even resell for about half of its price.
That gets me 1 Ragavan 😂😂😂. It’s not stupid that cards are that expensive. It’s stupid that people pay for them.
Are you telling me a playset of fetchlands on Arena costs about as much if not more than a physical EDH precon??
"where does the greed end?" Here's the fun thing, it doesn't
not only does the line need to go up, the rate at which the line goes up needs to go up
@@patrickcreamer6791 true, the good ol' infinete exponential growth.
Yep, so long as people keep giving them money it won't end.
I mean... with revolution...
@braddorcas9363 And this is the real problem. People want to offload the problem. "It's their greed! That's the issue. If only they weren't so greedy!"
Instead, people in general need to exercise restraint. You realize what's happening, but think that the problem is going to solve itself. "OK, we'll stop being so greedy." -WOTC
I hope Vince gives us an update when his first kid says "fuck". That will be comedic gold.
kids rebel what if the kid aspires to be like uncle Proffeser?
@@kyleellis1825what the URZA are you talking about?
@@Habizbah Kids rebel against their parents a bunch. So what if Vince's kid takes after the prim and proper Uncle Proffesor. Since I assume the Proff is enough in Vince'slife, that his kid calls the proff uncle.
It's crazy how much Arena obfuscates the value of wild cards and their sources. Compared to crafting with dust and having that as your one system it becomes so opaque that if you want to measure it in its entirety you need to make an advanced spreadsheet.
This is deliberate.
My main problem with applying that Rosewater statement to digital is this: The boosters are always on the shelves in Arena. You don't have a "print run" of the cards. They're always there, always available. I understand needing to balance power for physical products to assure they all sell relatively well. In the digital format though, you're charging more for less work. Less time programming, less content put into the game, and for something that will always be on the shelves.
I wouldn't be surprised to see them be a perpetually "On Sale" product just due to FOMO of the sale, and the general power level of Fetches in formats like timeless and historic.
it's also a completely insane reply when you consider that they are in full control over what they put in each set even in paper. the point of things like masters sets and MHx is to enable them to increase supply of cards in older formats without affecting or hurting standard. But they are the ones that choose to inflate the price of them out of greed thus impacting how much these sets can reduce the cost of entry. And they are the ones that still choose to put "chaff" in these sets to bulk it out and generate themselves more value.
@@avenage It's a little bit more nuanced than that in paper magic. Secondary market has to have value in order for them to sell reprint sets. Could they do better with the amount and frequency of certain reprints? Sure, but it's understandable why they want the secondary market to want certain cards more valuable than others.
Is it overkill with their current asking price for Masters/Horizons booster boxes/collector boosters? I think so, but at least that's more understandable than asking $40 USD for a digital playset of Fetch Lands when you can't even play them in the format in which they see the most play.
I live in South Africa and getting real pissed off with the price of Magic in general. I have a good job, a house and a car, but I'm literally getting priced out of competitive Magic. I play Modern, but the price of boosters are so absurd I have shifted to importing singles for my decks. Even that is becoming a bit absurd with the number of sets being pumped out and power creep devouring my collection. I bought multiple boxes of MH2, but MH3 is roughly 40% more per box. That's just too much. Maybe I just need to accept the fact that I'm a poor pleb that doesn't deserve to buy boosters.
Just use proxies, they will be cheaper and you can get art that looks good for cards that are fun but like shit
You have a house and a car man - just think about us, who live for rent and just barely get around. If people like you are to poor than this game is probably only for the Post Malones of this world...
@@calebbarnhouse496You can't use those for competitive play
@@UkuleleProductions They live in South Africa, so a house and car cost less for them while the magic card costs are not adjusted to the local economy.
@@calebbarnhouse496 Did you miss the part that said 'competitive magic'? no LGS that cares about staying part of WPN will let you go to WOTC sanctioned modern events with proxies.
I wanted to craft a desert, you know, the common that pings attackers, and saw that it was in the mythic slot. Have not really been excited to play arena since
I mean, it has been printed as every rarity iirc, but it is kinda distasteful that only the mythic one is on arena
Crazy that only Pokemon has got it right in terms of digital pricing and acquiring cards. Though they took out trading in the new client, they give you free starter meta decks, the battlepass is very worth it in value, and real boosters have digital redemption and can be bought at a fraction of the price on markets.
I really wanted to get into the pokemon digital game but i heard the new client is terrible
The trading online thing, unfortunetly lets people make multiple accounts and funnel the good stuff to a single account.
The trading was restricted to cards you got from pack codes and cards you got from mini-tournaments (basically the equivalent of mtcgo’s draft events) funelling cards didn’t really work on the old client because of how much time and/or money it took to get the cards and resources to consistently play and win in these tournaments.
The old client was way better, trading was such a good mechanic. Its almost like pokemon is a TCG not a CCG.
also pokemon always tries to keep down the prices of staples you need to play the game with like energies or supporting cards
I’m at getting ridiculous. I remember when booster boxes could comfortably be split by a play group now it’s 40-50 bucks. 😞
I quit Arena after the introduction Alchemy ruined a couple of my History decks I had just built. The constant BS of that platform just got to me.
13:58 "When does it end?" It ends when people stop paying for it. Unfortunately, they won't, so it won't end soon.
Yep. Doesn't matter if the people with morals stop eaither, since the masses either don't know or don't care.
when the market is limited the companies offering the few good games are able to take advantage of their players, because they don't have many other places to go. This is doubly true with regards to multiplayer games or social networks, since for one to be successful a large number of users is required, thus making it harder for there to be a large number with enough users to be successful.
it ends when capitalism ends, people can stop paying for it, mtg can be unprofitable and shut down, but then something else will just take its place and be greedy again since being greedy is baked into the system
It ends when we stop paying. The sad thing is us fools keep paying at the ridiculous prices.
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Recently I started playing on MTG Online and I'm having a blast. The fact that I can just sell my cards and get the money back is huge.
I've kind of stumbled onto your channel as of late, and as somehow who mainly plays Pokémon it's interesting to compare just how different the approaches of Magic Arena and TCG Live seem to be. In particular, TCG Live seems to pretty much eschew any notion of making money on the client itself - rather, they use the client to encourage people to go and play the game physically. The client gives you a bunch of pretty solid precons to start with, including most of the staples that your decks. The battle pass readily gives you a bunch of new toys to play with (a lot of packs of the current set, some packs from older sets, some full arts of meta-relevant cards, and a deck that you steadily build on throughout the pass), and the daily missions for the pass are easy to complete and give you more than enough currency to stop you getting bogged down for too long. The crafting system is really generous, and being able to redeem physical products is the icing on the cake (including fixed elements of things like prerelease kits or precon deck, booster packs, and even little nice extras like getting in game sleeves).
The client is not perfect by any means - there's still a fair few bugs since the transition to TCG Live, and support for Expanded is very lacking (pre-Sun and Moon cards aren't implemented yet, so things like Expanded and Gym Leader Challenge don't really work all that well). The range of ways to play is rather limited (you have private games, a ladder for Standard, Standard and Expanded casual matches and that's it). But at its core, the client feels a lot more approachable and encouraging for newer players to quickly get up to speed with competitive level decks, and for competitive players to easily test and refine new decks before investing in physical product. I really don't think there's much scope to fundamentally change Arena at this point unfortunately, but the difference in direction is very interesting as a relative outsider to Magic.
11:17 wheel is not in the power 9 that’s timetwister
Derp. Sorry, yes. No idea where I got that from.
@@gamesareforfun Sol Ring is probably at the #10 slot lol
@@WarsWorth I was about to say the same. Sol ring is #10
I really should be getting in on MTGO but it is such a threshold. I got so confused trying to buy cards
For me the biggest thing is being able to play on my phone. I just wish WotC wasn't insufferable in their monetization of arena
Arena is code. They could give it all for free with 0 cost. It’s all fixed costs. It’s only profit to determine prices.
I think that Rosewater's point was misinterpreted, and that's actually exactly what he meant. Basically, anthology price is determined solely by demand for the particular cards, and the price is based on how desirable cards are to other products sold on Arena (such as boosters or other anthologies). If the price is too low, everyone will buy it and ignore alternatives. If the price is too high, everyone will ignore it and buy alternatives. The price they choose is the one where the highest amount of people is willing to pay the highest price for it, that's just how it works, when the supply is infinite. There is high demand for fetchlands, and getting them through anthology is still much less expensive than getting other fetches through buying Khans of Tarkir packs. So if anything, they are MORE affordable than the first 5 fetches.
Or they could make a "dusting" system and this would solve a lot of the problems mtga has.
I wish I could give my wildcards to my friends. I've mainly drafted the last couple years and already have a ton of Historic, Standard and Timeless decks while still having 80 some rare and 60 some mythic wild cards just not being used.
That would create real world trading problems unfortunately.
@@saphired02😂
I think the sole reason I enjoy Arena as my primary way to engage with MTG is because I have always been a limited player. Absolutely no way I could be convinced to buy packs on arena for the sake of playing constructed. I’m finally falling into constructed formats because after drafting since basically launch I stockpiled wildcards. My partner on the other hand started playing magic on arena last year and I was surprised to see how quickly they were able to build a decently competitive standard deck to start earning gold. That grind however is much slower than it needs to be. Imo they should make wildcards rewards for more things (maybe one for a daily quest) and better rewards for winning the format events. Also give me timeless event, it’s wild the most “expensive” format is the least rewarding to play
Why i quit arena... wanted to get a few terminate for a deck i think it was some rakdos removal spell that was a rare... realised it would have cost me like 10 quid to get bulk rares in paper...
Yeah, at the end of the day you will always have physical cards. Arena might and will be closed one day and then you will have nothing.
Same. Lightning bolt as a rare wildcard made me rage.
So I saw a video of a 97 land Brawl deck on Arena. So I downloaded Arena and with all the free packs and codes I found I was able to make the deck to play. That being said I could never see myself putting money to add cards I own on paper to a digital profile.
Great video dude and I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately I would never expect it to change. I believe they have cornered the market on a way to play MTG online anytime. They will continue to do what they do until we stop buying it, and we know all the people are still buying it. For myself, I cannot resist arena even though I think its evil and greed driven. This is because I want to play more magic other than the once-a-week spelltable game. The opportunity cost of online non-tradable cards is that you can play them endlessly alone without other known people, so they do have an advantage on paper cards. That "anytime" advantage is going to win in a always-online world. Thanks for the great videos!
Always reminds me of the professor's comparison. Once you're in the 250-300 dollar range, that's a nintendo switch.
The other problem with the price variation for differentiation/demand management point as it applies to Arena is that these aren't physical packs. There is nothing to sit on shelves if demand is too low and they aren't going to runnout if demand is higher than expected!
I have been playing arena since open beta and find myself in the lucky situation of never having to spend money. When a new set comes out i pick up like 30 packs with gold, then i just play brawl and historic brawl.
I do get the mastery pass every set, but the gems for that come from occasional draft and the mastery pass itself.
New players though, really cannot play this game in any kind of competitive way without dumping excessive amounts of resources, time or money, into it. I feel like this is why we see so much budget aggro grinding ladders compared to control decks with much higher rare/mythic counts.
The cards should be easy to get, the cosmetics should take resources, simple as.
How do have the gold for that? Ive always struggled to keep gold, most i ever had was like 12,000 and that was for the cute but stupid black dragon pet and it was sooo hard not to buy packs. I really only play brawl, i suck at drafting, never been a fan of having playsets for 60, but i think thats more due to finiacial issued trying to play magic in real life.
@@jeremiahabbott4469 At least in my experience, 60 card constructed decks have been much cheaper to build on arena. Specifically to grind historic for more rewards, because if you're missing a rare+ card you can usually just sub in a less expensive version of it with a tiny bit of rebalancing. Besides most legendaries at least
Magic trading cards were made to be played with - not to sit quietly in some collector's binder on the shelf. The true instrumental value to Magic cards is the fun you can have and relationships you can build through playing with them. Down with the reserved list, reprint cards so people can compete on an even playing field. But leave it to a corporation to push for a card game with no cards, because they're pushing for all-digital, cuz money. And in the process, throw LGS's under the bus despite LGS's being an integral part of MtG's success and longevity.
Fetchlands are the barrier for entry for basically any modern deck that isn't mono-coloured. They are not exciting cards, there are not interesting cards, it's a set of 10 cards that are all basically the same. In a digital format, the barrier for entry to even start building a deck should be zero. It would cost WotC zero dollars and zero cents to add fetchlands and any other cycles of lands to all accounts for free. Anyone looking at the game outside could tell you that.
Instead of providing the basic components to play the game, Wizards chooses to make the game less appealing for most people so that they can gouge the few people that are willing to put up with their bullshit. Sixty bucks for a sad, non-resalable digital facsimile of half of the fetchlands. I'm sure glad I don't play Magic anymore.
Not quite zero dollars, because they still need to pay someone to put them into the program and to add it to every account, but close enough to zero in the overall expenditures of running Arena that your point still stands.
Absolutely. I understand the need for Wizards to have them be rare in paper magic, but there's no need for this in arena.
@@williamdrum9899 There's no reason for them to be rare in paper magic either. Reprinting them isn't going to tank the costs of the original printing. All it does is give the game 'rich kid syndrome', which was something that Garfield specifically wanted to avoid.
@@leadpaintchips9461 Whale Disease, Rich Kid Syndrome, so many names for essentially WHAT PAPER MAGIC IS ALL ABOUT.
But on arena, this smells worse.
@@warp9988 It's what paper Magic became, not what it was all about.
Only after WotC decided that it was more profitable to cater to card investors then it was to sustain their playerbase did it go from a card game to a investment choice.
Free play arena guy here and yes I do feel the sting a bit when my cheap stingy ways mean I struggle to see mythic rank, but when I do it's with my own decks, no glory copying here. Subbed you because you deliver good content whilst actually sounding normal, a trait no often seen amongst RUclipsrs, let alone MTG ones.
Already hated historic once Alchemy filtered into it. Gladly skipped Timeless. I'm going to stick to Limited, Standard and Explorer until WotC gets the hint. Used to put $20-40 a set and havent spent a penny since the Baldurs Gate money grab.
Thanks Vince. It was the money I spent and how I still felt like I had to grind to get anywhere. Oh, and Alchemy that turned me off. Been over Two years since I played. Sad too since my brother got back into Magic through Arena. But it always felt so soul draining to me, and I can't get back into it. Maybe when I move again I'll find an LGS closer to me.
I stopped playing on arena, learning of this is complete bs...
Completely agree with all of this. Arena became far too expensive for me to play and I have no clue how a new player builds a collection at this point. It's a problem that is only going to get worse with each new set.
Again, watching you just reiterates how i feel about arena and mtg in general.
Preach on Vince. Love ya content!
I've actually had to stop playing Magic almost completely because of the cost. My favourite formats is any limited, and pre COVID I was able to draft or do a sealed every week. Now it's just not realistic. It's basically $30 Canadian to draft current sets, and more for premium sets. Its just too much weekly! Plus keeping up with Standard got so hard. Now I have a few commander decks that I've built up over the years, and a couple of cheap pre-cons. I gave up on Arena a couple years ago, free to play was okay but eventually you just fall behind on cards. Magic is also my favourite game of all, I was a judge for a few years, I championed the game so much in my community! And now I live through content creators playing. By the way, thanks for the great videos Vince.
How do you sell the current set? Maybe standard rotation lol
Mark Rosewater said the same thing about power level and price of Commander Masters pre-cons. He said more powerful cards = higher price yet they were the same level as regular pre-cons. We all know an ivory tower WOTC exec made the price jump up 50% then claimed they were premium decks.
When the werewolf set came out i dropped like 200$ on gems and was able to draft that set to the point thst i got a full 4 of collection of the set. I performed extremely well, It was a point where i was considering trying to play competatively and i realized in doing that that even as i floated around a 72% win rate i was slowly losing gems. 72% is like a pro level player winrate. having a pro level win rate requires you to continue putting money in to compete? Like honestly fuck em. I have not put another dollar in since and deleted the client.
waffles about greed -> immediatly shits out an ad 🤣👍
Couldn't agree more about the sun titan comment. Best white card ever printed. Should be played way more. Especially in commander
I found a group that plays Pauper on Arena and I shit you not i have run out of commons with no efficient way to get more. I built a single pauper brawl deck that wouldve cost me maybe 50 bucks in paper, but it sucked up every common wildcard i had. Now i am trying to make a 60 card pauper deck and cant. There is no way to buy common wilds and so im stuck with the more expensive option of buying packs and hoping i get lucky with extra wilds.
Got into Arena in September of 2020 mostly to "teach" girlfriend how to play magic. Since then, I've purchased the Beginners pack ($5), Traveler's Gem pack ($15) & a pre-release of Brother's War ($50). Mostly because I had a gift card, but i don't intend to pay any more money (just time) into Arena. When they decide to start charging a monthly subscription, I'll stop.
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Did anyone else read the description of the Angry Birds Twitter account and notice the triple parentheses with the phrase “the blues were here!” I mean it’s in character for that to be something on Red’s Twitter account considering the movie but I don’t think Angry Birds corporate is aware of the double meaning 😂
As always, your analysis perfect and reflective of reality. This is rank greed.
Thank you. I'm trying to be balanced and reasonable, but often feel so frustrated with Arena and the decisions made there.
I had a wild take the other day, and the more I stew on it, the more I want it to be true. I believe that if card accessibility wasn't an issue, MTG could become more mainstream than chess. Easy to learn, hard to master. The formats could be the different levels of chess masters, and you'd have a title to signify your standing.
These ideas came from having boardgame nights with friends. Sure we could open and learn a new game everytime. Or, we could play commander/ round robin of modern where we all already know the rules. Have a new person? Just swap the lands for basics. I have come to understand how amazing MTG can be. I want more people to understand it too, but, there is a lot in the way of getting new people to like the game... price being a major one.
Maro's statement makes more sense in a physical cards world.
Stores make a huge amount of their revenue from sales of magic singles and barely any from boosters(I think from boosters, I saw numbers like a 10-20 dollars a box).
That means that in order to keep the lights on, singles prices have to be high enough. The singles prices have to be competitive with the secondary market prices, so as a result if WOTC wants to continue having stores to sell their cards in, they need to care about keeping secondary market prices high.
HOWEVER, in any case where there is no physical store (direct distribution products like secret lair, MTGO bot vendors, arena) none of this applies - There is no shelf. There is no cost to players ignoring the products they don't use. They can stock everything indefinitely and print everything into the ground if they feel like they need to.
There is a slight additional consideration for secret lair because they can potentially tank physical card prices with that if they aren't a *little* careful, and an additional slight consideration for MTGO product redemption temporarily flooding the market, but other than that its just greed.
Could you imagine a hasbro shareholder watching this video? They would have no idea what the fuck you're talking about even if they actually sat through the whole thing
Nor would they care. Long as they are assured at the quarterly meetings the price will go up and they will keep making $, they’re good. It’s us fools who keep buying this garbage.
Hasbros prices drive many people away from paper. Now we slowly see price increases in mtg arena ? What is next I wonder…
Maybe an anniversary product worth a month of rent money ? No that’s too crazy of an idea.
It's crazy how much you avoid these people's greed by playing cube
I recently got incredibly upset with arena and was like "f it, ill just play paper again" and then realized paper is not much better. Currently playing SWU and loving every moment of it
I stopped playing Arena over 2 1/2 years ago and did not spend one plug nickel on it. Buying a box of Magic cards is getting so expensive now that we stopped buying them at the end of 2023. We will wait to get some singles or buy proxies. I dread what the prices will be in 2025. Thank you for the video.
10 dollars is alot for the fetches...50 is insane
So glad I checked out of that cash sink after Eldraine. Much better alternatives out there for digital play
That's why I've never spent a single penny on MTGA, never will, and never will regret that desigion.
I saw where this is going at the beginning: yet again, things are cheap, then, the more people are hooked and afraid to miss a single cosmetic, prices would start to crawl up. And yeah, buying everything in that version of the game is already more expensive than it should be for a paper TCG advertisement.
Honestly, I'm impressed by the free mastery pass system - it was holding for quite a long time. (Technically, it still does, but let's be honest...)
I feel your pain. I’ve been priced out of sealed paper magic for almost three years now. I just recently got priced out of Arena.
Corporations are indeed greedy, and I thoroughly know how it feels to be squeezed from the bottom.
I just want to enjoy my game too.
I've been free to play on Arena and you got me into Marvel Snap and I have been free to play on that as well. I have been having fun in Explorer with Mono White Second Sun but it took me a while to get there. I am not Wizard's target audience, but I am having a good time. It just takes time. Do you have the time? Many people don't.
Glad to hear your enjoying yourself. But no, I don't have the time to grind. :(
Timeless is the only Arena format where you may need a playset of fetchlands. The only other legal format for them is Brawl, where 4 copies is a waste.
Totally correct about sun titan.
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
Honestly I’ve never really made a deck since forever in arena. I have a sockcade of coins and a handful of gems, but don’t feel like drafting. I occasionally get my quest done and that’s it. If I didn’t get prerelease kits, I wouldn’t have as many cards in my pool and haven’t even cracked the arena specific packs I’ve gotten now and then.
Hey Vince, did you know Khans of Tarkir packs cost more gems and gold on Arena than any other packs? No not drafts, packs! Incredible!
the greed will continue until morale improves
Classical parenting line, "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" - guess we all know that to some extent. Also why I don't like arena anymore.
Just came back after an 18 month break. Opened the free packs from all the releases I've missed, lost some games to cards ive never heard of and shut it back down again. At this point i think it would cost me so much to try and update my decks it wouldnt be worth it.
Vince I am pretty sure while wheel of fortune is crazy strong its not considered a member of the power nine which would be black lotus, the 5 mox, Ancestral Recall, timetwister, and time walk. now in a power 15 I think it makes the cut. or if you count all the mox as a single card.
It is probably better than timetwister nowadays.
@@freddiesimmons1394 very possibly
I don’t blame businesses for trying to make money, but this is just too much.
What irks me about comments like this is how to equates 'make money' and 'making ***all*** the money.' These companies are making so much money already that when people will hem and haw about 'companies gotta make money' and I ask....if I don't give you my first fucking born, does that mean the company isn't making money? OMG think of the shareholders!!! They might not be able to buy a new super yacht this year!!!
@@christopherlaws8182 what are you going on about? You realize that if MTG wasn’t profitable, the game wouldn’t exist right? No one is saying that they should be making “all the money.” Further, the entire point of running a business is to make money.
There's a difference between msking money and charging more for the exact same product.
Hasbro already makes money. Lots of most. Do you really think they're using the extra income to pay artists more? Or lower level deaigners more?
No. They're charging more and more, and giving the money to ceos and investors who are already and rich and simply want to be richer.
@usererror2572 no one is claiming it isn't profitable. I never said it shouldn't be profitable. Magic already makes more money than they ever have before, while cutting everything they can and doubling the cost of *digital, untradeable, nondustable* assets at twice the price. Magic is more expensive than it has ever been, with more product releases than ever. Take the secret lair concept. Select guaranteed cards for a set price, print to order. Guaranteed profit, you only print what is ordered so no wasted resources. All they have to do is pick cards people wanna buy. That's it. Why go limited print? B3cause they think it will make more money despite being a categorically bad move for consumers. Profit isn't even what they care about...its growth at any cost and if mobile games have taught corporations anything, its that poor don't matter in the grand scheme if you keep squeezing whales for every penny they are worth, and the rest of the fish getting ground up and thrown back for chum
To be honest I don’t play much magic nowadays. Mostly due to the cost of the game but I do love playing a version called penny dreadful which I highly recommend for anyone on a budget.
I play xmage, tabletop simulator, and buy cheap proxies, playing mtg for as close to 0 cost as possible. Playing magic legit would be fun but my rent is about 55% of my income and I can't justify voluntarily making WotC my landlord #2
Arena is a place to draft and nothing else. In that realm I think it is fine, but I do wish it were actually possible to engage with constructed formats in the nice UI of Arena.
20 rare wild cards are really expensive
Fairly new to MTGA...how do I get other basic lands from different sets
I play the duel decks only and only to complete quests. Every time I invest and get interested in a constructed format, my cards get nerfed with NO REFUND. I hate that they shoved alchemy into the game, I hate that they completely refuse to mirror real formats. I play because I love magic but am also busy so this is how I get my magic in, but I don’t build, and that sucks because it’s my favorite part of paper magic.
8:52 love this point. I am so tired of hearing people say just draft. Not everyone has endless playtime, not everyone enjoys limited, and not everyone wants to turn arena into a fucking job just so they can get cards to play the format they actually care about. F2P on arena is not as simple as that crowd makes it sound.
I would suggest playing on Cockatrice. You can play commander digitally with others (publicly or privately). That is how my play group plays since we are all in different areas.
I'd like to point out that the price increase is actually a bit more ridiculous than 60% if you think about it.
25 Playsets for 25000 vs 5 Playsets for 40000
Because you are getting more bang for your buck on top of a lower price with the older anthologies, the effective prices become...
1 Playset for 1000 gold vs 1 Playset for 8000 gold.
That is a price increase of 700% when factoring in the amount of cards you get per gold.
Fetchlands or no, this is an absurd and outrageous price increase.
I agree
Come on, PK, how the execs are to affoard more yachts if the prices stay the same?
I was hoping to find something like this. No pioneer for arena, but let's add modern horizons 3
I play Arena daily and I am getting to the point of saying, why do I even try, I am missing so many wildcards and I cannot stand draft as I find it boring and by so I perform terribly, I wish they would just not make it so shit, it feels so bad to work for a pack, to get 6 cards that are just terrible, that have no deck they can fit into and even worse, that I cannot get rid off.
It's crazy, I mean this is a game with no story, no characters, no voice acting, no writing, no in game world, no a lot of things, and then they want you to pay more than most game's full price for some good lands? If the choice is between getting a pokemon game or a few cards, how would anyone think, yeah I'll have more fun with fetchlands? Especially fetchlands that will just turn into literal nothing someday when Arena gets taken offline.
Wizards is just charging so much for so little effort on their part. In a digital only, multiplayer only, few modes only game, $50 is a giant ask...it's a huge ask...because they never gave you a game to begin with, they gave you a card game app.
The best thing about arena monetization is being able to do dailys with your friends. Convincing my friends to play arena though? impossible
yeah I stopped playing Arena after Alchemy was introduced and they started nerfing historic cards, sucks to see it's getting worse
luckily these are only legal in timeless, so it's not like you need anything other than the blue ones.
I love your videos and I 1000% agree that wotc is disgustingly greedy and Arena economy is getting atrocious.
However the wildcards per packs chart at the end of your video is quite wrong, it make things look even worse than the reality so imo you should edit that if possible.
In arena there is a "wheel" of wilcard rewards that repeat every 30 packs. You get (only mentioning rares and mythic wildcards):
- 4 rare wildcards (1 every 6 packs). 1 mythic wildcard (on the 30th pack, it replaces the would be rare wc).
- 1 random rare/mythic gets replaced for a rare wildcard.
- 1 random rare/mythic gets replaced for a mythic wildcard
Then the cycle repeats.
Cheers.
Power 10? Is that what you meant with wheel of fortune? Yes, I said it. It shall now be called the power 10 which includes wheel!
I can't wait until they put out the arena boosters for Modern Horizons 3 and they charge double the currency for each.
ok this time I will have to pass the Antology, there is no way I can gather 40K a relative short time
From my experience it is dangerous to spend on Arena. It tries to get you in a state of drepression, where the only way out is spending money. I felt that after loosing some drafts in a raw and immediatly deinstalled the game.
ive been getting back into cards games and all these digital clients are so predatory im about to switch to playing webcam games with proxies lol
Wait...there will not be a nice, collecting box this time?
4:16 I guess he isn't much of a blocker.
Gem packs are $10 a head; there's a reason the ranking for my digital card games goes Pokemon, Yugioh, then Magic (by a hard gap). And Yugioh (Master Duel) is WAY closer to Pokemon than Arena is to Master Duel on any and all aspects that matter at days end.
Sorry, but further observation: in Yugioh, they spread an engine over 3 to 4 sets. You buy in on each plus similarly over the following year of support and all the sets benefit because of it- boxes and singles. Most foreign and indie TCG's do this anymore, with specialty sets being much more targeted affairs as far as contents go. Wizards is stupid for not just doing this- or realistically, too greedy to go for a strategy with more even results.
Rip anthologies need them back
The more and more I sit around Arena, the more I realize just how generous YuGiOh: Master Duel's system is. No janky wildcard system, just funny crafting components you can get back from cards if you wanna scrap a deck. And then shop deals that can be reasonably bought with gems obtained in game.
WotC makes me sad.
It's an option to buy , Or you can craft them or you can just not buy them
I've recently started playing commander on paper and on spell table and I'm genuinely considering just dropping out of Arena straight up. The cards aren't that exciting, the play experience is awful, the matches are repetitive and it requires way too much time to stay up to date with the sets and all the new cards
I'm currently taking a break from Arena. The whole thing frustrates me, and in-person Magic is an option, though not as often as I'd like.
I gave up on digital magic because of the cost. I keep an eye on it just in case something changes. For now, I am putting time into other digital card games. I am sad to see my attention taken away from magic but I just want to be able to play the card game.