The MTGgoldfish team did make the statement/joke that it doesn’t matter if they can reprint the One Ring or not, it’ll just get power creeped out of the format in a few years anyway. I laughed, then I cried.
It should have been printed with the counters going on the player not the ring itself. THat way you can still play 4 but the next one doesn't reset the counters. From a flavor standpoint....The ring rempts you, not itself.
@@Zauzziethis has its downsides. Even if the opponent removes the one ring, your next copy of the one ring will immediately draw you cards. Also means you can't respond to the ring being tapped to prevent the player from drawing cards.
@@simanolastname2399 that's a completely fair down side and removes the major upside. So yeah they cast another and can tap for more cards turn it's down then die in a turn or 2 from all the damage.
@@Zauzzie they could add the clause "You cannot cast a spell named "The One Ring" for the rest of the game. If The One Ring would leave the battlefield, exile it instead.". This way there are no blink shennanigans and having 4 copies of the card would result in dead cards after the first one is played.
"We printed cards directly into eternal formats so they could be really busted, but now people actually want the busted cards? How could we have predicted this!?" - WOTC
Modern has always had pricing issues, WoTC couldn't/wouldn't even reprint their own stuff enough to drive prices down. Perhaps players shouldn't have whinned and cried for a direct to Modern set even though Maro warned that it would forever change the format.
People where crying for modern masters sets, where they reprint cool cards in a draftable environment. I've never seen anyone want a direct to modern set of new cards.
@garak55 go watch PK video about the announcement for MH1 or Saffron Olives A victory for the community, we nagged wotc into giving us what we asked for. If I had to sum it up. Go look at prominent forums of the time like MTGSalvation all the threads are about we need new cards designed for Modern. You are simply being a revisionist to say it any other way.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I was so hyped to return to Magic and play Modern but then I saw what modern horizons did to the format and just nope. That leaves me with Commander and Pauper. Thanks Wizards.
I'VE BEEN LIVID ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS. Every time, *every time* Universes Beyond gets brought up, my number 1 gripe is "they are mechanically unique, with no in-universe equivalent." We *have* a frame for reskin guest cards. They *know* how to use them. *Why* on God's green earth do they not use it for every UB card?
i think is possible to do alias cards still, you can create "the one clip" and be the one ring, and print the same text and change the art, "the one ring" name is not an R or TM name
This is their way to print cards that are "unlikely to get reprinted" and thus rise quickly in price on the secondary market. So instead of having to increase the frequency of reprinting old stuff they can now just print busted new stuff under an IP that will make players buy them "just in case they get more expensive"
friend of mine was involved in a magic arena survey group, they and the other participants were asked if they would be interested in a universes within version of beyond characters on arena as it's own set. the transformers were depicted as ixalan gnome constructs in the art, the doctors were also there as unique innistrad characters. they all had unique art, too. feels like its just a matter of time.
@@TheEvolver311 they went back on that a long time ago. What are they gonna do reprint entire sets? Ah yes this new set is universes within called "Dukes of the circles".
@@Reaprar no they specifically said that all UB cards will be available to reprint just that some will be as needed and they will not simply reprint entire sets. But I'd a random AC assassin suddenly blows up and we need more they will print the UW version.
@@TheEvolver311 Mark rosewater specifically said on his blog that he can no longer confirm that they will make any UW versions of cards and that things have changed.
If they do a universes within version of all of these cards then people can essentially run 8 copies in their decks...... that's going to be a problem for some cards....
@@MikeSmith-pz2is too bad. in universe reprints are required for any of these cards to have ever been acceptable to print in the first place. they had already promised to do that before lord of the rings came out.
Wait so when you print powerful cards from a different ip UT cause price issues because it damn near impossible to reprint in later well slap me silly and call me Billy who would have thought
Wait so you're telling me a 4 mana indestructible colourless card that you can put in any deck that makes you basically immune for 1 turn and draws you 10 cards and still hasn't been banned is up to $100? Fuck me, It's unfortunate that my local oracle moved away 2 years ago so I wasn't shocked that this happened.
The Fourteenth Doctor is significant because he's the only four color doctor commander, which means pairing him with Vislor Turlough or Clara Oswald is the only way to have a WUBRG Doctor deck
And making a in universe Version of the doctor is difficult, since there are multiple cards that only work with "time lord" creatures. And I would not be suprised if "time lord" is copyright of the whole dr who ip
@@lordskyline9766 Same issue with the Warhammer decks. "Necron," "Astartes," and "Tyrannid" can't be reprinted, so they will need totally different creature types that WotC says "these are the newnames for those creature types."
I was starting to write a Secret Lair Masters joke, then you beat me to it. I can’t decide if it will be a $100 box nobody wants or a $500 box nobody can find.
@@krasudreal3948you cannot, the universes within cards have at the bottom what they equate to, so "Wernog, Rider's chaplain" has R = SLD 347, which is "Will the wise". Rules wise they are the same card, even though there is very little to denote that upon a glance.
They’ll reprint it as a Magic-lore (whatever that even is these days, amirite?) reprint like the Street Fighter and stranger things cards, but only sell the reprint as part of a limited Secret Lair set that sells out in first minute, thus only duplicating the problem.
The rules thing that tells you which cards are the same card and not just functional reprints (naming one with say Pithing Needle names both; you can only have four of both total and only one of them in EDH) is the = in the bottom text, for example the =SLD143 on Greymond - the set code for Rick. I'm not saying that's a good system, but it's the "Godzilla frame without having to actually include the trademarked name" system they're working with.
I think the issue you described with Zethi & Chun-Li is really just a case of players remembering the first printing the best. If someone tells me they're playing "Mechagodzilla," I'll have no clue what it does. But if they say they're playing "Hangarback Walker," I'll know exactly what it does because Hangarback Walker was its name upon release. Same thing with Chun-Li. Her name was originally Chun-Li, so when someone says they're playing Chun-Li, I know what card they mean. But when they say they're playing Zethi, I have no clue until I read the card, because that isn't the name I associate with the card since I've spent years playing with and against Chun-Li as Chun-Li. It's hammered into my brain at that point.
I found out about Zethi first, and only learned about Chun-Li when I saw the site was using said Zethi had a sub $1 print and a $15 print and I looked at what the differences were.
I think part of the issue is that the Universes Beyond cards were so clearly designed to represent the IP that they hail from. The Ryu card, for example, has Training because the character is obsessed with training to perfect his martial arts, and it uses the untap symbol in its Hadoken ability cost because the direction of the arrow mimics the directional input used to perform the move in Street Fighter. When all of that care and attention is covered up by a coat of Magic-themed paint, at least in my opinion, the result feels soulless and off-putting. Like Zethi only exists as a skinsuit to obscure Chun-Li. She doesn't have any of her own lore and will likely never get a new card in a future set.
We've got multiple solutions and all of them stink outside of WotC doing something. a) Suck it up b) Petition WotC to make a 'counts as' card the way they have with other things 3) Hope that WotC sees sense and Bans cards like this from competitive formats because Universes beyond was a daft idea for eternal competitive formats F) everyone in formats that are not competition uses proxies G) Do something that will upset Vince and make him put another video up about it.
Or just make another card with the exact same effect. The rules text on that printing say that a library can only have 2 of them in it and restrict THE ONE RING to 2 copies per deck in all formats. It's not like there aren't a multitude of cards whose only difference is the name
So long, of course, as the art doesn't match that of any previous depiction in, say, the films. Because while The One Ring as an object in Tolkien's work would fall into Public Domain, the depictions of it in the films would not because they came out much later. So WotC would need to commission new art (which, admittedly, they would probably do anyway) that doesn't wholly resemble the Peter Jackson version.
@@Bluecho4The One Ring as depicted in Jackson's version has engraved Elvish text running around it, but the main set Magic version is just completely smooth all around (unlike the version PK shows here). It seems like they already did everything with the intent to make it as "not the Jackson movies" as they could, I believe because they didn't actually have rights to those, just the original LOTR IP.
Yes, but also no. WotC will want to remain on good terms with FUTURE licensors for UB. Part of doing that is staying on good terms with their previous licensees. I'm sure WotC would politely ask for permission just to stay on good terms with the Tolkien estate, and to send a signal that they're looking to be long-term partners, not take-the-money-and-run types.
@@japplek Is that a problem for a setting that has a multiverse with infinite possibilities? Kamigawa has neon LEDs and cybernetic enhancements and no one complained about the cyberpunk aesthetic. They most definitely have more contemporary inventions we just never saw them. That's not 'MTG' either.
Absolutely wild that they didn't just use the reskin tech from the Godzilla cards for Universes Beyond. They could even have put the real card name as a card that didnt exist yet as a little tease for players if they needed to get the UB card out first for contractual reasons.
@RaunienTheFirst because mechanical functions in set often try to "vibe" with the set. WotC has specifically stated that they will rename UW versions of unique UB mechanics that might require it due to the mechanic name being tied into the IP.
I didn't even realize that the in-universe reprints are the same instance of a card as the universes beyond version. I figured they were functional reprints like Elvish Mystic is a functional reprint of Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves. This seems way more complicated than it needs to be.
When the Walking Dead trash came out, I proxied an in-universe version of Daryl (as the Magic character Halana) because I dislike the Walking Dead and I wanted the effect in my commander deck. Then they made the UW version and I couldn't find it anywhere in my city, and it ended up being a big struggle to find a Hansk, Slayer Zealot. It was a really annoying experience, and that wasn't even for one of the expensive and competitive cards.
No. The very *last* thing we need is another Reserve List driving card prices up. The *only* factor at all tempering card speculation right now is fear of a rapid double-reprint. You remove that fear, and you’ll bump up everything put on the List by at least 33%.
I have no idea why people think Wizards wouldn't just do another Lord of the Rings set. It's their best selling set of all time. There's no way they don't do a follow-up in a few years.
An additional problem is that it is possible that in the contracts, these IPs were dictated that they couldn't share names like the Godzilla cards. That these had to be entirely unique cards. And that it is further problematic that these currently unique cards have a contract life that WotC/Hasbro has to keep, and that they're not allowed to even print the same cards as a different name like Rick until that portion of the contract's life is expired. Contracts are complicated, and none of us are privy to them.
They need to create in-universe parallels that are easy to recognise. (Create a character that has 15 incarnations - and then people just need to remember X is the Doctor). Or they could go very generic like "Fellowship Company Leader", "Fellowship Wizard", "Fellowship Archer". Things that are easy to remember the mapping of.
Naw they just use the "guest" slot, you should to look up and read their official announcement for how they will reprint these things. It's not going to be quickly done, it's been about 2 years average so far.
@@duplexubiquitaryno he said there will not be a dedicated reprint product for them the official statement says that they will reprint any UB as UW as needed aka the ones that actually are in demand.
@@TheEvolver311He said that right now, it isn’t feasible. My point in saying that it is “inevitable” is that at some point, it will be both feasible and necessary.
@duplexubiquitary printing the entire set isn't feasible, specifically said that they will reprint the UW version as needed. We probably won't see a LotR = UW version till after 2026 because that is when the LotR packs will no longer be available on Arena.
Just remake the card with the same effect, but different name and art with the ledger of "original card: one ring" or serial number. They same thing they did with Godzilla and Miku, just in reverse- they're just reprinting an alternate version of their card free of the actual name
That's what they're already doing with Universes Within cards. See the =SLD thing on the bottom? That's a reference to the original collector's number so within the rules it's technically the same card.
@@Confruggy that's good to know, then the only problem is the frequency at which they do it. Would help drive prices down if they and make the cards more accessible if they did that, but thats pretty unrealistic to expect from them ig
Damn you bringing up some great points, as a fairly new player I would have noticed it being a functional reprint but wouldn’t know it’s illegal to use both in a deck, they aren’t the same card! WOTC do have a real mess on their hands with this, very confusing
See here the thing. This set recently had a special reprint not too long ago. There’s no reason they’d want to reprint it again after that since technically that special edition one, tanked it’s normal set for a while there. I just hope people understand that these multiverse sets aren’t normal mtg sets and some really good cards in them, have a chance at becoming very expensive. This is very much a thing.
Fully agree on Universes Beyond and "in-universe," reskinned cards are much better. It's like when you learn someone's name wrong and keep getting it wrong. It's difficult to unlearn it, and so when you learn the in-universe name much, much later (since they want to give the Beyond version plenty of time to sell), your brain goes "oh it's Rick, I'm not going to read or memorize this" and as a result you just know both cards as Rick forever
The issue with the 14th Doc getting an in-Universe version is why the hell would we start having Doctors being a core creature type. Unless they change what he's looking for off the top, it would be weird having an in-Universe card looking for Universes Beyond cards. And I hate the DW cards, so I'm fine without more of it.
The one with the hand is THE only other version besides 001/001, that actually has TEXT on the ring. I got one. It was the cheapest version at the time, at a steal of $37. Fuck my ass, that's good value.
11:00 idk how you'd do in-universe Doctors considering their creature type would still need to be "time lord doctor". And that specific creature type matters for a whole bunch of those cards.
i bought the bundle that gave a full art copy of the one ring and the card is now worth £20 more than what i played and i got other strong cards like gandalf
12:24 the term you were looking to differentiate is "functional reprint". It's for two different cards that are functionally exactly the same except name, versus an actual reprint (albeit a different skin) like the in-universe version of Rick.
6:50 Gotta contemporize them somewhere. Maybe Modern Horizons 4 has new 'MOMteamup" cards and we see one or two with these characters palling with other extant characters.
But it is so simple to identify the Universes Within Cards! You just have to check the bottom left where it is written in tiny font “=SLD X”, where X is the number of the Secret Lair card, and we all have those memorized, right?
Lolol Rick was a grail card for my Winota deck but then I pulled Greymound. And just like Vince said, I stared at it and thought "why does that effect sound familiar" for like 30 seconds xD
I'm ambivalent on UB. I like many of the cards and UB sets or precons they've made so far. I don't like issues they have caused and that's almost entirely because most of these problems were avoidable. I also don't like mixing flavor - but I already feel that way about many of Magic's own themes and planes. What irks me is when flavor is unbalanced; when eg most of your deck is 'nice' cards and then you add in an 'evil' feeling card, just because it's good. So... a UB Horizons would be sick. All the flavors, mashed together, in what would surely be a strong as hell limited environment and a chance to make additional flavorful cards for each UB property? Hell yeah, I'm up for that.
How so, they have a reprint solution already. TOR is still out in the wild LotR booster boxes. Sheoldred is a Standard regular ass magic card that costs $70-90, so it obviously isn't that it's a UB product but that it's a highly demanded card for both competitive and casual formats. No body wants to talk about EDH inflating the cost of cards more and more.
@d.w.7203 it is certainly a massive segment of the playerbase that people never factor in. Any new card worth a damn in constructed is also in demand for Edh and Edh also incentives the secondary market to push for as high a price as possible since most players are only ever purchasing a individual card once not playsets
Whats worse too is that the bundles are being scalped for an over the top price of $200 dollars when the bundle isnt even worth that price. So there is no winning in trying to get The One Ring.
Several people wanted to buy copies from me. Told them I'd ship them for going rate (so better than online prices by 7%) but not my regular discount because I wasn't eager to sell them. They all said no because $50‐55 was too expensive. Really glad I never sold any and still have all 23 (+ any sealed) copies!
Explain to a new player why they can run Llanowar Elves + Elvish Mystic + Fyndhorn Elves in their commander deck, but not Rick, Steadfast Leader + Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart without coming across as that one guy that makes up rules on the spot when they're losing challenge
I hear LOTR 2 is in the works. Would not surprise me to see it reprinted there. Also a name like "The One Ring" is innocuous enough that it can be reprinted in a Masters/Horizons/Supplemental set with little difficultly. Its also not on the Reserved List, so an original IP "The One Ring" parallel can be printed, as well
If it were "Sauron's Ring of Power" maybe we'd have an argument for it being too contextually unique. But that it's as simple as "The One Ring," makes it quite easy to shoe horn into even the story and thus a Standard set. "The One Ring" could be on a Halo-esque Space Ring plane in the future (creative wordplay allotted.) "The One Ring" could also even see print as a Special Guest/Showcase rare in any given set, really. WotC's proven there's very little rhyme or reason to Bonus Sheet cards, anymore.
The reason sets don’t come to Arena just has to do with the workload involved in coding all the cards. Plus every standard set they want a mastery, they did an alternate mastery for MH3 but I don’t think they want to compete with themselves more than that
The issue with ‘The One Ring’ getting a in universe version is the ring tempting you mechanic and whether they want to continue having the ring tempt outside of Lord of the rings. It would be brilliant (but unlikely) if they could renew the licence for Lord of the rings and maybe do an expansion of it, maybe include the other 19 rings, the silmarils(make the silmarils what people want to chase after like the one ring), pulls some more from the first and second age for new cards, reprint the 4 commander decks but maybe add a two new commander decks 1. A Morgoth deck(Sauron’s master)2. Possibly a Beren and Lúthien with lúthien (human/elf deck) as the companion to Beren as a commander
If universes beyond stuff really strikes me as Reserved List 2.0, in part because they’re legal on other formats. If Universes Beyond was a series of boxed games and draft sets to play against itself it could still popular as its own format w/o being Legacy chase or modern chase cards.
I do think that with the success of the LotR crossover, its also very possible that both parties would be interested in doing more collabs, which could easily include a clause that just lets them print more TOR outside of the crossover products. Like, the tolkien estate is very likely happy with things and it seems unlikely they wouldn't want to make even more money. While ongoing IPs might be less intetested in a long-term partnership, LotR seems like the possible exception.
I hadn’t realized that the one ring had gotten so expensive. My play group has gone to allowing proxies and we just have a gentleman’s agreement to keep our power level where it has been. It’s great that wizards is coming out with new products but the game has gotten too expensive and we are just getting flooded with too many new sets constantly.
So, just for rules clarification I have to ask a question. Provided both the Universes Beyond card and its Universes Within version are in the same format, could you technically run eight copies of the same card? The only reason why I ask is because the Universes Within cards we currently do have don't have that little name box underneath the name of the card telling you which Universes Beyond card it is, which makes them different cards with different names.
i totally agreen, the fact that orcs are already a thing within universe since Alpha with Orcish Artillery, means that Orcish Bowmaster shouldn't be a problem. also, maybe they can reprint it with a cost of 1BB instead. that would be a nice reference to Alpha Orcish Artillery. for the 'the One Ring' if they do reprint it, i hope they can do the opposite of what they did with the walking dead cards, and just put the One Ring as name under the in-universe name instead. in a similar frame to those of the godzilla cards.
Never even thought of the fact that you can't "double up" on a card with it's in-universe version. Trying to explain that to a new player vs every other functional reprint of llanowar elves like elvish mystic is going to be fun...
For universes beyond they could still make brand new cards and also future proof by giving every universes beyond cards an in-universe name below their I.P. names even if the in-universe isn’t printed yet
The printing frequency/availability of the Walking Dead In universe cards were SOO much less than the ones for Stranger Things. I can't remember the exact math, but Stranger things was something like 12.5% chance (to pull in a set booster) to
don't give them ideas for even more products... That said, I think Lotr was successful enough that they could strike a deal for reprints later on, but it's of course never guaranteed.
On the topic of LoTR staples being reprinted, Delighted Halfling and Bowmasters have zero issue as far as I can tell. Orcs and halflings already exist, and the creature types on both cards are not unique to the set. They don't do anything mechanically unique enough to where they would be out of place in a regular magic set. Except amass orcs maybe, but that seems easy to rectify
Amass has been done before, it's not a new keyword.They just changed the rulings to name a creature type because before LotR amass specifically meant "amass Zombies".
I am almost certain that when they announced Tales of Middle Earth, it was very specifically called out as their FIRST Lord of the Rings MTG collaboration. Since it was their best selling set by a pretty wide margin, I would be willing to bet that 2025 will have a huge Marvel tie in followed by a 2nd LOTR set in 2026.
The reality is that the relentless pursuit of endless growth that led to Universes Beyond has loastardized Magic beyond salvation at this point. Hasbro sold Magic's soul.
Hear me out here, I actually agree with wizards on this one. So any universe beyond card that is a reprint gets the original name printed on it. Any in universe card that is a functional reprint of a universes beyond card is still the original in universe print of the card, so if they ever redo it as a universes beyond again it'll have the in universe name on it forever. Functionally universes beyond cards don't count as being the original in universe version. It gets muddled quite a bit by this stuff being legal throughout. Also, I love the Idea of just being chill with the different versions being there
They can always print SLX versions, it's fine. The One Ring is essentially a new Mana Crypt, but with broader format application. They'll let it ride to about $200-300 and then reprint it under a new name. Ragavan was in this boat not long ago, prior to the Multiverse Legends reprint.
I sincerely believe that if any UB property has a likely part two it’ll probably be LotR. Set sold well so they’ll cash in on that and a One Ring reprint would certainly help to move units, unless it is obsolete by then.
I do get it, but it feels odd to me that they wouldn't be able to reprint THE CARDS THEY ALREADY MADE when they feel like it. Sure, it's Tolkien's IP, but it's Hasbro's product, and while it makes perfect sense they couldn't make more, additional content under the LotR umbrella, without another contract, it seems like they'd get access to the product they have already made whenever they want. They wouldn't be able to make a seventh Gandalf, but the six varieties they already made should be contractually theirs, as much as Tolkien Estate's, to be used again the sane way they already contracted to use it. Then again, I'm dumb, in this kind of stuff, so I don't know.
I've seen this idea before. The biggest issue with it is taking all the disparate cards and putting them together in a draftable environment. The cards are all designed separately from each other with no intention of ever having them interact in a limited environment. If aftermath boosters had been a success, they would be the obvious answer. You don't have to worry about the limited environment if the packs aren't draftable. However, aftermath was an utter failure, and I'm betting assassin's creed won't do well either. Whats likely to happen now, if they do even go with this idea of a universes within masters set, is that not every needed reprint makes it, and it ends up getting spread over multiple sets and possibly even becoming a regular recurring set type, like horizons sets, or returns to ravnica, depending on how many cards need reprinting and how fast the output of UB is moving forward.
I mean if you "need" four copies... For people playing commander it also sucks that people needing playsets sort of increases the prizes as well. Yes they aren't to blame but also they kinda are
The trouble is, unless a “reprint” set of universe within is like 1000 cards deep, we are not going to cover the amount of reprints needed, we are probably a few years away from that, and we have got so much more sub stuff coming. Unless they only reprint the really expensive ones, which is an option I would be happy with, but wouldn’t that involve wotc acknowledging the secondary market, which they refuse to do.
Have burden counters be on the player rather then the card itself, like experience counters. Way more flavorful, showing the burden and temptation of putting the ring on and off over and over. That burden doesn’t go away when you take the ring off.
the reason we don't know the names of universes within cars is because we'd already logged them as rick or eleven or whoever. it doesn't help that they often have evocative mechanics that don't translate in universe well (e.g. chun li's multikicker)
Universes Within Masters was the solution I was thinking of (transhuman instead astartes, Xeno instead of tyranid, gothmog and ghazkul can team up, etc)
a couple days ago I was deciding between Vorinclex or The One Ring. (I had $80 in card kingdom store credit to play with) Every single copy of The One Ring was sold out so that made my choice for me and i got a $65 Vorinclex Monstrous Raider (Showcase) I built a poison counter/proliferate phyrexian deck and I can not wait to get my Vorinclex
My worry with Universes Within versions of stuff like Doctor Who, Warhammer and all that is about the way outside IP has been integrated into game mechanics. I'm already not particularly stoked about the fact that the Universes Within versions of The Walking Dead cards still make Walker tokens, and I feel like we'll get the same with creature types like Time Lord or Astartes (if and when we get Warhammer Universes Within). On the one hand, just in terms of flavor; unless Teferi takes up medicine, an in-universe creature that's a Time Lord and a Doctor would probably feel very shoehorned in; and on the other hand, in terms of licensing; did they have the foresight when making the contracts to give themselves the right to keep using the parts of the other IP that's going into the core game rules proper?
The MTGgoldfish team did make the statement/joke that it doesn’t matter if they can reprint the One Ring or not, it’ll just get power creeped out of the format in a few years anyway. I laughed, then I cried.
It will join the Snapcaster Mage, Bloodbraid Elf book club
Ban the original everywhere. Make a SLIGHTLY WORSE version.
they’re not wrong 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@T_Peazy they did that in historic 🤔
@caseykiesling4348 modern won't be fixed until Watchwolf is the premiere threat
at the very least, The One Ring should've been printed with "you can only have one copy of TOR in your deck"
Would be great flavor-wise
It should have been printed with the counters going on the player not the ring itself. THat way you can still play 4 but the next one doesn't reset the counters. From a flavor standpoint....The ring rempts you, not itself.
@@Zauzziethis has its downsides. Even if the opponent removes the one ring, your next copy of the one ring will immediately draw you cards. Also means you can't respond to the ring being tapped to prevent the player from drawing cards.
@@simanolastname2399 that's a completely fair down side and removes the major upside. So yeah they cast another and can tap for more cards turn it's down then die in a turn or 2 from all the damage.
@@Zauzzie they could add the clause "You cannot cast a spell named "The One Ring" for the rest of the game. If The One Ring would leave the battlefield, exile it instead.". This way there are no blink shennanigans and having 4 copies of the card would result in dead cards after the first one is played.
"We printed cards directly into eternal formats so they could be really busted, but now people actually want the busted cards? How could we have predicted this!?" - WOTC
Modern has always had pricing issues, WoTC couldn't/wouldn't even reprint their own stuff enough to drive prices down.
Perhaps players shouldn't have whinned and cried for a direct to Modern set even though Maro warned that it would forever change the format.
@@TheEvolver311 fking no one was asking for direct to modern sets.
People where crying for modern masters sets, where they reprint cool cards in a draftable environment. I've never seen anyone want a direct to modern set of new cards.
@garak55 go watch PK video about the announcement for MH1 or Saffron Olives
A victory for the community, we nagged wotc into giving us what we asked for. If I had to sum it up.
Go look at prominent forums of the time like MTGSalvation all the threads are about we need new cards designed for Modern.
You are simply being a revisionist to say it any other way.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I was so hyped to return to Magic and play Modern but then I saw what modern horizons did to the format and just nope. That leaves me with Commander and Pauper. Thanks Wizards.
What kills me is that they HAD the technology to avoid so much of this: alias cards. The Godzilla frame would've prevented most of the problems here.
They did know it, but a either the IP holders or Wotc didn't want to have the words of an unrelated card printed on the crossover.
I'VE BEEN LIVID ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS. Every time, *every time* Universes Beyond gets brought up, my number 1 gripe is "they are mechanically unique, with no in-universe equivalent." We *have* a frame for reskin guest cards. They *know* how to use them. *Why* on God's green earth do they not use it for every UB card?
i think is possible to do alias cards still, you can create "the one clip" and be the one ring, and print the same text and change the art, "the one ring" name is not an R or TM name
nothing stops wotc from having a functional reprint, new card that does the same thing, call is ring part 2 or whatever.
This is their way to print cards that are "unlikely to get reprinted" and thus rise quickly in price on the secondary market. So instead of having to increase the frequency of reprinting old stuff they can now just print busted new stuff under an IP that will make players buy them "just in case they get more expensive"
friend of mine was involved in a magic arena survey group, they and the other participants were asked if they would be interested in a universes within version of beyond characters on arena as it's own set. the transformers were depicted as ixalan gnome constructs in the art, the doctors were also there as unique innistrad characters. they all had unique art, too. feels like its just a matter of time.
WotC already said eventually every uniquely named UB card will get a UW reprint.
@@TheEvolver311 they went back on that a long time ago. What are they gonna do reprint entire sets? Ah yes this new set is universes within called "Dukes of the circles".
@@Reaprar no they specifically said that all UB cards will be available to reprint just that some will be as needed and they will not simply reprint entire sets. But I'd a random AC assassin suddenly blows up and we need more they will print the UW version.
@@TheEvolver311 Mark rosewater specifically said on his blog that he can no longer confirm that they will make any UW versions of cards and that things have changed.
@@Reaprar what post? Because I can only find him reaffirming that UB will get selective UW
I hope WOTC goes with the in-universe reprint and call it "Nox Ring" as an antithesis of Sol Ring
The Mox Ring. A fusion of a Mox with a Sol Ring
If they do a universes within version of all of these cards then people can essentially run 8 copies in their decks...... that's going to be a problem for some cards....
@@FelipeASaito Wasnt that in Thunder Junction?
@@MikeSmith-pz2isthat’s not how universes within works
@@MikeSmith-pz2is too bad. in universe reprints are required for any of these cards to have ever been acceptable to print in the first place.
they had already promised to do that before lord of the rings came out.
The Two Ring incoming.
The other ring
The Singular Ring
The Zero Ring. It's only available in the bonus slot of Secret Lairs.
Wait so when you print powerful cards from a different ip UT cause price issues because it damn near impossible to reprint in later well slap me silly and call me Billy who would have thought
The one rong II
Wait so you're telling me a 4 mana indestructible colourless card that you can put in any deck that makes you basically immune for 1 turn and draws you 10 cards and still hasn't been banned is up to $100?
Fuck me, It's unfortunate that my local oracle moved away 2 years ago so I wasn't shocked that this happened.
Where's Thassa's Oracle when you need them the most? 😔
It'd be funny if most the content creators didn't think the card was garbo in preview season
Man magic used to be good.
@@TheEvolver311maybe don’t watch mouth breathers
Exactly it's broken, boring garbage. Ban it.
The Fourteenth Doctor is significant because he's the only four color doctor commander, which means pairing him with Vislor Turlough or Clara Oswald is the only way to have a WUBRG Doctor deck
And making a in universe Version of the doctor is difficult, since there are multiple cards that only work with "time lord" creatures. And I would not be suprised if "time lord" is copyright of the whole dr who ip
@@lordskyline9766 Same issue with the Warhammer decks. "Necron," "Astartes," and "Tyrannid" can't be reprinted, so they will need totally different creature types that WotC says "these are the newnames for those creature types."
Morophon, the Boundless, is my Oops All Doctors commander.
does maskwood nexus + gallifrey stands count as a doctor deck? ;)
Or Jodah. Jodah dresses VERY timelord esc when you take a look at him. Looks like a younger regeneration of Rassilon in some ways.
I was starting to write a Secret Lair Masters joke, then you beat me to it.
I can’t decide if it will be a $100 box nobody wants or a $500 box nobody can find.
They could easily skin the one ring as Nicol Bolas' spirit gem
But then you will be able to run 8 one rings in your deck
@@krasudreal3948you cannot, the universes within cards have at the bottom what they equate to, so "Wernog, Rider's chaplain" has R = SLD 347, which is "Will the wise". Rules wise they are the same card, even though there is very little to denote that upon a glance.
Easily the best way to reskin The One Ring. Make it happen, WotC.
pretty sure they don't even need to do that The one ring not copyrighted just the Art is so they could just use generic ring art and call it good
The gem of becoming?
They’ll reprint it as a Magic-lore (whatever that even is these days, amirite?) reprint like the Street Fighter and stranger things cards, but only sell the reprint as part of a limited Secret Lair set that sells out in first minute, thus only duplicating the problem.
They should do an entire Universes Within set that reprints all Universes Beyond cards under MtG skin
Magic lore is just a clown show at this point. They might as well just have the ub cards in it lol
The rules thing that tells you which cards are the same card and not just functional reprints (naming one with say Pithing Needle names both; you can only have four of both total and only one of them in EDH) is the = in the bottom text, for example the =SLD143 on Greymond - the set code for Rick. I'm not saying that's a good system, but it's the "Godzilla frame without having to actually include the trademarked name" system they're working with.
I think the issue you described with Zethi & Chun-Li is really just a case of players remembering the first printing the best. If someone tells me they're playing "Mechagodzilla," I'll have no clue what it does. But if they say they're playing "Hangarback Walker," I'll know exactly what it does because Hangarback Walker was its name upon release.
Same thing with Chun-Li. Her name was originally Chun-Li, so when someone says they're playing Chun-Li, I know what card they mean. But when they say they're playing Zethi, I have no clue until I read the card, because that isn't the name I associate with the card since I've spent years playing with and against Chun-Li as Chun-Li. It's hammered into my brain at that point.
I found out about Zethi first, and only learned about Chun-Li when I saw the site was using said Zethi had a sub $1 print and a $15 print and I looked at what the differences were.
I think part of the issue is that the Universes Beyond cards were so clearly designed to represent the IP that they hail from. The Ryu card, for example, has Training because the character is obsessed with training to perfect his martial arts, and it uses the untap symbol in its Hadoken ability cost because the direction of the arrow mimics the directional input used to perform the move in Street Fighter. When all of that care and attention is covered up by a coat of Magic-themed paint, at least in my opinion, the result feels soulless and off-putting. Like Zethi only exists as a skinsuit to obscure Chun-Li. She doesn't have any of her own lore and will likely never get a new card in a future set.
We've got multiple solutions and all of them stink outside of WotC doing something.
a) Suck it up
b) Petition WotC to make a 'counts as' card the way they have with other things
3) Hope that WotC sees sense and Bans cards like this from competitive formats because Universes beyond was a daft idea for eternal competitive formats
F) everyone in formats that are not competition uses proxies
G) Do something that will upset Vince and make him put another video up about it.
There is also option XIV: Start playing checkers
@@dubsinthetubs you have my vote
Yes we have solutions and Jund saga can easily deal with Ring, but for the health of the modern. It needs a banned
Or just make another card with the exact same effect. The rules text on that printing say that a library can only have 2 of them in it and restrict THE ONE RING to 2 copies per deck in all formats.
It's not like there aren't a multitude of cards whose only difference is the name
H: stop playing 3 years ago
The One Ring Will become public domain in 2032. So in 8 years they can print it as often as they would like.
So long, of course, as the art doesn't match that of any previous depiction in, say, the films. Because while The One Ring as an object in Tolkien's work would fall into Public Domain, the depictions of it in the films would not because they came out much later. So WotC would need to commission new art (which, admittedly, they would probably do anyway) that doesn't wholly resemble the Peter Jackson version.
@@Bluecho4The One Ring as depicted in Jackson's version has engraved Elvish text running around it, but the main set Magic version is just completely smooth all around (unlike the version PK shows here). It seems like they already did everything with the intent to make it as "not the Jackson movies" as they could, I believe because they didn't actually have rights to those, just the original LOTR IP.
@@drpibisback7680 Would explain why the characters on the cards don’t look like the actors in the movies.
Yes, but also no. WotC will want to remain on good terms with FUTURE licensors for UB. Part of doing that is staying on good terms with their previous licensees. I'm sure WotC would politely ask for permission just to stay on good terms with the Tolkien estate, and to send a signal that they're looking to be long-term partners, not take-the-money-and-run types.
Tbf, you could name a card the one ring in a future set and have a ring of toadstools or wedding ring or something and still make it work.
I always enjoy how long winded Vince is, and he talks so quickly ya don't need to increase the video speed.
nah, I still have to put him at 2x speed.
Funny story, I actually didn't even know Zethi was a reskin of a Chun-Li card until I played my first Commander game with my Zethi deck
Universe Within is great. I really dig the MTG centric art of interesting, mechanically unique cards.
The mtg universe is about to include 80s slasher film parody universe. I think the mtg universe is sort of dead.
@@japplek Is that a problem for a setting that has a multiverse with infinite possibilities? Kamigawa has neon LEDs and cybernetic enhancements and no one complained about the cyberpunk aesthetic. They most definitely have more contemporary inventions we just never saw them. That's not 'MTG' either.
Who could have predicted that every single obvious outcome would come to pass?
Absolutely wild that they didn't just use the reskin tech from the Godzilla cards for Universes Beyond. They could even have put the real card name as a card that didnt exist yet as a little tease for players if they needed to get the UB card out first for contractual reasons.
Why would you think that they could secure that agreement with other more popular IPs?
@@TheEvolver311 why would the agreement be about the mechanical text of a card? The licensing is for the names and likenesses
@RaunienTheFirst because mechanical functions in set often try to "vibe" with the set. WotC has specifically stated that they will rename UW versions of unique UB mechanics that might require it due to the mechanic name being tied into the IP.
Proxy with abandon.
I've got $20 on the One Ring being reprinted as 'Ring of Command' in the next commander masters set.
I didn't even realize that the in-universe reprints are the same instance of a card as the universes beyond version. I figured they were functional reprints like Elvish Mystic is a functional reprint of Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves. This seems way more complicated than it needs to be.
I straight up had no idea Rick and Greymond were the same card and in definitely would be one of the players caught off guard by that
Still hard to imagine they put foil copies in bundles as promo cards. They made it "easy", in theory, to get ahold of. It is still freakin expensive!
Its a bloody time warp that draws you 9 extra cards. I still don't see how anyone involved in development couldn't see how broken it would be
They did. They just saw Dollar signs
"They wouldn't let them have access to their IP forever"
*glares at comic book movie rights*
*Or music licenses for video games*
I’m actually shocked they haven’t done a hobbit set and the liscense goes through next year.
Smaug, The Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities 😂
Genuinely curious why they wouldn’t. LOTR is the best selling set of all time. A hobbit set seems like a logical next step
@@falconlord7811 fr The Hobbit would be amazing 👏
When the Walking Dead trash came out, I proxied an in-universe version of Daryl (as the Magic character Halana) because I dislike the Walking Dead and I wanted the effect in my commander deck. Then they made the UW version and I couldn't find it anywhere in my city, and it ended up being a big struggle to find a Hansk, Slayer Zealot. It was a really annoying experience, and that wasn't even for one of the expensive and competitive cards.
Pleasant Kenobi: Wizards can sell this as a draft product in a year
Wizards of the coast: he’s cooking. Jot that down.
Remember when Tarmogoyf was 200$ ? Pepperidge farm remembers
We already have a reserved list, but what about a second reserved list?
No. The very *last* thing we need is another Reserve List driving card prices up.
The *only* factor at all tempering card speculation right now is fear of a rapid double-reprint.
You remove that fear, and you’ll bump up everything put on the List by at least 33%.
they're doing a joke that these Universe Beyond cards are basically a second Reserved List already
I have no idea why people think Wizards wouldn't just do another Lord of the Rings set. It's their best selling set of all time. There's no way they don't do a follow-up in a few years.
Damn, if only someone had mentioned this, perhaps even back during the first universes beyond secret lair.
An additional problem is that it is possible that in the contracts, these IPs were dictated that they couldn't share names like the Godzilla cards. That these had to be entirely unique cards. And that it is further problematic that these currently unique cards have a contract life that WotC/Hasbro has to keep, and that they're not allowed to even print the same cards as a different name like Rick until that portion of the contract's life is expired. Contracts are complicated, and none of us are privy to them.
They need to create in-universe parallels that are easy to recognise. (Create a character that has 15 incarnations - and then people just need to remember X is the Doctor).
Or they could go very generic like "Fellowship Company Leader", "Fellowship Wizard", "Fellowship Archer".
Things that are easy to remember the mapping of.
I think a full Universes Within reprint set is inevitable.
Naw they just use the "guest" slot, you should to look up and read their official announcement for how they will reprint these things.
It's not going to be quickly done, it's been about 2 years average so far.
@@TheEvolver311 That is specifically for UB cards printed in Secret Lairs. Mark Rosewater has repeated that numerous times on his blog.
@@duplexubiquitaryno he said there will not be a dedicated reprint product for them the official statement says that they will reprint any UB as UW as needed aka the ones that actually are in demand.
@@TheEvolver311He said that right now, it isn’t feasible. My point in saying that it is “inevitable” is that at some point, it will be both feasible and necessary.
@duplexubiquitary printing the entire set isn't feasible, specifically said that they will reprint the UW version as needed. We probably won't see a LotR = UW version till after 2026 because that is when the LotR packs will no longer be available on Arena.
Just remake the card with the same effect, but different name and art with the ledger of "original card: one ring" or serial number. They same thing they did with Godzilla and Miku, just in reverse- they're just reprinting an alternate version of their card free of the actual name
That's what they're already doing with Universes Within cards. See the =SLD thing on the bottom? That's a reference to the original collector's number so within the rules it's technically the same card.
@@Confruggy that's good to know, then the only problem is the frequency at which they do it. Would help drive prices down if they and make the cards more accessible if they did that, but thats pretty unrealistic to expect from them ig
Damn you bringing up some great points, as a fairly new player I would have noticed it being a functional reprint but wouldn’t know it’s illegal to use both in a deck, they aren’t the same card! WOTC do have a real mess on their hands with this, very confusing
As a Veteran Player to a New player. And I am honest and sad here: Get out of this game asap. It is only getting worse from here
See here the thing. This set recently had a special reprint not too long ago. There’s no reason they’d want to reprint it again after that since technically that special edition one, tanked it’s normal set for a while there. I just hope people understand that these multiverse sets aren’t normal mtg sets and some really good cards in them, have a chance at becoming very expensive. This is very much a thing.
Fully agree on Universes Beyond and "in-universe," reskinned cards are much better. It's like when you learn someone's name wrong and keep getting it wrong. It's difficult to unlearn it, and so when you learn the in-universe name much, much later (since they want to give the Beyond version plenty of time to sell), your brain goes "oh it's Rick, I'm not going to read or memorize this" and as a result you just know both cards as Rick forever
"your editor is also confused" got me lol
The issue with the 14th Doc getting an in-Universe version is why the hell would we start having Doctors being a core creature type. Unless they change what he's looking for off the top, it would be weird having an in-Universe card looking for Universes Beyond cards.
And I hate the DW cards, so I'm fine without more of it.
2:04 They have made non-IP versions of cards already. The stranger things cards have been reprinted with in-universe versions
So what you're saying is, you want a "Masters of the Universe" expansion? (@11:15) See what i did there? :D
The one with the hand is THE only other version besides 001/001, that actually has TEXT on the ring.
I got one. It was the cheapest version at the time, at a steal of $37.
Fuck my ass, that's good value.
11:00 idk how you'd do in-universe Doctors considering their creature type would still need to be "time lord doctor". And that specific creature type matters for a whole bunch of those cards.
Yikes
If they need a creature type that's off-limits they'll just make an in-universe type that's equivalent.
i bought the bundle that gave a full art copy of the one ring and the card is now worth £20 more than what i played and i got other strong cards like gandalf
The card is a staple in two eternal formats. Thankfully in one of them, it is a singleton but it is a very powerful card.
Proxy everything
12:24 the term you were looking to differentiate is "functional reprint". It's for two different cards that are functionally exactly the same except name, versus an actual reprint (albeit a different skin) like the in-universe version of Rick.
6:50 Gotta contemporize them somewhere. Maybe Modern Horizons 4 has new 'MOMteamup" cards and we see one or two with these characters palling with other extant characters.
But it is so simple to identify the Universes Within Cards!
You just have to check the bottom left where it is written in tiny font “=SLD X”, where X is the number of the Secret Lair card, and we all have those memorized, right?
Lolol Rick was a grail card for my Winota deck but then I pulled Greymound. And just like Vince said, I stared at it and thought "why does that effect sound familiar" for like 30 seconds xD
I'm ambivalent on UB. I like many of the cards and UB sets or precons they've made so far. I don't like issues they have caused and that's almost entirely because most of these problems were avoidable.
I also don't like mixing flavor - but I already feel that way about many of Magic's own themes and planes. What irks me is when flavor is unbalanced; when eg most of your deck is 'nice' cards and then you add in an 'evil' feeling card, just because it's good.
So... a UB Horizons would be sick. All the flavors, mashed together, in what would surely be a strong as hell limited environment and a chance to make additional flavorful cards for each UB property? Hell yeah, I'm up for that.
Wow, it's almost like regularly including outside IPs into your brand could be damaging in the long term. How shocking.
How so, they have a reprint solution already. TOR is still out in the wild LotR booster boxes. Sheoldred is a Standard regular ass magic card that costs $70-90, so it obviously isn't that it's a UB product but that it's a highly demanded card for both competitive and casual formats.
No body wants to talk about EDH inflating the cost of cards more and more.
Damaging for who? WOTC is making more money than they ever have
@@TheEvolver311 Edh is magic now
@d.w.7203 it is certainly a massive segment of the playerbase that people never factor in. Any new card worth a damn in constructed is also in demand for Edh and Edh also incentives the secondary market to push for as high a price as possible since most players are only ever purchasing a individual card once not playsets
Whats worse too is that the bundles are being scalped for an over the top price of $200 dollars when the bundle isnt even worth that price. So there is no winning in trying to get The One Ring.
Several people wanted to buy copies from me. Told them I'd ship them for going rate (so better than online prices by 7%) but not my regular discount because I wasn't eager to sell them. They all said no because $50‐55 was too expensive. Really glad I never sold any and still have all 23 (+ any sealed) copies!
Explain to a new player why they can run Llanowar Elves + Elvish Mystic + Fyndhorn Elves in their commander deck, but not Rick, Steadfast Leader + Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart without coming across as that one guy that makes up rules on the spot when they're losing challenge
To be fair, it is technically printed on the card... in the form of what is essentially fine print above the artist credit, and only on Greymond
I hear LOTR 2 is in the works. Would not surprise me to see it reprinted there. Also a name like "The One Ring" is innocuous enough that it can be reprinted in a Masters/Horizons/Supplemental set with little difficultly. Its also not on the Reserved List, so an original IP "The One Ring" parallel can be printed, as well
If it were "Sauron's Ring of Power" maybe we'd have an argument for it being too contextually unique. But that it's as simple as "The One Ring," makes it quite easy to shoe horn into even the story and thus a Standard set. "The One Ring" could be on a Halo-esque Space Ring plane in the future (creative wordplay allotted.) "The One Ring" could also even see print as a Special Guest/Showcase rare in any given set, really. WotC's proven there's very little rhyme or reason to Bonus Sheet cards, anymore.
"The One Ring" is copyrighted. WOTC can't just reprint it.
@@JohnFromAccounting They can still move toward a functional reprint
The reason sets don’t come to Arena just has to do with the workload involved in coding all the cards. Plus every standard set they want a mastery, they did an alternate mastery for MH3 but I don’t think they want to compete with themselves more than that
The issue with ‘The One Ring’ getting a in universe version is the ring tempting you mechanic and whether they want to continue having the ring tempt outside of Lord of the rings.
It would be brilliant (but unlikely) if they could renew the licence for Lord of the rings and maybe do an expansion of it, maybe include the other 19 rings, the silmarils(make the silmarils what people want to chase after like the one ring), pulls some more from the first and second age for new cards, reprint the 4 commander decks but maybe add a two new commander decks 1. A Morgoth deck(Sauron’s master)2. Possibly a Beren and Lúthien with lúthien (human/elf deck) as the companion to Beren as a commander
British Summer heat.
What is it up to, 75F?
If universes beyond stuff really strikes me as Reserved List 2.0, in part because they’re legal on other formats. If Universes Beyond was a series of boxed games and draft sets to play against itself it could still popular as its own format w/o being Legacy chase or modern chase cards.
I do think that with the success of the LotR crossover, its also very possible that both parties would be interested in doing more collabs, which could easily include a clause that just lets them print more TOR outside of the crossover products. Like, the tolkien estate is very likely happy with things and it seems unlikely they wouldn't want to make even more money.
While ongoing IPs might be less intetested in a long-term partnership, LotR seems like the possible exception.
I hadn’t realized that the one ring had gotten so expensive. My play group has gone to allowing proxies and we just have a gentleman’s agreement to keep our power level where it has been. It’s great that wizards is coming out with new products but the game has gotten too expensive and we are just getting flooded with too many new sets constantly.
So, just for rules clarification I have to ask a question. Provided both the Universes Beyond card and its Universes Within version are in the same format, could you technically run eight copies of the same card? The only reason why I ask is because the Universes Within cards we currently do have don't have that little name box underneath the name of the card telling you which Universes Beyond card it is, which makes them different cards with different names.
I think they should make thein universe one ring be Chandra and nissa wedding ring, make it a big vorthos celebration
i totally agreen, the fact that orcs are already a thing within universe since Alpha with Orcish Artillery, means that Orcish Bowmaster shouldn't be a problem.
also, maybe they can reprint it with a cost of 1BB instead. that would be a nice reference to Alpha Orcish Artillery.
for the 'the One Ring' if they do reprint it, i hope they can do the opposite of what they did with the walking dead cards, and just put the One Ring as name under the in-universe name instead. in a similar frame to those of the godzilla cards.
Never even thought of the fact that you can't "double up" on a card with it's in-universe version. Trying to explain that to a new player vs every other functional reprint of llanowar elves like elvish mystic is going to be fun...
For universes beyond they could still make brand new cards and also future proof by giving every universes beyond cards an in-universe name below their I.P. names even if the in-universe isn’t printed yet
I had not really thought of this before, good point. I think that the exclusivity of the Secret Lair stuff irks me.
The printing frequency/availability of the Walking Dead In universe cards were SOO much less than the ones for Stranger Things. I can't remember the exact math, but Stranger things was something like 12.5% chance (to pull in a set booster) to
don't give them ideas for even more products...
That said, I think Lotr was successful enough that they could strike a deal for reprints later on, but it's of course never guaranteed.
I bought the bundle for the guaranteed One Ring for $90 bucks. I just so happened to get 2 The One Rings inside of it
On the topic of LoTR staples being reprinted, Delighted Halfling and Bowmasters have zero issue as far as I can tell. Orcs and halflings already exist, and the creature types on both cards are not unique to the set. They don't do anything mechanically unique enough to where they would be out of place in a regular magic set. Except amass orcs maybe, but that seems easy to rectify
Those cards can be reprinted. Samwise or Forth Eorlingas can't. It's a weird situation.
Amass has been done before, it's not a new keyword.They just changed the rulings to name a creature type because before LotR amass specifically meant "amass Zombies".
I am almost certain that when they announced Tales of Middle Earth, it was very specifically called out as their FIRST Lord of the Rings MTG collaboration. Since it was their best selling set by a pretty wide margin, I would be willing to bet that 2025 will have a huge Marvel tie in followed by a 2nd LOTR set in 2026.
The reality is that the relentless pursuit of endless growth that led to Universes Beyond has loastardized Magic beyond salvation at this point. Hasbro sold Magic's soul.
Just print "in universe" version. Done?
Hear me out here, I actually agree with wizards on this one. So any universe beyond card that is a reprint gets the original name printed on it. Any in universe card that is a functional reprint of a universes beyond card is still the original in universe print of the card, so if they ever redo it as a universes beyond again it'll have the in universe name on it forever. Functionally universes beyond cards don't count as being the original in universe version. It gets muddled quite a bit by this stuff being legal throughout.
Also, I love the Idea of just being chill with the different versions being there
They can always print SLX versions, it's fine. The One Ring is essentially a new Mana Crypt, but with broader format application. They'll let it ride to about $200-300 and then reprint it under a new name. Ragavan was in this boat not long ago, prior to the Multiverse Legends reprint.
I sincerely believe that if any UB property has a likely part two it’ll probably be LotR. Set sold well so they’ll cash in on that and a One Ring reprint would certainly help to move units, unless it is obsolete by then.
I just grabbed one of those borderless prints in foil. Very nice looking card. Hard to believe the standard version is more expensive.
They are probably gonna do a universe beyond chaos limited product using all the licenses that they can reprint
I have both a single copy of The One Ring and the bundle The One Ring.
Never ever letting them go.
I do get it, but it feels odd to me that they wouldn't be able to reprint THE CARDS THEY ALREADY MADE when they feel like it. Sure, it's Tolkien's IP, but it's Hasbro's product, and while it makes perfect sense they couldn't make more, additional content under the LotR umbrella, without another contract, it seems like they'd get access to the product they have already made whenever they want. They wouldn't be able to make a seventh Gandalf, but the six varieties they already made should be contractually theirs, as much as Tolkien Estate's, to be used again the sane way they already contracted to use it. Then again, I'm dumb, in this kind of stuff, so I don't know.
Sounds right to me.
I've seen this idea before. The biggest issue with it is taking all the disparate cards and putting them together in a draftable environment. The cards are all designed separately from each other with no intention of ever having them interact in a limited environment.
If aftermath boosters had been a success, they would be the obvious answer. You don't have to worry about the limited environment if the packs aren't draftable. However, aftermath was an utter failure, and I'm betting assassin's creed won't do well either.
Whats likely to happen now, if they do even go with this idea of a universes within masters set, is that not every needed reprint makes it, and it ends up getting spread over multiple sets and possibly even becoming a regular recurring set type, like horizons sets, or returns to ravnica, depending on how many cards need reprinting and how fast the output of UB is moving forward.
I mean if you "need" four copies...
For people playing commander it also sucks that people needing playsets sort of increases the prizes as well. Yes they aren't to blame but also they kinda are
The *One* Ring: * exists *
Every Magic player for some reason: “gimme 30, take it or leave it”
Of all the legendary artifacts in the game, it should’ve been hard locked to 1 per deck.
The trouble is, unless a “reprint” set of universe within is like 1000 cards deep, we are not going to cover the amount of reprints needed, we are probably a few years away from that, and we have got so much more sub stuff coming. Unless they only reprint the really expensive ones, which is an option I would be happy with, but wouldn’t that involve wotc acknowledging the secondary market, which they refuse to do.
Printer goes brrrrrrrrrrrh
Have burden counters be on the player rather then the card itself, like experience counters. Way more flavorful, showing the burden and temptation of putting the ring on and off over and over. That burden doesn’t go away when you take the ring off.
the reason we don't know the names of universes within cars is because we'd already logged them as rick or eleven or whoever. it doesn't help that they often have evocative mechanics that don't translate in universe well (e.g. chun li's multikicker)
Universes Within Masters was the solution I was thinking of (transhuman instead astartes, Xeno instead of tyranid, gothmog and ghazkul can team up, etc)
Universes beyond was a fantastic idea with what feels like little thought put into it.
"British summer heat", love that phrase as an Australian lmao
a couple days ago I was deciding between Vorinclex or The One Ring. (I had $80 in card kingdom store credit to play with)
Every single copy of The One Ring was sold out so that made my choice for me and i got a $65 Vorinclex Monstrous Raider (Showcase)
I built a poison counter/proliferate phyrexian deck and I can not wait to get my Vorinclex
I'm a lucky sod and packed the One Ring from the bonus packs for playing prerelease! 🍻
That's why I'm playing Pioneer, it avoids playing with outside universe
My worry with Universes Within versions of stuff like Doctor Who, Warhammer and all that is about the way outside IP has been integrated into game mechanics. I'm already not particularly stoked about the fact that the Universes Within versions of The Walking Dead cards still make Walker tokens, and I feel like we'll get the same with creature types like Time Lord or Astartes (if and when we get Warhammer Universes Within). On the one hand, just in terms of flavor; unless Teferi takes up medicine, an in-universe creature that's a Time Lord and a Doctor would probably feel very shoehorned in; and on the other hand, in terms of licensing; did they have the foresight when making the contracts to give themselves the right to keep using the parts of the other IP that's going into the core game rules proper?