Fast, Amateur Driver vs Fast Car
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2015
- Had a great first event with Speed Dynamics at Thunderhill West in the Low Advanced group. This is the first run session. The Miata was tail happy at the time (later realized due to blown shocks), so I wasn't confident around traffic in corners. Both the Mustang GT and Miata are great track cars. The Mustang driver was in the wrong run group and needed more seat time. Seemed like they were blocking, which was frustrating at the time. Traffic thinned out after the second session. The heat probably helped out. Cars were over heating but the Miata didn't seem phased. Did my fastest lap during the last lap of the last session at 1:34.9 - • 1990 Miata @ Thunderhi... - a 0.5 sec faster than my previous pb.
Specs:
Video recorded using Harry's LapTimer on iPhone4s
Music credit - DJ Shadow
1990 Miata 1.6L
110 whp & 101 ft-lb
Motor oil - AMSOIL Signature Series 5w30
Jackson Racing header & Borla exhaust
Custom Intake and dyno tuned AFM
Type I Torsen LSD
FatCat Suspension 550f/350r - shocks were blown
Sway bars: Flyin Miata front on stiff / Stock rear
GarageStar Delrin Door Bushings
BFG Rival 225/45r15
6UL 15"x9"
Carbotech XP8 brake pads 
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This video isn’t about embarrassing anyone or degrading the Mustang, which is an amazing track car - ruclips.net/video/b8q1UcgcY5Q/видео.html. It just shows that seat time is more important than model year and max hp. It’s also a plea that if a low hp car is catching a high hp car in the corners, for the love of sacred holey socks, please lift and let the little hp car pass. Then follow and learn to be faster.
I just got this 4 year old video recommended and there's a pinned commit from 18 minutes ago
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I think it was wonderful to see the capabilities of both MX-5 and Mustang
MX-5 being quick on corners and Mustang being quick on straights.
@@Staytunedmotorsports Fuck you
Aryu Singhal
You drove the mustang?
He turned off his AC thats why he was faster.
Bravo Valve “He took out his AC that’s why he was faster.” Fixed that for you. Also regretting I took it out now lol.
@@Staytunedmotorsports is it hot inside?
Boi Boi I should measure the temp sometime, but in the afternoon with a hardtop on, the windows down, and fan on, it’s like trying to cool down with a hair dryer.
@@Staytunedmotorsports wouldn't turning the fan on only take the engine heat and blow it on you?
Cakes Maker The “cool” setting channel’s in ambient air, but once the duct work gets heated by the sun, it’s much hotter, plus like you said, there’s probably some engine heat leaking in. I tend to roll the windows up on the highways to reduce noise and being in a convection oven still seems better than not having the fan on.
It's amazing what a Miata can do when you turn off the Air Conditioning
this is so true my hyundai does good when you turn off airconditioning while carrying a birthday cake home just cause I'm so excited to eat that cake that I just got to get there quicker
Best Comment 😂😂 I had the MX5 nc2 model. so much fun and lovely to drive.
One more time for the people in the back 👏🏾
🤣🤣🤣
Lmaoooo
While the mustang was braking at the corners, the Miata was still on the gas.
Yup, I notice that with high HP cars in the canyons. I'm always up their ass.
Sad Beemer Boi usually more weight
that mustang driver needs to learn how to manage his power and just coast around corners
Corner speed baby!
Thats how slow unmodded miatas r
imagine buying a new mustang gt and a dude in his 100hp 90s miata passes u
Imagine caring about it instead of having fun or getting better on the track🙃🤷🏾♂️
@@kanob6440 wow you must be so kool
@@kanob6440 so woke bro, I pray I will be half the woke, toxically-positive chad you are lmao
@@kanob6440 how adorable. Please woke Jesus get off RUclips and go solve all the world's problems
Honestly I see nothing wrong with Kano B's comment. Wtf is y'all problem?
The tire stickers on the mustang say it all.
That’s why I wanted to keep up, so I could try to read the stickers 😄
It's more to fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
It’s actually not.
It also takes more skill.
Ved Singh it takes more skill to get good lap times with a slower car.
Ved Singh I’m a biker mate.....cars are for school runs and shopping!
Ved Singh 👌🏻👍🏻
Thought this was going to be a real battle, just a miata passing amateur traffic.
ouch lol 1:40 in miata aint bad tho right. im trying to get 1:27 which is considered fast.
This was supposed to be an advanced run group. Funny how people think hp makes them a fast driver.
My fastest lap was 1:34. Hoping to break into 1:30s with new suspension.
@@Staytunedmotorsports Good luck!
You must have a mustang lol.
Stay Tuned Motorsports advanced run group? A mustang with stock suspension? Lmao he even threw tire lettering on the stock wheels that mustang ain’t nothing special
I’ve given passes to cars with half my horsepower and been given the pass from cars with more than 3x my power. Seat time is king!
Great job getting that pass - I'll bet he wasn't happy! Cool to see our suspension in action!
+Suspension Truth Thanks! Super happy with the FatCats. Levels above the stock springs and off-the-shelf Bilsteins.
1.2g turn tires slightly squealing XD not everyday car
Your picture made me blow at my screen like a dumbass
Is that good or bad?
umm 1g in a stock car with slicks isnt all that much lol
rear sway bars OP
I would sure hope you're not taking a stock street car to the track. At least upgrade brakes+tires.
Some dumdum in my discord server said that a Miata is useless without an engine swap. Then I promoted him to a dumdumdum.
L00PdeL00P Yeah, still super fun with stock motor but I imagine even more fun with engine swap. I’ve been seriously considering the Rocketeer swap with Jaguar AJ30 3.0l V6. Good NA power without needing to swap trans and diff. www.rocketeerltd.com
Stay Tuned Motorsports
Certainly, if it can do damage now, imagine how it’d be with the low-end torque of a v6!
@@Staytunedmotorsports ohno not jaguar
xXHnCnXx i was hesitant at first but apparently it was developed by porsche and further developed by Ford, Jaguar and Mazda. Rumor has it, Mazda actually considered using it in the Miata at some point. Lawyers probably said “umm, no”.
@@Staytunedmotorsports ye just swap any other v6 but not jaguar or your engine might explode lol
Everything I love about MX5's in one video
oh hey, past self. You seemed to have landed on this video again to watch. I guess there aren't enough MX5 videos in the world to watch
Lol that is me every day.
Maybe its time for us to go outside.
i just luvvvv the sound of this car
Nice. I miss my old NB, the camera angle is not the best though.
there wasnt enough crowds around the track to motivate the mustang to go faster
omg this comment is so *f u n n y*
Yeah the crowd killing jokes are getting old and besides what is someone as great as you drivin nowadays?
@@nolanpatrickmvp4005 the jokes will start getting old as soon as they're not true. So definitely not getting old
Bruhhhh hilarious hahahahaha
In fact additional crowds probably would have motivated the Mustang to go off track if you know what I mean 😂
He really didn't make it easy for you did he. I recently had a similar problem with an AMG C63 AMG at a track day in my skyline. He had 475HP so no way I could do him on the straight.
The line of the mustang, lol
16 mustang owners downvoted this.
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@@kiko8818 hell yeah brother *puts on fedora*
r/isthatajojoreference
@@bigsmoke2038 yes it was... It was me, *DIO!*
The Mustang owner clearly has absolutely no idea what he's doing.
Well he managed not to crash, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@Bojacktheman. lol seeing as how he's a Mustang owner, fair enough.
nothing but positivity in here ill move on but leave a like
He’s blocking
@@ShaunHensley He should try not doing that the entire time, then.
He was feeling the heat prior to the pass. Love it!
Could have passed him sooner if he wasn't making sandwiches between gear changes.
LOL!
Takin care of that clutch passing a mustang aint worth the wear to him
Yeeee you don't wanna thrash those Mazda transmissions, he was taking it nice and smooth making sure he got every gear
Turn off radio and aircon , +500 horsepower
That Z is killing it! I’d love to see a view from inside it! Nice driving, man!
new gen GT was chasing my miata in the canyons and he understeered into a curb lol
Big oof lol
Why you lying. So people that dont know u and never will think your cool???
KK 070 shut up
@@MrMoney-gr3lb lol
You mean oversteer right?
Very cool vid, very well done.
Very good lines trough the corners.
And the Mazda, oh, I wish I had one.
Love it. We can all gas it in a straight line. Its the twisty bits that sort the men from the boys. Well done.
"It's not about the horse, it's about the Rider" 😏
As is usual with "It's not X, it's Y" statements...it's both.
@@siler7 yes sir 👌😏
I’ll say that to the girl that calls me small
What if the best jockey was riding a legless horse and a crappy jockey was on a professional race horse
Jk
@@tmbthe1425 🤔.....bad luck?
The same feeling when you're overtake someone on nurburgring during touristenfarhten
A great example of how seat time and devotion can allow a car with half the HP to win at the track. Great video!
Like a quarter the hp lol
Good driving, and big ups for putting DJ Shadow at the end :)
Very nice, I have ridden T-Hill on a EX250, and I still have a 1992 1.6L Miata. Your video was just like being behind the wheel.
I really like how you showed us the G's and its direction.
Good choice Entroducing - DJ Shadow intro.
This was so satisfying to watch!👍
Massive grip :o impressive!
Your Miata sounds great! Nice music choice too.
Driver skill is a part of it, but its also the car. The miata was made for the corners with its lightweight and handling. As you can see in the video the miata gets pretty close cuz there is a lot of corners. The mustang wasnt made for corners. When it gets to the straight, the mustang pulls away until the corner again. Thats just how the cars are set up
The mustang was channelling his inner soccer mom with those lines
Yeah baby!!! That was so thrilling to watch! I was yelling at the screen during the pass!
This is why the GT350 is so magnificent. It has the cornering of the Miata and the straight line speed of a GT with the roar of a V8. And I'm glad the Miata isn't slept on too much, it's such a fun little car.
Great driving. More of a light car vs a heavy car on a twisty track. My Lotus did the same thing to corvettes through the twisties, but then I went to Road America with lots of long straightaways and they ate my lunch.
Bit like the minis against the Ford Thunderbirds back in the old touring car days.
Go get those boys! Nice driving man.
sounds beautiful
Cool driving,
Cool MIATA!!!!
And this Miata is
not so hard modified ,
That's cool too.
Nice setup for the pass and well executed! He obviously didn’t want to let you by, and you were carrying way more speed through the corners - heard you let off a few times to avoid running into the back of him 😆
Also props to my brother from another mother in that Z! Nice driving to you both. Cheers
Kinda crazy, I thought this was a video game for the first 7 seconds. Solid driving
Amazing driving skills, the Mustang definitely pulls but I think he's being more cautious around.
It’s all about power to weight and handling along with experience
It was nice to hear Endtroducing! I couldn’t quite believe my ears when I clicked on this video.
I’ll never be able to monetize this video but it’s worth it.
Didnt even seem like you were pushing the car either!
I was about to say, you can go harder
That's what she said
This is a rather tight track without much straight away and some nearly hairpin turns. Any faster in those turns might have caused any of them to spin out.
it's called driving at your skill level
He was pulling over a g, idk if I would call that not pushing the car
Minding that last corner you might wanna not let yourself swing out so much. Without the power the car behind you had, they easily can come right back up on your tail. That said, you do have good awareness of stat advantages, and that outside overtake with the z car was very well done!
Tai's Tavern Thanks. I think the same. So a later apex in the last corner?
i need more of this type of videos
Miata driver really hits his apex marks, much better driver
AE86 vs “no way takumi that’s an R32!!” *Vibes*
This track was perfect for lowered lightweight small car. The battle would be different on a circuit more focussed on speed than corners.
Yeah that half of thunderhill is pretty tight. Be harder for the miata to pass on the older half.
proof that chassis matters more than pure power output
Man that looks like a fun track. Wish there were better ones near me.
Love the driving man! Mind if I ask if you drive on the street often with your XP8 pads? I'm looking into getting these pads for my own miata. I'm a little afraid of any potential noise while driving on the street.
Thanks for watching. Normally on the street I run the 1512's (or Bobcat I think they're also called). But I've been lazy and run the xp8's for a month or 2 of daily driving. For me the xp8s only downside on the street is dust and cost. I don't remember a noise difference. I have run 1512's for autocross and they were fine without any fading.
very good line choice
Good lines - nice overtake! I have a mustang gt but I'm always intrigued that the answer seems to be Miata
Michael Woodsdale Unless the question is HP, then Mustang is a pretty good answer ;)
Any decent driver in the Mustang would have held that Miata off all day. The new Mustangs are perfectly happy on a track with a good set of tires and brake pads on them
I have an 03 gt and I would've destroyed that newer one on the track. Good laps tho
stock vs stock, those are garbage relative to the '11s+, unless it's a Terminator of course.
Mustang is the answer to crowds
THIS TRACK IS PERFECT FOR THE MIATA!!! I AM 100% CONFIDENT YOU WOULD OF OVERTOOK MANY MORE VEHICLES! THE NSX YOU WERE APPROACHING WOULD OF BEEN EXCELLENT!
A bit late to responding to this comment... at the end of my fastest lap video (ruclips.net/video/C9k3ml0sh6c/видео.html), I show I catch up to the NSX but it has a sudden wheel failure and I dodge some shrapnel. Totally ruined the NSX drivers day. It was sad.
A Miata plus some DJ Shadow in the intro? I think we'd get along just fine!
I had this happen at Grattan Raceway in Mi, they rarely do open Track days as they often are always booked with track rentals. I was in an 86 NA FC RX7 and the other car was a 2nd gen eclipse. He had 100hp more than me so I'd lose him on the straight, but would catch up by the end of turn 1 because I was lighter, had better brakes and could carry more speed, but I could never get past, because he'd hog the track and Grattan doesn't have that many good places to pass. It was plenty of fun for sure, but I was pissed.
How are liking the spring set up on your car. I'm running 700/425 and have wanted to switch back to 550/375(it's what I have)because I drive to from the events and am looking for some commute comfort since I'm no longer competing on a National level.
Nice run man
I dont know why,i just like seeing cars hit the apex with a camera position like this.
It's not just about cars and drivers and power and skill... It's about right setup... Right tyers, right tyer preshure.... and so much more...
Sanel Šabanovič that’s true at the professional level but this is just an amateur track day. At this level it’s more about seat time at that track.
@@Staytunedmotorsports Last year when i entered my first oficial amater race i hawe opertunit to show my skill and knolage of racing. I'm bean in to cars for the big part of my life but newer before owned a car build up for race track. My car is Alfa Romeo GTV 2000 year model with buso 916 engine / 3.0 V6 naturaly aspired. So the cars is stript of al unnecesary weight, roll cage in it profesional racing seats and 6 point safty harnest. I was compeating on a track in Croatia called Grobnik against friend of my who spent in last 3 months more than 12.000 € on his track race car. His poison is Nissan Sunny Pulsar with AWD drive and 2.0 L turbo engine he changed the old stock turbo with more modern turbo and put biger intercoler in his car alsow for bether exseleration he bought specielaized R15 rims with sport tyers which cist him about 2.500€. So to shorten my story he was driving a car set up to 335 hp, the car was on dyno two days before race. When we drove first time chalenge i realized i hawe good chance to beat him. In secont time chalenge i hawe decresed my tyers preshur in fron to 1.4 bar at back of the car 1.3 bar. So the grip was fucking crazzy... I pushed trug 8 shicanes as fast i cude. I gain about 4 seconds comparing to my first time atack. In combine time i hawe beat him for 1 second with care which produces around 280 hp maybe. So 50 hp less hevier car, hevier driver i weight about: 245 lbs 6.3... My daile job is working in the coal mine 500m under ground... My friend has to daily drivers one of those car is Nissan GTR 2008 year model with: 650 hp, secong is SUV Mercedes ML and ttack day car Nissan Pulsar. I beat him becose i did what i did and i belive in my: 24 years of driving and changing diferent typ of cars i gaint much more exsperiance then him.
Well i know two guys who are in car raci g for more than 20 years and i know that if we take same cars and go on same track they will school me for 4-5 seconds on lap. It's interesting and exspencive sport which brings together nice people.
My brain:This isn't a game,This isn't a game
Kapo I was thinking the same thing going back to track days after racing in Assetto Corsa in VR for a year.
that miata sound beautiful
Miatas MX5 are so great in the track!
Dude this is sickk
The miata sounds amazing
Dude thats sick
Bro that miata is a turning monster... even catching the apex that mustang doesn't have much to feel bad about this is all curves apart from that one straight away. Even an experienced driver in that gt might struggle versus a modified miata on those bends if they didn't want to start giving up traction.
Damn Miata doing 90 degree turns at 40 miles per hour.... SMH. Fun!
I tried that in my regular ass sedan with shitty tires and alignment and it didn't go well lol
If you look at stage rally the seat time of the driver is definitely the biggest factor. I have a friend who beats 300hp AWD STI's and he's in a 100hp rwd Corolla
1.2g wow
‘A transatlantic ticket to the apex for one, please’
Love it.
Nothing is more rewarding than driving the wheels of Miata and catching up much more powerful cars on twisty track . Very smooth and good driving , what mods do you have on your car ?
That is what I like about roadcourses as opposed to drag racing. The driver is a bigger part of the equation in road courses. In drag racing the car is more of the equation.
Damn, that sounds crazy good. How did you end up recording the sound?
Your audio is really good! Do you use an external mic?
Too Good Mate Cool, thanks for noticing. Yeah, it's a Pyle-Pro PLM3 mic. It's pretty cheap on Amazon. It has the highest SPL I could find for that price. I also made a heavily padded dead cat to prevent wind noise and clipping under high decibels.
What many people fail to understand is that you don't have to stay on the throttle or brakes *all* the time.
I honestly am surprised the Mustang didn't spun out when turning, at least they understand that they don't need full throttle after braking.
Good shit bro!
Is this the Gran Turismo we all have been waiting for?
Mustang driver probably thought this was the way to the grocery store.
That 4 banger sounds too good for the car that it’s in.
Were the 15x9 6UL's plug & play or did you have to get your fenders rolled?
I rolled my fenders based on info from Emilio. In hindsight, I wish I would have test fitted first. I didn't do a flat roll, they probably sit at 30 degrees from the fender. Only get rubbing issues with the wheel well liner at full lock.
Dj Shadow! Yes sir!! 👌
Did you use a track from the Splinter Cell: Conviction soundtrack? Great choice, love that song. Nice driving, too!
CaptainMorganThe3rd I’m not sure, haven’t played that game, but could be. It’s DJ Shadow - Building Steam
I find it intriguing that there are always people in the wrong run groups (judging by skill/line/braking/acceleration points) A lot of those "better cars" were running beginner times 1:40+?? Your NA with those mods at those times in low advanced (depending on org) is cool. The faster cars running high 1:3x - 1:4x should perhaps be shifted around run groups. Though less problematic if they actually did a point by and lifted.
Also how blown were your shocks? Covered in oil + old dust attracted oil? I have a slow leak in my rear right KW V3 but I want to grind it to the ground (safely) as I can before I change up to maximize my $ to usage ratio.
The engine sounds like my stock Peugot 106 in Need For Speed Underground 2
Awesome
That good old sound
DJ shadow! Yes!!👌🏻
nice looking track
The new Gran Turismo looks awesome.
Mustang was braking too early/soft, not going to the edge of his grip(?), and steering wide of a lot of apexes.
This video gets miata owners HARD