Honestly I just think the prices of VR headsets is waaay too expensive to reach the mainstream. On PC I would treat it more like a enthusiast accessory. Like how some people are willing to pour thousands of dollars into a simulation rig.... I bought the HP Reverb G2 for 699EUR and It was near impossible to justify the purchase. But now I own a "premium" VR headset, I don't ever want to be without one. It has become such an integral part of my gaming interest. Unfortunately when a price tag 499-699EUR can even made an enthusiast like me think three or four times before buying one, it's no wonder the PSVR2 hasn't sold properly to the masses. What Sony needs to do is to sell headsets at a loss (or +/- 0) and make it up in game sales while promoting the hell out of it, and focus on premium games for it.... It's almost as Sony is completely clueless when they can't get sales from brand recognition alone.
on that level the quest 2 and whatever the quest 3 lite will be is the best value. stand alone VR that connect to pc for a good price. but yeah... we're a while off. maybe once.VR is like phones and Samsung and Motorola are in the game getting prices lower
When did sony say they abandoned vr?? Pretty curious to read that statement. As where i see it, sony is fighting back. Added price cuts, pcvr support, bhaptic support and got banger games coming
Well said, the library is amazing and only been out just over a year and half, 217 games to date and 40 in the next 40 months, and most of them are looking to be amazing, and yes pc support. Sony is and has done loads, try digging and your find out they have thrown money at studios to bring there games to this platform. Thanks for doing your best lol. Pa the quest is still good so its not a war. Vr growing slowly but surely.
@@MeowtualRealityGamecat True! I got a quest 3 too, which I also find really good. It has great features and some good games. But when it comes deeper games, good stories and nice graphics, psvr2 wins hands down. Many quest games are just too shallow for me.
@@victorgreygrey I don't see it. As I said pcvr support, bhaptic support, price cut and alot of great games are coming, where the haptics in both controllers and headset adds just a little more than other platforms. But if you are not on the platform, maybe its harder to see.
Had the psvr2 since launch, exclusively for GT7. Been intimidated by PCs my whole life (Mac person), but finally gave in and acquired a gaming pc for sim racing a few months back, with zero chance of acquiring another VR headset. For me this adapter is just about the best thing that could've happened. Don't care about the bluetooth controllers, I only use is wheels and pedals. All of sudden I have access to a bunch of new (to me) racing games and a whole VR library I would not have otherwise. Homerun in my opinion.
@@victorgreygrey TBH I've only tried Asseto Corsa on PC so far. I've acquired a bunch of racing games last steam sale (Automobilista 2, ACC, RFactor, F1) But AC is so amazing I haven't even wanted to try anything else just yet. I think GT7 still looks a bit better, tho it might be a combination of my average PC and me not fully understanding all the settings just yet. But the force feedback on GT7 is not in the same league as AC. It's a whole different experience. So much more going on at all times, so much more information, it's not even funny. I basically had to re-tighten the screws on my rig because the vibrations were making it come loose. And I'm only going thru the career (again) right now because I'm having such a blast. Once I get to the online servers on AC it's another universe. Still love GT7, but PC seems to be where it's at for sim racing.
Should be a pretty big upgrade from a Valve Index. I personally am sticking with my Quest 3 but I can see people who dont want a meta headset this is a good choice. $350 right now too.
100% It went from a good Headset to a great headset .. awesome PS5 catalogue with all the features, and then great PCVR headset, just with less frills. for a great price
@@victorgreygrey Yeah the headset hardware itself wasn't the issue. It was really Sony's support or lack there of from a software perspective. I would say anyone looking for a PCVR headset who doesn't want to be in Meta's ecosystem this is a no brainer. Especially at the $350 price point. Index owner the time is now to upgrade. Should be a pretty big jump from the index at 1/3 the price
Quest 3 is the best when it comes to casual wireless VR but crappy compressed to pcvr is a no go so PSVR2 is a better deal if you don't mind the cord and want vr running on your high end pc to do some high vr stuff
@@toututu2993 I have two questions for you if you don't mind answering. I'm kinda new to VR, why is it compressed on Quest 3 and not PSVR2? Do you have a secret to finding the sweet spot? Thank you for the info either way!
@@mikemiles3077 Compressed is pretty much streaming which have inferior image quality and latency, while uncompressed is more direct connection to the pc graphic processor just like plugging your monitor to pc. VR is awesome with some great games that I keep coming back to. Just don't look VRChat as the benchmark which is the worse vr game out of all the library and I find some people who buy VR headset mainly for VRChat wasted they money a lot and I'm not surprised they ended up thinking vr is nothing but gimmick because they haven't even tried real games that are decent
yea me too. I think it's the small sweet spot. it's very hard to find even after a year. I can wear the quest 3 all day with no eye strain. great lenses. I'm glad I have both though.
I don't know this really saves PSVR2. It just moves old stock that was going to sit and gather dust and probably does so at a loss or at break even price. The idea with this kind of hardware is to get people into an ecosystem where you continuously take a cut of game sales though. Sony gets nothing when you buy VR games on Steam.
If they only play steam games. But I would hazard a guess that a lot of people who buy in already own a PS5. And Sony's library is much more highly curated than steam so people might end up preferring that ecosystem because it has less shovelware. I think it's good news all round
@@victorgreygrey given the timing of the PC adapter and the price drop I just assumed most of the sales were from PC folks. I suppose there are people that jumped on the price drop alone though and paired this up with a console.
If you fly me to Chicago i can buy you a vive xr elite for $400 from microcenter and ship it to you for less than the retail price after this discount. I picked one up at a MicroCenter in Colorado last month for $512 and returned it because it had a ton of dead pixels, and it was the only one they had in stock… since then they dropped the price another $100
The diopter was nice. The weight of it was nice. I purchased the face tracker but returned it before trying it. The inside out trackers were janky because for whatever reason you can only use them when on 5ghz wifi… even though the trackers are Bluetooth (2.4ghz) you can’t use 6ghz wifi at same time. So strange. I also got pissed off because I realized Virtual Desktop didn’t support face tracking for it so that’s why I didn’t try it. Honestly, I was enthusiastic about it for travel, but there were too many quirks to keep it, especially with dozens of (mostly) green and red dead pixels
Wow. Not the first time I’ve heard about dead pixels on the display. That is mind blowing. It’s literally the lowest bar to clear. The sad thing is, I’d really like HTC to be more successful in the market. But i guess they don’t have 20 billion dollars to spare on R&D to make really good headsets that sell at a loss. Meta is both the best and worst thing to happen to competition
PSVR 2 is so amazing. I was playing quest pro and finally gonna sell it in order to buy PSVR 2. I really loved PSVR 2 on PS5 beforre, but had to sell it ;(
@@victorgreygrey OMG The adapter is coming tomorrow. I will sell QUest pro ASAP. I love Quest Pro, but PSVR2 is just beyond superior. The Only 4k budget OLED available. The other option is Big Screen beyond which is 999$ for the headset only and you need an IPHONE to set it up that i dont wanna buy
@@victorgreygrey PSVR 2 is superior . Lack of tracking on PSVR 2 . PSVR 2 tracking is like WMR tracking. Not perfect and not bad. Not that accurate. But it is ok. Quest pro is supperior tracking. Not rreally light demanding as PSVR 2 .PSVR2 visual quality is always stunning . Quest Pro is also visually stunning. But PSVR2 is better due to OLED. OLED is always better that any LCD faccts
if you're in the us then amazon, PlayStation Direct as well as Best Buy, Target, Walmart, and GameStop. until Aug 8. but be quick, apparently they sold more headsets on day 1 of the sale than the entire year to date sadly for us Aussies it's not on sale at all.
I was hyped for this a couple of days ago getting into VR through my PC, checked pricing here in Australia, yeah nah still to expensive as a first jump into this segment. really want to experience VR but just to expensive if I decide on the wrong headset, however that said, PSVR is appealing as its not Meta-facebook
yeah. Australia is always treated like an unwanted step child. maybe look at a cheap second hand device. honestly a second hand Quest 2 is a great first headset
Sorry Sony but bluetooth required for controllers is a deal breaker for me. Waiting for quality pcvr headset to come out that doesn't cost near $800 and almost as good as Quest 3
yeah. weird move with the Bluetooth. feels like an oversight, but I don't really know how to develop hardware I guess... if only Quest 3 had a higher quality connection. I reckon where close to a great PCVR headset at a good price
Steam lol. I am sure taking of more than 200 USD of the price tag had nothing to do with it. PC gamers don't care about PSVR2 and console users don't care about steam either.
You're probably right that a lot of people probs don't care about the pc adapter. but the same week it went on sale Half life Alyx shot back up the steam sales chat indicating that a bunch of new players entered the market... no way to know for sure until the steam survey in a few months though
weird. I haven't done anything to turn it off. and we're definitely getting downvotes on this video. I just checked my alt and downvoted this video in your name. not sure why you can't.
Hey man i like ur podcast but yall should get more educated not the one who reads the news but the ones who answers he sounds like he doesn’t care and his answers show it cuz he sometimes says things that aren’t true… in this video he said oh so I guess PSVR2 has something different every week huh … uh NO!!! And everyone knows it that’s why the news ur partner is reading is huge!!! That’s why u don’t ask a random buddy of urs to work on ur podcast get a fellow enthusiast that can match ur effort and care for the podcast! Good luck guys!
Appreciate you watching! Beardy is very deliberately cynical. We decided that we need a voice on the show to counter balance industry enthusiasm. He definitely turns it up a bit for the show. People spend sooo much money on their headset of choice, so we thought it important to always be critical no matter the news. And we're Australian so we're extra sarcastic on top lol I think the point he was making was despite all these different headsets trying to build their own ecosystem, it seems like they always end up only boosting the support for PCVR. If you game on PS5 you only have a PSVR 2, but if you game on PC, you literally have every headset ever and the list gets bigger every week. I'm a big fan of this move from Sony. but it should have been this way from the get-go imo thanks again
Honestly I just think the prices of VR headsets is waaay too expensive to reach the mainstream. On PC I would treat it more like a enthusiast accessory. Like how some people are willing to pour thousands of dollars into a simulation rig.... I bought the HP Reverb G2 for 699EUR and It was near impossible to justify the purchase. But now I own a "premium" VR headset, I don't ever want to be without one. It has become such an integral part of my gaming interest. Unfortunately when a price tag 499-699EUR can even made an enthusiast like me think three or four times before buying one, it's no wonder the PSVR2 hasn't sold properly to the masses. What Sony needs to do is to sell headsets at a loss (or +/- 0) and make it up in game sales while promoting the hell out of it, and focus on premium games for it.... It's almost as Sony is completely clueless when they can't get sales from brand recognition alone.
on that level the quest 2 and whatever the quest 3 lite will be is the best value. stand alone VR that connect to pc for a good price. but yeah... we're a while off. maybe once.VR is like phones and Samsung and Motorola are in the game getting prices lower
After I tried the adaptive triggers on pavr2 and the OLED. I have not touched my quest 3 in months. While I am on my pavr2 everyday.
Yeah I’d love to experience it. Do you think you’d miss those features when hooking up to PC? It’s a shame they don’t work with the adapter.
@@victorgreygrey I am sure in time they will transfer over to pc. Or people will figure it out. It’s pc, possibilities are endless.
That’s what Beardy keeps saying. Now that it’s on PC, modders will tear it apart and put it back together
When did sony say they abandoned vr?? Pretty curious to read that statement.
As where i see it, sony is fighting back. Added price cuts, pcvr support, bhaptic support and got banger games coming
Well said, the library is amazing and only been out just over a year and half, 217 games to date and 40 in the next 40 months, and most of them are looking to be amazing, and yes pc support. Sony is and has done loads, try digging and your find out they have thrown money at studios to bring there games to this platform. Thanks for doing your best lol. Pa the quest is still good so its not a war. Vr growing slowly but surely.
@@MeowtualRealityGamecat True! I got a quest 3 too, which I also find really good. It has great features and some good games. But when it comes deeper games, good stories and nice graphics, psvr2 wins hands down.
Many quest games are just too shallow for me.
I think we hate em cause we ain't em. PSVR 2 is an awesome headset. It definitely seems like Sony has less enthusiasm than it used to though
@@victorgreygrey I don't see it. As I said pcvr support, bhaptic support, price cut and alot of great games are coming, where the haptics in both controllers and headset adds just a little more than other platforms.
But if you are not on the platform, maybe its harder to see.
3rd party games are nothing special but what about psvr5 exclusive games
PSVR 2 on PC… no tentacles required
Or how the $200 discount saved psvr 2?
What does that mean?
Had the psvr2 since launch, exclusively for GT7. Been intimidated by PCs my whole life (Mac person), but finally gave in and acquired a gaming pc for sim racing a few months back, with zero chance of acquiring another VR headset. For me this adapter is just about the best thing that could've happened. Don't care about the bluetooth controllers, I only use is wheels and pedals. All of sudden I have access to a bunch of new (to me) racing games and a whole VR library I would not have otherwise. Homerun in my opinion.
That’s great! What a perfect thing to come along! How does PCVR racing compare with GT7?
@@victorgreygrey TBH I've only tried Asseto Corsa on PC so far. I've acquired a bunch of racing games last steam sale (Automobilista 2, ACC, RFactor, F1) But AC is so amazing I haven't even wanted to try anything else just yet. I think GT7 still looks a bit better, tho it might be a combination of my average PC and me not fully understanding all the settings just yet. But the force feedback on GT7 is not in the same league as AC. It's a whole different experience. So much more going on at all times, so much more information, it's not even funny. I basically had to re-tighten the screws on my rig because the vibrations were making it come loose. And I'm only going thru the career (again) right now because I'm having such a blast. Once I get to the online servers on AC it's another universe. Still love GT7, but PC seems to be where it's at for sim racing.
Should be a pretty big upgrade from a Valve Index. I personally am sticking with my Quest 3 but I can see people who dont want a meta headset this is a good choice. $350 right now too.
100% It went from a good Headset to a great headset .. awesome PS5 catalogue with all the features, and then great PCVR headset, just with less frills. for a great price
@@victorgreygrey Yeah the headset hardware itself wasn't the issue. It was really Sony's support or lack there of from a software perspective. I would say anyone looking for a PCVR headset who doesn't want to be in Meta's ecosystem this is a no brainer. Especially at the $350 price point. Index owner the time is now to upgrade. Should be a pretty big jump from the index at 1/3 the price
Quest 3 is the best when it comes to casual wireless VR but crappy compressed to pcvr is a no go so PSVR2 is a better deal if you don't mind the cord and want vr running on your high end pc to do some high vr stuff
@@toututu2993 I have two questions for you if you don't mind answering. I'm kinda new to VR, why is it compressed on Quest 3 and not PSVR2? Do you have a secret to finding the sweet spot?
Thank you for the info either way!
@@mikemiles3077 Compressed is pretty much streaming which have inferior image quality and latency, while uncompressed is more direct connection to the pc graphic processor just like plugging your monitor to pc.
VR is awesome with some great games that I keep coming back to. Just don't look VRChat as the benchmark which is the worse vr game out of all the library and I find some people who buy VR headset mainly for VRChat wasted they money a lot and I'm not surprised they ended up thinking vr is nothing but gimmick because they haven't even tried real games that are decent
I do like the Quest 3 better, for some reason my eyes get tired fast with the PSVR2.
Love your show gents!
that's interesting to hear. I'd still love to have one to try out
yea me too. I think it's the small sweet spot. it's very hard to find even after a year. I can wear the quest 3 all day with no eye strain. great lenses. I'm glad I have both though.
Weird. I had an absolute opposite.
@@Bld-xw4oh That is weird. I'm hoping my eyes get used to the PSVR2 so I can really get in to the RE4 remake.
@@mikemiles3077 my eyes get tired of LCD quicly, I never had that with any oled
I’ve had the psvr2 since launch and I’m pretty happy with it. I’d give you a demo of it, if you’re keen to try it.
hmmm... depends... do I have to return it? 😂
@@victorgreygrey By demo I meant try it out, then leave with none of my possessions.
Love the laughs on this podcast!
I don't know this really saves PSVR2. It just moves old stock that was going to sit and gather dust and probably does so at a loss or at break even price. The idea with this kind of hardware is to get people into an ecosystem where you continuously take a cut of game sales though. Sony gets nothing when you buy VR games on Steam.
If they only play steam games. But I would hazard a guess that a lot of people who buy in already own a PS5. And Sony's library is much more highly curated than steam so people might end up preferring that ecosystem because it has less shovelware. I think it's good news all round
@@victorgreygrey given the timing of the PC adapter and the price drop I just assumed most of the sales were from PC folks. I suppose there are people that jumped on the price drop alone though and paired this up with a console.
If you fly me to Chicago i can buy you a vive xr elite for $400 from microcenter and ship it to you for less than the retail price after this discount. I picked one up at a MicroCenter in Colorado last month for $512 and returned it because it had a ton of dead pixels, and it was the only one they had in stock… since then they dropped the price another $100
The diopter was nice. The weight of it was nice. I purchased the face tracker but returned it before trying it. The inside out trackers were janky because for whatever reason you can only use them when on 5ghz wifi… even though the trackers are Bluetooth (2.4ghz) you can’t use 6ghz wifi at same time. So strange. I also got pissed off because I realized Virtual Desktop didn’t support face tracking for it so that’s why I didn’t try it. Honestly, I was enthusiastic about it for travel, but there were too many quirks to keep it, especially with dozens of (mostly) green and red dead pixels
Oh and also when using the trackers you can’t charge it at the same time. That was absurd.
Wow. Not the first time I’ve heard about dead pixels on the display. That is mind blowing. It’s literally the lowest bar to clear. The sad thing is, I’d really like HTC to be more successful in the market. But i guess they don’t have 20 billion dollars to spare on R&D to make really good headsets that sell at a loss. Meta is both the best and worst thing to happen to competition
I've got a PSVR2 that I barely use, you blokes want a lend of it to give it a crack?
PSVR 2 is so amazing. I was playing quest pro and finally gonna sell it in order to buy PSVR 2. I really loved PSVR 2 on PS5 beforre, but had to sell it ;(
That's a shame. everybody has been super into the PSVR 2 and now I feel bad for making fun of it
@@victorgreygrey OMG The adapter is coming tomorrow. I will sell QUest pro ASAP. I love Quest Pro, but PSVR2 is just beyond superior. The Only 4k budget OLED available. The other option is Big Screen beyond which is 999$ for the headset only and you need an IPHONE to set it up that i dont wanna buy
the the iPhone scanning is so extra. let me know how the PSVR compares to quest pro
@@victorgreygrey PSVR 2 is superior . Lack of tracking on PSVR 2 . PSVR 2 tracking is like WMR tracking. Not perfect and not bad. Not that accurate. But it is ok. Quest pro is supperior tracking. Not rreally light demanding as PSVR 2 .PSVR2 visual quality is always stunning . Quest Pro is also visually stunning. But PSVR2 is better due to OLED. OLED is always better that any LCD faccts
If it's not wireless, it's not that interesting.
True... I'm 95% wireless if it's pcvr
Where's the discount? I'm looking everywhere.
if you're in the us then amazon, PlayStation Direct as well as Best Buy, Target, Walmart, and GameStop. until Aug 8. but be quick, apparently they sold more headsets on day 1 of the sale than the entire year to date
sadly for us Aussies it's not on sale at all.
I was hyped for this a couple of days ago getting into VR through my PC, checked pricing here in Australia, yeah nah still to expensive as a first jump into this segment. really want to experience VR but just to expensive if I decide on the wrong headset, however that said, PSVR is appealing as its not Meta-facebook
yeah. Australia is always treated like an unwanted step child. maybe look at a cheap second hand device. honestly a second hand Quest 2 is a great first headset
lol it's not new vr gamers it's just pcvr gamer who is dying for a new headset jumping on the discount. smh
I mean it's only good news for you OG PSVR players it should extend the life of the platform for some time
Can we play red dead redemption 2 on steam vr at psvr2
Sorry Sony but bluetooth required for controllers is a deal breaker for me. Waiting for quality pcvr headset to come out that doesn't cost near $800 and almost as good as Quest 3
yeah. weird move with the Bluetooth. feels like an oversight, but I don't really know how to develop hardware I guess... if only Quest 3 had a higher quality connection. I reckon where close to a great PCVR headset at a good price
Quest 2, then?
i only use my quest 2 on the pc lol
Beardy is the same. I don't think he owns a stand alone game lol
As a Q3 and Q2 owner I would say the Q2 is a fine headset. Well worth the $200 price tag. Well worth the $300 price tag I bought mine for.
Steam lol. I am sure taking of more than 200 USD of the price tag had nothing to do with it. PC gamers don't care about PSVR2 and console users don't care about steam either.
You're probably right that a lot of people probs don't care about the pc adapter. but the same week it went on sale Half life Alyx shot back up the steam sales chat indicating that a bunch of new players entered the market... no way to know for sure until the steam survey in a few months though
disabling down vote makes this channel shady, not going to subscribe !
weird. I haven't done anything to turn it off. and we're definitely getting downvotes on this video. I just checked my alt and downvoted this video in your name. not sure why you can't.
Same.
Hey man i like ur podcast but yall should get more educated not the one who reads the news but the ones who answers he sounds like he doesn’t care and his answers show it cuz he sometimes says things that aren’t true… in this video he said oh so I guess PSVR2 has something different every week huh … uh NO!!! And everyone knows it that’s why the news ur partner is reading is huge!!! That’s why u don’t ask a random buddy of urs to work on ur podcast get a fellow enthusiast that can match ur effort and care for the podcast! Good luck guys!
Appreciate you watching! Beardy is very deliberately cynical. We decided that we need a voice on the show to counter balance industry enthusiasm. He definitely turns it up a bit for the show.
People spend sooo much money on their headset of choice, so we thought it important to always be critical no matter the news. And we're Australian so we're extra sarcastic on top lol
I think the point he was making was despite all these different headsets trying to build their own ecosystem, it seems like they always end up only boosting the support for PCVR.
If you game on PS5 you only have a PSVR 2, but if you game on PC, you literally have every headset ever and the list gets bigger every week.
I'm a big fan of this move from Sony. but it should have been this way from the get-go imo
thanks again