Why Good Dog Training is Ugly, Huskies - Breed of the Week & am I using "Desensitization" wrong?
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0:01 Beckman Unleashed #48
Dave Stewart - Oakland A's
Eric the name dropper
0:43- Joel's smarter than a behavioral neuroscientist and thinks he's Einstein
6:44- Joel: I tried to stay away from aggressive human beings and then proceeds to talk about the time he beat up a homeless man
8:15- swimming with killer whales isn't safe, real dog training is ugly and running into bushes like ugly kindergarteners
13:17- don't stay on rookie level with treats, be ugly you'll be smarter than a fifth grader in the end
15:52 - shaping with pretty baby steps that take forever vs hacking your dog and poking it in the butt
21:30 - Joel using Jordan Peterson to back up his ugly dog training techniques and more percentages
24:07- *Joel: Yeah! I yell at dogs and kids, do it every 3 days! ( Joel hates people without kids in general except the timestamp guy which he assumes doesn't have kids but just happens to have a Minnie mouse plushy)*
30:17- California: it's never gonna rain again...
Also, California: HEY! There went your car! Don't capture that needed water we'll throw you in jail unless we make money off it
33:40 - *The Beckman Coaching Program* AKA : BCP or whatever it's called.
Beckmanventures@gmail.com to change your life to help get Joel outta the poorhouse and become a better trainer
36:50 - BAD words in dog training and Eric asks Joel how to use it on people and how it's used in dog training so you don't have to carry treat bags everywhere
42:53 - Service dogs hate their lives. They've learned to be helpless
45:22 - Bashing The word salad people again
46:29 - Joel's email from a neuroscientist and he doesn't care that he misuses words in his spread of misinformation
53:18 - Joel not reading emails. Great here we go again!
58:08 - *Buttonholing*: what is it and how to do it correctly
1:00:16: Joel BUTTONHOLES Eric and the viewers like Diddydidit to.... nevermind this ain't timestamp safe material
(This is also the start of some very good banter in general on some tough subjects, none of which are related to dog training)
1:17:00- Keep your kids away from the weirdos
1:18:03 - Joel and Eric the givers of unsolicited dog, life and advice in general
1:19:09 - BOTW: Siberian Husky- THE 1 dog Joels GO GET method won't work on. spoiler: if Joel were to describe his younger self but as a dog it would be the same as a husky.
1:21:03 - comments: Joel admits that he's been wrong twice and Eric can read better
1:25:26: What Joel carries in his car to keep safe when he mouths off to road workers.LMAO!
1:28:39- Alright that's it! The last podcast...
24:07 😂
@bdtraining the fan is on high and someone threw a turd up in it (comments). Whoa!
Minnie Mouse plushy 🥰
Love the Minnie Mouse plushy bit 😂😅
lol. I can’t believe you watched the whole thing that’s an hour and a half. You’ll never get back but thanks for the breakdown. It was highly entertaining.!!
I dont have kids but have a pretty good grasp on raising children as i got to watch my parents raise my 4 siblings.
My parents however dont practice what they preach with dogs as they do children, very good at discipline with children, but let dogs rule the roost. When i was younger if i sat on the floor in front of the TV and ate dinner, like i always did BEFORE we had dogs, if the dog came up and took my food off my plate my mom would say "well thats what happens when you sit on the floor, the floor is the dogs domain". So i think its a stretch to say people who raise kids can train dogs, cause i cant have kids due to infertility issues, but i can raise dogs better than my parents who raise 5 kids.
I have siberians and you need to be strong. They are smart and if they dont think you are a competent leader they wont respect you at all. Once you get them working as a team its a thing of beauty
There is a horse trainer that I feel summed it up really well, "From breakdown comes breakthrough."
Nice. Hopeful, too!
Steve Young fan huh?
Trainers your way are still doing it that way. 😮
Joel I respectfully disagree with you regarding your stance on service dogs. I've been working with my own service dogs for nearly as long as you've been training dogs. No, I'm not an expert dog trainer, and I will never claim to be one. However, I've been around enough service dogs to know how different types of service dogs are trained to work WITH their human partners.
1. INTELLIGENT DISOBEDIENCE:
Learned helplessness isn't usually used as a training method. We want our dogs to be able to think and make decisions. For example, my dog needs to be able to let me know if there's a car speeding toward us, and should I miss her cue to stop, she needs to be able to disobey my bad command, and to be more forceful about it if I'm being an oblivious idiot.
2. THE REASON YOU CAN'T PET: When they're on duty, we need them focused on the job, and we use petting, praise and treats as reward for doing their job. All good things have to come from us. Now that's not to say that we don't occasionally give them time to be a dog. Sometimes if I need my dog to help me follow someone I might ask if that person would like to pet my dog. Or if I'm not doing anything and a family with young kids asks to say hi, I might take her harness off and let her get all the belly rubs. As a side note, those stupid signs don't work and people try the drive by petting crap all the time.
3. BOMB PROOF NEUTRALITY: We need our dogs to be as confident and unphased by anything as they possibly can be, so that if shit hits the fan they can still do their job effectively. This means we also need dogs that are happy doing the job. This also means we expose and socialize them to EVERYTHING we possibly can, especially during that 9mo-1yr fear period You're always talking about. We "do this all day" and yes, we even "do this shit at night". Just like with kids, we teach them that there's a time to be silly and have fun, and there's a time to do your job. Hopefully by the time you see them in public, they'll have good focus and a clear understanding of what we need from them. Often, what you might see with a medical alert dog is a dog who's just walking along with mom until it's time to alert and do their thing. In the case of a guide dog, they'll bring their head forward parallel to the ground, with ears slightly forward. A focused guide dog looks a bit like a GPS arrow. A guide dog not actively guiding is usually flat on the floor grabbing a quick rest because they know they're about to walk a mile or so to get back on public transportation.
If you see a service dog that looks a little tired or a little sad, remember, they may be feeling that way because they had to ride three buses and a trolley with a bunch of homeless people in order to get where they are today. They may have been grabbed by someone's unattended kid, or screamed at by some "Karen" for simply existing. They may have been aggressively barked and lunged at by someone's untrained pet in a vest. We know they put up with a lot of bullshit, and those of us who are trying to be good handlers/partners are aware of our dog's mental state, and believe me, we'll try to do what we can to lift their spirits. A happy healthy service dog does better work.
Beautifully said! You should be a guest on the pod to rant about the untrained service dogs in vests thing. THAT needs to stop!!!
@@AprilCunningham It would be pretty cool and I'm in their area a lot, but I don't know if I'm the right person to do that. Yes it's a discussion that NEEDS to be had, but I'm one blind person and it wouldn't be right or fair to try to represent anyone else. Also I'm not a professional dog trainer by any means, nor am I a disability advocate. Ideally, if they were to have this discussion with someone, it should be with a couple of guests. One blind/visually impaired guide dog handler, and one disabled professional service dog trainer. I say this because both kinds of dogs will have different training and working needs.
I began training in 1980, apprenticed for a year. Went to dozens of seminars and crafted my own style. I enjoyed Bob Self who told me trainers needed “a button” to push. We could not depend on bait. I taught house manners as well as the basics dog owners needed for responsible dog ownership. Example: Off lead recall is much like Beckman’s. The Go Get Method was used but on the 3rd go get the dog is corrected repeatedly verbally commanding “come,” with the lead attached and giving a strong collar correction. Invariably the 3rd time is a charm. The dominant dogs are real. The forced Down exercises are gold for them. Today I could not train without being heavily criticized for correcting the dogs.
I’ve been an RN for 26 years and I’ve seen learned helplessness in patients and their family members
Talked about binge watching in one of your podcasts, well here I am a new dog owner and I came across your channel, and I have literally binge-watched up to 3 podcasts a day at work, everyday. I tell my boss "I am gonna do this ALL DAY". Jokes aside the content is very good and what got me hooked the most is how original and genuine everything feels, no BS just straight up realness.
Anyway, I would like to hear from Joel and wold be very grateful if he has any advise that he is kind enough to share for my dog (a small shepherd mix 1 and a half years old), she is great and has no visible traumas or issues with her behaviour, however what I am struggling to get rid of, is we go on walks and on parks I like to let her free so she can run around and get some of that energy out, but if there is any leftover food(trash) somewhere, she will immediately go find it and eat it, I guess because while she was stray, that was her way of survival and its a behaviour that has been both forced AND reinforced for a long time.
Keep up the realness,
a huge fan from Europe.
Welcome!
Yes! Welcome aboard! They can be addictive. Good thing you're limiting yourself 😂
BTW, incase you haven't heard Joel say it before, he doesn't answer customized training questions here. You can call or email BDT and set up a phone or zoom consultation. He has a series of important questions that need to be answered for each client, in order to be able to give his professional advice. That is his bread and butter.
26:00 very humbling hearing the kind words. Nothing but love for you guys, thanks guys ❤
👍🏼 And Eric says it's time for you to breed and up your game 🤣
I can’t wait to start the program. I had emergency surgery needed a break this month but I’m ready to change my life
Nothings uglier than watching a “positive only” trainer constantly throwing treats at a dog while deluding himself that this is going to stop an unwanted behavior.
Maybe we're all looking at it from the wrong angle? If given enough treats the dog eventually won't be able to run away and won't need good recall because it'll be too fat and tired to run away in the first place
@@rptrick79The backpack Hot Dog Extruder 2000. Just keep the supply steadily feeding the beast and I think it'll work
😂😂😂
As a positive dog trainer, I can see that you have a few holes and you’re understanding of how it works. All the best with your dog training
@@Dognerdca please explain?
I've kind of been doing some of your methods for years, then I started watching your videos and tweaked what I was doing. My dogs have gotten better and better ever since. About 4 months ago I found a roughly 1 year old Rottweiler that was dumped in the wood after hunting and she is well on her way to being the best behaved dog I've had thanks to your videos.
What you say about dog training is so true Joel. The same applies for raising kids. There are times we have to tell kids & dogs & and any other creature we interact, "Hey knock it off." Thanks Joel for the great quotes & solid advice & explanations on training dogs.
Great episode. When we first started our beef business and shipping, it was ugly. But through that ugliness and messing up we have been able to create a beautiful product and it gets better every year.
I also agree that celebrities should not be put on a pedestal. I've always been wary of overly charismatic and nice people.
And the more plant life and diversity we can put in our yards the better: veggies, flowers, etc.
I have so many opinions this week but I’ll limit myself to two this week, first is “force free” trainers and second is service dogs which I will put in a reply to this comment.
There is no such thing as force free training for humans or dogs.
Both babies and puppies are brought into this world by force, made to wear clothes/collars by force, are given basic obedience training by force, go onto higher education by force, follow the rules and/or laws by force, eventually they leave this world by force.
Neither children or dogs get a choice in these situations unless they are being raised in a way that gives them no consequences from their parents/human which will eventually lead to other people giving them consequences by force.
This is why balance needs to be in their lives, to show them what life is actually about and not have aggressive delinquents of either species just running around society hurting whoever they damn well please.
You can choose to have a well rounded, balanced child/dog or you can choose to have an entitled jerk, I know which one I much prefer to see in society.
I am a service dog handler (we call them assistance dogs here in Australia but I will say service dog here because it’s easier).
I have owner trained my service dog as a lot of people do because the charity organisations just cannot keep up with demand.
Hades is a mobility and psychiatric service dog (I have mobility issues and PTSD).
There will be some service dogs that don’t love their life but the overwhelming majority of the ones I’ve seen are happy and love their work.
What I’ve seen most handlers do is train a “work mode” and “off duty mode”.
When in work mode they aren’t allowed to interact with others unless they need to get help for their handler, although some are stricter with this rule than others.
In “off duty mode” most service dogs are allowed to be pet by others and generally act the way pet dogs do, they’re allowed to play with other dogs and greet people but you have to be selective with who you allow these interactions with. You don’t want to ruin a dog you’ve spent years training just to please other people.
With Hades I’ve let him just be a dog as a puppy and adolescent while training general obedience and only ramped up his task training at about one and a half years old.
You can’t work large breeds until they’re around two anyway so it’s a good idea to use those early years raising a well rounded, happy dog before working them. It’s better for everyone involved.
The organisations that train them for people (like guide dogs for the blind) actually put them with puppy raisers to get all the socialisation and general obedience done before they bring them in for their service dog training.
It works out really well and if they aren’t suited to the job they are adopted out as pets.
A service dog shouldn’t be miserable and if they are it is generally a result of having a bad trainer or handler.
Edit: a lot of service dogs get stolen because they’re trained to be friendly and accepting of people, another reason to not let them interact with anyone and everyone. A lot of handlers will dye the fur of their service dogs bright colours (often rainbows), if they’re light coloured, so they’re easier to recognise and less likely to be taken.
Have a great week everyone! 🫶🏼
For anyone reading this: I know that dog training can be difficult sometimes, but you're doing great. Keep up the good work, and your dog (and your own sanity) will thank you for it! ❤️💕
*excluding those that are not doing great and not doing a good job and those that will not find sanity and their dogs will bite them and others later. 😂
I had to put that disclaimer in for all the Christines
@@underduress5761 haha true, but I try to focus on the positive. If they're here, watching this video, then they're at least trying to get better. That means a lot, and I wanted to acknowledge that. ❤️💕
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I usually don't have a lot of time to listen to the full podcast, but when I saw "huskies" in the title I made sure to make time. I really enjoyed the podcast, but I was definitely disappointed that out of 1.5 hours, about two minutes was spent talking about huskies.
I started following your channel about two years ago when we adopted two husky pups into our family and your channel has helped me train them. Your methods work really well, even with my huskies' independent, stubborn demeanors. But I guess I was really hoping for a little more insight into working with such independent dogs and not just saying a few things about them that I'm already extremely familiar with. 😂
Hopefully we'll get some more husky talk or even some training videos (tho i doubt there's a ton of huskies in hot So Cal). I learn so much from your videos and really appreciate that you share your knowledge and insight!
same! Let’s comment huskies every episode until we get one lol
Loved your comment. Yeah, they only talk about dogs on the podcast between 6-50 minutes. It's a crap shoot really. They just let the conversations flow into whatever areas they go naturally and we get to hear their perspectives on life, society, government, homelessness, poverty, fighting, construction and girl slave labor 😂
Maybe they should change the thumbnails to a collage of images that represent the content.
I do feel you though. The thumbnails do tend to set up expectations
@@natnat3ndo316 I have a sneaking suspicion that Joel wouldn't reward that type of behavior. 😂😂 He'd probably make sure he never says "husky" again.
@@underduress5761 I do enjoy hearing their thoughts on more than just dogs and dog training, and I do agree that maybe they should change their thumbnails because it sets up an expectation that they may not be able to fulfill.
Guys! I do not have kids and I’m a dog trainer. Joel, I worked with Deaf/Hard of Hearing/Hearing adolescents who were aggressive for 20 years! They were living in a group home, which I supervised. We specialized in behavioral modification techniques , cognitive behavior therapy and applied appropriate interventions including “the go get method” when they “AWOL’d. They often tried to bite us and we had to go “hands on” and restrain them so that they wouldn’t hurt others and/or themselves…I have no kids, but everyday I was like a surrogate mother to several different kids from ages 6-18. Some kids actually would show up in a CAGE ! So you don’t actually HAVE to have kids to be a good trainer! Thoughts?!?
I am as outraged as you are. I had no idea I had to use my vagina first to pop out a kid to become a good dog trainer. Have no words
He did say to be a great dog trainer.
I agree with you! You don't need to have kids of your own to be a good dog trainer. I know plenty of dog trainers that have kids... that sucks at dog training.
I agree
Totally agree. I worked at a similar facility. I never even considered that we would do the "go get" method when the kids ran off, but that does describe it pretty well!
Me and my 10 yr old watch the pod. She giggles at Joel’s opinions. I’m shocked she gets the humor ha haa
Wow guys loving every topic in this podcast….from dog training to parenting to huskies to Hollyweird (we know what you’re speaking about Joel!) This is an EXCELLENT show. Pretty deep. Funny. Great team. Love it.
In psychology, there's a therapy called systematic desensitization. The difference to a habituation is the stress level.
For a habituation, the dog has to experience the stress and work through it e.g. with the other dog 10ft away.
For the desensitization, the dog has to experience no stress and just from watching the stimulus from afar, slowly get used to it. That's how you get to the 100ft away from the other dog training tips and work your way closer over months.
Do this shit at night is great but how about just get the shit done ! Love you guys . Never change , this is unleashed so go wild with it.
i thank jesus that the first dog training channel i found was yours, if for some reason i was alienated from a bad dog trainer i would be very sad in that universe
Interested to watch that documentary regarding grass that you mentioned. My understanding of the issue is just the grass we most often use as lawn requires a lot of water compared to other ground cover that could be used such as clover. Thinking the issues such as change to climate and biodiversity would occur with people getting rid of all plant life in their yard but not by simply changing the type of plant life.
A big reason we like fescue and other turf grasses for our lawn is because they hold up well to trampling. A yard full of turf won't look terrible when the kids are out playing on it every day. Other plants like clover don't bounce back from damage very well, and would die quickly, so it's a trade-off.
I personally like the term "messy" rather than "ugly".
FWIW I asked AI Chat :
"List 5 similarities & 5 differences between the terms habituation and desensitization."
Answer was long, but I found the following differences interesting:
Differences:
1. Habituation is a decrease in response to a stimulus after repeated exposure, while desensitization is a decrease in sensitivity or emotional response to a stimulus.
2. Habituation is a passive process that occurs naturally with repeated exposure, while desensitization is an active process that may involve techniques such as systematic desensitization.
3. Habituation is typically short-term and reversible, while desensitization can lead to long-term changes in behavior and emotional responses.
4. Habituation is more commonly associated with physiological responses, such as decreased heart rate or arousal, while desensitization is more commonly associated with emotional responses.
5. Habituation can occur in any living organism, while desensitization is typically used in the context of treating anxiety disorders or phobias in humans.
So the real question is: is AI accurate in this case?
All the very best!
Alexandra
P.S. I'm enjoying the Beckman's Coaching Program very much! It's informative & challenging & supportive. I feel honored to be in it!
Great explanation of dog training RIGHT OFF THE BAT !!!! Great job as usual ❤
Good show, now I'm ready to get a team of Huskys--moosh!
Made me feel a little better as I unknowingly rescued an independent minded breed
dog as a puppy. It is challenging. And, the word is this type will continue to test you
all it's life. Yet, no chance I'll give it up, care too much about what its life will be.
Another word for ugly could be 'grueling' or effort intensive, 'Ruff' rough, perhaps 'patience knows no bounds'. I also view Stonnie Dennis, who takes on different types of dogs, usually the
puppies and not the aggressive ones. Yet, he often mentions that many internet
trainers just show what will make them look good, downplaying the hard work involved
for a magical, seamless video. A kind of show boating, I think.
The entertainment industry has always been tough, but no place for children and teens.
A different set of problems now in the digital age because so much of marketing/business is dependent on social media/branding/influencers.
Some people are more magnetic, charismatic, creative made for the stage and we do need
them as well as writers, photographers, designers because they give us a ray of sunshine.
Yet manipulation and abuse as well as disproportionate value and lionization have to be
under control.
If you're looking for a place to rant, Lewis Black reads selected listener/viewer rants on his
Rant Cast and on stage.
My thought on the wording/nomenclature is that habituation and desensitization are synonyms. Habituation may be more popular in some circles, yet some words just
are easier to say, understand and use, roll off the tongue more easily.
I know for humans with anxiety disorder problems it's often called, exposure therapy.
To my mind, a set of 'interesting 'T' shirts might be appealing, who knows... down the road.
Good luck with the new school and in all endeavors, happy and safe all until next week.
💥 👍 💥 👏 GREAT POINT! Being "kind" to a dog is sometimes a "necessary ugly" process! A strictly "nice" relationship can be a death sentence!!!!! Doesn't mean ugly equates cruelty/abuse, but it does mean there will not be a soundtrack from The Notebook playing in the background of all of our dog's training moments.
You're one of the only people I've ever seen, note the difference between kindness and niceness, correctly. Yes, exactly
6:33 before talking about “training an aggressive human”, read the book “The Body Keeps the Score”
I'm listening to that book on Audible, just a few chapters in but already getting a lot out of the content and really enjoying it thus far ❤
ALWAYS Trust your gut and intuition! Go with it. I taught both of my boys to do just that. Your gut does not lie to you, except when you start questioning it. So, don't!
Unfortunately, not everyone has that gut feeling. That's a discernment that should be heeded by those that have it. Not to be mistaken with apprehensive fear that needs to be overcome though.
Some people follow their heart, mistaking it for gut instinct/discernment and the heart is above all deceitful
My dogs and I are currently going through an ugly phase since we recently had a new neighbor move in with a dog who has barrier aggression issues. I also happen to have one dog that has barrier aggression issues but I've never had to actually address the issue because we've never had a dog next door. Well now I have to & technically my helper dog corrects my problem one immediately and he tries to take the other dog running down the fence instead of letting them try to eat each other through the fence. Do you know how ugly it is when my helper dog isn't there and I'm in the backyard trying to get her away from the fence so that I can get her under control and teach her? I look foolish like I have no clue because I'm chasing this dog essentially up and down the fence line of the 1 acre area that they are in and she's attacking the fence. The neighbors never come out and even address the issue with their dog they holler at him from inside the house sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. But it would be even uglier if we were both trying to chase after our dogs. I try to make sure that she only goes out if my helper is out with her because as soon as she even tries to look at the fence he's hopping in front of her like no ma'am. I keep saying I'm going to make a video to post on my channel about it but I haven't gotten around to that yet... But essentially it's to go get method. Sit your butt down chill out and and then let's try it again. All day...
Why not send JP an invitation for your 50th podcast, you might get lucky 😉 (it would be a real fascinating episode)
Jim Caviezel was on Person Of Interest about a rogue group of congressmen and women using software invented to keep tabs on people that will commit crimes in the future...He was on TV s Seal Time but left because of creative differences and later played Jesus in The Passion of The Christ His body was so stressed and exhausted from playing the role that he had to undergo two open heart surgeries after the film production. Jim explained, “I didn't want people to see me. I just want them to see Jesus
Well, you were right Eric- we loved this podcast too. We’re never disappointed with your content!
I agree 100% with your take on celebrity culture Joel! We live in SoCal too and have had encounters with celebs in the past. Our oldest daughters did some TV work when they were small (even worked with George Clooney lol) This was 25 years ago when it wasn’t the toxic mess it is now. Celebrities and the entertainment industry in general need less of our attention and less of our money- our superpowers. We’ve cancelled streaming services and very rarely see movies. (There are great podcasts out there to watch instead! 😉) It may not make much of a difference, but it’s something. Thank you for bringing up important topics like this!
Unfortunately, Hollyweird has always been an industry that's connected with esoteric rituals.... from its inception. With the cat out of the bag, they attempt to make it look isolated, when it's not
According to Zac George no dog is aggressive. But then again time and experience shows what you have done and what many haven't been through yet.
Yup. He conveniently leaves things out that don't fit his narrative. It probably said " no dog I've ever trained us aggressive" but he didn't train it because he couldn't therefore they don't exist just as dominance doesn't. he couldn't make a video of him training a dog that would make him look bad. Never trust a person that only pins his links to his other puppy training videos in the current video lol.
Zac George never met one of my dogs, an Amstaff/American Bulldog cross. She is aggressive toward some people and all dogs outside the family pack. She’s great with horses and cattle, weirdly enough. We manage her to keep her out of situations that can escalate. My other two dogs can go anywhere and be anywhere safely. I think Zac George would run away rather than attempt to train any dog he thought might be “aggressive”.🙄
You mean the like the learned helplessness some dogs develop when constantly petted & touched . . . .? Haha - just lobbing that out there. Thank you for the validation of training being messy - I used to feel so bad when I misjudged my dogs comfort level & she lashed out. Loved the dog psychology stuff this week!. “Desensitisation” may not be the academically correct word (according to this expert), but 99% people will know exactly you mean, which is the whole point. See you next week!
The sausage dog chasing me wanting to rip me open the other day was definitely "UGLY"
How about if I had the experience of raising children, it could only improve me as a dog trainer?
Yes that what I’m saying
@@BDTrainingyou're also assuming I couldn't be a good dog trainer by assuming I don't have kid(s) or ones I know about lol. I feel slightly demoralized..hope I used that word right😂
He said "great dog trainer" 😂
@@rptrick79 but you have kid
@@BDTraining I really don't, I just have an unhealthy infatuation with Minnie mouse...don't judge. 😂
I do have 1, and if I didn't I still wouldn't take your statement super personal and completely outta context like it is currently being done.
It’s always ugly when a confident dog corrects a member of the pack who is being rude and disrespectful.
But then..breakthrough comes from that. The dog learned that that behavior isn’t tolerated and correction will be swift.
If you have a smart pooch you better be a walk tall and strong leader with smarts or you are going to get corrected by your dog and then comes aggressive because it thinks it can’t control you , since you aren’t worth listening to or following
We grow lots of good grass in Colorado...and in dispensaries
About the Desensitation and habituation. As I unserstand it:
Where a fearful dog is gradually introduced to nice, non-threatening dogs and then slowly exposed to more typical dogs in a careful, monitored, and paced manner, the process being employed is desensitization.
In contrast, habituation would occur if the dog simply became used to the presence of other dogs over time, with no structured increase in the intensity or type of exposure. Habituation would be more about the dog learning to ignore other dogs as irrelevant rather than changing its emotional response to them.
So you are doing mostly desensitation.
Joel's comments and fixation on people's skills/understanding because they have kids is based on an assumption the parents actually have the motivation, insight and dedication to their children. My father has no idea about children and many of my neighbours are the same. They don't even want their children and grandchildren being around. There is insight in being single with no children that married couples will never get or understand - does it matter? It is the capacity you to have your eyes, heart and intelligence open to the world. Joel has that, with or without children.
I thought a similar thing. I'm sure Joel really means those that not only have children, but are actively involved in loving their children and raising them zealously to grow to become great.
Not everyone that has children take on the responsibilities of them, with sobriety of mind and concern for what is the best.
Just looking around society today shows a huge disconnect in that arena
I think it's a crock of shit what he thinks on this subject tbh. Plenty of people with kids are absolutely clueless about what other people think, let alone dogs. Dogs are not complicated, they live in the moment and giving them too much credit and talking to them and treating them like you talk to and treat a child is how so many owners get into the problems they do and gives people like Joel so much work to deal with.
@Krapvag No, I don't agree with Joel but at least he is straightforward about what he thinks, even though I suspect he is prone to 'observers bias'. They should set up a test showing good dog trainers and Joel guessing if they have kids or not - see how many he gets right. I would need at least 30 samples and a statistically significant result to be swayed!
My mom was once walking in a park, and this wagon (off-season training for sledding) pulled by a bunch of huskies zoomed past. A few minutes later, along comes jogging the poor owner going "Have you seen a bunch of dogs go running by here....?" Poor guy, sled dogs have a ton of go when they get going. XD
😂 Not sure how the "go get method " works with sled dogs 😲
ABSOLUTELY TRUE ABOUT HUSKIES!
I had a positive only trainer tell me not to ever call my dog if I didn’t think she would come 😅 I decided to just teach the go get method instead LOL
So basically if you don't think you're going to get the results you want don't ask the behavior?
That's some idiotic dog training right there! Wow!
@@rptrick79 yep! Maybe good advice for a young puppy, but not my adult dogs!
@@rptrick79 some balanced trainers use this theory as well but with better explanation. Ie. Shield K9. Only use the COME command when you can 100% guarantee compliance (go get method, e collar, long line etc)
If even small chance they can choose to blow you off, use high sound or some other noise with their name etc.
Conditioning the COME command like this has worked beautifully for my dogs.
@@AprilCunningham that's a much better way and explanation.
Man, I came for the discussion on ugly dog training. Was not expecting an existential musing on how dangerous the truly moral person is. I'm not upset, just pleasantly surprised.
Joel, didn’t you once say that your next helper dog would be a husky? (Asking for a friend …) Interesting as always! Thank you both!
p.s. Eric’s reaction to the backstory of “Sound of Freedom” may be what the behaviorist was quibbling about. He was “sensitized” (i.e., profoundly affected). He cannot “unhear” what prompted his reaction or “unexperience” his experience of it. “Desensitization” almost sounds like a removal of the sensitization, which it is not. It is a blunting or a retraining or a method of coping with it; hence, the behaviorist prefers “habituation.” But I do understand common use of “desensitize” also. Jim C. (Caviezel = “Ka-vee-zul”) is a good and faithful man and a great speaker! p.p.s. An example of human learned helplessness: In a skilled nursing facility, someone helps feed an elderly man, who is capable of doing it himself, but is very slow. This happens every day, three times a day. Soon, the man stops participating and no longer feeds himself. Learned helplessness in this case becomes complete dependence. (We must encourage our elders to do all they can for themselves, within reason, to avoid this sad situation.)
would love to see that. hahahah
Damn. Bamboozled again. Fine. Can Joel do an update how the kittens are doing. Did the kittens and prince end up being friends?
I think it was an accomplishment to use the go get method with my husky to sit on her bed while eating and having my two year old daughter throw food on the floor for the dog... and she stays on her bed... takes all her will power and she would be vocal, but say on her bed until she's released. As for her off leash... never...
So would it be catorgoized as habituation when my dog slowly became terrified to thunder where eventually she was shaking for hours. A tiny bit of jack daniels (probably not the best route 😂 not advocating for it, but it worked), and she was drowsy during the storm, hanging out on my lap. Eventually she slept through the ending of the storm.
Now most storms dont bother her at all. The really rough ones still gets her shaking but definitely not for hours.
Sounds like she became less sensitive to me. *shrug* sometimes layman words make sense. And desensitization just makes sense.
Haha well maybe dehabituation sounds more sensical than habitation. We wanted to dog to stop with the shaking habit 🙃
Just got here° ❤ ... never got to comment on the last video, but, I loved it... will go there later... okay--- going to start now: wow! starting on a nice solid serious note, here... 🙂🏆
Dog training can be used on horses too :)
And turkeys! I'm currently using it on an aggressive male turkey and so far so good. lol
We use horsemanship on dogs, and it's called dogmanship;)
If you Google images of Doberman/Husky mix, they look so cute. But what would they be called? Dobersky? Huskerman?
I'd call it a doberman husky cross. I hate all these amalgamated names for cross breeds
@@ParkerExtremeI agree I have had a few wild mixes I currently have a staffishire boxer cross and once had a American bulldog Hermes old English cross both are a magnificent mix once socialized and trained!.
Sounds like a nightmare
They could be called dogs. Just an idea 🤷♂️
I have a Husky Labrador mix puppy and I prefer to call him a Huskador. He is six months old and already quite large, so it is imperative that I establish myself as the pack leader and start training now because as he grows bigger, I need to be able to control any inappropriate behaviors. He is very smart and relatively easy to train, but he does have the stubborn streak common in huskies. "We'll do this all day" is the best approach for any dog during training. Raising a child and training a dog have many similarities, but they are not mutually exclusive. Both are learned skills through research and learning, however raising a child gives you valuable insight into the developmental stages that dogs also go through. Dog Training skills also comes from research and learning from a great dog trainer, of which Joel is my favorite dog trainer and has great experience, is very knowledgeable about developmental stages in dogs, as well as an innate intuition of dog behaviors which is a gift that some people have and others must learn it over time spent with dogs and training them. Great podcast, I really enjoy all of the podcast no matter what topics are discussed. Thanks for all you do Joel and Eric!
The ego is such a big thing. Celebrities/movie and TV stars is the only job i know of where you have to literally get an award for everything you do just so you know you did a good job! Because millions of dollars isn't enough for them.
2 lions🦁 : *pulling hyena apart*
Hyena: *gets up and walks away* “understandable, have a nice day”
The number of times I have tracked barefoot through the snow to get a puppy that ran off chasing a critter. 99% perfect recall within the first year though
That was "ugly" but worth it! 👍🏼👍🏼
My first podcast episode is titled "the ugly side of dog training." and I fully agree. Good dog training isn't always pretty. it isnt rainbows and sunshine all of the time.
The music industry is gone. It's now a predatory industry abusing broken people, and if they're not already broken, they do the job. Their side job seems to be grooming kids to be as corrupt at them and to be assaulted in various ways. I'm 60, and a LONG time ago I sang in a rock band. I love music. But what they're selling today is sin and darkness, not music.
RAP is crap not music
Joel your hair looks great! 😅
Can’t tell if your kidding. My hair is so long, getting a haircut today.
@@BDTraining It looks great 👍
I don’t go to dog parks 👀 but I don’t have a fenced in yard, when I let my dogs in the backyard off leash it’s stressful with potential cars and people walking by in the front but I need to eventually trust them. If the dogs leave the yard knowing I’ve made it very clear they shouldn’t, I get them. It’s been a few months since the dogs I trust left my yard, on a good streak 🤡 also I don’t have kids 👀
I watch my girlfriends husky all the time and I also wrestle him with Jiu Jitsu moves
I think the shirt that says do that shit at night as a sign would be good. Every state has road workers that do it in the daytime. So you would not even have to explain it .
Yo! Huskies! Great for Canadian winters! Why don't other dogs like them though?
Yah you need Peterson’s take on the psychology of dog lovers - and bad versus good owners - how that correlates to one’s personal life… lol
Husky rescuer here. I have trained many Huskies. They are the best breed ever and I love them! You cannot be anything but a type A personality and at least 25% insane 😂 … but they are complete party animals. They’re confident, stunning and I would never have another breed. I can’t stand Velcro dogs. Dogs that have anxiety about every little thing..
and yes you can train a husky. Some like toys some like treats some need e collars.. all of them need prong collars (they are highly intelligent and can get out of harnesses and regular collars) but you must be very loud no matter what you use. Once they bond with their owners, they don’t leave their owners. Seriously. Ppl think they run off because they’re huskies it’s not true. They run off because their owners don’t spend time bonding with them. By the age of 4 if you’ve done your job you can let your husky off leash. Mine rarely on leash.
BUT PLEASE STOP BREEDING AND BUYING. They’re are not called housewolves for no reason! Also my husky is literally like Prince. Seriously. She’s a freaking angel!
Eric is right! Joel, you ARE using the word desensitization correctly! When you introduce fear based dogs to many different dogs, thats desensitizing the dog! There are other examples as well.
Ok you didnt really talk about huskies
Right? 😂😂 It was just two minutes of an hour and a half long podcast. I've followed Joel for a couple years now and was excited to hear his thoughts on huskies bc I have two hooligans myself. 😂 All we got was "they're independent, it'll be hard to train recall bc of that, and they're talkie". I knew all that!! 😂😂😂
I did enjoy the podcast, but I wish there was more time spent talking about huskies and tips for training such independent, head strong pups like them.
Yes he did really talk about huskies!
He dedicated like one hundred and twenty seconds! That's like 15 minutes in dog time
Rumble is where most of the people who are being censored are going currently.
Rumble is actually another centralized platform that does censor the content, like Bitchute and Patreon. Block chain sites are decentralized. My comments disappear when I name them here because the tech giants do not want people on these large sites to discover that there are other options.
Hey I have two huskies. Married with two kids mine are amazing off leash trained with a e collar they are used to our cows my horse cats. But yes other dogs do not like them they almost look at a husky almost like hey there is a coyote or a wolf. It's crazy how other dogs react to them.
I have actually said many times that if I ever had kids I would train them similarly to dogs... I cannot have kids though so I may never get the chance to try it. lol
I got you on 2 T-shirts with that sign. What size and brand (hanes etc.) fellas? You can be the test dummies er models?
My big beef with positive only training is it's so ignorant and it's simply bribing the dog into performing. Who is really holding the reins if you're having to bribe an animal to do something? The highest bidder is going to win and that little squirrel across the busy street is way more enticing than your little bits of food. Methods like Beckman's teach a dog to respect you. Dogs don't want to be uncomfortable and yeah, getting a dog to respect you will probably make them uncomfortable. But dogs get over things quick. In fact, most animals do. They don't go group because someone said "no you can't do that" or because someone went and got them. They get over it, learn from it and move on. It's called resilience. Animals have it in spades. Something humans could use a good dose of. Treating them like they're delicate little flowers who would never recover from being told "no" is disrespectful.
habituation: you live near a train station, initially the noise is a bother, but over time you notice the trains less and less.
desensitization: You have an irrational fear of trains, your psychologist suggests you visit a train museum, and then a defunct train car, before eventually exposing yourself to trains more to get rid of the irrational fear.
I disagree with the emailer, as most dog behaviours are based on irrational fear; most corrections will be desensitization. If you take a puppy to the pet store as part of your initial training, you're habituating them, because they don't have any real fear of the pet store. If you're exposing a fearful dog who was attacked once at the dog park and is reactive... you're desensitizing them to a previous sensitivity.
“Learned helplessness” is like being an American voter. No matter who we vote for they all (almost) do the same crap!
I know you guys have so many comments and questions, but maybe you’ll see this and discuss….I work with a lot of dogs who are older. When I walk them, they’re AWFUL! Pulling etc… what are your thoughts about actually applying some methods to these older dogs? Im not talking about 10 and up, but more like around 7-9 years or so…. Bigger breeds. Considering that most likely their owners won’t follow up with methods I apply, seems futile. It’s just hard to walk these dogs and really don’t want to , but they’re my clients so…. 🤷♀️
I think you have 3 options:
1. Keep going the way you are and as it sounds it sucks.
2. Implement some of Joel's methods to make the walks better and maybe some good will come of it even if the owners don't do it
3. Beg for forgiveness/Ask for permission and ask them to get on board and maybe charge more because you're helping them and their dogs
At least with the second option, the dogs will realize that they can't behave that way when you've got the leash. Dogs remember people.
I had a friend whose dog pulled and pulled. I took 45 minutes to train that 7 year old Crazy Boxer, but she learned to loose leash walk with me, but because her owners didn't care, she pulled them everywhere they went. But whenever the leash was set in my hand, she immediately checked in with me and walked right next to me
Thanks for the suggestions. 😊
@@melaniec.908 well, I'm doing a version of Joel's loose leash method with my buddies golden doodle I'm watching this weekend. It changes things and I say version because I'm walking it with my dog that walks just fine. Don't worry about everyone else's opinion. Do you, train your dog with these methods and if someone says something tell them to kick rocks. It's not hurting the dog especially a Dobie.
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Seeing violence over and over may desensitize a person to seeing violence. However, once you have Experienced violence and you have PTSD you can not desensitize, you will always be triggered by violence. A phobia is very different to a PTSD response, they come from a completely different place. A phobia is irrational and the fear is not based on lived experience whereas something that has a trauma response such as PTSD is a lived experience, it is not irrational and it will not respond to desensitization. A person who has a trauma response will simply be traumatized further by subjecting them to the stimulus over and over that was traumatizing. A dog that has been beaten over and over to within an inch of it's life will not get better with more beating and a dog that has experienced dog attack (and some have had multiple) they will be triggered by anything that doesn't roll over and show it's belly.
I gotta say the only celebrity that I cannot hold myself back from being overly excited to see is Justin Bieber. Specifically because he is a walking miracle. For someone that’s been in his industry for so long and to still have morals and humility for people I just have so much respect for him and if I met him I’d want to tell him that and pray with him. Aside of his celebrity status he’s a simple guy doing what he loves and finding purpose
What do you think about my Doberman walking infront of me on a loose leash but not necessarily pulling me?
He has said before that he's not super concerned with the in front walking as much as long as the dog is checking in, not pulling and isn't basically a reactive terror on a walk. (I paraphrased probably a few loose leash walking videos there). My dog walks a little ahead at times but not like 4-5' outta the 6 foot leash with my arm. I'd say arm down at side a little ahead but at the side and slack in the leash is better than 75% of the population.
@@rptrick79 I’m 19 and small with a 115 pound dog that weighs more than me. She is hardly a year old, she’s my first dog. I’m so cautious with her and try to be strict with her training because I know the breed gets a bad rep. I don’t want her to misrepresent Dobermans somehow or in front of the wrong person. I just wonder if letting her lead a few steps ahead could ever get us in trouble in certain situations. She doesn’t really need a big correction either since she’s not pulling so I’m not exactly sure what to do.
@@keiranaab3798 have you watched any of Joel's loose leash walking videos or age appropriate stages etc?
@@keiranaab3798 as far as leading a few steps that's going to depend on you and your dogs behaviors in general. If your dog isn't reactive, listens well and isn't scared of the entire outside world I'd say it's fine. It does however give you more time to react and keep your feet under you if the dog is by your side but that's not always realistic.
People misrepresent the breeds they have every day so I wouldn't worry about that. You're probably already ahead of the curve.
I'd only be concerned about that if I was in a competition and had to perform competition heeling. To test it just change the pace you walk at (10 steps fast, then super slow, then change direction), if the dog matches you then you're golden. Loose leash for me is being able to walk while holding onto the leash with 1 finger
Wow. This episode got real intense real soon. 😮😢
I’m always taking problematic dogs… and to bring them back to propper path, to be blue to take them to town and into hotel etc, I have to impress them
or they have to stay allot time at home… very boring
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49:00 I prefer your explanations honestly. It was very hard to follow and understand her explanation.
I totally agree
Some people get so lost in scholastics that they lose their ability to not only critically think, but also to comprehend and communicate effectively.
How do you train a dog that act’s differently when different people are around. So our original dog trainer would come over and the dog would act good, as soon as he leaves the dog acts up. Secondly, he is very good at home right now, but if someone else watches him he totally regresses and is very annoying to them. Also to the point where he knows how to act but chooses not to. This isn’t aggression, mostly annoying behavioral issues. Dog is a Wirehaired pointing griffon.
This is not a training issue this is a relationship issue. Your dog respects the trainer but not you.
It's like a child who behaves well at school but not at home.
Sounds like you have a good dog but he needs someone who will tell him what they want from him.
It's like any other thing - you have to practice. Do what the trainer does and practice. Teach your dog sitters what they need to do.
That's what Joel is constantly saying. You have to get up and go get the dog if it doesn't obey your command. You have to make the dog complete the command - come! means "come to where I want you". Not " turn your head and look at me".
Joel also says "watch me, not the dog".
Well that part was mostly back story, he is good at home now. But now it’s a hard to have other people watch him, because it’s new and I’m not there.
Uhm, feeling like an idiot...where do I go to get on the Tuesday's live? Anyone? LOL
Wait, are they Thursdays and not Tuesdays? Just cause I see the Husky one was from the 11th.
And let's be real his point is I've you've experience children full time I'm guess not like only parents aha cause I don't and can't have them but I've helped to raise multiple through different periods of life including a sibling who's 10 years younger than me. Please tell at your children and dog people. Joel Peterson said so
The reason you cant desensitize is because the amygdala is the trauma center and any trauma once experienced is recorded for good. PTSD as a result of trauma is permanent, it can be "managed" never cured because we cannot rewire the brain once PTSD has become a result of trauma.
Yeah, Diddy appears to be the Epstein of rap. Tom MacDonald is the rapper with Ben Shapiro. We'd follow a Rumble podcast to dive deep
54:06 come on Joel it takes a bigger man to admit they're wrong. I'm sure she understands the terminology of her specialty better than the rest of us. Sometimes you just have to concede.
He wasn't wrong though
@@underduress5761 no he wasn't.
Having kids and raising them correctly will enhance your ability for training dogs, however I don't think you have to have kids to be a great dog trainer.
You can't really tell a whale to knock it off😂
I’m listening k, but I’m just wondering how Joel would look with a top notch?! 😋
😂
You also forgot that huskies shed so much that you’ll never worry about fiber in your diet.😂
If you think dog trainers can’t be good without kids, don’t come to Oregon! We are that outdoor, adventurous type without kids. Lots of heelers and huskies here!
What does breed of the week mean? You guys never even mentioned it. I got click baited, thought you'd be talking about huskies. :(
BOTW or breed of the week is where Eric pops a breed on Joel and he tells what he knows about it if anything.
If you feel you got click baited don't read the timestamps once they're pinned lol
He did talk about huskies
My bad, they did talk about huskies towards the end like 1:19:09. =)
I've been told by a trainer not long ago that you shouldn't say no. What gives?
It sounds like the new modem doggy psychology pseudoscience that's being promoted in scholastica. Time proven, tried and true balanced training is where the cream rises to the top.
Hahaha i know what it is, those types of trainers are schemers! Im not saying this is Joels charge per visit, but if Joel is 1000 dollars for 1 visit and he gets the dog 70-80% of the way there, vs slow for 3 years people at 100 dollars a visit once a week for 3 years....why would they NOT push slow and steady, its not their pockets paying!😂😂
Edzachary!
@@rptrick79 since they don't have emoji reaction buttons I'll put it here 🤣
Bieber lost his monkey in Germany and never was the same
Positive only dog training works. No need to stress out a dog and constantly pull on them.
For some, sure.
You appear to be lost madam. This is the podcast for people living in reality.
Christine, Christine, Christine.... Consider this : there are absolutely zero examples that are recorded of PP training fixing dog aggression from dangerous and real aggressive dogs. ZERO
but thank you for your comments and support of this channel
@@OffGridDogs😂
What do you do when the dog doesn't care about treats or toys or anything you try that is "R+" and constantly pulls on the human? Give it away? Send it to the afterlife? Send it to the shelter so I can get worse because they have very little staff to work with dogs most of the time?
Where is the timestamp person 😭
I'm here takes time, they're done!
The first of two times I ever spanked my son was when he ran into the street when a car was coming. When I brought him back to the sidewalk, I told him how dangerous that was, and he could’ve gotten badly hurt or died. I said I was going to do something that I did not want to do but that I had to do so that he would remember it and never to do that again, and I spanked him. We both cried. ❤
all i would say is, that spanking probably came after the matter... a bit like scolding your dog for coming back when it eventually recalls and im afraid that's not the way.
@@gmathieson7184, I was responding to Joel's comment about a child running into the street. I had to go above and beyond for him to remember.
@@gmathieson7184I'm.pretty sure dogs memories and kids memories work slightly differently so your analogy for scolding after the fact and spanking doesn't hold much water
@@rptrick79 Yet if you were walking a child and a puppy down a busy street, and your child was running about out of control, and your puppy was on a lead... one stands a far greater chance of learning something that day. Another stands a chance of getting hurt. Weird... dogs are very much like children and yet we offer them the ability to learn differently seemingly... merely an observation. Maybe if the child was attached to one of those human baba leads a learning opportunity may have arisen sooner and a healthily reinforced boundary set?
@@gmathieson7184 I suppose but if you spank your kid that doesn't understand what you're telling it quite yet and the spank saves it's life then is it such a bad adversive to the alternative? They are much like kids but they learn different and at different speed in stages in life. I'm not saying go beat your kids ass and go over board, just as I wouldn't condone that same behavior towards a dog but it's not the end of the world if that's what you need to do in that particular moment. It's entirely better than being hit by a car for sure. Some grown people never had that and it kinda shows.
16 kids 😳 😂
Lol. You made the human version of a husky eat his words! Good work.
How about we Shout "DO this shit at night" instead of Buttonholing people from rooftops?
Yes I’m very anti Buttonholing others
@@BDTraining you sure because we just got bottonholed into life advice, Diddydidits and very little huskies talk.
Wait, I could've left....I wasn't buttonholed. Whew! That was a close call