Quick info for practice pad geeks: I think the black promark mentioned is nowadays marketed as "billy hyde" practice pad, it looks identical. Practice pads with beads giving the snare sound are available from Ahead (vic firth had also a model, the vic pad, but it's discontinued).
A 2019 Torelli ad here on YTube shows a 9" triangular snare pad with adjustable elements sim to beads here (from Brasil (Sao Paolo) I think): ruclips.net/video/Fml26zeTbeA/видео.html
Thanks Rick you’ve got me searching for a new / old pad , been using the real feel pad for years which you clearly don’t rate . Also been working on the clinch technique for orthodox grip . Thanks again for the videos.
Thanks Rick,,I hope you continue to put this quality material out..It really helps cut thru and shows how relaxed you can be..Joe said to me once:"You can make as hard as you want".Relax. Easier said than done Thanks
I bought a Sabian Quiet Tone after watching your videos. I like it a lot and is a great complement to the Evans RealFeel I used before. But yes it's weaker when playing quiet and it almost feels like there's some small space between the skin and the surface underneath. Tried to "tune" it, but it didn't really make any difference. To bad the older ones are hard to get by. Great video as usual!
I now use a Quiet Tone pad due to your videos. Great improvement over the rubber pad. I actually would've liked to have a nice wood hooped pad from the company "Rudimental Drummers", but $200 is a bit much for me.
Hi Rick I'm 64 Years old been using the same pad since I was 24.. " FRANK MAY " Pad ...13" Great Feel Not too bouncy .. I also have the same one you have ( MUTE) given to me by Henry Adler... PILLOWS is a Great Pad With Drum Corp Sticks ...
Rick, Really, keep the content up. I think I heard you mention that you are making more lesson-oriented videos with the digitalization of things during this period of time. You have become such an amazing resource for all students. You're experienced and knowledgeable, friendly, and also, able to produce interesting and informational videos. I guarantee you this channel will grow significantly at some point in the next few years, and you will become a much larger name within the online percussion world.
Also, one piece of advice for enriching your channel: Make some playlists for students. You've got a lot of videos, but, if you can organize them, you've just stepped farther into being a great teacher, not to mention how satisfying it will feel once your done. Some examples may be: Pratt's 14 Modern Solos, Original Pieces, Drum Set, et cetera.
Hi Thanks for the kind words. I am not that interested in growing bigger. I would prefer that the channel serve serious players like yourself so I do not advertise at all. I don't make any money off the channel so growth is not a concern. I enjoy doing the videos and I love to teach and perform so I am doing all of that here. This channel is my gift to all of my students.
Very well put. I always say your channel is RUclips's best kept secret. In a sea of BS artists out there Rick Dior is the real deal for serious percussionists.
They made the old ludwig pads in 10 in models as well, they're just a lot harder to come across. I own two in addition to an 8 in it's by far my favorite pad to use.
Do you have any recommendations for replacing a Quiet-Tone head with a worn coating? I bought the pad largely for practicing brushes, as well as rim-shots.
I have one of the rubber vacuum pads but I believe they sound loud so have to settle with a "quiet pad", buuuuuut yesterday evening I was practicing for just 5 minutes on the quiet pad and my neighbour knocked on my door complaining and asking if i was tap dancing!!! i think the only option left for me is to practice on my thighs and endure the pain :) sad that i can't even practice on a pad (i am now even afraid of playing my edrums)
Great video - very informative! Have you ever tried the Aquarian Super Pad? Curious to know what you think of it. I think it's pretty different from all of these pads.
Rick- I found one of the Ludwigs at a local thrift store. My question is do they still make the replacement heads for those? I seem to remember the heads being an actual drum head but can't remember. They're only asking $30 and the stand is included. And it's the larger one like the one you have. (20 minute mark or so). Let me know if the heads are still manufactured. I'd love to add this one to my collection of maybe 15 or so pads. My favorite pad in my collection is the Ram Pad Pro. A very responsive pad. Thanks in advance for the infop.
Hi Dennis I do not know if they still make the heads but I doubt it. I was at the Ludwig factory recently and it looks like they have really scaled back their drum head availability. If the head is in good shape buy it. You can try a coated tom head but I have not tried that.
@@rickdior The pad had a few dings, so I didn't want to buy it if the head was not available. I may do a little research and go from there. I have a fairly large arsenal of pads anyway but this one has particular meaning since my first drum teacher used one exactly like it and our section leader in college had one also. We'll see.
hello, nice play and great video. Would you say the sabian quiet tone are the best for brushes now?If not which one? I am starting to learn brushes and need a pad ASAP. Ive read in the comments you make products? Could I have more info? Thx a lot! :)
Hi Armando There are several pads you can use for brushes. Anything with a coated head will work fine. Even a cardboard box will work in a pinch! The quiet tone is a good choice but make sure you get the classic verion with a coated head and not the one with the mesh head. Stay well Rick
Hi - just saw this vid. What is the stand you are using to mount the Ludwig tunable prac. pad on? I've the 70's version, with the washer stuck on the underside. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info. Ludwig has several thread sizes?? didn’t know that. I have a second pad from the 60s that fits onto the old flat base. The one I’m asking about does not fit on any stand that I have. I’ve tried over a dozen. The shaft is thicker like on a modern stand but the threads need to be more coarse, like the Hercules models from the 70s and 80s I am guessing.
I’m really confused on something with the Gladstone style rubber vacuum pads - about a year and half ago I helped a buddy restore an old acrolite that came with a Yamaha branded pad, and it just sounded like a practice pad/no snare response so we got rid of it. Just a few days ago, I picked up an acrolite for myself and it had the Ludwig branded pad - and to my surprise and delight it sounds great with a bit of snare response from the drum. If I recall correctly the other Yamaha one was thicker, but you said something here about how some drums will get a snare response from these and others won’t - can you elaborate on which ones work or not, and why? Can’t seem to find any answers on the forums etc.
The Gladstone type pads with the metal disc under the rubber worked best for capturing a bit of snare sound. The old Ludwigs had that disc. The weight of that pad helped it sit heavy on the drum and enabled it to pick up some snare vibration.
Hi I have changed both. The Ludwigs use the old Ludwig tambourine/snare head if you can find one. Otherwise try a 8" coated Remo diplomat or something similar. I would use a Remo ambassador or similar weight coated head to change out the Sabian.
I have the same practice pad, but I feel a little little air space between the ruber base and the back of the drumhead. Iess of 1 mm. It is minimal, but that affects some precision strokes like press roll. Do you feel the same on your practice pad? may be is normal in these kind of pad.
The tambourine heads for the Ludwig pad seem to be impossible to find now. I found one of the Ludwig pads for sale, but wanted to ask if an 8 inch Remo head would fit on the Ludwig pad.
You would think so but I have never tried. The rim depth and thickness on the regular head could be different. I remember that tambourine head had a very thin collar.
i think that real feel brand is the best pad ever created. is really awesome and is the best quality of rubber. i have real feel and sabian quiet tone, but i feel some kind of "air" between the wood Base and the back of the head, even if i play in the center. do you feel the same?
Hi Sounds like you might have a defective pad. When Sabian first took over the patent they changed the parts which resulted in several years worth of very bad pads. They have fixed this issue in the last 2 or 3 years. I never like to play or practice on anything but a real drum head so I do not use a real feel pad
@@rickdior yes, another info is that the original drum mute pad, was not conceived for use with a drum head. the inventor just proposed the same pad that "drum mute" brand, but without a drumhead on top. just a plastic. so, if you take the drum head away, you will have the original pad, just as it was intended, and you will feel a more "bouncy" surface, but not for brushes. i think that the drum head mounted on the original pad, was a later idea.
That is incorrect. I have a Henry Adler original drum mute that is 50 years old. That's who invented and patented it. It has a real drum head. Once again, you should practice on a real head. Playing on rubber creates artificial feedback that is not similar to a real drum. If you play on a rubber pad for most of your practicing when you are developing technique and then move to a real head there will be issues with control of the natural rebound. I have seen this time and time again with students. If you already have excellent technique it's not a big deal. The problem is when students learn on rubber and then try to move to a real drum which is completely different then a piece of rubber. Most of the problems occur when learning traditional grip on rubber. Students never learn to use their fingers correctly and end up playing stiff with the traditional (weak) hand.
@@rickdior I only found the drum mute ivented by Merton Glick under numer pat US3453924A United States check google pat. may be is the same pad but with modifications after Adler's pad. I teach using a snare drum, because no pad is real, even the quiet tone and adlers pad. the physic of a snare drum is based on air rebound. is not just the kind of the sueface but the air inside of the shell. I agree with you about that is not recomended to play on rubber pad for beginners players. I play on real feel gum rubber because i have the technic learned and gum rubber feels good. I am working on create a practice pad based on "air reboud" i hope to do it! I invite you to suscribe in my channel if you want. Thank you!
I wanted to get a quiet tone with the real head, but at the time the only thing I could find with the version with the mesh head. Does any one know if you can put a real head on the mesh version? It doesn't have stuff in the center like the real head does. It just has a wooden hoop that acts as a bearing edge. Thanks
You will hear the drumhead tone (a kind of rototom effect), unless you heavily mute it. Also, to me it feels like the structure won't take enough tension to tune the head above a medium tuning, which is unusable if you look for the common medium high/ high snare drum tuning.
Thank you Rick I’m a beginner so of course I have all kids of questions,And just want to say thank you for taking the time responding back to even beginners, I’m watching all your videos and learning about traditional gripping .God bless you and thanks for sharing your gift with us....Howie
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Quick info for practice pad geeks: I think the black promark mentioned is nowadays marketed as "billy hyde" practice pad, it looks identical. Practice pads with beads giving the snare sound are available from Ahead (vic firth had also a model, the vic pad, but it's discontinued).
A 2019 Torelli ad here on YTube shows a 9" triangular snare pad with adjustable elements sim to beads here (from Brasil (Sao Paolo) I think):
ruclips.net/video/Fml26zeTbeA/видео.html
Thanks, but nowadays? I bought a pad like that labeled Billy Hyde in like 2005. Must be the other way around.
Thanks Rick you’ve got me searching for a new / old pad , been using the real feel pad for years which you clearly don’t rate . Also been working on the clinch technique for orthodox grip . Thanks again for the videos.
Thanks Rick,,I hope you continue to put this quality material out..It really helps cut thru and shows how relaxed you can be..Joe said to me once:"You can make as hard as you want".Relax.
Easier said than done
Thanks
I bought a Sabian Quiet Tone after watching your videos. I like it a lot and is a great complement to the Evans RealFeel I used before. But yes it's weaker when playing quiet and it almost feels like there's some small space between the skin and the surface underneath. Tried to "tune" it, but it didn't really make any difference. To bad the older ones are hard to get by. Great video as usual!
Very helpful, thank you Rick. Greets from Germany Bime
Thank you MR Rick this was very helpful
Fantastically useful and informative!
Studying with Henry Adler in the early 70s we used his invention the quiet tones..i believe that's when he invented them.thanks greg venuto
I now use a Quiet Tone pad due to your videos. Great improvement over the rubber pad. I actually would've liked to have a nice wood hooped pad from the company "Rudimental Drummers", but $200 is a bit much for me.
Practice several hours a day !
Hmmmm , what a concept.
Inspiring
The little blue pad is a Pro Mark pad I believe. I have one as well.
I like your grip.
God bless you,bro!!!!
Same to you
GREAT VIDEO
Hi Rick I'm 64 Years old been using the same pad since I was 24.. " FRANK MAY " Pad ...13" Great Feel Not too bouncy .. I also have the same one you have ( MUTE) given to me by Henry Adler... PILLOWS is a Great Pad With Drum Corp Sticks ...
Rick,
Really, keep the content up. I think I heard you mention that you are making more lesson-oriented videos with the digitalization of things during this period of time. You have become such an amazing resource for all students. You're experienced and knowledgeable, friendly, and also, able to produce interesting and informational videos. I guarantee you this channel will grow significantly at some point in the next few years, and you will become a much larger name within the online percussion world.
Also, one piece of advice for enriching your channel: Make some playlists for students. You've got a lot of videos, but, if you can organize them, you've just stepped farther into being a great teacher, not to mention how satisfying it will feel once your done. Some examples may be: Pratt's 14 Modern Solos, Original Pieces, Drum Set, et cetera.
Hi
Thanks for the kind words. I am not that interested in growing bigger. I would prefer that the channel serve serious players like yourself so I do not advertise at all. I don't make any money off the channel so growth is not a concern. I enjoy doing the videos and I love to teach and perform so I am doing all of that here. This channel is my gift to all of my students.
Hi
That's a good suggestion...I will look into it.
Very well put. I always say your channel is RUclips's best kept secret. In a sea of BS artists out there Rick Dior is the real deal for serious percussionists.
They made the old ludwig pads in 10 in models as well, they're just a lot harder to come across. I own two in addition to an 8 in it's by far my favorite pad to use.
Hi
I did not know that.
Thanks for the info.
Do you have any recommendations for replacing a Quiet-Tone head with a worn coating?
I bought the pad largely for practicing brushes, as well as rim-shots.
Can the head be changed on the vintage _Drum Mute_ pad? (Also, in addition to the tone, I like the vintage _Drum Tone's_ higher rim.)
I have one of the rubber vacuum pads but I believe they sound loud so have to settle with a "quiet pad", buuuuuut yesterday evening I was practicing for just 5 minutes on the quiet pad and my neighbour knocked on my door complaining and asking if i was tap dancing!!! i think the only option left for me is to practice on my thighs and endure the pain :) sad that i can't even practice on a pad (i am now even afraid of playing my edrums)
If you have a small walk in closet try that.
All of the soft clothes will dampen the sound.
@@rickdior thanks for the tip :) i unfortunately l don't have a walk-in closet ... but good tip, gave some idea on how i can dampen it a bit .
and by the way thank you for all the content you have published, a very informative and valuable channel
Спасибо
Thanks
Great video - very informative! Have you ever tried the Aquarian Super Pad? Curious to know what you think of it. I think it's pretty different from all of these pads.
Hi Robin
I have not tried that pad but a few of my students use it and like it.
Rick- I found one of the Ludwigs at a local thrift store. My question is do they still make the replacement heads for those? I seem to remember the heads being an actual drum head but can't remember. They're only asking $30 and the stand is included. And it's the larger one like the one you have. (20 minute mark or so). Let me know if the heads are still manufactured.
I'd love to add this one to my collection of maybe 15 or so pads. My favorite pad in my collection is the Ram Pad Pro. A very responsive pad. Thanks in advance for the infop.
Hi Dennis
I do not know if they still make the heads but I doubt it. I was at the Ludwig factory recently and it looks like they have really scaled back their drum head availability. If the head is in good shape buy it. You can try a coated tom head but I have not tried that.
@@rickdior The pad had a few dings, so I didn't want to buy it if the head
was not available. I may do a little research and go from there. I have a
fairly large arsenal of pads anyway but this one has particular meaning
since my first drum teacher used one exactly like it and our section
leader in college had one also. We'll see.
hello,
nice play and great video. Would you say the sabian quiet tone are the best for brushes now?If not which one? I am starting to learn brushes and need a pad ASAP.
Ive read in the comments you make products? Could I have more info?
Thx a lot! :)
Hi Armando
There are several pads you can use for brushes. Anything with a coated head will work fine. Even a cardboard box will work in a pinch!
The quiet tone is a good choice but make sure you get the classic verion with a coated head and not the one with the mesh head.
Stay well
Rick
@@rickdior Ya I saw your comment about the mesh head could give you problems thx a lot
Hi - just saw this vid. What is the stand you are using to mount the Ludwig tunable prac. pad on? I've the 70's version, with the washer stuck on the underside. Thanks for the info!
Just a plain old cymbal stand. There are several thread sizes so make sure it fits so you do not srtip it.
Old ludwig cymbal stands are your best bet.
Thanks for the info. Ludwig has several thread sizes?? didn’t know that. I have a second pad from the 60s that fits onto the old flat base. The one I’m asking about does not fit on any stand that I have. I’ve tried over a dozen. The shaft is thicker like on a modern stand but the threads need to be more coarse, like the Hercules models from the 70s and 80s I am guessing.
I’m really confused on something with the Gladstone style rubber vacuum pads - about a year and half ago I helped a buddy restore an old acrolite that came with a Yamaha branded pad, and it just sounded like a practice pad/no snare response so we got rid of it. Just a few days ago, I picked up an acrolite for myself and it had the Ludwig branded pad - and to my surprise and delight it sounds great with a bit of snare response from the drum. If I recall correctly the other Yamaha one was thicker, but you said something here about how some drums will get a snare response from these and others won’t - can you elaborate on which ones work or not, and why? Can’t seem to find any answers on the forums etc.
The Gladstone type pads with the metal disc under the rubber worked best for capturing a bit of snare sound. The old Ludwigs had that disc. The weight of that pad helped it sit heavy on the drum and enabled it to pick up some snare vibration.
@@rickdior ah interesting the Yamaha must have not had that then, thanks for the quick reply!
Have you ever changed the heads on the sabian, remo, or ludwig pads?
Hi
I have changed both. The Ludwigs use the old Ludwig tambourine/snare head if you can find one. Otherwise try a 8" coated Remo diplomat or something similar. I would use a Remo ambassador or similar weight coated head to change out the Sabian.
I have the same practice pad, but I feel a little
little air space between the ruber base and
the back of the drumhead. Iess of 1 mm. It is
minimal, but that affects some precision strokes
like press roll. Do you feel the same on your
practice pad? may be is normal in these kind of
pad.
I have a gum rubber two sided 12 in Evans real feel. Should I upgrade practice pads? really dont feel like I need too
If you are confortable with that pad then by all means keep using it. I just prefer to play on pads with a real drumhead .
The tambourine heads for the Ludwig pad seem to be impossible to find now. I found one of the Ludwig pads for sale, but wanted to ask if an 8 inch Remo head would fit on the Ludwig pad.
You would think so but I have never tried. The rim depth and thickness on the regular head could be different. I remember that tambourine head had a very thin collar.
@@rickdior thanks for the response. I'll try it and post the answer here so others with the same question will know.
Rick ,have you tried the prologix soft blue lightning pad?
I have not
What snare drums are under those pads.
i think that real feel brand is the best pad ever created. is really awesome and is the best quality of rubber. i have real feel and sabian quiet tone, but i feel some kind of "air" between the wood Base and the back of the head, even if i play in the center. do you feel the same?
Hi
Sounds like you might have a defective pad. When Sabian first took over the patent they changed the parts which resulted in several years worth of very bad pads. They have fixed this issue in the last 2 or 3 years.
I never like to play or practice on anything but a real drum head so I do not use a real feel pad
@@rickdior yes, another info is that the original drum mute pad, was not conceived for use with a drum head. the inventor just proposed the same pad that "drum mute" brand, but without a drumhead on top. just a plastic. so, if you take the drum head away,
you will have the original pad, just as it was intended, and you will feel a more "bouncy" surface, but not for brushes. i think that the drum head mounted on the original pad, was a later idea.
That is incorrect. I have a Henry Adler original drum mute that is 50 years old. That's who invented and patented it. It has a real drum head. Once again, you should practice on a real head. Playing on rubber creates artificial feedback that is not similar to a real drum. If you play on a rubber pad for most of your practicing when you are developing technique and then move to a real head there will be issues with control of the natural rebound. I have seen this time and time again with students. If you already have excellent technique it's not a big deal. The problem is when students learn on rubber and then try to move to a real drum which is completely different then a piece of rubber. Most of the problems occur when learning traditional grip on rubber. Students never learn to use their fingers correctly and end up playing stiff with the traditional (weak) hand.
@@rickdior I only found the drum mute ivented by Merton Glick under numer pat US3453924A
United States
check google pat. may be is the same pad but with modifications after Adler's pad. I teach using a snare drum, because no pad is real, even the quiet tone and adlers pad. the physic of a snare drum is based on air rebound. is not just the kind of the sueface but the air inside of the shell. I agree with you about that is not recomended to play on rubber pad for beginners players. I play on real feel gum rubber because i have the technic learned and gum rubber feels good. I am working on create a practice pad based on "air reboud" i hope to do it! I invite you to suscribe in my channel if you want. Thank you!
Its Called the Quiet Tone Drum Mute....not the Drum Mute which is a different product.
When I do a search for Sabian Quiet Tone Pads I keep getting mesh heads and not a real snare head.
What do you think of mesh practice pads?
Hi Andrew
I don't like them and they might give you tendinitis in your elbow. They also will eat up the tips of your sticks.
I wanted to get a quiet tone with the real head, but at the time the only thing I could find with the version with the mesh head. Does any one know if you can put a real head on the mesh version? It doesn't have stuff in the center like the real head does. It just has a wooden hoop that acts as a bearing edge. Thanks
Hi
Not sure what you mean but the Sabian quiet tone pads all come with a real drum head.
@@rickdior They make a mesh version now as well.
I would stay away from that.
You will hear the drumhead tone (a kind of rototom effect), unless you heavily mute it. Also, to me it feels like the structure won't take enough tension to tune the head above a medium tuning, which is unusable if you look for the common medium high/ high snare drum tuning.
How do you tune a practice pad please? Thank you Howie
The quiet tone pads have lugs just like regular drums. You can tighten or loosen up to a point. Not as much range as a drum.
Thank you Rick I’m a beginner so of course I have all kids of questions,And just want to say thank you for taking the time responding back to even beginners, I’m watching all your videos and learning about traditional gripping .God bless you and thanks for sharing your gift with us....Howie
ProMark XPad
Hey Rick! Is that real feel still available?
It is not. Not that version anyway.
@@rickdior I meant like from you, you said you didn’t like it and im wondering if I can take it if your hands if you’re still willing lol
Sorry, I gave it to a student a while back.
@@rickdior it’s ok lol, imo those are great pads, and he’s lucky to have you as a teacher!
Hello Rick I’m interested in some of your Lacewood Sticks can I have you Email so I can contact you in that way?
Rickdior@gmail.com