Excellent story telling. Lot of tension in the tale, I am cheering on both sides. The desert has to be an incredible difficult environment to fight in. Brave men on all sides.
What a cliffhanger at the end! I am really interested to hear more about these kind of small operations. While the battles aren't large it's easier to concentrate on the individuals and their command, speculate on their mindsets and such.
Yes! Small battles are interesting in their own right :) and the next one in this series will be interesting as "Moore's March" has become a bit of a legend of the endurance shown by special forces troops.
Yeah. I'd heard of the Long Range Desert Group from Call of Duty: Finest Hour but never knew much about them. Hell, the entire African campaign in general isn't talked about much aside from Rommel and Montgomery's doings. Most think the Italians just failed in North Africa and were replaced by the Germans and didn't do much else till they surrendered. Really cool these tiny battles.
Wow. This is really engrossing. You really know how to keep the drama and tension high! :D That Italian truck patrol is exactly what General Graziani needed more of, in order to counter the LRDP. The Italians had lots of trucks in their arsenal, and with Graziani supporting mobile warfare doctrine, the Italians really had a lot of potential. I wonder what the French arsenal looked like by comparison...?
Glad you're enjoying it :) According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, it's not a reliable source) the reason the Auto-Saharan Company didn't use their patrols as much or as effectively as the LRDG, is because the Italians ran out of fuel. I've no further information from the sources I have, but it could be true. However, there's no excuse for not using the ASC more aggressively at the start of the conflict when fuel was available.
This is why I thought you'd like 'Supplying War' by Martin Van Creveld. He has a lot of information on the logistics of the North African front, albeit beginning with Rommel's arrival. Even if the Italians had enough fuel, they relied on the coastal ports to move it around- moving it overland by truck or train meant using predictable paths that the RAF had dialed in. Plus, imagine driving hundreds of trucks 300-750 miles just to deliver gasoline to the tanks. Italy simply didn't have the necessary infrastructure or familiarity with the uncharted terrain.
Stalingrad's going well! I have over 90 pages of notes from Glantz's five-part-trilogy and I'm only a slither of a way into book two of five. I have plenty of OOB's and tables showing various things. And that's just Glantz. I've done many more pages of notes from other authors and other books. The list of books I have bought and have yet to read is growing, and I'm now on Day 5 of trying to learn German so I can read German books too. After that, hopefully I'll conquer Russian. I have one map more-or-less complete, and have several more to make. Can't even fathom how I'm going to make the Stalingrad city map yet. Plus, I've got hundreds of units still to make. It's simply unreal. I spend hours on my days off from work just making notes. Completely dedicated. When I go to work, all I want to do is go home and do more. I'm pushing myself to make the TIKhistory videos in order to give myself a well-deserved break and keep everyone up to date with it, otherwise you'd wonder where I've gone for years. Not a day goes by where I don't spend at least an hour working on this. Usually it's many more than that. My key problem right now is time. If only I had more time I could do so much more... That's why I'm asking for patience from everyone and demanding so much from myself. NOT ONE STEP BACKWARD!
My dad was in the G2 patrol at the Murzuk raid. He was captured in Dec.41 when the Officer Tony Jay mistook a German column of E force. 8 Coldstreamers and 2 Scots where captured my dad Bill Eccles was a prisoner for 4 years in Germany.He had an Italian summer uniform on in a German winter!!
Hi TIK, I hope you dont mind, I mentioned you on one of my Close Combat video, and I put you as a Squad Leader. Your my favorite Close Combat youtuber so I figured I would give you this honor.
Hey Hobo, wow I didn't realise you were doing videos! That's awesome :) thanks for putting me as squad leader. Would like to watch it, which video is it? Also, just checked out one of your other videos and I can help you improve your commentary audio if you'd like some help with that?
So intrigued to learn so much more about the LRDG as my great grandfather was in them. My gran has a book with a heaps of photos and and is great read but want to learn so much more
Suggest you read Private Army, an account of Popski's Private Army (their official name, and the smallest unit in the British army). Shows what a difference attitude makes.
i just finish reading - history of world war 2 armed service memorial edition by francis t miller, it was put out by the national literary guild- toronto, in 1946, a great compilation book from independant reports from all over the world, it's worth a look, love the series, i'm a war history buff, ever since i found out my greatuncle was part of the CEF during ww1
As far as what the sources I used said, D'Ornano and sergeant Hewson were the first casualties of the LRDG. I'm not sure who died first in the battle at Murzuk. However, the sources may not be 100% accurate so don't quote me on this :)
My Grand father was with the LRDG on the Te Anau 2. Walter Rail tells a different pain and lose that the NewZealanders faced. Does no one speak of Barce?
www.lrdg.org/images/Unknown%20Trooper.jpg This a photo of an unknown Kiwi trooper with LRDG shoulder patch who saved popski driving a T patrol truck back from Barce.
TIK the illness I get. It seems that everyone is just dying, it's worse than the Black bloody Death. I thought it would be less crazy at work due to it being Christmas. That's what I'm finding anyway
I gather that that colonel Leclerc must have been a rather competent commander if Bagnold was willing to put some of his own men under his command... I wonder if he will go on to make any contributions to the war?
An entirely different version of events than that of the NZ forces. Colonel Stirling ( Scots ) stole the LRDG and all its equipment and sent the NZ operatives back to their original units, he went on to totally botch his first mission with the ex NZ LRDG equipment resulting in many of his British men perishing ... Stirling was despised by the Kiwis. Still I am not surprised by your version of events given the bashing you gave Freyberg over the British debacle of Crete expecting him to hold Germany's best paratroopers with 4 tanks and just a few anti-aircraft guns.
I think that's because it's a division-and-up game. I'd like to play a mod that allowed you to play at battalion level, and actually used a decent order of battle system (the one in HOI3 was better, but way too clumsy). They also need to actually factor in logistics too, as well as sort the resource system out to include food resources, and make the oil situation more desperate for Germany and Japan.
First. Tried to trick me by not uploading for two weeks but it failed ha! But why would the garrison's commander have lunch so far from the site wouldn't it be much better for him to have lunch at the airfield due to the fact that all his chefs are there and there's actually some tables and chairs and stuff to have lunch
Sounds like he went for a picnic with his family , somewhere nice and that was a break from the monotonous garrison life at the fort and airfield - or he was dining with a friendly local chieftain and his family - just guesses . Thanks for posting
Unsure what you mean in the last bit but the Americans valued NZ soldiers greatly, far more than the British ever did ... The man that respected NZ more than any was Field Marshall Rommel.
Excellent story telling. Lot of tension in the tale, I am cheering on both sides. The desert has to be an incredible difficult environment to fight in. Brave men on all sides.
I dig it. Like the old school history channel, but with actual research and minus repetitive stock footage.
@@RoniiNN This is true. Nobody really did anything else back in the day.
What a cliffhanger at the end! I am really interested to hear more about these kind of small operations. While the battles aren't large it's easier to concentrate on the individuals and their command, speculate on their mindsets and such.
Yes! Small battles are interesting in their own right :) and the next one in this series will be interesting as "Moore's March" has become a bit of a legend of the endurance shown by special forces troops.
Yeah. I'd heard of the Long Range Desert Group from Call of Duty: Finest Hour but never knew much about them. Hell, the entire African campaign in general isn't talked about much aside from Rommel and Montgomery's doings. Most think the Italians just failed in North Africa and were replaced by the Germans and didn't do much else till they surrendered. Really cool these tiny battles.
Wow. This is really engrossing. You really know how to keep the drama and tension high! :D
That Italian truck patrol is exactly what General Graziani needed more of, in order to counter the LRDP. The Italians had lots of trucks in their arsenal, and with Graziani supporting mobile warfare doctrine, the Italians really had a lot of potential. I wonder what the French arsenal looked like by comparison...?
Glad you're enjoying it :)
According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, it's not a reliable source) the reason the Auto-Saharan Company didn't use their patrols as much or as effectively as the LRDG, is because the Italians ran out of fuel. I've no further information from the sources I have, but it could be true. However, there's no excuse for not using the ASC more aggressively at the start of the conflict when fuel was available.
This is why I thought you'd like 'Supplying War' by Martin Van Creveld. He has a lot of information on the logistics of the North African front, albeit beginning with Rommel's arrival.
Even if the Italians had enough fuel, they relied on the coastal ports to move it around- moving it overland by truck or train meant using predictable paths that the RAF had dialed in. Plus, imagine driving hundreds of trucks 300-750 miles just to deliver gasoline to the tanks. Italy simply didn't have the necessary infrastructure or familiarity with the uncharted terrain.
My Grandad was in G patrol at the attack on Murzuk and many more missions untill captured with G1 patrol in December. R.I.P Mac.
My dad was in the same unit and captured at the same time Guardsmen William (Bill) Eccles
I would like to hear the name of your dad.
@@stepheneccles1121 Hi Stephen my grandfather's name was guardsman Bernard McDermott (Mac).
I love watching this series over and over! One of my favorite works of yours.
I will continue it at some point. When I need to take a break from Stalingrad, I'll do this
No worries! Don't rush perfection, the more time you stick into it the better it is. Thank you though! How is Stalingrad going?
Stalingrad's going well! I have over 90 pages of notes from Glantz's five-part-trilogy and I'm only a slither of a way into book two of five. I have plenty of OOB's and tables showing various things. And that's just Glantz. I've done many more pages of notes from other authors and other books. The list of books I have bought and have yet to read is growing, and I'm now on Day 5 of trying to learn German so I can read German books too. After that, hopefully I'll conquer Russian.
I have one map more-or-less complete, and have several more to make. Can't even fathom how I'm going to make the Stalingrad city map yet. Plus, I've got hundreds of units still to make. It's simply unreal.
I spend hours on my days off from work just making notes. Completely dedicated. When I go to work, all I want to do is go home and do more. I'm pushing myself to make the TIKhistory videos in order to give myself a well-deserved break and keep everyone up to date with it, otherwise you'd wonder where I've gone for years. Not a day goes by where I don't spend at least an hour working on this. Usually it's many more than that.
My key problem right now is time. If only I had more time I could do so much more... That's why I'm asking for patience from everyone and demanding so much from myself. NOT ONE STEP BACKWARD!
Yea, just take your time. Don't be afraid to ask your audience and subs for help too! I'm sure we all can make it a little easier perhaps somehow!
Fantastic info, and well put together, thank you.. ( one year later 🤭 )
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Damn man, I've been looking around the channel today and I love it, such a great mix of history and gaming... Subbed!
absolutely brilliantly researched untold story told with penache, I salute you...
My dad was in the G2 patrol at the Murzuk raid. He was captured in Dec.41 when the Officer Tony Jay mistook a German column of E force. 8 Coldstreamers and 2 Scots where captured my dad Bill Eccles was a prisoner for 4 years in Germany.He had an Italian summer uniform on in a German winter!!
Hi TIK, I hope you dont mind, I mentioned you on one of my Close Combat video, and I put you as a Squad Leader. Your my favorite Close Combat youtuber so I figured I would give you this honor.
Hey Hobo, wow I didn't realise you were doing videos! That's awesome :) thanks for putting me as squad leader. Would like to watch it, which video is it?
Also, just checked out one of your other videos and I can help you improve your commentary audio if you'd like some help with that?
So intrigued to learn so much more about the LRDG as my great grandfather was in them. My gran has a book with a heaps of photos and and is great read but want to learn so much more
Suggest you read Private Army, an account of Popski's Private Army (their official name, and the smallest unit in the British army). Shows what a difference attitude makes.
did you use a lawnmower for sound effect? Is so excellent
i just finish reading - history of world war 2 armed service memorial edition by francis t miller, it was put out by the national literary guild- toronto, in 1946, a great compilation book from independant reports from all over the world, it's worth a look, love the series, i'm a war history buff, ever since i found out my greatuncle was part of the CEF during ww1
That postie delivering his mail on his bicycle must have really got lost somewhere.
brilliant !
Damn...Donanno was really really unlucky..first casualty of the war for the Long Range Desert Group? Or did someone else die first?
As far as what the sources I used said, D'Ornano and sergeant Hewson were the first casualties of the LRDG. I'm not sure who died first in the battle at Murzuk.
However, the sources may not be 100% accurate so don't quote me on this :)
The word Quattara comes from the Latin, it means cattle or container.
My idea of being a soldier out on your own against the odds L.R .D.G. rule ok
My Grand father was with the LRDG on the Te Anau 2. Walter Rail tells a different pain and lose that the NewZealanders faced. Does no one speak of Barce?
Heres a pic of Te Anau 4 .lrdg.hegewisch.net/LRDG_images/T4_recon.jpg
www.lrdg.org/images/Unknown%20Trooper.jpg This a photo of an unknown Kiwi trooper with LRDG shoulder patch who saved popski driving a T patrol truck back from Barce.
The Rhodesians that were involved get no acknowledge ment ?
Freyberg = pronounced ‘Fry-berg’
R.I.P TIK 2016-2016
I've been ill. Plus it's Xmas season so it's busy at my work. If people could stop buying stuff, that would be great
TIK the illness I get. It seems that everyone is just dying, it's worse than the Black bloody Death. I thought it would be less crazy at work due to it being Christmas. That's what I'm finding anyway
What a movie....'Ice cold' with a bang.🌴💦
I gather that that colonel Leclerc must have been a rather competent commander if Bagnold was willing to put some of his own men under his command... I wonder if he will go on to make any contributions to the war?
I don't know if anyone's told you this in the intervening years but 'Frayberg' was pronounced 'Fryberg'.
I'm a little confused as to why they fired on that Italian group that came to meet them, perhaps there would have been an earlier surrender.
The Italians probably thought they were friendlies given how far they were from the frontlines.
Dug the lawn equipment sound effects.
An entirely different version of events than that of the NZ forces. Colonel Stirling ( Scots ) stole the LRDG and all its equipment and sent the NZ operatives back to their original units, he went on to totally botch his first mission with the ex NZ LRDG equipment resulting in many of his British men perishing ... Stirling was despised by the Kiwis. Still I am not surprised by your version of events given the bashing you gave Freyberg over the British debacle of Crete expecting him to hold Germany's best paratroopers with 4 tanks and just a few anti-aircraft guns.
is it me or do the gun sound effects he uses sound more like popcorn?
It sucks that we can't go deep into the desert in Hoi4
I think that's because it's a division-and-up game. I'd like to play a mod that allowed you to play at battalion level, and actually used a decent order of battle system (the one in HOI3 was better, but way too clumsy). They also need to actually factor in logistics too, as well as sort the resource system out to include food resources, and make the oil situation more desperate for Germany and Japan.
The French captain is hit, and seals the bullet wound by burning it with a cigarette. Hardcore.
First. Tried to trick me by not uploading for two weeks but it failed ha! But why would the garrison's commander have lunch so far from the site wouldn't it be much better for him to have lunch at the airfield due to the fact that all his chefs are there and there's actually some tables and chairs and stuff to have lunch
Damn! I thought I'd catch you out. You foiled me :P Good point, and I don't know the answer. The books I read don't say why either
TIK ha!!!!!!! Conspiracy theory 101 why was the Italian Commander at Murzuk not at Murzuk. Bribed by the British? God intervened? No one knows...
Sounds like he went for a picnic with his family , somewhere nice and that was a break from the monotonous garrison life at the fort and airfield - or he was dining with a friendly local chieftain and his family - just guesses . Thanks for posting
essentially France , had no reality to compete .regard WW2... against Germany and Italy !! whereas Polish ...wanted to do ..what ever
New Zealand's finest, still not worth what the bloody pom's did to us at ANZAC cove though...
In saying that I'm glad we are British and not American.
Unsure what you mean in the last bit but the Americans valued NZ soldiers greatly, far more than the British ever did ... The man that respected NZ more than any was Field Marshall Rommel.
Massu had an interesting and controversial career
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Massu