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It would be a glories world if we could stop calling national socialism fascist. They were certainly different ideologies, only really being similar through socialist principles
Italy is the ultimate proof that its soldiers can be brave, but if:
- their logistics are bad.
- your technology lags behind your enemies.
- your leaders do not know how to recognize your limitations in the war effort:
your nation will be an eternal joke in military historiography.
not to forget the industrial capability, if you look at graphs of ww2 countries industry compared its actually not even close for Italy
The tech wasnt even that bad. The problem was that the good stuff wasnt being produced and couldnt make any significant impact.
early war france is also a good example
@@beans00001no it’s not?
@@beans00001they just got surprised, and they didn’t use their tanks correctly.
Prayers for any Italian guy who had to crew the CV/L3
Edit: shall all those who fought the great comment war down below rest in peace
it was nicknamed "the coffin" not by chance...
Mine aswell 😢
Don't pray for nazis.
@@da_Sizzle They werent nazis, they were fascists or werent even fascists
L3 is epic
As a German Historian from Munich focusing mainly on Contemporary History especially here in Central Europe including Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Hungary etc.
For those into Italy in WW2, i just want to share an interesting Topic from the Italian Axis Forces in WW2 that deserves more Attention and is overlooked, most likely because "Italy had bad Military" is huge Trope i assume.
Read up on "Decima Flottiglia MAS" - basically Italian Axis Navy Seals on a Flotilla during WW2 - who have done some of the craziest but still succesful Special Ops during WW2.
I only came across recently myself via German Archives and the Fact that apparently those Italian Axis Navy Seals were asked by the Germans to train their Navy Special Forces.
So i went "Italians teaching Germans?! In WW2?!" Kinda shows you how powerful bad Stereotypes are, especially regarding the different Military & Branches in WW2.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
Lange Rede kurzer Sinn.
I know Italian fleet was big... But it ultimately failed in Battles around Malta and around Tarrent (Calabria).
@@alexzero3736 that's not true, it destroyed the English fleet unanimously and viciously. It was the king of the Mediterranean seas. Rising with the SPQR flag!
The captured elements taken prisoners by the Allies also collaborated with allied special forces towards the second half of the war. They operated in a unit named “Mariassalto”.
Thanks for saying the real facts.. i also see everytime people who say that italy betrayed germany but these people don't know that there were 2 italy in 1943.. Traitor Italy was the kingdom of Italy led by the cowardly king Victor Emmanuel 3 who as soon as he declared war on Germany ran away out of fear.
Instead no one knows the loyal italy ruled by Mussolini.. the RSI( Repubblica Sociale Italiana) who was loyal to germany till the end and also no one knows those 2 italy were in a bloodly civil war during 1943-1945...
The winners write history..
I still think it might be interesting to discuss WWII from the pretty obscure Latin American perspective. Other interesting perspectives on historical events might also be "Crusades from the Muslim perspective", "WWI from the Ottoman perspective" or "Cold War from the Soviet perspective".
The Latin American perspective is a great idea! Lets not forget that actually two nations from Latin América, Brasil and México, sent troops to battle; México sent an air squad to fight in the pacific along US Army, and Brasil sent three infantry divitions to fight along the allies in the landing in Italy. On the other hand Mexico provide an important support in matter of economy, comerce, work force to the United States... And also we have Argentina and the controversy about the relationship with Germany.
moon landing from the martians perspective @Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1
I support this! With how little Latin America is talked about in the context of ww2 I really want to know what they did during those times and why as well as what happened to the governments of those countries once the war was over.
The video would last roughly 15 minutes
Ww1 from the ottoman perspective would be cool, like the disastrous Gallipoli campaign or the Arab Revolt
I was glued to this video. It was so well done and so interesting. Incidentally, my dad was part of Patton's Seventh Army and was in the third wave in the invasion of Sicily on July 10, 1943.
thank you for the war crimes bro
@@thecrazydestructoniz bro he did nothing lol. Yall are nut jobs.
this video overlook all the British defeated in WW2. it is just inaccurate
A great book to read about the italian expeditionary force in Russia is "The sergeant in the snow" it talks about the experience of an Italian mountaneer during the retreat in the Don river encirclement.
Rigoni-Stern is a great writer....simple yet natural.
My great uncle fought during the soviet campaign and told me horro stories about the war, when they retreated and found their country in a state of civil war, he ordered his soldier to burn their uniforms, scatter and wished them good luck
Great book can you suggest others ?
Some People May find this Interesting: The Eighth Army's forces advanced north-northeast toward Venice and Trieste on the same day that the Italian Partisans' Committee of Liberation declared a general uprising and crossed the Po on the right flank. Divisions of the US Fifth Army advanced northward toward Austria and northwest toward Milan.
The German-Italian Army of Liguria was caught off guard by the Brazilian division's quick advance towards Turin, which led to its collapse.
🇧🇷🇧🇷 Brazil mentioned 🇧🇷🇧🇷
Tivemos que ir pra Itália ajudar a resolver essa baguncinha por causa de uns otários de camisas pretas e camisas marrons
Was the Brazilian Division part of the British eighth army or the US fifth Army ?
41:10 great little touch with Mussolini losing in chess with the fool’s mate: a 2-move checkmate that only someone who doesn’t know how to play chess end up in that position.
Noticed at 1:01:57 during the Polish's artillery attack, a certain Iranian bear is visible with the human soldiers
His name was wojtek the bear. A cub that a platoon found an befriended.
So awesome of AH to do a detailed research like that.
I absolutely love the meme references and comedy griffin puts in these vids. its such a shame YouYube hates on such golden content like this, but absolutely even allows elsagate to exist on the platform. i wish you only the best, Griffin.
Why does youtube hate this? And how? This channel has 2.3 million subs and an average of 400k views on videos. How is it hating? It's not as popular sure, it's ww2 videos. It's niche
Italy in real life: 🥲🥲🥲
Italy In hoi 4 Getting Dalmatia, Yugoslavia for free, defeating france with paratroopers and doing sealion + restoring roman empire in less than a year without any difficulty: 🗿🗿🗿
In HOI 4 you can do anything with paratroopers😂 . AI is just too stupid to resist.
Also France in HOI 4 is greatly underpowered, its starting industry is worse than Italian one.
So true tho 💀💀💀
@@alexzero3736they have to do that or else AI Germany will lose
@@socire72 improve AI? No... Impossible...
@@alexzero3736 Well, if they did that, new players would lose as well…
Fun fact Marinos Mitralexis during the invasion of Greece he managed to shoot down two Italian planes we he run out of ammunition, skillfully crashing into them, and then safely landing his own aircraft. Afterward, he reportedly arrested the Italian pilots using his service pistol. Mitralexis's bravery and resourcefulness became a symbol of Greek resistance during the war.
SOUNDS REAL
Sure . That makes totally sense .
@@Rodrick-rx4hd It is real you can verify this by your self do some research this isn't some war time propaganda or a legend
@@axelscharf2415 Do you research Greeks had limited aircrafts and ammunition and they used it carefully. there is a docent of similar incidents during the battle of Greece
@eminemeatingmmswithotherem5879 just because somebody in greece told a story that doesn't make it thru . The hole story is just unbelievable. The guy rammed two Italian planes , those two planes crashed somewhere. But the Greek pilot landed safely and arrested the Italian Pilots with his revolver . How did he get immediately to the crash sides . What kinda planes the Italians fly ? I'm sorry but most war stories like this just stink like nationalism . Look at us we are much better warriors etc . No offense my greek brother .
Danke!
Good video but noticed a mistake, Mussolini's puppet state was the "Italian Social Republic" not the "Italian Socialist Republic", they are very different things
The name is incorrect in the video, yes, but the Nazis had already proven to have a unique definition of the word "Socialist", to say the least; so the difference would be nonexistent in this situation.
@@natem1579 Everyone has the same definition of the word "Socialist". Its a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by a "workers government".(there is not a single word about equality or women rights there) Hitlers government fits the definition. Saying national socialists are not socialists is ignoring the definition of socialism and creating your own.
@@Paciat
Hitler is not and was not a “socialist” he abused the term to obtain a wider appeal. Hitler is a Nazi, nothing more and nothing less. I’d recommend watching Three Arrows or a video that delves into Nazi politics and beliefs.
@@Paciat I like your clearity in assessment. Thank you
@@Paciat National socialist economics did not distribute the means of production to the workers, but rather took advantage of the previous economic system. Yes, they engaged in welfare, but workers had no representation, unions nationalized and leaders state appointed, and the existing structures of most industries remained unchanged. Those that were appropriated by the government were for the war effort, but much of the leadership remained in place.
My grandmother was living in Northern Italy during WW2 and tells the story of her older brothers, cousins, and uncles that would hide in the mountains and shoot down at Natzi soldiers after school.
I famosi parmigiani
😃 what a great people
Almost 200k views as of now and only 8k likes…. You guys deserve so much more credit than given, thank you for the passion you and your team put into these videos!
Hahaha the use of the Lion King reference (A Disney cartoon) with the the ‘you know who’ is hilarious on so many layers
I mean, the hyenas did Goose step march during the song “Be Prepared”
This is the guide to how to do a full historical Italy in hoi4
XD
Aka, the clown car of western Europe 😂
Was doing a Germany Ironman game and my dumbass thought initiating an afrika campaign would be a good idea. Lost nearly 1.5 space marine armies. Due to Italy not garrisoning the ports behind the rapid pushes we were making. I managed to pull out half an army back to Sicily but it was an utter failure. Italy like real life also got beat up my Greece so I helped them took Crete thought the continent was secured so I go to fight the USSR. And we push the Russians to Moscow then the invasion of early DDay happens forcing myself to divert forces both to the Gustav line and both the west wall and the Rhine river doing minimal fighting in France. I don't know if it's gonna be possible to comeback at this point. I have only 1.6mil men in the field. 0 reserve manpower and the game won't let me go past extensive conscription
Reminder that the BEF(Brazilian Expeditionary Force) fought extremely well at mount casino in montanous snow terrain depiste brazilians not being used to low temperatures in general. We also had a reputation of being generous and sharing most of our food with italian civilians. And, we also captured an entire german divison at the end of the campaign!
Brazil was the only Latin American country to provide direct ground troops.
Mexicos constitution forbids deployment of combat units outside Mexican territory, so we had to conform to send a lot of volunteers to the US and Having the Mexican expeditionary Airforce operate under the greater US command structure.
@@tetraxis3011 Based Mexicans and Brazilians.
@@LiamMoore-i7h From Mexico, Thanks man.
Especially at Manila and lizon
"we"
So you were a part of this force? Sorry, i know its patriotism, but it's still funny how people talk with the word "we" when they actually mean "our ancestors".
"We" did absolutely nothing in WW2, unless ofc you really are some 90+ years old veteran.
Very small detail: at minute 14 it’s cassa DA morto, non DI morto. So it is basically coffin. I love how you use Italian in the video THANK YOU very much!
Thank you SO MUCH FOR THIS
I've been waiting for this for so long!!!!
There aren't many videos covering Italy in WW2 although it was a major player
can't even understand Italian national identity
@@FlagAnthem you can't because it's feeble and not everyone has it lol
Peccato sia pieno di errori e la solita narrativa fuorviante tipica di questo e di altri canali. Qualche esempio a caso dai primi minuti: la Germania che manda armi all'Italia invece che all'Etiopia, la guerra d'Etiopia che sembra un'epopea di anni risolta solo col gas (invece durò 7 mesi e il gas fu poco e non risolutivo) , e i numeri lievitati di produzione di aerei/carri dell'Italia comparati all'Asse (magari avessimo prodotto il 25% del totale, sai che rasponi si sarebbero fatti gli alti comandi).
Sarebbe bello veder meno gente leccare il c*lo a questi canali che fanno ricerca con sciatteria.
@@alessandroiorio6248 non sono perfetti, ma se si viene con l'idea che siano divinità scese in terra... ovviamente loro hanno la colpa per la disinformazione
@@leosalemii Lungi da me pensare agli youtuber come divinità. La perfezione non esiste ma la ricerca della perfezione dovrebbe essere al primo posto nel creare video educativi se sei un canale con 2 milioni e rotti di iscritti i cui video hanno molto spesso milioni di visualizzazioni; hai il dovere morale verso chi ti ascolta e la comunità di ridurre la disinformazione, perché si sa benissimo come a volte certi miti e falsità diventino storia
Just for a bit more info, at the peak of the b0mb!ngs, Malta was the most bombed place on earth despite being smaller then NYC, Il Duce overestimated Malta's defensive capabilities which was one of the reasons a land invasion never took place. The local population went through alot but thanks to our determination and Italy's faliure to stop operation pedestal (which brought crucial supplies to Malta) the islands never surrendered.
Malta also played a crucial role in operation Husky as many British, American and allied troops stopped in Malta in preparation of the invasion.
Thank you Armchair historian for featuring Malta although not too deeply (understandable in the greater context), i feel we have a very underrated history.
Love the long format youtube vids you all do.
Think we might see WWII from the Canadian perspective sometime? I know we had D-Day from the Canadian POV, but I’d like to see what the rest of the war was like from their perspective
25:00 the transition from the ww2 greek soldier to an ancient greek soldier (spartan I assume) was so cool
"War is to man what maternity is to a woman. From philosophical and doctrinal viewpoint, I do not believe in perpetual peace." -- Benito Mussolini
Based.
He is right, perpetual peace is completely impossible due to human nature as a whole
@@packerman7410
Human nature is a stupid argument, Human greed and hate is the reason. Only the ones in power are trying to convince you that the enemy will never cooperate
I'm surprised there wasn't any mention of the mafia's involvement. Italian historians cite that Italy never really had full logistical control over Sicily due to all the local Dons in the region requiring officers and politicians to "wet their beaks"
There was also the general resentment of authority of Italy in general. It was said that Mussolini ordered that no wall in Sicily could be higher than the waist given how frequent men with luparas (short barreled hunting shotguns) would hide behind them and blast Italian troops.
Love these videos in the eyes of other countries. Hope you do it for every major country in WW2 🙌
Hello, loved the video 😊 just a detail but “cassa di morto”, while literal translation means dead men box in Italian it’s a colloquial way to say “coffin”
One criminally under-reported aspect of the Italian war effort was the courage and self-sacrifice of the merchant marine. Despite losing 25% of its entire merchant fleet at the outset of the war (interned or confiscated because Mussolini neglected to call home the ships before the start of of the war), Italy's brave civilian sailors managed to keep the Axis forces in North Africa at least marginally supplied up through March 1943 despite horrendous losses. At that point, Italy had only 26 large merchant ships left, including only three oil tankers
thank you for the video, loved all the effort on trying to use some italian words to further immerse the viewer
Thank you for another excellent long form documentary. I love learning more about history through these. For the last several years, this channel and others have taught me a ton.
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
That was an amazing experience! Your contest is some of the best available.
3:37 commercial skip
Great episode! Your team put in a lot of work on this one.
I wonder how WW2 would've been different if Italy stayed neutral like Spain? With a neutral Italy would the Western allies have been able to launch a massive offensive from the Balkans into Eastern Europe and not let the Soviets to occupy Eastern European countries?
It was in North Africa that the allies especially the U.S. learned to fight a modern war and what commanders were capable of fighting that kind of war, Without that experience any invasion of Europe probably is a disaster
Even if Italy stays neutral, Mussolini would do his thing in the Balkans like invading Albania, putting pressure on Yugoslavia and Greece... The guy was ambitious.
@@alexzero3736in that case, I wonder if Italy would be invaded by the Germans at some point for getting in the way of their interests
@@DMS-pq8 Considering the effects the Stalin's purges had on the Red Army I think the Western allies would've been as successful if not more successful than the Soviets.
@@alexzero3736 In real history Mussolini got away with invading Albania without getting into a war with the major powers but if he really wanted to avoid conflict with Britain and it's allies I doubt he would risk invading Yugoslavia or Greece given how the Western allies reacted to the German invasion of Poland. The most Mussolini probably would've done is to send volunteer army to fight against the Soviet Union similarly to what Franco's Spain did.
the best history videos, as always, greatly appreciated
Damn my great great grandpa was in Operation Barbarossa, spent from 1941 to 1946, one year after the war had ended, as a P.O.W. In Siberia. My great great uncle was taken prisoner at El Alamein and my grandma’s house was bombed by the R.A.F. However she grew up to be a huge Britain fan, when I graduated uni in London, I brought my grandma to see Buckingham Palace, she was “These should have been our friends”. She even crossed herself (like in Church) in front of the Queen Guards and said in Italian “I forgive you for the house”. She passed last year. Maybe one day humans will stop war…but seeing the current events, not likely
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage video about Mossolini ambitious for larger Italian empire
Great content once again, a pretty good summary I think!
Just throwing out a 'thanks for your hard work Griff'. And I hope YT monetization gets friendlier in the future.
If I had a penny for every time Italy succeeded to reform the Roman Empire after it’s collapse. I’ll be broke
They only tried… twice? Italy has only existed since the 1860’s.
@@somehistorynerdI think he’s talking about all the previous states before Italy like the Papal States for example
Yeah you be broke too
If they succeeded you would still be broke, but less broke
your already broke tho
You said that Germany supported the Italians with weapons, but in reality it was Ethiopia they gave guns to in order to weaken Italy as they were seen as rivals in the mid-early 30s
We need a ww1 from the Italian perspective video.
There already is one
watch "Uomini Contro"
@@scotto2291 no. There isn't.
@@FlagAnthem alright!
@@andrewwilson6726 ruclips.net/video/MSo9iBYnaEI/видео.htmlsi=uMUq8X7lhN0JLcJN It's not explicitly titled WW1 from Italy's perspective but that's what it is.
0:39 Did he really say "Parisian Gulf"? 😀
This vid is super well made. As an Italian myself it’s quite fascinating to see some similarities from the past still present today. Saddens me though each time I come visit my family here how the situation worsens in Italy. No work, crummy economy and not enough repopulation. I’d live here if it wasn’t so hard to make a living.
“Deeply unpopular” Metaxas regime? I literally cannot remember (or see-through the videos) any other Greek Prime Minister walking in the streets without armed security.
YEEEEESSSS!
Sorry, I get way too excited whenever you upload a long ww2 video, especially the perspective serie lol.
Excellent work.
gotta like all ur vids btw good luck in your new journey!
Sicilian here:
- while the literal translation is correct, "cassa da morto" (not "di morto") is just slang for "coffin"
- it's pronounced "Catània"
- it's pronounced "òrdine"
- it's pronounced "Cassìbile"
- the Carabinieri were and still are a gendarmerie, not just a police force
Other than that, thank you for doing your best not to slaughter Italian pronunciation
My grandfather fought at Monte Cassino while my grandmom was in NY giving birth to my dad. 80 years ago this month.
Italy was like a game released early.
With the Itallians surrendering in droves, there was a famous Bluey and Curley cartoon where Bluey and Curley were guarding rows and rows of Italian prisoners as far as the eye can see and the caption was something like this: “Luigi, if you don’t stop dragging my rifle in the sand, I won’t let you carry it”.
My father knew someone who was taking a leak when two Italian soldiers showed up and his rifle was metres away, but the Italians were surrendering.
Fantasy Sci-Fi whino.
Isolationism is what really destroyed italy: i've read many books with interviews of italian soldiers and their complaints always started with basic things like boots because due to autarchy they had to use bad materials to craft them. It is a really interesting example of economic sanctions succeding in crippling a nation war effort.
Was just binging your videos and just so happened that you released a new video today, what luck!
it is really odd that you covered the invasion of Italy from the allied perspective considering the whole point of the video was that it would be from the Italian perspective...
I agree i was hoping for him to explain the invasion from the italian perspective
@@soppierfob3720 i know subtitles with automated translations are crap, but this documentary (focused on the social republic) is one of the best ever made from italian perspective, i think its absolutely worthy to see, also for its 70's vibes: ruclips.net/video/XoeCZkF4HFw/видео.html
The Italians weren’t expecting to go on the offensive especially out of Europe and anyways they were poorly equipped for such a aggressive goal that Mussolini pictured during ww1 they were on the defensive and many people thought the same thing will happen again and guess what they failed to realize that this wasn’t a war of attrition and bleeding your enemy dry oh no it was lightning warfare although I’m guessing I might be wrong cause I know someone going to be pointing something out
To clarify Italy was almost always in the offensive (13 major offensive battles against 3 Austro-Hungarian/German ones) in WWI. For I agree woth you yes, Italian military was still convinced on a trench warfare ww2 (similarly as Poland, France and Great Britain too in 1939) but failed to evolve its strategy due of what we have seen in this video
Italy was not the "soft underbelly of Europe" as Churchill described it as. Infact, the Italian Social Republic with help from the Germans lasted up until the fall of Germany, retaining land from Bologna and up.
then why Italy surrendered in 43?
Italy's war wasn’t over with the surrender. After that Italy was thrown into a civil war with the Royal government against the German-backed Italian Social Republic under Mussolini and that lasted until 1945.@@FlagAnthem
Because the king thought it best to just lay down arms in 1943 - while mussolini fled north and got arrested. the fascists went on fighting vs the allies and they kept being a thorn in their side until war's end @FlagAnthem
@@leosalemiiand WHAT make him think so?
@@samuelstephen8147 I know.
Just focus more on the "surrendered" part
This video was great, can you make one from New Zealand's/Australia's perspective?
The thought of mussolini and churchill play battleship just cracks me up 😂
People who are making the same jokes about Italy we have been hearing for years now in the comments, probably will never be mature enough to even understand the complexity of the Italian situation prior and during ww2. They probably didn't even watch the whole video. Aside from that, props to the armchairhistorian, it was a very all-round and insightful video
56:00 love the Austin Powers reference!
My grandfather served in the Italian army forces he started in East Africa and then transferred to Libya in 1943 he was captured by the British after the fall of fascism he returned home
my great uncle was in the Italian army during World War II.
he participated in the Barbarossa operation and was sent to support the German allies together with the Romanian and Finnish soldiers during the invasion of the Soviet Union. He miraculously managed to survive and said that he had to return to his home in Sicily mainly on foot as the vehicles were either destroyed or out of gas.
he returned to Sicily and eventually died in 1943 during the invasion of Sicily.. he died defending his homeland from the American enemy...
@@Enrico_374 my grandfather is also from Sicily he was born in Modica what part of Sicily is your uncle from?
@@sergiopiparo4084 He was from Partinico( province of Palermo)
My grandfather fought in north Africa,Italy and in north west Europe. He was a British paratrooper.
My grandmother was obviously not fighting but she was a child living in Calabria. All she remembers is seeing Allied planes flying over her paese
I wasn't waiting this video, but I needed it so much
I'm so tired of people calling italian Fascism and german National Socialism both Fascist.
They're not.
Fascism and Nazism both developed roughly around the same time, only slightly influencing each other at various times.
The DAP became a party in 1919, while Fascism was still just a movement in italy. When it became the NSDAP with A.H. in 1920, Fascism was still only a movement in italy. The PNF only became a party in 1921, when the NSDAP was already long established.
The Nazis did take some inspiration from the Fascists durning their early years, mainly in appearance, not so much in ideology.
During the late 30s, italian Fascism did adopt some anti-semitism from Nazism, although it was only religious, not racial.
The main difference between the two is that Fascism believes in national identity, while Nazism believes in race.
Race, if it matters at all, is just of secondary importance for Fascism. What matters most is national identity, unlike Nazism, where race is the only measurement.
Other differences include:
- Nazism believes in the aryan race, Fascism does not
- Nazism inherently believes in racial anti-semitism, Fascism does not. If it's anti-semitic, it's for religious or cultural reasons
- Nazism believes in social-darwinism, Fascism does not
- Nazism believes in corporate-socialism, Fascism believes in a mix of corporatism and syndicalism, with a tendency to one or the other depending on what kind of Fascism we're talking about
A more proper category to put these two in would be Third-Positionism, or National Collectivism.
3 of your differences are still based around the same "Germans believed in superiority of race, Italians in superiority of culture", so it counts as one and about economics they had their differences, but not really that big and it seems quite weird to call nazi Germany corporate-socialists.
same sh1t
different assh0le
@@tefky7964 They‘re similar, but neither the same nor a modified version of the other. They‘re two different third-positionist/ national collectivist ideologies.
If we go by the "oh they‘re similar enough" path, why do we call them both Fascism instead of Nazism, since Nazism manifested as a proper ideology before Fascism did? Roughly about a year.
Why do we use Fascism as the parent word for Italian fascism and German national socialism? It makes no sense.
What makes sense is to call them third-positionist/ national collectivist, since they both believe revolutionary nationalism, with a collectivist economy.
Also about that corporate-socialism, I mean corporate not as in big business, but as in cooperation between classes.
@@KingJonasHD We call them both fascist, because it is quite vaguely defined and as such both regimes fulfil it, while nazism is more specific.
Also I know what is corporatism, which doesn´t change that call nazis corporate-socialists is really weird.
@@tefky7964 it's not vaguely defined, Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini defined it.
What a lot of historians did was to dump everything that resembles Fascism in the Fascist category and yes, then you don't have a clear definition anymore. If everything right-wing authoritarian is Fascist, nothing is.
Really good documentary,should’ve mentioned the axis counterattack at gela though
1:01:57 Wojtek the bear ❤️
Italy had a monarchy??? I always learn something new from your videos. :) Really hope RUclips doesn’t cancel you.
1:56 what is the source for this? Iirc the Germans sent the Ethiopians planes and munitions since at the time Italy was against the Anchluss and was a pressure point in the Stressa Front so Germany wanted to prolong the war as long as possible.
Nicolle doesn't say anything about arms shipments to Italy though it does mention anti tank gun sales by Germany to Ethiopia and a German equipped Ethiopian division.
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Great documentary
0:11 HELL NO! You could not get it more wrong!
Italy was a nation BEFORE unification and not the other way around. The Risorgimento was a fresh memory and the country identity got out from WW1 stronger than before.
people were MAD for failing to unite with the communities on the other side of Adriatic (and Tunisia), the fascism movement could not have gained consent without the "mutilated victory" slogan.
The Royal family was LOVED, even more at the south (and this was confirmed at 1946 referendum).
Campanilism was (and still) is strong, but nobody would have argued their italianess, not even the Sardinians (only the slovens and south tyroleans, and they SUFFERED under Mussolini) Regionalist movements are way more recent than you may think
Finally there was a cult of Rome rooted to Italian culture (and keep in mind that mass scolarization was kicking in) that is unimaginable today, "Rome sucks" is a 1990s slogan who would have not even be conceivable in the 30s. If you wanted to be subversive you had to draw a sickle and hammer (and expect a visit by the blackshirts).
Dude, 10s in the video -and you clearly failed to go beyond stereotypes and prejudices- 😅
PS: on a fresher thought, this is one hard to die misconceptions italians themselves fall for, yet I deeply suggest taking some time to understand Italian Unification (Lucy Riall may be a start) beyond the ready to consume oversimplification stuff you get around. Again, fascism could have not arisen without the fertile soil of shared national frustration.
found the biassed italian capper
@@VladRadu-tq1pg
dì nìn
Learn history from books, not memes
Eisenhower casually playing hoi4 scares me
I wonder why so few WW2 games represent Italy.
Because it's much more easy to simply include the most famous nations and battles, then actually spending money and do serious research on the matter
@@laserrv5978 I guess, but I feel like that could actually be a selling point now since so few go out of their way to include them
My grandfather was part of the U.S forces in Operation Husky.
Rest in peace Ben
Germany also aided ethopia surprisingly in the war against Italy
source?
@@FlagAnthemBro couldn't just look it up himself.
Nicely done long video
The RSI (Italian social republic) was not a puppet state: 1- it minted money and laws 2- Rsi was recognized by its allies 3- it possessed an army of 500,000 men (one can well understand that he was a pillar of the defense of the peninsula in a direct way, strange that the channel made so little mention of the Italians who did not surrender). The army was mostly employed in anti-aircraft defense (40,000 men in the Italian anti-aircraft and 60,000 men in the Flak in Germany). anti-aircraft units which were nevertheless essential for the defense of northern Italy: in the battle of the Brenner Pass the Americans lost more than 50 planes shot down. RSI fighters fought well: 230 allied aircraft were shot down in 17 months with 100 casualties. You could also mention more of the victorious Italian-German counterattack at the end of December 1944. In addition to the fact that you could also mention the tough and victorious second battle of the Western Alps. The defense of the eastern front against the Yugoslav army was also important in which the Italians won several battles (Tarnova, Val Baccia, San Gabriele, Tolmino) and lost as many (Camina, Auzza, Opicina, Trieste). Among other things, you didn't mark the Italian departments of the RSI (Italian division, Monterosa, San Marco, Littorio, Decima Mas, Etna) on the map of the Gothic line. In addition to the fact that the Italian resistance (with the exception of the King's army) did not pose great difficulties for the axis troops: the partisans themselves, divided into political and ideological factions, betrayed each other on several occasions and in many cases even clashed each other.
Nah, they were a puppet state.
Even if it fought well it doesn’t mean it’s not a puppet. It had to follow everything the Germans said and Was set up by the Germans for Mussolini
"I am reduced at Hitler's Quisling" Benito Mussolini
even HE knew who was really in charge
@@Siphonicsea36 this is true but the definition of puppet state is wrong (at most it can be called an ally of Nazi Germany and Japan). In fact, prisoners from unrecognized statelets are not covered by the Geneva Convention, while in the case of the RSI all Italian prisoners were treated by the Allied forces according to the laws of war (i.e. as prisoners).
@@dabomb199715what an argument! He cited facts for which the RSI cannot be called a puppet state, showing examples, but you don't. Btw the RSI also had its own constitution. The Italians of that army often prevented the Germans from attacking the population following partisan attacks. Many times the friction with the Germans was so great that it even led to firefights. Another example was when the Luftwaffe wanted to incorporate RSI pilots into a foreign legion, the latter burned their BF 109s as a protest (40 planes) so as not to be under the orders of a swastika. After this event the RSI air force became autonomous.
random connection: growing up on long island in ny, the ruins of king zog's estate from when he was in exile were about 30-45 mins away
Mein fuhrer, the Italians have joined the war!
Ah well, send one division to defeat them.
No mein fuhrer, they have joined our side in the war.
Damn, send ten divisions to help them out then!
If Italy was on the side of Britain the war would be over in early-mid 1944,free passage in the med for all commonwealth troops and material,a very big and very easy to defend staging point to liberate europe,the US would be able to bomb germany and even escort the bombers all the way thanks to the italian airports,the germans couldn't have used they're superior tank forces in mountains,you literally give germany another front where they can't win,and to the Allies a giant base from where you can launch air attack on german industrial bases,and also a totally free route in the med,the german would also have to fight a full commited british navy in the atlantic and maybe even some refitted italian ships with radar,having italy as an enemy would have been the biggest loss for germany.
You can't compare the little afrika korps,with what the british and americans could have thrown in Italy,all the north african troops,all the australians,kiwi's,french and more would be fighting in the italian alps together with the italians,and in a very easy to supply front,thanks to the total controll of the med and a good part of the atlantic,thanks to the Royal Navy almost only focusing on it
@peterbrown6494 without Italies failed invasion of Greece operation Barbarossa would have started 2 month earlier.
@@axelscharf2415 2 months are nothing,compared to totally free supplies,and mobilization of the british empire,only vs Germany
Excellent video thanks
Sorry but please check your facts. Mussolini did not dislike the Jews. In fact some members of his party where Jewish.
yes
yes he did
he personally overseed the creation of "In defence of Race" paper.
not convinced? ask Liliana Segre
@@FlagAnthemMussolini’s mistress was Jewish
@@stevenquestionseverything4445so?
@@FlagAnthemTen thousand jews were in the fascist party, and the party was founded by Angelo Olivetti who was jewish, Mussolini also had a jewish mistress. He was antisemitic near the end of his life though, yes.
Outstanding as usual. Thumbs up
I show no sympathy for Benito Mussolini. And I also shed no tears for him at all!
Mussolini is best milanese salami
@@FlagAnthem????
@@StephenLukegoogle "piazzale loreto"
@@FlagAnthem I heard about that before. It's a major City Square in Milan, Italy.
@@HunterCBS That may be so, but have you heard about his childhood?
The majority of the Italian merchant fleet was overseas. It could have been recalled in time to be of use, but it wasn't. It was interred or confiscated.
How do you know if a tank is Italian?
It’s got one forward gear and five reverse gears.
I thought that was french tanks?
how do you know if a user is 'murican?
he speaks with memes
Nice try but we all know that his meme was made for France
You rock bro !
Turkish perspective seems interesting if you guys ever think about making another video like this
So Turkish perspective of committing genocide? Lol
@@dabomb199715 no Turkish perspective of world war 2
They where not involved in WW2@@Turklander24
@@kennethadler7380 so was Switzerland but they got a video
Hey Griffin! Been watching ya for years! You should do a video over cover-ups the American government such as the USS Liberty Incident! Others wrapped in there with it.
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Buen video tambien quiero ver la ww2 from the britsh perspective
despite their bad military ,the italians were good at switching sides so quick.
Romanians
italy didn’t switch any side; the fascist government remained loyal to nazi germany up until the duce’s death; what people refer is the split of 1943 when the grand council of fascism surrendered to the Allies and established a transitional government in italy; if germany didn’t have forces already in the country (and if mussolini didn’t get rescued on the Gran Sasso raid) it would be considered a betrayal, but since the man himself remained in “”power”” (german puppet after 1943) the government was loyal
bruh
@TheArmchairHistorian 56:46 to 57:40
Could you tell me what the name of this soundtrack is?? Or if there is anywhere I can listen to this?? Cause it’s just . . . So beautiful to listen to, I just want to loop it so much 😅😌
Much appreciated, and great content. Have a good day!!
@TheArmchairHistorian With all due respect, although this is a neat video, it has some massive inaccuracies in it that should probably be corrected:
1. Italy and Germany were not all natural allies but enemies in the early 30’s as they almost went to war after Germany got the Austrian NAZI party to assassinate the fascist leader of Austria, this was in 1934 I believe and Italy would mobilize against Germany as a result causing Hitler to back down. It was only when Germany began courting the Italians in the late 30’s that they became somewhat friendly (even then they still hated eachother).
2. (This is probably the most important as it’s outright false) but Germany did NOT give equipment to the Italians in the Ethiopian campaign. They did the opposite. They gave equipment to the Ethiopians to fight the Italians so that the Italian army would be stuck in Ethiopia and unable to stop the Anschluss.
3. The NAZIs were not at all fascist and did not refer to their political party as fascist, in fact, Hitler was a critic of Mussolini’s fascism. There are many differences such as how the Nazis are race socialists who focus on race and the fascists care about nationality (there were many Jews in the Italian fascist party, as the fascist party did not care about that). I’d recommend TIK’s videos on the differences as they are very interesting. These ideologies were blurred by marxists to try and paint the national socialists as being opposites of them despite them being almost identical.
Before someone tries calling me a fascist or something I think all of those aforementioned ideologies are stupid and disgusting.
I didn't expect this video
Great report. The only thing is your view on Germany being fascist is wrong. Hitler never followed the teachings of Giovanni Gentile. Giovanni Gentile was/is the founder of fascism. Hitler was a socialist. Please watch the video by TIK for further information on this topic.
1) Hitler was EVERYTHING but a socialist
2) the big capitalists were not touched, they collaborated with the party
3) TIK is garbage
National socialist, not socialist
@@Denkmaldrubernacht Correct, national socialist is not fascist. Let's continue, National Socialist Workers Party.... In short N.A.Z.I.
Edit. The National Socialist Workers Party is socialism.
Georges Valois was the founder of fascism, not Gentile. Read the birth of fascist ideology by Zeev Sternhell.
101:57. Okay I know my history but to my knowledge, I believe that’s a bear behind a soldier. That must be Wojtek from the Polish 22nd Artillery Supply Company. He carried crates of ammunition meant for four soldiers at the Battle of Monte Cassino.
If I’m correct, that’s a very cool hidden detail