Correct Positioning of Red Dot Sights
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I put mine underneath the hand guard so it safe from the rain😁
Forvitnir great idea! lol
You must be in the National Guard
@@AhHereWeGo nah the nfac🤣🤣
not everyone sights through their butt like you,
LOL
Army training, sir.
The best placement for a red dot is whatever works best for you.
Absolutely!
Correct
You're right, but placing the optic as far forward on the upper receiver has the most benefits in term of eye relief and peripheral vision.
Wrong.
What about field of view? Putting a red dot near the charging handle vs the front of the receiver is night and day
If you're putting rounds on target, it's in the right position.
Factz
@@UHK-Reaper try it, but don't act like you HAVE to like it. Variety can be 🙂
but if you dont try it and always assume center or back is right...how would you ever know?
@@G2niverse mine is forward and absolute co witness
Put the optic where it is most comfortable for you to use and have a clear sight picture.
Best and only good answer right here
Mount it wherever it works best for you.
Agreed.
@@G2niverse Then why does your title picture say that the optic is in the wrong position? It’s obvious why. This is clickbait bullshit.
10 minutes of jibberish to say, “do what works best for you”. Not like there’s not enough videos on where or how to mount your optic.
@phil_weed and yet here you are watching this one...I whole heartedly thank you for spending the time out of your busy day to watch this video. I SINCERELY apologize, from the deepest parts of my heart that you feel this was an ill intended or "clickbait" video. I hope and pray that you will find the kindness and love in your hear to forgive me for all of my transgressions.
True
Right
Rule of thumb: closer to you makes it easier to acquire red dot, but you pay by losing peripheral vision. Closer also makes it easier on your brain to superimpose the red dot on your plane of vision with both eyes open. Some people are faster at acquiring target from ready positions faster with the optic closer to your eyes. Some people feel too constrained when losing peripheral vision. It’s what YOU feel is better for you, there is no wrong or right with parallax based optics.
ArchaicSEAL exactly correct
This is the only answer.
Great Answer!
@@shadybum2154 yep
I was an 11b and in a sniper section for 4 years. Was always taught by some of the best shooters in the world to put that red dot as far forward as we could on our M4s. It greatly helped my accuracy and target acquisition. I also shoot within 150m with both eyes open, anything further out I close my non-dom eye.
Eleven bravo in the house!
@@G2niverse alright I believe you now.
I was 11 B10 in the 70’s . Didn’t know what a red dot was until a hunting buddy bought one around 1985. 😂
Put it wherever it's comfortable for you. There is no right or wrong way. If it works for you, that's the way it should be.
Counterpoint: it is best to put it as close up as you can get it. My reasoning is that if you are shooting with both eyes open, you already have your other eye to see whats going on in your periphery. Putting the optic further down just decreases the field of view around the target through your optic, and clutter the immediate point of focus with the frame.. Additionally, you have to take into account that while the edges of your optic block out less of your peripheral vision by putting it further, it also has the effect of blocking out more area immediately surrounding the target. So by putting your optic closer, you can get a cleaner, unobstructed view of your target.
Ultimately, I think this also depends on your use case. At shorter ranges, your method might work better because targets are large enough to where having the frame in the picture does not matter, but for longer ranges it might be better to have it closer because the whole scene fits in your optic and you can get a better picture with it up close and no frame obscuring anything.
Gabriel Reed You make a great point!
Think about the fact that the optic, itself, blocks the "other" eye.. Moving it forward give you a seeming unlimited field of view and the opportunity to best apply binocular vision. "As all Gunsite grads know, you track with your left and shoot with your right. This does not come naturally, but it can be learned rather quickly once its principles are understood." - Col Jeff Cooper
I use the optic right above my Handguard. It helps acquiring the sight on my target much easier/faster. Mostly in CQ situations, btw.
There are two types of people commenting on this video. Those who are going to understand where the optic needs to be, and those who are going to put it wherever the fuck they want to.
And those that put people in categories and those that don't, making at least four types.
It’s a personal thing I’d say it’s all about eye relief and what suits the shooter
Agree
Eye relief isn't a problem with a red dot, only a magnified optic. If you're running a red dot, the only correct position is where he explained it.
Thank you...seriously.
Eye relief doesnt matter on a red dot
"Gaming" that says it all. No clue about dots eh? What a maroon. :(
I mount mine on my left shoulder - gives me that alien Predator look.
This is great! 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Good idea, I will try that.
You can put it where ever you like it. It's personal preference.
The correct position it the one that is comfortable for you
This is the best answer sorry but people mount them as far as the front sight. I think it just depends on preference. Some like to say the handguard won’t be true but, what about those who use irons and the front sight?
@@Solidous281r6 you make no sense. The front sight isn’t on the hand guard. And if it is than it’s a “backup” sight for a reason,, Maybe not to concerned about 100% accuracy at that point…. Just don’t buy cheap shit and you will Be alright
True, but you gotta try them all
Amen on no optics on thd handguard. I only have room there for a sling mount, flashlight, laser, bipod, multitool, toaster oven, solar panels, and paper towel dispenser.
lol
I was in gun sporting goods 30 yrs. Mount forward away due to dominant eye will pick up dot and you have better vision of surrounding area with both eyes.
Once you add iron sights, and a magnifier, you won’t have a choice...
ErrorOptik You make a great point!
1000% true
That is correct
Facts
I love when people arbitrarily decide the "best" way to do something without entertaining any of the advantages of doing it other ways.
Optics foward of upper receiver = decent field of view but slow acquisition of red dot, poor focus on dot, and less precise shot placement. Not as good for using BUIS through optic.
Optic rearward on upper receiver = poorest field of view, fastest red dot acquisition, best view of BUIS, greatest precision.
Optic over barrel = absolute best field of view, slowest red dot acquisition, poor precision (you'd use irons for tough shots in this config), theoretical chance loss of zero / HG can shift (unlikely unless you are rocking Chinese handguards or didn't tighten screws), can block BUIS depending on setup.
Correct "best" = it depends. A Ford F350 is a bad choice for a commuter car and a Honda Civic is horrible for pulling horse trailers. There is no "best" without a defined goal.
but if you dont try it and always assume center or back is right...how would you ever know?
The proper place is what works best for the shooter looking through it.
@G2niverse Hey, I'm a U.S. Army veteran here. You're not wrong on having more FOV overall but doing so means you lose something. That something is, when you are doing CQB and you are holding a corner. When you look at the red dot sight and you try to angle the gun in any direction that dot will move. Ex. You can only move so far left before you can't see the dot anymore. Of course when looking down the sight there is an imaginary triangle. You get more red dot view when you are at the FOV for the red dot at the top of the triangle which is if the red dot is closer to your eye. When you move the red dot foward then the window that you can see the red dot also shrinks and that means you can't angle your weapon as much and still see the red dot at the same time. So imagine if you were at that corner and you want an angled shot on your target and you wanna see the red dot on them. Do you wanna move your head or your weapon to get that angle?
Honestly, there is no right or wrong spot to mount your red dot on the rail. It’s a matter of personal preference and comfortability
Jim Wolabaugh agreed 100%, just dont feel the need to have it in the "middle" if it doesnt fit you
If it works well for the individual shooter, it's fucking correct.
but if you dont try it and always assume center or back is right...how would you ever know?
Put it anywere you want is the right place
Right? No parallax and infinite eye relief...put it anywhere
Larry Vickers, a U.S. Army combat veteran, centers his over the ejection port. I know a Danish veteran of the Balkans’ War (me) who mounts it wherever it works best based on the stocks length of pull as well as taking into consideration if the end-user wears body armor. I’m 6’8” and my rifle/SBR/whatever isn’t going to be setup the same as somebody’s who is 5’4”. It’s not rare to find me shooting an SBR with an A2 stock equipped with a Laws Tactical folder in an effort to maximize my rifle or SBR’s length of pull.
Ultimately it comes down to personal preference 😊
Put your red dot where every you want it, and I'll put mine where ever I want it.
With it further back, you may have less peripheral but you also have MORE or a bigger field of view "through the sight itself." Whereas with it all the forward, you have a wider peripheral field of view. But a smaller or tighter field of sight through the optic itself..
Exactly.. and this means the red dot will be harder to find within the sight because more of the sight itself is obscured (due to the angles of the red dot I think). I usually would rather have a balance and put it near the middle. I don’t have the opportunity to shoot and train at work everyday so finding the dot is important to me.
The proper position is whatever works for you.
As long as it’s on the receiver and not the rail you’re fine. It doesn’t matter where you put it in the flattop receiver it’s 100% personal preference. ☝️
Yeah, it really just needs to go where it fits you personally but yeah has to be on the receiver.
Unpopular (but correct) opinion, the 'red dot "must" be on receiver' line is simply nonsense and continues to be perpetuated because people love to regurgitate $#it they hear from their mancrush YT or IG influencer without consideration so they sound knowledgeable. Unless your dot and rail are wi$#.com tier and attached with Bazooka Joe bubble gum, they will both do what it is they are designed to do, which is holding steady to a degree that enables the user to put rounds on target at reasonable distances. You aren't taking 1000 yd shots looking for sub moa with a red dot, and when the red dot is employed you aren't taking head shots up close in hostage scenarios with low light conditions. Guess who is taking that up close and precise shot: elite military and law enforcement operators, and when they do they are using IR lasers to aim in those low light scenarios that have the lives of other human beings resting in the balance, and I will let you have one guess WHERE those critical and life saving aiming devices are mounted on the rifle. Spoiler alert, it's the rail. 😉
Inb4 "but muh hYdRa"
My Sig Romeo 5 is placed where I like it. It's where I can get back on target quickly while firing at a rapid pace. That's where it belongs. It belongs where I want it...
Nice
I bought the sig 5 Romeo for my Springfield Armory Saint pistol. How do you like it? I've never shot it yet
@@mowens-79 that's an expensive optic to shoot.
Yes I know it wasn't ment that way.
The proper position to mount a Red Dot is what works best for each individual shooter
Christopher Helminiak You make a great point!
For the most part, the closer the dot is to your eye the better field of view within the optic and around the dot itself, if further forward better field of view outside of the optic shell (peripherial vision). It may come down to how close you plan to shoot and its purpose. Some cases the two eyes open with a fat enough housing can still obscure things in the 2nd eye's blind spot. The absolute solution is try it yourself, find out what works best for you, nobody else can tell you otherwise. If you shoot your rifle upside down, but can shoot faster and more accurate than the next guy it doesn't matter, you are doing it right not wrong. Do what works for you. Results are what counts.
I’m gonna tape mine onto my face and walk around like the terminator
Lmao
you wont "be back"
I was a small arms weapons instructor in the Army and we had them towards the back and they worked perfectly on the M-4. We deployed to both Afghanistan and Iraq. 🇺🇸
Red dot, or ACOG?
Lucky you. We went with irons in 2003-2005. Red dots would have been game changers. Hooah!
lol
William in all do respect you were only a Army small arms instructor and not a utube instructor so there lol. William thanks for your service to our country.
@@DaKillmonger This.....right....here....lol
Appreciate how you make it clear and even go through the trouble to show the three placement options showing the line of site changes based on location of the red dot.
John January thanks for the feedback. wasnt the best example, but im glad it gave a little insight.
"Personal opinion" The correct position is where our eyes can see clearly and hit the target most easily. It doesn't have to be in the front or back center.😊😊
The right answer is whatever works for you. Done
anywhere you want it that is effective for you. its your rifle. do what you want.
but if you dont try it and always assume center or back is right...how would you ever know?
@@G2niverse my statement did not tell them to not try things out. I just said put it anywhere you like.
That has to be the most heat inducing hand guard I’ve ever seen 😂
I totally understand your reasoning and I understand that your opinion is very much in line with professionals who know much more than I do. I just want to list a single "pro" for mounting closer to your eyes that I've never seen anyone else list in all of my research.
In your video you show us what it's like to look through the sight when it's close vs farther forward on the rail and it plainly shows that the sight takes up far more of your FOV when mounted closer and this is very true....if you're a cyclops or a psycho who shoots red dot with only one eye open.
There is simply no way for you to accurately show what the sight picture would be for us if you're using non 3d RUclips video, because your camera has one eye and we have 2. We have stereoscopic vision which is the exact reason why none of you reading this are seeing your nose right now. Our brain makes objects dissapear as long as ONE of our eyes is able to see around it. Now close one eye and read this while shaking your head back and forth, notice how you can see your nose blocking the text? Do it again with both eyes open.
Now, hold the base of your pointer finger up to your nose so it's pointing at the ceiling. Focus on something far away and slowly move your finger farther from your face. Notice that yes, your finger takes up less of your FOV BUT also notice how SOLID your finger looks now. It's harder to ignore isn't it? Now hold it up to your nose again. See how transparent it has become? It is more like a ghost that you can look right through. Your eyes will do the very same thing with the housing of your red dot sight. Yes, the housing takes up less FOV when mounted far forward but it also becomes WAY less transparent. It makes it easier for your brain to treat the housing like it's part of you (like our nose) rather than part of the world.
That's it. That's my only point. Mounting far forward may well be the better way even if my point is true but I thought I had some useful information for everyone to consider while they make their own decisions. I am still undecided myself! Stay safe everyone.
Yeah I tried the best I could to visualize, but like you said...impossible through yt.
@@G2niverse yes great video! Like I said I just wanted to try to add that point I haven't seen before. I might not even be totally correct about my point. Great video thank you!
Felt like I was taking a field sobriety test LoL
SHOOTERS PREFERENCE! Put the optic where ever it works best for you!
Yeah
Internet warriors, lol. I use 2 45° offset mounts, one to the right and one to the left, and 2 red dots. This leaves me open on top for iron sights and I can shoot 2 eyes open for the red dots. This is what peak performance looks like 🔥
Naw, you gotta mount both red dots on a NVG mount attached to your ballistic helmet. That way no matter where you look all you need to do is pull that trigger. Perfect aim every time.
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Bahaha u wetard. I can picture that set up. Bet some fool kid on instagram has a rifle like that🤣🤣🤣
Are you use to fail optics?😭😭😭
The reality is, the best place is whatever works best for you with your particular configuration. Are you running a magnifier? Do you have a carry handle? Is the dot offset as a secondary to a scope? All that factors in to where your dot goes. If you must mount it on the handguard, mount it on the rearmost slot directly over the barrel nut, NOT spanning with the receiver. This will effectively eliminate movement. On top a carry handle is also a surprisingly good location for situational awareness, as it provides a comfortable head-up view that improves peripheral vision while also providing a degree of robustness to your setup. The whole purpose of cowitness is in case the dot's battery dies or it becomes damaged, but if the glass is shattered and the irons are looking through the tube it can interfere with your sight picture. Dot on top carry handle avoids this by providing a separate channel for the iron sights. You have to figure out what works best for you and what you want the rifle to do. There is no one "best" answer for all configurations.
The best spot for it is wherever you put it on your rifle and can hit what your aiming at. Duh
The answer is as far forward on the upper receiver rail.
I just saved you ten minutes
Watch for 5 seconds from 2:38 and you'll have your answer. You're welcome
Eye relief is irrelevant with a red dot. It’s all about maximizing FOV.
Finally someone SMART has entered the chat!
I prefer on the right side of my quad rail with my forward grip on the left side. So when I shoot gangsta position I still get proper grip and good FOV. Also pull down your bandanna so it’ll help block off any light that may bother you.
nice
Common sense tell you to put it were it is best for you
Exactly, each one has a different opinion, apart from each other, each one is accommodated differently.
It's a red dot. The entire point of a red dot is that the dot is on target no matter how you look through it. You can put it right up to your eye if you want to or have it furthest forward and the poi should be the same once zeroed. The FoV observation is fair but calling it a wrong spot isn't really true.
Personally I never cared for the forward position because I found it took me a half second longer to find the dot compared to having it a bit more towards center.
personal preference, for me it actually shaves time off
Dude, it’s all personal preference it doesn’t matter where you put it. If you’re gonna run a magnifier then throw it far forward. If you’re gonna run just the red dot then put it in the middle, front or back doesn’t matter. My experience is Marines/Law Enforcement. I’m no pro by any means but have done a thing or two with an AR. Trust me all 3 positions with a good zero kills the enemy
Prior military here too. I use optics that work best for astigmatism but even then I still have to adjust. my placement is based on sight picture, not field of view.
Thanks for both of your service. God Bless and stay safe.
My thoughts exactly, we're all different and prefer different things when setting up a firearm, what works for you, maybe not so much for me, or my setup for you or other people, it comes down to personal preference and what you're comfortable with and Confident with, and that's what you go with and what makes you more Productive 🇺🇸👍
I hold mine with my left hand up-to my eye like a telescope and then put it in my pocket when I need to change mags.
Thank you for the general knowlege on firearms; it's always good to bring new members into the gun community
I mount mine on the side of the mag for them side ways gangsta look.
@pmg LOL break yoself fool!
🤣🤣🤣
They actually make that style sights
I just glue mine to my eye so I look like a cyborg and people run when they see me.
Lol actually shot my 357 sideways because I accedintly bought cowboy ammo (700fps for a 357 mag lmao) and it is about 6 foot off anyways so mag dump gta style
This is just flat out wrong. It’s completely dependent on whether you want to see more in your optic window or more outside of it. It’s literally personal preference.
You're right its personal preference...not wrong.
The video producer is absolutely correct. Mounting the red farther forward will give you more situational awareness and help keep you from getting "tunnel vision" in a fire fight.
The video is correct kinda in the sence "just because your offended doesn't make you right" the same goes for red dots just because you like it doesn't make right. The purpose as the video stated is to optimize your peripherals making it easiest to find your target the closer you are the harder to find said target thus making the red dot less effective
@@michaelparks5326 he talked out of place claiming things he doesn’t know. For practical real world use and self defense use you want as much situational awareness. This ain’t CoD dude 😂 we ain’t gonna be camping in a corner waiting for someone to walk past you. (Maybe in some cases)
astigmatism is kinda awesome. I always get 2 dots for the price of 1.
its like the gift that keeps on giving
Very helpful to an old guy finally moving toward dot shooting. Thanks!
This video could have been 30 seconds
Bro... they have pills for guys that last 30 sec...I don't need them.
The upside with a placement farther back is that you can easier find the red dot in a high stress situation or an awkward shooting angle. And he even compares the cameras field of view with the eyes field of view. It’s always pros and cons with this kind of thing and not one true answer.
US Army marksmanship manual say red dots should be mounted as far forward as possible to get the best FOV
I gouged my right eye out and put it in the hole. Works great and I get comments all the time telling me I look like the terminator.
That is one of the ugliest ar's i have ever seen. Good grief.
Thank you so much. Outshoots yours 7 days a week.
A firearm is a tool. Its purpose is to be functional, not to be pretty. If you think a gun's appearance holds any actual relevance whatsoever then you probably shouldn't own one because you've lost the plot. This new culture of modding and dressing up firearms just for appearances is dumb af. Grown men LARPing.
@@seanmitchum8179 You can spend so much more money though making it look " cool " . Pimp my firearm a new reality TV show coming to your viewing device soon.
THE EXCEPTION to "anywhere"
If you're using a Red Dot with a MAGNIFIER then the magnifier will have a eye relief distance you have to hold, and you'll also want to minimize the distance between the magnifier and your Red Dot so that things don't start getting all fish eyed. That kind of rig generally winds up pretty far back once it's set-up correctly.
AND A WARNING ABOUT MAGNIFIERS! If you intend to use a magnifier with a Red Dot, choose a Red Dot with the smallest possible dot. This is because the magnifier is going to magnify the size of that dot. I use a 3x magnifier for 100 yards and beyond (because I'm a geezer and my eyes just ain't what they used to be). And I couple it with a Red Dot made by the same manufacturer that has a 2MAO dot. So with the magnifier swung into place the 2MAO dot becomes a 6MAO dot. Which means that at 100 yards that now 6MAO dot will completely cover anything less than 6 inches in diameter. Rump meet pain in the. That's bad enough, but if you have a Red Dot with a 3MAO dot then with a 3X magnifier it will become a 9MAO dot, and a 4MAO will become a whooping 12MAO DOT! Let that soak into the squishy gray prune in you skull for a minute. At 100 yards your dot will cover anything the size of a frigging dinner plate!
Lastly, just because a retailer will offer you a Red Dot/Magnifier Combo doesn't guarantee that the manufacturer ever intended those specific two items to be used together. Always call the manufacturer and check to make sure that you're being offered a viable combination of their products. (I assume most people would know enough NOT to try and match a magnifier from one company with a Red Dot made by a different company, resulting in a true mall ninja rig, that will only rightly belong in the very back of your closet of shame).
Anyway, for what it's worth.
Mike Tully You make a great point!
The correct placement is wherever is best for you, but I prefer toward the back, right in front of the rear iron sight/buis. That way, the off-side eye sees less of the side of the optic, so the field of view is less cluttered with both eyes open.
Placement also depends on the type of red dot. For reflex sites eye relief is unlimited and you have a lot of flexibility with placement - forward, backward, whatever. With a prism site red dot, you need to mount it like a magnified optic and pay close attention to the recommended eye relief.
Good point
I usually just throw my red dot at my target. That way it's as close as possible to what I'm shooting at.
xSpooby lol
With the optic further back, you have more field of view inside the optic than you do with it further forward. The dot is a little quicker to pick up with the optic further back as well.
I agree with that point. And if you've tried both, and closer is better for you, then you are a perfect example of finding your best position.
I feel that this personal opinion for each shooter, but personally completely disagree with your opinion. I shoot with both eyes open and for me the sight pretty much disappears, even where I can see it it appears transparent, and I can still see beyond it. Moving the sight forward puts the area it is affecting very near or even in front of my target. I prefer having it farther back and having more field of view through the optic, which pushes the obstructed area further out into my peripheral vision, and I have the clearest view possible of my actual target and the area immediately around it.
The further back the quicker and easier to find the dot. Moving it forward is mainly for making room for back up irons and magnifiers imo. However the further forward it is will increase your close in situational awareness.
thats not usually the case, depends on if youre familiar with your hold or not. its shooters preference, we're all different
That’s it , going to replace my front sight with my red dot 😂
Its really more dependant on your stock position. If you run your stock fully extended then youll usually need to move the optic back somewhat. I first started with the optic all the way out, but started inching it farther back until a more natural position was found (target aquisition, FOV, etc.). Mine ended up being closer to the middle, slightly forward. Kinda right above the ejection port
This is true
Mine ends up centered with the protrusion from the center of the dust cover
Had an old 1SG place the red dot sight on the upper barrel towards the front of his rifle. When he first got them they had the integrated carry handle sight so he got so used to attaching them on the barrel. Really it doesn’t matter where you put it.
You also want to leave room for backup flip-up iron sights or magnifiers too. #respect
Steve A thanks buddy
I like mine closer to me I have better field of view through lens for running coyotes. If I was using it for self defense or in close quarters your way would work fine . I guess it really comes down to the NUT behind the BOLT.
For longer shots, quick movement i would agree with you. My line set ups (over 150m) have the optic adjusted for best performance.
Now I'm gonna mount a red dot to the very end of the bayonet of my m91/30 Mosin.
No need, in mother Russia...bullets never miss
This is great info for me. Today I just purchased a red dot for my Marlin Model 60 .22LR semi auto. It has the old style connector, but when I install it I will put it as far forward as it can mount! Thanks very much! Red dots are new to me so this answers one of my main questions!
It's shooter's preference. I've seen people mount their red dot on the handguard, and said they're able to get on target faster that way. So whatever is optimal for the shooter, is the correct place to mount it.
Black Rifles Matter agreed
I'm a 3 gun comparison shooter and I agree. I have all my optics as close to the rear as eye relief permits.
The red dot should be between the iron sights. Just my $.02
James Dallis welll duh! lol
Proper placement is where you are most comfortable shooting with it
but if you dont try it and always assume center or back is right...how would you ever know?
@@G2niverse I think assuming people place it in the back is an assumption. Anyone I've went to the range with has placed it in a slightly different area. I've seen 45 degree placements front, center, back, etc... just saying it's the wrong location is a personal view. Great video, just thought I'd add you should be comfortable with it's placement as all people have different shooting preferences.
I believe it's whatever the shooter is comfortable with.
Sometimes due to the design of the red dot the eye relief may require it to be back more. Most red dots don't have magnification but when it's too far forward it makes it harder to see through the sight, especially with zero magnification.
Maybe, but if you shoot two eyes open, there's no blockage at all
All shooters are different. The best place is always going to be the one that helps you shoot the tightest group.
DING DING DING! You got it right!
Tight groups don’t matter in a defensive situation, stopping the threat does. Having the dot too close causes you to be less situationally aware do to it obscuring more of your FOV. Situational awareness is a key factor in a defensive situation.
This should’ve been a 2 minute vid.
Bro has to make that youtube money
Longer the video, more ads can be placed. Worked!
It truly depends on the sight and eye relief
I install mine into the magwell using a very large hammer
👍😆👍
Not me. Makes mag changes too hard.
Except you're ignoring that when you have both eyes open and the red dot is very close it becomes see-through due to the binocular vision this is why the rear side on an AR-15 is so good is that the ring becomes semi-transparent when it's so close to your eye.
So the larger portion of the red dot that's taking up your field of vision when you put it close to your eye become see-through because of binocular vision when you put the site further back this doesn't happen and it becomes opaque actually blocking your view more
That happens no matter where you put it. That's the point of shooting two eyes open.
Magnifier touches my glasses red dot touches the muzzle
Perfect
Just got my red dot today. I needed this video. Perfect timing.
I appreciate the visual part.
Glad I could help
There is no one size fits all approach. You do what works for you.
"As far forward as possible" is an overstatement. At some point moving the optic forward, the speed of locating the dot is affected, so you're trading off a little more peripheral view for a little less speed in target acquisition. What you need to find is the sweet spot that gives you the optimal mix of both.
GunWillTravel You make a great point!
Exactly
Thank you for a simple and well-demonstrated explanation. I like to teach and think visualization for the "why" always works better than the, "Because, it's just better..." approach.
Additionally, as I started watching this, I began to wonder how legit you really were as your intro completely lacked the requisite mag dump montage with speed metal soundtrack as you switched from weapon to weapon, brass flying, shredding old couches, TVs, bird cages, and cars. All this to demonstrate and prove the prowess of what we were all about to witness in the minutes following said intro. Man, you gotta up your game 😜🤣🤣🤣🤣. (TOTALLY KIDDING) Good stuff, thank you!
I've found it's more comfortable for me to have the optic forward. It seems to work better for me personally. Everyone has different opinions, so I just do what I find best for me. There is no right or wrong. There is what works best for you.
My rule of thumb: over the magazine well...has worked for me.
Forward also allows a magnifier or iron backup sights to be installed without re-zeroing the rifle.
Rear irons with 'close' apertures (read: large) work just fine in front of optics. Crowded, but that's no different than with a red dot in between.
You put it to where you are comfortable with it. There's no one way for all shooters.
Byron Coleman agreed, but you gotta try it all to find the best.
I mount one as far back as possible and one as far forward as possible and I use the first one to aim at the second one so you get double accuracy.
Matrim42 lol
That's CHEATING!!!!
ahhh, so you are a tarkov player
It's wherever the shooter wants to put it....
No shit, he’s giving a recommendation
@@peytonmoseley105 well, Payton, it says in the description of the video that this way is wrong....
That’s how a lotta stuff works with shooting. It’s about what works for the shooter, what works for some may not work for others. My brother in-law, dad and I went shooting and I had recently found that the army method of handgun handling works best for me. My in law was like, “dude put your arms out more” it’s just way more comfortable, and as far as I’ve noticed makes follow up shots a lot quicker and smoother.
I’m glad I watched this. I was going to call BS because no one really talks about this but it makes sense to me. Thanks for the vid I will now be a former back 1/3 pic rail red dot placer
Any time!
If you have both eyes open then your non dom eye will fill in the blocked portions of the sight for your dom eye making the sight blockage irrelevant. Put the sight where it’s comfy and run it.
Like who shoots with an eye close these days? Boomers I guess!
I use a Romeo 5 red dot with a Juliet 3 magnifier and I have flip ups as backup. My sights fit where they fit and that's it 😅
1) That hash mark is your ideal center of balance, so that when you shoot through your mag the balance doesnt change. 2) move the red dot forward clears your peripheral field of view but your field of view in the optic gets smaller and makes acquiring targets slower. 3) The real reason red dots are mounted forward are to allow for BUIS, magnifiers, and NV to be mounted behind them. 4) Really, do whatever works for you and your setup.
The hash mark had nothing to do with balance or optic placement. Did a video on that and busted that myth.