he honestly got a lot more credit than he deserved. Hulk was already a pretty big name in wresting before he recruited him in the territory days. Jim Ross was the head of talent relations during that time, and found a lot of the talent during the attitude era. I would actually say that Paul Heyman was better, Vince just had the better timing.
As much as Vince did for the industry itself, WWE was truly his personal toybox in most of its eras The Attitude Era was pure fan service because there was competition, not because thats what Vince wanted to give
Jericho is so depressing to me because he was my favourite wrestler, could re-invent his character (got a clipboard over fgs), and would put over other wrestlers. AEW has indulged him and it's destroyed him.
Inner Circle was great, his early AEW run in general was. But then JAS onwards has just been a complete embarrassment, and also sums up everything wrong with Tony's vision of ROH.
Nah. A team including Michael Tarver beating a team including John Cena, Bret Hart, Edge and Chris Jericho is lunacy. The only person in the Nexus with any true potential was Wade Barrett and maybe Darren Young as an upper mid carder. Everyone else was gonna be mid card at best.
John never changed the ending it was changed by management and John simply said it was fine and didn't try to change it, John did not go behind and change ideas or anything.
Roman becoming brock during his record breaking reign, not defending or even being around for months. Leaving both brands with 1 champion to go after, when they weren't even there!?
Ahem, "the story" is that Reigns was lazy. The reality is that he can only do a certain amount of days a year now because he has to play it safe because of the whole cancer thing, if he works too much it isn't healthy.
@@kdizzle901 By miles lol. Everyone is enjoying the honeymoon, convinced that everything is better now. Triple H has the luxury of not having to build equity, he's got 40 years of equity built by Vince to hang back on. His entire NXT tenure and main roster run has been about the luxury afforded by him to make his own little tweaks, he is still very much operating on all the effort Vince put in.
@@dhenderson1810Nahhhh every WCW documentary Jericho cried about how he didn’t get a chance because the old stars wouldn’t give up their spot…..now look at him😂
Let’s be real…. John Cena did not do what the Rock did. -John Cena made his debut in OVW in 2000. -Signed to WWE officially in 2001. -He made his main roster debut 2002. -2002-2017 he was full-time. (15 years) -2018-now he’s part time. He put in more work than The Rock. He was also “THE” #1 WWE ambassador. ------------ -The Rock began wrestling in 1996 -Debut in November 1996 for WWF -Unofficially the Rock became a part timer in 2002, and you could definitely argue 2001. -2004 he retired -2011 to now he’s been a part timer. Having less than 15 matches since 2003 -And to add on to that unofficially retired point 2000- 152 matches 2001- 91 matches 2002- 36 matches 2003- 7 matches 2004- 1 match Etc etc etc 2013 he gave us his most matches in the last 15 years…. 3. ---------------- # of matches currently The Rock- 855 John Cena- 2,297 --------------- The rock also spent a few years trying to get rid of the wrestling aspect of his career especially during the beginning of his movie career. Only to come back & pretend that he didn’t actively participate in denouncing it (in the nicest way possible). Cena literally has given back to WWE every chance he has gotten.
You're not wrong but I think The Rock tried to get rid of the wrestling aspect because Vince was trying to be involved in every project The Rock was doing, that's why he started using his real name when doing movies later on
@ I agree with that assessment. Heck I also think that WWE wasn’t the end all be all for him either. It was just something he knew he could do, and he had an easier way into the industry. But I also for sure think that once he got a taste of Hollywood. He knew what the true goal was. In fact…. Although he is box office. I think that if his time in Hollywood was reviewed better. We’d see him even less than we do today. Because although he’s been apart of a hit franchise in Jumanji & the Fast series. He’s yet to be a successful leading man in any of his standalone movies. (In fact all of his “solo” movies include other A list celebrities) Lol, and that’s not a full blown shot. I’m actually a huge fan of the Rock/Dwayne. I really enjoyed Red Ones & Red Notice…. I also thought he did okay in Black Adam too. Of course there’s a strong bias there considering I’m a huge wrestling fan, and he’s one of my childhood idols. But the movie buff/critique in me will never ignore the obvious.
@@domwuz144 lol, you have 0 clue what giving back means, the rock was jobbing many times in his career, while cena may have fought many more matches but won most of the time, maybe giving back to people who love seeing him and the boss, but not to the roster as much as the rock did, the rock also stepped into hollywood to give the new guys the spotlight, and he was never seen as the number 1 guy, it was always austin, they even credit austin for why rock got to the top, it was time for the rock to move on, so should you, orton is in his 40s and still remains in wwe, cena split to hollywood, which means cena is still similar to the rock
Lads, lads, lads. Writing about stuff like this really takes away from the brevity of it all. Even though Cena had about 3 times the amount of matches that Rock did... Rock still had hundreds of matches. That's not laziness or lack of commitment lol, the guy brokered a deal for himself that actually worked out, Piper in the late 80s tried to broker that same deal but he didn't work out as well as Rock so he came back to the industry bitter he had to rely on it, when most people fail to make it in Hollywood they have nothing to go back to, Piper had wrestling so he was very lucky. But he was very bitter he had to go back, his entire WCW run was as a bitter homophobe and when he returned to Wwe for a few months in 03 he was extremely out of shape. Rock succeeded where Piper failed, Piper has many more matches under his belt than he wanted. Bumps make people bitter lol, bumps are the reason people try get out of wrestling, if anyone wants to get out of wrestling people wish them well because eventually people are sick of bumping. Rock took plenty of bumps and left before they began seriously affecting him, so good for him.
CM punk not being mentioned in comments or showing up in this video just shows how moronic his fans are. He went from screaming how he puts in his time and deserves to be #1 guy. Look where he is now, seth and drew wrestling consistently only to be buried after having to carry matches for punk. Punk wrestling once every 5 months and is so prone to injury that even his table bumps look like he is being lowered into the table. This guy is going to win the belt from either cody or gunther and then provide even worse title defense than roman reigns. All you clowns will be quiet though, unlike with saying how roman defends his title once every few months.
Yet The Rock helped make WWE what it is today as he was one of the key pieces of the company going public! And during the Cena years he was a key reason why people stopped watching
@@Greatnes2009 and I also remember the Rock saying the WWE was his home. And remember his speech when Steve Austin walked out in 2002 when he said if you didn't want to be in the WWE, get the F out. I guess he didn't want to be in the WWE because he was gone soon after that.
@ Rock didn’t leave until 04 and technically they didn’t renew his contract in 04 that speech he gave to Austin was in 02 and God forbid someone goes out and has another career for himself and oh yea by the way the Rock is still in wrestling….so what are you saying?
@@Greatnes2009 Rock last wrestled on TV in 2003. That is when I consider his full time career to end. Also, he didn't wrestle for almost a year between Goldberg at Backlash in 2003 and WrestleMania 20.
In Cena's defense he retracted his statements and apologized for what he said cause he knew he was wrong for it. So there's always that. Which is admirable.
Undertaker said in an interview in the early to mid 2000s during his biker gimmick that he has no desire to stick around so long that people who saw him earlier in his career feel bad for him. He knew it then, that staying too long would ruin a legacy, hell he even saw it first hand when Ric Flair did it in TNA, and yet he still could not resist and ended up tarnishing his legacy during his old age despite younger Undertaker being fully aware of the risks.
He's acting as if he was a victim of a very large conspiracy against him in AEW when in fact, he and the Elite just didn't agree on how to lead the company. Both the group and punk acted like children. Since punk knows he can't throw around his temper tantrums like he did in AEW as he'll be kicked out of the only promotion he can retire peacefully. So he's on his best behaviour in WWE.
Y'all sound Cena fans seeing Punk how you wantbto see him as opposed to what he is. He's still the same person he was in 2011 and hasn't changed at all.
It's not the same for Cena. First, The Rock conquered Hollywood (for awhile), Cena just works there. Another difference is Rock was almost a decade younger when he stopped wrestling. Cena was basically 40 and had a full career. He didn't leave much meat left on the wrestling table while The Rock left a TON.
Plus we wouldn’t have places going crazy for John Cena like we do now if he hadn’t stopped working. People really started appreciating him a lot more once he left, people still wanted to see the rock wrestle when he left for hollywood
@@SoupDealerwell he didn't accept the fact that he was an ungrateful self righteous idiot with the longest WWE title run in WWE at that time. He couldn't draw as much as Cena so WWE had to put the championship back on Cena's shoulder. Yes I do agree that WWE did dirty to him by him not having a threeway match with Rock and Cena at WrestleMania.
@kennythetrend3688 what a load of BS! Where's your pal Hang-nail Page on this list? He's the biggest hypocrite in the wrestling industry right now, along with the Counterfeit Bucks. If AEW needs saving from anyone, it's them, and Tony The Snowman (who couldn't book a shit in a toilet).
@@HansenSebastian I took the line from The Dark Knight, Harvey Dent's "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Which is probably based off of that line.
Roman Reigns as well. And I'm not talking about his health issues either. Dude had no business being world champion for 3 years. When he literally did nothing. It was all handed to him due to his famous family
I mean we were also in the middle of a pandemic too? I don't think Roman's part time status is the same thing as Brock just not being bothered to show up. Like I don't think y'all actually grasp how serious leukaemia actually is
@@david-p8e6o Different story. Roman had leukemia and even when he's on remission, going full time like others would be risky as it would sideline him and worsen the leukemia. Brock is just too healthy to compete, but chooses to show up only when he wants to on his own terms.
@@HansenSebastian another Roman fanboy making excuses for him using the leukaemia crap which he never had should have been stripped off the title then if it were true sick of part time champions Goldberg Brock and roman he became a hypocrite dont give me that he had leukaemia nonsense
@@HansenSebastian Then he shouldn't have been the champion. If he can't be around to do anything with it then what good is it on someone who can only KIND OF be there
@WhatCulture Wrestling Rock leaves for Hollywood at age 29, with several good years left and when the company was really needing him to step up again (He stays and no reign of terror?) Cena leaves for Hollywood at age 44 after wrestling solidly for two decades while carrying the company on his back and with his best years behind him is him becoming the Rock? You need to re evaluate that one. Plus several of these examples were of guys going from a bad situation to a much better one. How exactly is that them become everything they hated?? You are usually better prepared than this.
@ and guess what? Cena admitted it was wrong. Yet Jericho left WCW because the people were doing EXACTLY what he’s doing now. Also, Cena is working and hasn’t abandoned WWE. He always comes back and shows respect.
The thing I don't get about people being mad at Chris Jericho for taking tv time and belts from younger, up-and- coming wrestlers is that people are so excited for John Cena to be in the Royal Rumble and get a belt again to break the record. He will be doing the exact same thing - taking wins and a belt from wrestlers who are in WWE day in, day out!
Cena hasn’t won a TV match in over 2000 days. Very different from Jericho who has probably politicked himself to win 5 championships in the last few years
@@RockApe_ Because he hasn't wrestled full time since 2018! I'm not saying it's right that Jericho wins all these belts and has all this TV time but I don't think Cena should be winning Rumbles and belts either. It'd just be like the Rock nearly nicking Cody's spot at Wrestlemania 40. Cena will be taking the spots from someone who's there and wrestling year round. Not just popping up now and then in-between making films and filming Peacemaker!
I think it’s because people are aware that he is most likely to lose and set up a final retirement match with whoever eliminates him. Kinda like what was supposed to happen with Undertaker and Roman Reigns in 2017. Well that’s just my take, could be wrong.
I think Jericho still has a lot left in him, but he should have done what he did best in WWE, step away for a while, give the fans some time to miss him and then come back and reinvent himself
The match between BOD vs DX at Crown Jewel 2018 suffered mainly due to two factors: Kane's mask falling off and Triple H's injury, which led to chaos in the match. I believe that if the match had been between The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, it would likely have been better, despite their age. The chaos could have been less, and while it wouldn't have reached the level of their previous classics, it would have been more enjoyable than the tag team match at Crown Jewel.
For a time CM Punk was the HHH of AEW: someone who rose to the top because of his close relationship with the boss, took forever to get to the ring before giving long promos of things you knew he was going to say, always in the World Title Scene, and was allowed to have backstage power on one show - even using said power to hold back other people.
He was at the top because of what he accomplished in the WWe and he raised their ratings going to AEW. Get your facts straight. You Punk haters are borderline idiotic. 🙄
@younglove3362 Not a Punk Hater (F@#% Hogan); just pointing out a funny coincidence. AEW Marks can't take simple constructive criticism; if TNA can handle 22+ years of hate surely AEW can take a couple years.
DAMN: Vince didn't like ANYBODY who made a name for themselves outside of WWF/E. Even worse he hated Deans: Dean Douglas, Dean Malenko, Simon Dean & Dean Ambrose. All of them had a terrible gimmick or run under his watch.
Punk to WWE. Cody to WWE. Nothing going in the opposite direction is even close to being comparable. AEW was so promising in the beginning, but now it is where ex WWE wrestlers go to collect an easy paycheck from a money mark, nothing more.
I notice Stone Cold didn't walk out during his heel run, he walked out when he had been a babyface again for 6 months. I think he had a problem with not being champ anymore. He was still champ as a heel, for his longest ever time. But he walked out when it was clear he was no longer the man, HHH had his big return and Stone Cold had to put over Brock. I don't blame him as such, apart from his 10 months out with injury he was pretty much the man for 4 years. Not being in the main event made him think something was missing.
Personally, I kinda saw his point. He didn't have a problem with putting Brock over. The issue was they were gonna do it on Raw in King of the Ring qualifying match.
Jericho is doing all this ironically. It's legitimately his Learning Tree gimmick. The only thing Big Bill can do wrong is lose matches, and that's the only time the fans boo. He's gonna get a big push off the tail end of this, which has happened since the 70s when it comes to egotistical, leadership roles in stables.
People somehow miss this when he literally had a segment called "TV Time with The Learning Tree". Constantly "reinventing" himself (he's The Learning Tree with his own stable named after him, El Nueve, The King of New York, etc.) seemingly on a whim. But people still seem to miss that he's parodying himself...
How did you not put punk on this list considering that he's an over-the-hill part-timer who can't go in the ring and shows up to take TV time and victories from better, more consistent performers😂?
I gotta disagree friend. Part of what made BDB work in WWE was them reigning in his, let's call it his... eagerness to perform regardless of what he was doing to his body. Towards the end of his last run Danielson was talking about his arms going numb in the ring. If that had happened in WWE they would have made him take time off to recover asap. Hell I remember him talking about keeping concussions secret from WWE doctors and they still found out because, ya know, that sort of thing does cumulative damage...
Regarding Shane Douglas and the faking injury rumours, Scott Hall talked about it in his shoot interview and was regretful. Shane was hurt, but Hall had also been working hurt and told Shane to just take some fucking pills. This interview having been years later, Hall was more reflective of that and how taking pills just to continue wasn't the best idea. So yeah, the "faking it" was just him not working hurt, though at the time based on how wrestling was, everyone who was working hurt and pilled up thought he was faking it.
For all the people ripping on Stone Cold , the heel turn actually made him better , showed that rattlesnakes can be tamed but ... only for a while ...( the anti-hero thing would have become old if he kep[t doing it ad infinatum )
To be fair to Cena, he has since said Dwayne was right and that he's apologized to him for his stance back in the days several times. Man was in the trenches and bled WWE colors during that time, so you get it.
I always thought that the best thing for Jericho to do was to get out of the ring and focus on commentary or other roles. He doesn’t need the spotlight but I think he’s earned the right to not be completely phased out. He has nothing left to prove. Hes had a great run. All he’s doing now is tarnishing the legacy out of ego
The difference between John and Dwayne is simply the fact that even though John left for acting he has never disputed giving WWE their cut from his profits as he has said he owes WWE everything. Dwayne used to be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson in his movies but after dropping the rock name from the screen he noticed he gets more money. Dwayne is all ego and John is more humble
To really be fair to HBK, he wasn't expected to do a lot in the match. Triple H was reported to have said he was to do most of the work for his team in the match, but he got injured early in the match.
Shawn Michaels coming back for one more match was good, because number 1 people will now sftu about having another match as they see e is cooked. and number 2 being retired doesn't mean that you will never wrestle again, it just means that you awill never work again in your life, it just means committed to that role and you are free to do whatever you want, so a match here and there over a large amount of time isn't out of the question
John Cena ditching the WWE for Hollywood is different from when The Rock did it. Cena was a full time wrestler much longer than The Rock was and he was much older when he made the switch. The Rock was at his physical peak when he left for Hollywood (was he even 30?).
I also feel like rock and cena are different cause rock went part time at 30. Cena was at least a solid 40 when he would go months without being on tv.
Will smith’s biggest problem long before the slap was his ego. He turned down Django because he thought he knew more about making movies than terentino. MiB was his chance to be humble, show the studios he wasn’t a liability, and he blew it. 70 million for any movie is a ridiculous payday, and he wants 110? A salary like that has too high a chance of blowing the budget and making in an instant flop. Sony should have offered him 15mil max, and that is being generous
HBK should not be on this list. Yes, DX vs the Brothers of Destruction was a terrible match, but HBK was literally the only one who looked good. Sure he wasn’t the Shawn of old, but he hadn’t wrestled in almost 10 years, unlike everyone else involved. He was the only one who didn’t embarrass himself in that match.
Jericho did not became what he hated , hell nah , he is someone who works with younger talents to give them spotlights and help and train them a bit , when Jericho was in WCW no one did this for him
You know vinces la idea was dumb because maxxine got a whole gimmick change as well. The other two left and carried on the gimmick but it still hasnt gotten them over.
I remember when Jericho first came to AEW with the “inner Circle” and I said (and a lot of neck beards laughed at me) it was Hulk Hogan and the NWO B-team. And the neck beards are still crying. And I’m right.
I see a lot of people mentioning Punk. But what really has killed his character for me, is I never thought i'd see him do the opening Rah Rah speech for an episode of Raw, especially one so corporate sounding. This past Monday he went on Raw, thanked Netflix (dafuq?), and then acknowledged the firefighters in LA like they were an indigenous tribe or Roman Reigns. The second one is less heinous, but Pipebomb Phil doesn't seem like the guy that should be giving that speech. But I guess CM Corporate does.
Chris Jericho should've just retired before he hit 50. Being irrelevant is part of the business, you can't stay at the top forever in a young man's game. It is best to go out on top while you still can instead of grasping what you have left in relevance.
Where was the most glaringly obvious one of all time? CM Punk? He hated part timers stealing spots and now that is exactly what he's doing, making him the ultimate hypocrite.
The fact that Vince didn’t see anything in la knight just proves that Vince lost touch a long time ago
Vince never lost touch, he just has a firm grip only for himself and no one else.
he honestly got a lot more credit than he deserved. Hulk was already a pretty big name in wresting before he recruited him in the territory days. Jim Ross was the head of talent relations during that time, and found a lot of the talent during the attitude era. I would actually say that Paul Heyman was better, Vince just had the better timing.
@@nalaka3488 Vince was smart enough to use his money to get wrestlers from other territories to come work for him
As much as Vince did for the industry itself, WWE was truly his personal toybox in most of its eras
The Attitude Era was pure fan service because there was competition, not because thats what Vince wanted to give
No
He didn’t see anything in him because HE HAS SEEN HIM BEFORE!
Jericho is so depressing to me because he was my favourite wrestler, could re-invent his character (got a clipboard over fgs), and would put over other wrestlers. AEW has indulged him and it's destroyed him.
Inner Circle was great, his early AEW run in general was. But then JAS onwards has just been a complete embarrassment, and also sums up everything wrong with Tony's vision of ROH.
Something admirable about John Ché-na in this context is that he has fully owned how wrong he was publically.
What he did to the nexus for sure. And yeah at least he did admit he was wrong with what he said
He’s still got a big mouth!
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Nah. A team including Michael Tarver beating a team including John Cena, Bret Hart, Edge and Chris Jericho is lunacy. The only person in the Nexus with any true potential was Wade Barrett and maybe Darren Young as an upper mid carder. Everyone else was gonna be mid card at best.
John never changed the ending it was changed by management and John simply said it was fine and didn't try to change it, John did not go behind and change ideas or anything.
Roman becoming brock during his record breaking reign, not defending or even being around for months.
Leaving both brands with 1 champion to go after, when they weren't even there!?
At least he was still part of the story in the background while he was gone. Brock just popped up when they needed Brock.
Ahem, "the story" is that Reigns was lazy. The reality is that he can only do a certain amount of days a year now because he has to play it safe because of the whole cancer thing, if he works too much it isn't healthy.
Vince is still a better booker than Triple H
@@kdizzle901 By miles lol. Everyone is enjoying the honeymoon, convinced that everything is better now. Triple H has the luxury of not having to build equity, he's got 40 years of equity built by Vince to hang back on. His entire NXT tenure and main roster run has been about the luxury afforded by him to make his own little tweaks, he is still very much operating on all the effort Vince put in.
Creative protecting Reigns while he was away was the worst part.
Jericho should be number 1 on the list. His hypocrisy is worse than Cena's.
Honestly, Jericho has always been a phony. AEW was simply the company to expose it.
Jericho was the young guy that hated the old guys who ruled the business.
This. Now he's JericHogan, brother.
@@bury_the_elite65294 Soon he's gonna look like JeriFlair, wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
The best AEW jump was Christian. This is the best work of his career.
You might as well have put the title as "10 Wrestlers Who Lived Long Enough To See Themselves Become the Villain"...
Long title
In pro wrestling villains are the heels so it wouldn't made much sense
Or ten wrestlers who fans turned on, because wrestling fans are fickle.
Missed opportunity
@@dhenderson1810Nahhhh every WCW documentary Jericho cried about how he didn’t get a chance because the old stars wouldn’t give up their spot…..now look at him😂
Let’s be real…. John Cena did not do what the Rock did.
-John Cena made his debut in OVW in 2000.
-Signed to WWE officially in 2001.
-He made his main roster debut 2002.
-2002-2017 he was full-time. (15 years)
-2018-now he’s part time.
He put in more work than The Rock. He was also “THE” #1 WWE ambassador.
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-The Rock began wrestling in 1996
-Debut in November 1996 for WWF
-Unofficially the Rock became a part timer in 2002, and you could definitely argue 2001.
-2004 he retired
-2011 to now he’s been a part timer. Having less than 15 matches since 2003
-And to add on to that unofficially retired point
2000- 152 matches
2001- 91 matches
2002- 36 matches
2003- 7 matches
2004- 1 match
Etc etc etc
2013 he gave us his most matches in the last 15 years…. 3.
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# of matches currently
The Rock- 855
John Cena- 2,297
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The rock also spent a few years trying to get rid of the wrestling aspect of his career especially during the beginning of his movie career. Only to come back & pretend that he didn’t actively participate in denouncing it (in the nicest way possible).
Cena literally has given back to WWE every chance he has gotten.
You're not wrong but I think The Rock tried to get rid of the wrestling aspect because Vince was trying to be involved in every project The Rock was doing, that's why he started using his real name when doing movies later on
@ I agree with that assessment. Heck I also think that WWE wasn’t the end all be all for him either. It was just something he knew he could do, and he had an easier way into the industry. But I also for sure think that once he got a taste of Hollywood. He knew what the true goal was.
In fact…. Although he is box office. I think that if his time in Hollywood was reviewed better. We’d see him even less than we do today. Because although he’s been apart of a hit franchise in Jumanji & the Fast series. He’s yet to be a successful leading man in any of his standalone movies. (In fact all of his “solo” movies include other A list celebrities)
Lol, and that’s not a full blown shot. I’m actually a huge fan of the Rock/Dwayne. I really enjoyed Red Ones & Red Notice…. I also thought he did okay in Black Adam too. Of course there’s a strong bias there considering I’m a huge wrestling fan, and he’s one of my childhood idols. But the movie buff/critique in me will never ignore the obvious.
@@domwuz144 lol, you have 0 clue what giving back means, the rock was jobbing many times in his career, while cena may have fought many more matches but won most of the time, maybe giving back to people who love seeing him and the boss, but not to the roster as much as the rock did, the rock also stepped into hollywood to give the new guys the spotlight, and he was never seen as the number 1 guy, it was always austin, they even credit austin for why rock got to the top, it was time for the rock to move on, so should you, orton is in his 40s and still remains in wwe, cena split to hollywood, which means cena is still similar to the rock
Lads, lads, lads. Writing about stuff like this really takes away from the brevity of it all. Even though Cena had about 3 times the amount of matches that Rock did... Rock still had hundreds of matches. That's not laziness or lack of commitment lol, the guy brokered a deal for himself that actually worked out, Piper in the late 80s tried to broker that same deal but he didn't work out as well as Rock so he came back to the industry bitter he had to rely on it, when most people fail to make it in Hollywood they have nothing to go back to, Piper had wrestling so he was very lucky. But he was very bitter he had to go back, his entire WCW run was as a bitter homophobe and when he returned to Wwe for a few months in 03 he was extremely out of shape.
Rock succeeded where Piper failed, Piper has many more matches under his belt than he wanted. Bumps make people bitter lol, bumps are the reason people try get out of wrestling, if anyone wants to get out of wrestling people wish them well because eventually people are sick of bumping. Rock took plenty of bumps and left before they began seriously affecting him, so good for him.
He realize he’s not much of an actor without being the rock.
You forgot Roman becoming a part-timer.
Bro has well documented health issues... that and being in the position hes in.. he doesnt NEED to be full time
But remember he talked about brock be a part timer. He hated brock being gone with the world title and now he’s doing the same thing.
@@YooThatsMike05 Clearly a scripted promo he was forced to read out
@@RowdySDCexactly. That’s the only thing Roman had over Brock at that time to not get boo’d.. even though it still happened.
CM punk not being mentioned in comments or showing up in this video just shows how moronic his fans are. He went from screaming how he puts in his time and deserves to be #1 guy. Look where he is now, seth and drew wrestling consistently only to be buried after having to carry matches for punk. Punk wrestling once every 5 months and is so prone to injury that even his table bumps look like he is being lowered into the table. This guy is going to win the belt from either cody or gunther and then provide even worse title defense than roman reigns. All you clowns will be quiet though, unlike with saying how roman defends his title once every few months.
Just remember, Cena wrestled full time more than twice as long as the Rock and wrestled almost 2300 matches, compared to less than 900 for the Rock.
Cena have also put guys over as of late.
Yet The Rock helped make WWE what it is today as he was one of the key pieces of the company going public! And during the Cena years he was a key reason why people stopped watching
@@Greatnes2009 and I also remember the Rock saying the WWE was his home. And remember his speech when Steve Austin walked out in 2002 when he said if you didn't want to be in the WWE, get the F out. I guess he didn't want to be in the WWE because he was gone soon after that.
@ Rock didn’t leave until 04 and technically they didn’t renew his contract in 04 that speech he gave to Austin was in 02 and God forbid someone goes out and has another career for himself and oh yea by the way the Rock is still in wrestling….so what are you saying?
@@Greatnes2009 Rock last wrestled on TV in 2003. That is when I consider his full time career to end. Also, he didn't wrestle for almost a year between Goldberg at Backlash in 2003 and WrestleMania 20.
In Cena's defense he retracted his statements and apologized for what he said cause he knew he was wrong for it. So there's always that. Which is admirable.
Undertaker said in an interview in the early to mid 2000s during his biker gimmick that he has no desire to stick around so long that people who saw him earlier in his career feel bad for him. He knew it then, that staying too long would ruin a legacy, hell he even saw it first hand when Ric Flair did it in TNA, and yet he still could not resist and ended up tarnishing his legacy during his old age despite younger Undertaker being fully aware of the risks.
But to say no to all that money can't be easy . Even if you have it
CM Punk became the corporate, Cena-esque figure he despised. And unlike Cena, he hasn't apologized for running his mouth
He's acting as if he was a victim of a very large conspiracy against him in AEW when in fact, he and the Elite just didn't agree on how to lead the company. Both the group and punk acted like children. Since punk knows he can't throw around his temper tantrums like he did in AEW as he'll be kicked out of the only promotion he can retire peacefully. So he's on his best behaviour in WWE.
Y'all sound Cena fans seeing Punk how you wantbto see him as opposed to what he is. He's still the same person he was in 2011 and hasn't changed at all.
If someone doesn't change over a 15 year span,wouldn't that be worse?
Id hate if I was the same person I was 15 years ago.
@stilettoswinger7404
Of you're not the same person you were 15yrs ago then that means you don't know who you are and have no identity.
@stilettoswinger7404 conveniently choosing not to address the second part about owning up to your mistakes, I see
Best WWE to AEW has gotta be Swerve. No offense to Mox, but the reinvention of Swerve has been incredible.
It's not the same for Cena. First, The Rock conquered Hollywood (for awhile), Cena just works there. Another difference is Rock was almost a decade younger when he stopped wrestling. Cena was basically 40 and had a full career. He didn't leave much meat left on the wrestling table while The Rock left a TON.
Plus we wouldn’t have places going crazy for John Cena like we do now if he hadn’t stopped working. People really started appreciating him a lot more once he left, people still wanted to see the rock wrestle when he left for hollywood
Stone Cold in 2001 post WM through the Alliance was outstanding.
Where's CM Punk on this list? That guy LITERALLY turned his back to what his career has been about for the last 13 years in just the last 3.
didn't he acknowledge what happened between him and WWE in the promo war vs Seth Rollins?
@@SoupDealerwell he didn't accept the fact that he was an ungrateful self righteous idiot with the longest WWE title run in WWE at that time. He couldn't draw as much as Cena so WWE had to put the championship back on Cena's shoulder. Yes I do agree that WWE did dirty to him by him not having a threeway match with Rock and Cena at WrestleMania.
So you mean Vince was the problem yet he dealt with Tony? What are you getting at? Im just glad he's back
@kennythetrend3688 what a load of BS! Where's your pal Hang-nail Page on this list? He's the biggest hypocrite in the wrestling industry right now, along with the Counterfeit Bucks. If AEW needs saving from anyone, it's them, and Tony The Snowman (who couldn't book a shit in a toilet).
"You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain."
No. It's either "die a martyr or live long enough to be what you hate".
@@HansenSebastian I took the line from The Dark Knight, Harvey Dent's "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Which is probably based off of that line.
Anything can be creative to make something useful in various ways
If you’re good at something, never do it for free.
The Dark Knight quote is the kids version
Roman Reigns as well. And I'm not talking about his health issues either. Dude had no business being world champion for 3 years. When he literally did nothing. It was all handed to him due to his famous family
agreed and Roman complaining about Brock being apart timer never defending the title he did the same thing
I mean we were also in the middle of a pandemic too? I don't think Roman's part time status is the same thing as Brock just not being bothered to show up. Like I don't think y'all actually grasp how serious leukaemia actually is
@@david-p8e6o Different story. Roman had leukemia and even when he's on remission, going full time like others would be risky as it would sideline him and worsen the leukemia. Brock is just too healthy to compete, but chooses to show up only when he wants to on his own terms.
@@HansenSebastian another Roman fanboy making excuses for him using the leukaemia crap which he never had should have been stripped off the title then if it were true sick of part time champions Goldberg Brock and roman he became a hypocrite dont give me that he had leukaemia nonsense
@@HansenSebastian Then he shouldn't have been the champion. If he can't be around to do anything with it then what good is it on someone who can only KIND OF be there
@WhatCulture Wrestling
Rock leaves for Hollywood at age 29, with several good years left and when the company was really needing him to step up again (He stays and no reign of terror?)
Cena leaves for Hollywood at age 44 after wrestling solidly for two decades while carrying the company on his back and with his best years behind him is him becoming the Rock?
You need to re evaluate that one.
Plus several of these examples were of guys going from a bad situation to a much better one. How exactly is that them become everything they hated??
You are usually better prepared than this.
Jericho has become his narrative for the WM25 angle. An over the hill has been who still craves the spotlight.
The modern day Randy The Ram
Id give Cena this he left when he didnt have much left in the tank while id argue rock left when he still had a lot more to give.
Jericho is the best example.
and Jericho is the living breathing example of how he hated about WCW.
Nah, Cena used to give shit to Rock for abandoning WWE for Hollywood and thats exactly what he is doing
@ and guess what? Cena admitted it was wrong. Yet Jericho left WCW because the people were doing EXACTLY what he’s doing now. Also, Cena is working and hasn’t abandoned WWE. He always comes back and shows respect.
The thing I don't get about people being mad at Chris Jericho for taking tv time and belts from younger, up-and- coming wrestlers is that people are so excited for John Cena to be in the Royal Rumble and get a belt again to break the record. He will be doing the exact same thing - taking wins and a belt from wrestlers who are in WWE day in, day out!
Cena hasn’t won a TV match in over 2000 days. Very different from Jericho who has probably politicked himself to win 5 championships in the last few years
@@RockApe_ Because he hasn't wrestled full time since 2018! I'm not saying it's right that Jericho wins all these belts and has all this TV time but I don't think Cena should be winning Rumbles and belts either. It'd just be like the Rock nearly nicking Cody's spot at Wrestlemania 40. Cena will be taking the spots from someone who's there and wrestling year round. Not just popping up now and then in-between making films and filming Peacemaker!
I would support Cena becoming 17 times world champion only if he turns heel but maybe I am hoping for too much
I think it’s because people are aware that he is most likely to lose and set up a final retirement match with whoever eliminates him.
Kinda like what was supposed to happen with Undertaker and Roman Reigns in 2017.
Well that’s just my take, could be wrong.
@@da_gang4life Ooooh I never thought of that! Thank you for sharing your take with me. I hope that is what happens!
Cena spent his prime carrying this company, the Rock spent his in Hollywood. Big difference between the two I’d say wouldn’t you champ?
WhatCulture has become the Dave Meltzer of wrestling blogs
Heel Austin in the Alliance was great. His comedy segments were gold.
I think Jericho still has a lot left in him, but he should have done what he did best in WWE, step away for a while, give the fans some time to miss him and then come back and reinvent himself
The match between BOD vs DX at Crown Jewel 2018 suffered mainly due to two factors: Kane's mask falling off and Triple H's injury, which led to chaos in the match. I believe that if the match had been between The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels, it would likely have been better, despite their age. The chaos could have been less, and while it wouldn't have reached the level of their previous classics, it would have been more enjoyable than the tag team match at Crown Jewel.
Am I the only one who thinks Austin did great with that character, I thought he was hilarious
For a time CM Punk was the HHH of AEW: someone who rose to the top because of his close relationship with the boss, took forever to get to the ring before giving long promos of things you knew he was going to say, always in the World Title Scene, and was allowed to have backstage power on one show - even using said power to hold back other people.
He was at the top because of what he accomplished in the WWe and he raised their ratings going to AEW. Get your facts straight. You Punk haters are borderline idiotic. 🙄
@younglove3362 Not a Punk Hater (F@#% Hogan); just pointing out a funny coincidence. AEW Marks can't take simple constructive criticism; if TNA can handle 22+ years of hate surely AEW can take a couple years.
Always in the world title scene? Lol. Took him 10 months to be in the title scene.
@@TheRealAhoy
And he should have been there sooner.
@@younglove3362 Was his choice not to, he spent his first few months having matches with rookies, then feuded with Kingston, then mjf.
DAMN: Vince didn't like ANYBODY who made a name for themselves outside of WWF/E. Even worse he hated Deans: Dean Douglas, Dean Malenko, Simon Dean & Dean Ambrose. All of them had a terrible gimmick or run under his watch.
Punk to WWE. Cody to WWE. Nothing going in the opposite direction is even close to being comparable. AEW was so promising in the beginning, but now it is where ex WWE wrestlers go to collect an easy paycheck from a money mark, nothing more.
John Cena deserves to cast out in Hollywood
I think the difference between Rock and Cena is that Cena’s body gave out. Rock Left in his prime.
Yes Chris Jericho is exactly who he complained about in WCW about wrestlers being held down by Hogan
I notice Stone Cold didn't walk out during his heel run, he walked out when he had been a babyface again for 6 months. I think he had a problem with not being champ anymore. He was still champ as a heel, for his longest ever time. But he walked out when it was clear he was no longer the man, HHH had his big return and Stone Cold had to put over Brock. I don't blame him as such, apart from his 10 months out with injury he was pretty much the man for 4 years. Not being in the main event made him think something was missing.
Personally, I kinda saw his point. He didn't have a problem with putting Brock over. The issue was they were gonna do it on Raw in King of the Ring qualifying match.
Jericho is doing all this ironically. It's legitimately his Learning Tree gimmick.
The only thing Big Bill can do wrong is lose matches, and that's the only time the fans boo. He's gonna get a big push off the tail end of this, which has happened since the 70s when it comes to egotistical, leadership roles in stables.
Agreed. Jericho is parodying himself and hopefully Big Bill gets a nuclear push out of it.
So ironic that he's ratings poison.
They wont push bill, all the uppers at AEW dont like vig guys because there small little men
People somehow miss this when he literally had a segment called "TV Time with The Learning Tree". Constantly "reinventing" himself (he's The Learning Tree with his own stable named after him, El Nueve, The King of New York, etc.) seemingly on a whim. But people still seem to miss that he's parodying himself...
The best jump to AEW was Swerve. He finally got treated as the star he is.
How did you not put punk on this list considering that he's an over-the-hill part-timer who can't go in the ring and shows up to take TV time and victories from better, more consistent performers😂?
Jericho is the modern-day Hogan. Politicking all day in Tony's ear.
Swerve Strcikland. He went from yet another NXT guy who got screwed by going to the main roster into a world champ in AEW.
"You've become the very thing you fought against."
-Batman to Ra's al Ghul (Batman: Arkham City)
I like this quote from The Dark Knight
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
How Jericho is a world champion is beyond me. He really needs to give others a chance with a world title
Jericho....BOY!!!
Danielson's jump was the one I don't think people expected & I liked the most.
I’ll always like heel Austin
The best jump from WWE to AEW was Bryan Danielson.
I think it’s swerve. He was never gonna be world champ in WWE.
I agree specially for people like me who have always hated the WM 30 finish and giving the belt to a h0b0
I gotta disagree friend. Part of what made BDB work in WWE was them reigning in his, let's call it his... eagerness to perform regardless of what he was doing to his body. Towards the end of his last run Danielson was talking about his arms going numb in the ring. If that had happened in WWE they would have made him take time off to recover asap. Hell I remember him talking about keeping concussions secret from WWE doctors and they still found out because, ya know, that sort of thing does cumulative damage...
Moxley sucks-I hope he goes back to WWE
Regarding Shane Douglas and the faking injury rumours, Scott Hall talked about it in his shoot interview and was regretful. Shane was hurt, but Hall had also been working hurt and told Shane to just take some fucking pills.
This interview having been years later, Hall was more reflective of that and how taking pills just to continue wasn't the best idea. So yeah, the "faking it" was just him not working hurt, though at the time based on how wrestling was, everyone who was working hurt and pilled up thought he was faking it.
Shawn is the only one that delivered in that match. Hunter was hindered by a torn pec though.
Anti establishment DX became the establishment
They earned it
Godfather was upset he lost all that merch money from being the Godfather.
For all the people ripping on Stone Cold , the heel turn actually made him better , showed that rattlesnakes can be tamed
but ... only for a while ...( the anti-hero thing would have become old if he kep[t doing it ad infinatum )
All I know is the gas mask Dean Ambrose thing was much better than this god awful death riders shit.
Asking for the best WWE aew transition, it's like asking for the best food to bowel movement transition.
I mean...I like Y2J because the rose tinted glasses are strongly melted into my eyes
To be fair to Cena, he has since said Dwayne was right and that he's apologized to him for his stance back in the days several times. Man was in the trenches and bled WWE colors during that time, so you get it.
I always thought that the best thing for Jericho to do was to get out of the ring and focus on commentary or other roles. He doesn’t need the spotlight but I think he’s earned the right to not be completely phased out. He has nothing left to prove. Hes had a great run. All he’s doing now is tarnishing the legacy out of ego
You guys actually made me fall asleep all the time 😂. I love your videos, but i swear you, but a sleep curse on me
Saaaame 😂
I put them on before I go to sleep
shawn michaels and aj styles would been a dream match a awesome match
My heart breaks for the 4 dudes who had to work through that DX/ BOD match. Injuries and accidents plagued that one.
That was pretty sad, especially since the same match when they were in their prime could've torn the house down.
The difference between John and Dwayne is simply the fact that even though John left for acting he has never disputed giving WWE their cut from his profits as he has said he owes WWE everything. Dwayne used to be Dwayne "the rock" Johnson in his movies but after dropping the rock name from the screen he noticed he gets more money. Dwayne is all ego and John is more humble
To be fair to HBK, though, he was STILL the best performer in that match. lol
To really be fair to HBK, he wasn't expected to do a lot in the match. Triple H was reported to have said he was to do most of the work for his team in the match, but he got injured early in the match.
in 2019 he was tired of his Dean Ambrose gimmick. Now in 2025, I'm tired of his Jon Moxley gimmick...
By this point I call him "guy that bleeds in every match"
Edge might be the best WWE to AEW guy currently.
1:43 CM Punk, first appearance. Even Jim Cornette praised Tony for not getting involved in it and letting Punk do his thing
Swerve Strickland was the best AEW jump.
Kevin Nash was around 40yo when he won championships in WCW, Y2J is 50+... And i like Y2J as champion
There's also Roman Reigns hating part-time champions and becoming one in 2022
If I was someone from DX, I'd send Shawn and Hunter a card every year reminding them they are now feds and can suuuuuuck it haha🤣 as a rib of course
Punk becoming the veteran who refuses to put anyone over. Hence, he has always been that way, just not a veteran.
What culture updating quality stuff in 2025 nice.
I think Moxley is becoming what he hated now too; pushing his story and assuming it’s great to dwindling ratings, just like Vince.
Shawn Michaels coming back for one more match was good, because number 1 people will now sftu about having another match as they see e is cooked. and number 2 being retired doesn't mean that you will never wrestle again, it just means that you awill never work again in your life, it just means committed to that role and you are free to do whatever you want, so a match here and there over a large amount of time isn't out of the question
John Cena ditching the WWE for Hollywood is different from when The Rock did it. Cena was a full time wrestler much longer than The Rock was and he was much older when he made the switch. The Rock was at his physical peak when he left for Hollywood (was he even 30?).
Jericho basically just became axel rose
I also feel like rock and cena are different cause rock went part time at 30. Cena was at least a solid 40 when he would go months without being on tv.
Will smith’s biggest problem long before the slap was his ego. He turned down Django because he thought he knew more about making movies than terentino. MiB was his chance to be humble, show the studios he wasn’t a liability, and he blew it. 70 million for any movie is a ridiculous payday, and he wants 110? A salary like that has too high a chance of blowing the budget and making in an instant flop. Sony should have offered him 15mil max, and that is being generous
How does THAT relate to wrestling? This isn't about celebs who became what they wish they weren't.
@@HansenSebastian lol! i was typing it on a different video, and then it switched to this one while i was typing
The best jump to AEW was CM Punk.
your thumbnail has me trying to figure out how chris jericho transformed into Nash.
HBK should not be on this list. Yes, DX vs the Brothers of Destruction was a terrible match, but HBK was literally the only one who looked good. Sure he wasn’t the Shawn of old, but he hadn’t wrestled in almost 10 years, unlike everyone else involved. He was the only one who didn’t embarrass himself in that match.
I’m miserable every time I have to watch Mox.
Except HBK came out of retirement for the wrestlemania in Dallas when Foley, HBK and Austin jumped Rusev Barret and Shemus
The first 2 didn’t become what they hated… you guys were struggling for 10 pics huh?
Jericho did not became what he hated , hell nah , he is someone who works with younger talents to give them spotlights and help and train them a bit , when Jericho was in WCW no one did this for him
You know vinces la idea was dumb because maxxine got a whole gimmick change as well. The other two left and carried on the gimmick but it still hasnt gotten them over.
Special mention : Shawn Michaels in ‘96 really didn’t like the idea of being a ‘white meat’ babyface 😆
I remember when Jericho first came to AEW with the “inner Circle” and I said (and a lot of neck beards laughed at me) it was Hulk Hogan and the NWO B-team. And the neck beards are still crying. And I’m right.
HBK looked like the only one in that match who might have a handful left in him. Everything else around him fell apart...
I see a lot of people mentioning Punk. But what really has killed his character for me, is I never thought i'd see him do the opening Rah Rah speech for an episode of Raw, especially one so corporate sounding.
This past Monday he went on Raw, thanked Netflix (dafuq?), and then acknowledged the firefighters in LA like they were an indigenous tribe or Roman Reigns. The second one is less heinous, but Pipebomb Phil doesn't seem like the guy that should be giving that speech. But I guess CM Corporate does.
Chris Jericho should've just retired before he hit 50. Being irrelevant is part of the business, you can't stay at the top forever in a young man's game. It is best to go out on top while you still can instead of grasping what you have left in relevance.
john cena has given us about 15 years of his life on tv and don't forget the injuries. The rock gave us maybe 8 years and went ghost.
the rock also put more people over in 8 years than cena did in those 15 years, he has every rights to leave
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 who did the rock really put over?
not that it matters
Why isn’t this video just called People Who Were Completely Disillusioned by Vince?
Where was the most glaringly obvious one of all time? CM Punk? He hated part timers stealing spots and now that is exactly what he's doing, making him the ultimate hypocrite.
I was 4 when the Rock starred in The Mummy returns and I was happy for him.
Ambrose said he wanted to be resigned with WWE in a number of interviews again off the make so many points
Best WWE to AEW would have to be Brodie Lee
Being pro Rock doesn't mean you guys have to ignore Cena's 2015-17 full time run. Plus Cena even did Rock's acting job better than him 😂🤷🏾♂️
Cena is also easier to deal with one movie sets and doesn't make demands like the Rock.