I looked into Chinese excavators. I went with a used kubota. Cat is junk if you want a simple machine. Cat uses electric over hydrolic. They are fast. The feel isn't there. I run machines for a living. I have run about everything. Some are fast some are slow. I rented a Yanmar 17 few years ago. It wasn't very impressive. Kubota for what I have run so far. They have impressed me for what they can do. Price range of a used machine. You can't beat it. Their engines are very reliable. They have made tractors for years. I got a KX41-3V 1300 hours for $14,000. Parts I can get anywhere. Buckets, teeth, exc. I may get a bigger one. But, It's done everything for me just fine. Some kubotas have angle blade. That's awesome very handy in every way.
Hey Michael, I see that you have experience with these machines. I have no experience at all, could you help me out please? I want to put machines for rent and I thought of beginning with a mini excavator and read the brand CAT is good. What do you think? Which model would be the best option and/or do you recommend another brand?
The Chinese machine with a enclosed cab is a great deal for a gentlemen farmer but if you need the machine for work everyday the Yanmar is probably worth the investment.
The skinnier bucket will slice into the ground much easier; this was not a real digging comparison between machines, only the buckets. Swap buckets then see how it goes.
The Chinese machine was labouring fairly hard when trying to break out but that could be the bucket as well. Either way it’s still a very capable machine. For the price it sure beats hiring one all the time.
In the towing, you should have used the scoop to get the truck moving and then see if the tracks alone could maintain it once initial inertia was overcome.
There's a lot of videos on Chinese equipment out there. I like this one because you've done a fair comparison between a quality machine and a budget Chinese excavator. Most guys who buy those Chinese loaders and diggers are DIY'ers and homeowners who don't use the equipment daily in a commercial setting.
This past spring i was in the position of either buying a brand new chinese 3 ton or a 20 year old Kobelco 3 ton and decided to go with the Kobelco. I know theres parts available and the chinese quality is just not there yet. i have putchased chinese attachments in the past and have always spent money on repairs or having to get parts custom machined to work.
I’m at these cross roads as well. Chinese parts are relatively cheap compared to big brand machines. Imagine replacing a track motor on a Chinese one vs kubota or cat ect. $600 for a Chinese one and it would be at least a few thousand for the latter.
Ive loved useing the yanmar as a rental for our projects. That said, we are considering buying the Agro so we can spread out jobs and not be in such a rush. Looks like a solid platform. That said, def agree with the yanmar quality. Operating without pump whine and stable movement. The more expensive systems purr like a smooth cat. Also love the coke bottle layout vs obese tub o lard. But at less than half price and intermittent use its hard to complain about agro.
That wasn't even fair. It's like running the wrong end of a spoon through a bucket of ice cream vs the shovel end of the spoon. Most people that have multiple buckets for a full size or mini hoe could tell you a trenching bucket is easier on the pumps. The only real benefit I see is stability and traction.
It would have been interesting to see if you put both facing the truck and the blade down and then used the stick/boom/bucket curl to see if either one would have pulled the truck forward.
The Yanmar dug effortlessness. I could hear the other one straining when digging. A very nice machine, but wow 50K new? For wow, for the price difference the smaller one wasn’t all that bad. But how long would it last also would be extremely important. Nice video!
If buying Chinese 15K one after you get it as lots of people do is buy after market stuff to make improvements to make it better Perkins engine are good motors my dad had farm tractors that had Perkins engine in them and over 30 years later they are still running very strong
Well! Longevity depends on many factors. The Chinese stuffs like this machine runs for around 3 years and then off to the scrap yard. On the other hand, if you have extra parts and a proper mechanic service from the company that you bought it from, then you can make it work longer actually. Although, as I said, it all depends. My mate when he started off his gardening/landscaping company, he bought a cheap Chinese machine, and then bought a used Jcb from the profit of that. The most important aspects are service and spare parts!!
I look at it... If buying brand new if people have 50K to spend then yammer would be the way to go.. but if not then maybe the 15K is the way to go and Perkins engine is a good motor I had farm tractors with the same motor and here it is over 30 years later and they are still running very strong... And on any thing anyone buys there's always room for improvement to make it way better....
I found a hitachi zx60 with a cutting blade and cab for 15,000 dollars, this is shipping, insurance, and freight. The machine is 54 hp, and weighs 6 tons. Low hours in good shape. Is this a good deal? It ships out of china
I think the china unit has a fixed displacement pump, so it's just fast all the time. If it had a variable displacement pump like every other machine. I think it'll give that yanmar a run for its money... But it's built at a price point.
for extra pulling power you want as much weight to the back of the machine for as much advantage as possible. you also risk flipping over backwards, but thats the balance. Also you V tread was the wrong direction for best traction. Great video though
Yanmar is absolutely NOT an offbrand. They have probably better engines than Kubota and I own Kubota stuff. I plan to get an Yanmar SV40 in the coming months,
It’s not even a question if your contracting . The down time on that Chinese machine when running it 9 hrs a day would be horrendous. Chinese one would be ok for the weekend warrior .
Great comparison! Now let’s see you add some air conditioning on that Chinese mini! I went at looked at the same excavator at Richie bros auction in Tipton and the headliner had fallen down on that one too 😂
(A lot of times) If you're *just digging dirt* and *not lifting* a heavy load, it's better to have the *blade at the back;* ..to get that *dig force* and not pop the front end up every time :-)
Takeuchi used to run yanmar engines and were dead nuts reliable but then the feds and there exhaust laws hit and they swapped to kubota engines.... just not the same machines since then...
great video man. made me laugh a few times. Im seriously interested in buying a machine from china. I'm looking at a 4 Ton excavator. Im up in the great white north here in Canada but id imagine the prices would be similar. what are you all in after imports and buying it from the factory?
Look at UHI brand, i went to see them in person and they are the best looking chinese diggers. They really are the highest quality of them. I ordered a UME12P. They are a little pricier than the generic chineese but i think they're worth it.
The snaller excavator are not like thr bigger one. Use the boom an stick along with the bucket. Insted just curling the bucket like you done with chinese one. In my opinion they have there advantages but both are weak. An you have a bigger bucket on the chinese one so its going make the surface area plowing in a lil harder verse a smaller bucket.
@@dig_it_starnes5222 They are absolute turds that’s for sure. My 262b gets used more than the 259d. Should have got a skid with the yanmar but I’ve never had anything outside of CAT and JLG
All name brand components just lower end for a quarter the price it's a hydraulic pump 3 hydraulic motors and 5 hydraulic cylinders not much else to go wrong
the Perkins does. Very high reving compared to the Yanmar. The bogging has to do with the type, and quality of hydraulic pumps. Better designs and higher torque pumps can do more with less
I think ill stick with my Komatsu equipment. Komatsu equipment is by far the smoothest strongest dozers and hoes on the market in my opinion. I would take a Komatsu dozer over any brand period. By far the best dozers. That yanmar does look alot like a Komatsu mini.
Here me out here, if size and weight was exact I think china would have kept up with those test. Now as far as the pull test, the tread on china was running backwards. I almost wonder if it would have done it or broke. Lol
Ive watched every one of these chinese tractor videos youve done. Are the name brand ones better? Of course! Are they 3 times better??? Im thinking not... Especially not for the diy just likes to play woth giant toys kinda guy like me...
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Great video comparison. This may help the Chinese manufacturing to up its parts and quality, and companies ie @Yanmar to reduce theirs as more and more of these imports flood the U.S/Canadian/worldwide market.
This guy is clearly biased for the yanmar even though the chinese machine kicked it's ass in the lifting and very negligible difference otherwise which could be operator error. Sad.
@@dig_it_starnes5222 my dealer hasn't heard anything on that yet. Still have Hitachi/deere on the lot. Wacker cant even keep up with there own manufacturing. I would never purchase anything other than minis built in Japan. Us builds junk . Sad but true
@@dig_it_starnes5222 doesn't mean anything. Every deere machine built to date is Hitachi. Contract ended yes but deere still purchasing from Hitachi. I did hear about wacker a while back haven't seen anything. And if deere designed there own larger lines not going to happen over night .
@@dig_it_starnes5222 Pity, Japan revolutionized modern excavators with precise controls and much-higher pressures. They ran rings around the 215/225/235/245 Cat stuff at 75% of the price. Cat threw in the towel after a few years and partnered with Mitsubishi to learn how to build a modern excavator. We bought a new grey market Cat EL200B- came with a Mitsubishi engine for about half what Cat wanted for the exact same (except Cat-powered) machine sold domestically. The Mitsubishi engine was fantastic - quiet/fuel-efficient and zero problems.
Think he said $14K at auction. Can buy from the distributor for $19K. They are putting these on auction around the country - saw one sell for $10K and another as high as $21K, with median around $16K (need to add in buyer's premium for auction prices). Even at $19K+tax, I think they may make sense for small ranch/homestead. But at $20K, you are getting close to used prices for older name-brand machines (maybe $25K range). Personally, I'd pay more to find a good used name-brand - they are so much more precise/user-friendly than Chinese stuff (better hydraulic pumps/motors/valves/design).
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I looked into Chinese excavators. I went with a used kubota. Cat is junk if you want a simple machine. Cat uses electric over hydrolic. They are fast. The feel isn't there. I run machines for a living. I have run about everything. Some are fast some are slow. I rented a Yanmar 17 few years ago. It wasn't very impressive. Kubota for what I have run so far. They have impressed me for what they can do. Price range of a used machine. You can't beat it. Their engines are very reliable. They have made tractors for years. I got a KX41-3V 1300 hours for $14,000. Parts I can get anywhere. Buckets, teeth, exc. I may get a bigger one. But, It's done everything for me just fine. Some kubotas have angle blade. That's awesome very handy in every way.
Hey Michael, I see that you have experience with these machines. I have no experience at all, could you help me out please?
I want to put machines for rent and I thought of beginning with a mini excavator and read the brand CAT is good. What do you think? Which model would be the best option and/or do you recommend another brand?
The Chinese machine with a enclosed cab is a great deal for a gentlemen farmer but if you need the machine for work everyday the Yanmar is probably worth the investment.
not whenyou can buy three chinese
You have the best channel for heavy equipment content, incredibly funny and informative at the same time.
A narrow and deep bucket would make a huge difference on the cheap excavator
The skinnier bucket will slice into the ground much easier; this was not a real digging comparison between machines, only the buckets. Swap buckets then see how it goes.
The Chinese machine was labouring fairly hard when trying to break out but that could be the bucket as well. Either way it’s still a very capable machine. For the price it sure beats hiring one all the time.
It's not about speed or towing on a jobsite, but price point and excavating power or lift
In the towing, you should have used the scoop to get the truck moving and then see if the tracks alone could maintain it once initial inertia was overcome.
I’ve owned a yanmar for 11 years the best small tractor for the money. Work horse. Sips fuel. Thanks from. Sc
Just posted a video of my Chinese mini excavator paired up with the TMK 150 tree sheer! Crazy how productive you can make a cheap machine!
$15,000 vs $50,000 - no need to go any further.
Plus parts for these Chinese machines are way cheaper than any big brand machines
There's a lot of videos on Chinese equipment out there. I like this one because you've done a fair comparison between a quality machine and a budget Chinese excavator. Most guys who buy those Chinese loaders and diggers are DIY'ers and homeowners who don't use the equipment daily in a commercial setting.
Exactly right!
Well duhh 😂
Thanks for the obvious
That’s not fair! He should be using a $50,000 Chinese excavator for comparison 😂. It would crush the Yanmar.
This past spring i was in the position of either buying a brand new chinese 3 ton or a 20 year old Kobelco 3 ton and decided to go with the Kobelco. I know theres parts available and the chinese quality is just not there yet.
i have putchased chinese attachments in the past and have always spent money on repairs or having to get parts custom machined to work.
I’m at these cross roads as well. Chinese parts are relatively cheap compared to big brand machines. Imagine replacing a track motor on a Chinese one vs kubota or cat ect. $600 for a Chinese one and it would be at least a few thousand for the latter.
tbh for alot of usecases and applications, the chinese one is a no brainer for 15k. thats some value, especially if you can add aircon ;D
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Great video! Subscribed. We’ve literally just been talking about this very thing.
Yanmar makes excellent tractors as well. Excellent equipment all around , my vote is Yanmar but hard to justify the cost comparison.
Loving this comparison. Greetings from Springfield Missouri 🤘
The Yanmar isn't $30,000 better...
Ive loved useing the yanmar as a rental for our projects. That said, we are considering buying the Agro so we can spread out jobs and not be in such a rush. Looks like a solid platform. That said, def agree with the yanmar quality. Operating without pump whine and stable movement. The more expensive systems purr like a smooth cat. Also love the coke bottle layout vs obese tub o lard. But at less than half price and intermittent use its hard to complain about agro.
Hell yeah finally the full video!
Hope you enjoyed
Hmm so by going with the Yanmar I can save about 10 seconds when digging a shallow grave. Good to know, good to know 🤫
That wasn't even fair. It's like running the wrong end of a spoon through a bucket of ice cream vs the shovel end of the spoon. Most people that have multiple buckets for a full size or mini hoe could tell you a trenching bucket is easier on the pumps. The only real benefit I see is stability and traction.
How much extra you paying for that 5 seconds got me messed up lol. Have fun with that
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@@jleighgod8149 You mean “USA made “ even then most parts aren’t even made in USA
The cheap digger sounds like it’s about to stall out every time it takes a scoop. The Yama has a constant rev when digging
It would have been interesting to see if you put both facing the truck and the blade down and then used the stick/boom/bucket curl to see if either one would have pulled the truck forward.
50k vs 15 K ! i will take 15 k for DIY projects ! My local dealer wants 24 k for same Chinese exc
Pump is made by same co. as most, Eaton. I have one.
China is cheaper pump 40$
not Eaton
At least your a pro and not some.....( Insert description here). And have practical knowledge of trenching and dirt work. Love the channel
Even the cheap one is too expensive for me 😂but with that sorta money I’d deffo buy a modern tractor
The Yanmar dug effortlessness. I could hear the other one straining when digging. A very nice machine, but wow 50K new? For wow, for the price difference the smaller one wasn’t all that bad. But how long would it last also would be extremely important. Nice video!
Yanmar also had a narrower bucket which makes it easier to pull through the ground
If buying Chinese 15K one after you get it as lots of people do is buy after market stuff to make improvements to make it better Perkins engine are good motors my dad had farm tractors that had Perkins engine in them and over 30 years later they are still running very strong
Well! Longevity depends on many factors. The Chinese stuffs like this machine runs for around 3 years and then off to the scrap yard. On the other hand, if you have extra parts and a proper mechanic service from the company that you bought it from, then you can make it work longer actually. Although, as I said, it all depends. My mate when he started off his gardening/landscaping company, he bought a cheap Chinese machine, and then bought a used Jcb from the profit of that. The most important aspects are service and spare parts!!
I look at it... If buying brand new if people have 50K to spend then yammer would be the way to go.. but if not then maybe the 15K is the way to go and Perkins engine is a good motor I had farm tractors with the same motor and here it is over 30 years later and they are still running very strong... And on any thing anyone buys there's always room for improvement to make it way better....
I found a hitachi zx60 with a cutting blade and cab for 15,000 dollars, this is shipping, insurance, and freight. The machine is 54 hp, and weighs 6 tons. Low hours in good shape. Is this a good deal? It ships out of china
Is it legit? A lot of stuff is counterfeit in China.. Great price but make sure it's real
If you're going to test two machines try and put a experience driver on them
Agreed, and use the same bucket!
I think the china unit has a fixed displacement pump, so it's just fast all the time.
If it had a variable displacement pump like every other machine. I think it'll give that yanmar a run for its money...
But it's built at a price point.
Gotta support a local youtuber
for extra pulling power you want as much weight to the back of the machine for as much advantage as possible. you also risk flipping over backwards, but thats the balance. Also you V tread was the wrong direction for best traction. Great video though
Great video very well made keep it up
I've heard it said that the Japanese focus on quality and the Chinese focus on reducing the cost as much as possible.
The Yanmar appears to have a bigger bucket which would move more material in the same time .
If it takes 30 seconds to dig half a hole, how long does it take to dig a whole hole?
Yanmar is absolutely NOT an offbrand. They have probably better engines than Kubota and I own Kubota stuff. I plan to get an Yanmar SV40 in the coming months,
Yanmar is definitely not an "off-brand", like you said.
Can I ask if you know how to get to the battery?
Im curious about how that Ali Express unit you gave away compares. lol
He did a video on comparing those two already
Did a video!ruclips.net/video/aHSiWWRl3dU/видео.html
i would have to say Kubota and Hitachi are my favorite
It’s not even a question if your contracting . The down time on that Chinese machine when running it 9 hrs a day would be horrendous. Chinese one would be ok for the weekend warrior .
Very surprised they couldn't pull the truck.
Great video yet again love it man so glad u got a big one to try out
Great comparison! Now let’s see you add some air conditioning on that Chinese mini! I went at looked at the same excavator at Richie bros auction in Tipton and the headliner had fallen down on that one too 😂
Can the pumps be replaced on the Chinese machine, and if so, how much approximately to replace them?
Standard Eaton pump
How much would it cost to retrofit the Chinese excavators (small and bigger one) with new hydraulic hoses with quick release fittings?
try popular chinese brands Liugong, Sany, XCMG, SDLG
(A lot of times)
If you're *just digging dirt* and *not lifting* a heavy load, it's better to have the *blade at the back;* ..to get that *dig force* and not pop the front end up every time :-)
That's not been my experience at all.
Great test! Moar!
Iv ran the yanamar an I told super to haul it to the scrap. Could pick nothing up very weak
Great info, means alot for us China machine buyers! Thx
For 35k you could buy yourself a decent used truck and trailer to haul it, maybe a case of beer too
More expensive wins. It's obvious because it cost 3 times more. But... is it 3 times better than cheap one?
Im gonna have to sub to this channel😂. Keep them coming i cant wait for the next one👍👍👍
You know if you swap few parts the china ones work great for about 90% for what most people will use them for
All you gotta do is lower the acceleration and you would have better control on the cheap one 😂
JCB make a really nice digger with brilliant hydraulic package but maybe not going to the US.😊
Love Yanmar!!
Im shocked you only have 10k subs. Your channel will blow up with content like this
I hope so man! glad you like it
Yanmar are in all of the sub 50hp class John Deere tractors. Surprised anyone would try to knock a product with decades of reliability.
I like how he always speak equally and give them a fair opinion!!
diesel creek intro , anyone else notice that?
Takeuchi used to run yanmar engines and were dead nuts reliable but then the feds and there exhaust laws hit and they swapped to kubota engines.... just not the same machines since then...
great video man. made me laugh a few times. Im seriously interested in buying a machine from china. I'm looking at a 4 Ton excavator. Im up in the great white north here in Canada but id imagine the prices would be similar. what are you all in after imports and buying it from the factory?
Look at UHI brand, i went to see them in person and they are the best looking chinese diggers. They really are the highest quality of them. I ordered a UME12P. They are a little pricier than the generic chineese but i think they're worth it.
as the old saying goes , compare apples to apples . not oranges to lemons. but for me and my little place the Chinese would do just great.
Little biased but good video but you put the same bucket on both then you get same results but for a regular guy the Chinese wins hands down
The snaller excavator are not like thr bigger one. Use the boom an stick along with the bucket. Insted just curling the bucket like you done with chinese one. In my opinion they have there advantages but both are weak. An you have a bigger bucket on the chinese one so its going make the surface area plowing in a lil harder verse a smaller bucket.
you started the cheap one pulling the truck where the other 1 stopped been able to pull it
How about use them for 10 years and then do a comparison.
Caterpillar is not running Perkins anymore. My 259d3 has a Kubota
they use to a lot in the multi terrain loaders. apparently the 3.3 Kubota has noting but problems with CAT and Tak machines
@@dig_it_starnes5222 They are absolute turds that’s for sure. My 262b gets used more than the 259d. Should have got a skid with the yanmar but I’ve never had anything outside of CAT and JLG
I mean the bucket is half the size on the cheapo one so not really equal is it
Nante?
Perfect ❤
Iam sure the chain drive system creates slop in the movement.
Most concerning to me about Chinese equipment is you’re one component away from owning a boat anchor. After sales support is crucial .
All name brand components just lower end for a quarter the price it's a hydraulic pump 3 hydraulic motors and 5 hydraulic cylinders not much else to go wrong
There's no way that thing make 25 hp.
The yanmar engine, supposedly lower hp, dig harder and never ever bog down.
the Perkins does. Very high reving compared to the Yanmar. The bogging has to do with the type, and quality of hydraulic pumps. Better designs and higher torque pumps can do more with less
Let’s put a JCB To the test
I think ill stick with my Komatsu equipment. Komatsu equipment is by far the smoothest strongest dozers and hoes on the market in my opinion. I would take a Komatsu dozer over any brand period. By far the best dozers. That yanmar does look alot like a Komatsu mini.
Both need More Cowbell!
Lmao
Everything needs more cowbell
Well....similar in specs but looks like your kidneys stayed intact on the yanmar. Did you enjoy the bronc ride on the chinexcavator?😅
Cool ❤
Here me out here, if size and weight was exact I think china would have kept up with those test. Now as far as the pull test, the tread on china was running backwards. I almost wonder if it would have done it or broke. Lol
would need back surgery after owning the china one. like to see how many repairs would have to be done after a few thousand hours.
They put the loop on the back of the bucket for a reason
There isn’t one on the Chinese mini. Was trying to keep it fair
I like Yanmar and Takeuchi better than cat, bobcat and John Deere.
Ive watched every one of these chinese tractor videos youve done. Are the name brand ones better? Of course! Are they 3 times better??? Im thinking not... Especially not for the diy just likes to play woth giant toys kinda guy like me...
AGT What is the company?
Agrotk is the same I believe.
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yanmar is great
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Did you call locates in before you dug? Safety first, lol
Great video comparison. This may help the Chinese manufacturing to up its parts and quality, and companies ie @Yanmar to reduce theirs as more and more of these imports flood the U.S/Canadian/worldwide market.
yanmar is far from offbrand. they make all the deere motors
Can you compare LiuGong with Yanmar?
This guy is clearly biased for the yanmar even though the chinese machine kicked it's ass in the lifting and very negligible difference otherwise which could be operator error. Sad.
Yanmar is the best for your money. The very best is Deere. Between the machines shown, the Yanmar is the only machine I would spend money on.
Deere minis are 1000000% Hitachi machines built in Japan.
Not anymore. Their contract ended. I believe wacker neuson will make the frames starting soon
@@dig_it_starnes5222 my dealer hasn't heard anything on that yet. Still have Hitachi/deere on the lot. Wacker cant even keep up with there own manufacturing. I would never purchase anything other than minis built in Japan. Us builds junk . Sad but true
@@dig_it_starnes5222 doesn't mean anything. Every deere machine built to date is Hitachi. Contract ended yes but deere still purchasing from Hitachi. I did hear about wacker a while back haven't seen anything. And if deere designed there own larger lines not going to happen over night .
@@dig_it_starnes5222 Pity, Japan revolutionized modern excavators with precise controls and much-higher pressures. They ran rings around the 215/225/235/245 Cat stuff at 75% of the price. Cat threw in the towel after a few years and partnered with Mitsubishi to learn how to build a modern excavator. We bought a new grey market Cat EL200B- came with a Mitsubishi engine for about half what Cat wanted for the exact same (except Cat-powered) machine sold domestically. The Mitsubishi engine was fantastic - quiet/fuel-efficient and zero problems.
@@dig_it_starnes5222those are for markets outside the US. Theyre still Hitachi until Deere has their own design up and going
How much did you actually pay for the unit and where did you buy? Thank you!
Think he said $14K at auction. Can buy from the distributor for $19K. They are putting these on auction around the country - saw one sell for $10K and another as high as $21K, with median around $16K (need to add in buyer's premium for auction prices). Even at $19K+tax, I think they may make sense for small ranch/homestead. But at $20K, you are getting close to used prices for older name-brand machines (maybe $25K range). Personally, I'd pay more to find a good used name-brand - they are so much more precise/user-friendly than Chinese stuff (better hydraulic pumps/motors/valves/design).
You might prefer yanmar over bobcat,,,but it is still an off brand machine....
Korea's Doosan bought Bobcat - I'd take Japanese-built Yanmar's vs Korean-built Bobcat's.