Andrew Callaghan NPR Interview for This Place Rules at WBUR Boston
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2023
- 1/15/22 second update: @andrewcallaghan7333 has posted a new video ( • In Response ) relating to recent news. Thank you Andrew for finally addressing the allegations, and outlining steps to work on yourself. Please take the opportunity to set an example for how to improve going forwards.
1/15/22 update: Reiterating what I wrote in my pinned comment and said in my followup video ( • Introducing myself aft... ), I strongly encourage Andrew and @Channel5RUclips to take the allegations seriously, apologize for wrongdoing, work to chart a better course forwards that ensures this sort of thing does not happen again, and also allow a variety of different budding journalists to take turns getting more chances with interviewing and leadership roles at @Channel5RUclips .
1/10/22 update: I have added a pinned comment discussing the emerging allegations that I learned about after filming and posting this video.
I put together videos I recorded with Andrew Callaghan of @Channel5RUclips fielding questions in a sometimes heated interview with Robin Young at WBUR Boston, after a screening of his documentary This Place Rules, about divisive media and politics leading up to the 2020 election and Jan 6.
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Who's here after the Lex Fridman podcast with Andrew? Ayyyyyyyyyy
Fr I love lex
Me!
He did a good job. The last Zuckerberg and Lex interview with the AI goggles made me tear up. We live in interesting times. Elon musk is a fraud.
Yup!
I'm not a huge fan of Lex's style and it bugged me that he pronounced Andrew's last name wrong every time he said it, but I'm thrilled that he posts a friggin 3-hour interview with someone like Andrew Callaghan and ends up getting such good content out there.
the audience laughing at how horrible her questions are restores my faith in humanity
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This, this is what I was coming to say as well. I’m hoping these type of events can spark something in more ppl to wake the fuck up to the Hegelian dialects and manipulation on both sides.
I thought it was pretty rude and unproductive, she seemed pretty unfazed but generally it feels like a bad idea to mock someone when they’re attempting to grasp such an important message.
@@lifeoffryan always good to see a comrade with the dialectics in yt chat
@@ezanaassefa1203 It's very clear she did not want to grasp Andrew's message, old guard journalist types close themselves to criticism of media as a whole, that much was made clear with Andrew's interview on CNN where the older journalist got unreasonably mad
This was 28 minutes of this lady proving Andrew's point about the media dividing us
NPR lady “ you should correct people when they’re wrong “
Andrew “ you’re wrong “
Legendary
timestamp?
Don’t think he says that directly and the commenter above is paraphrasing
At 13:10 she asks “Talk about your methods. Because you don’t correct them in real time?” And he responds “Yeah. It doesn’t work”
its an important question. good job on her
Its such an american thing that the interviewer needs to only ask friendly question..
@@folepi7995 that's not at all what journalism is supposed to be lol. It's to report the facts, not correct people.
Also no, it does not work. It clearly does not change people's minds when you argue with them about politics. It makes them worse.
2:01 he refutes by saying “That’s not what the movie’s a about”
She's not asking questions, she's narrating her POV.
"93% peaceful..." LOL. That is a very specific percentage.
this is the problem. couldn't of said it better
This lady is the physical embodiment of the Managerial Class
The glasses and the lilt to her voice give it away - she's there to lay down the outlines of high status vs. low status beliefs.
@@payleryder45 liberal pretentiousness personified
Thx Lex for interviewing Andrew! Wouldn’t have heard about this interview otherwise. & huge thx to Rob for recording
lol Andrew is super smart. He owned this lady.
Same
You’re welcome! Where in the Lex interview did this come up? I skipped through it but haven’t watched it from end to end yet.
@@theinfatuatedthinkerlike 1 hour 52 min into the episode on Spotify he names this interview you recorded!
21:55 prophetic
Andrew: "Fox is definitely mainstream media." Woman: "But they lie.. how's that mainstream?" *crowd laughs at her*
MSN has about a 49% truth rating. Fox is closer to 90%.
crazy, you can literally hear the crowd asking 'what?' when she asks the Alex Jones question, pretty shitty journalism on her part tbh.
This is what happens when you choose someone to interview Andrew who has never seen a single second of any of his content except for the movie
💯
@@j.7106 She’s referencing the beginning of the movie where he talks about how he originally got started/ went viral lol. If you think this neolib boomer npr host is an og fan of Andrew, sorry but that is absolutely hilarious. She has no fucking clue. Also I have no idea what you mean when you say my comment is proving his point
Nah, if she had seen every moment of Andrew's content she would come to the same conclusion. And that's a her problem.
@@TravisRiver Definitely a fair point lmao. She just seems so unprepared and is asking questions he’s already answered many times
I don’t think she’s actually seen the documentary based on her questioning.
Rob is a straight legend for releasing this absolute masterpiece
Thanks! I’m inspired by Andrew to start making more of my own documentary content here around Boston now
@@theinfatuatedthinker You should go for it!
Rob ftw
We ❤ rob!
@@theinfatuatedthinker gonna subscribe with notifications so i can see this someday! i also really wanna make character study docs someday
I hope Andrew realizes that NPR is no different than the rest of the mainstream media.
She started the interview with an insult towards her GUEST!
NPR has fallen so low. This interview disgusts me
She is the key example of the message behind Andrew’s movie.
eeeexactly. and she doesn’t even realize it
not really. npr is on a different level than cnn or fox.
she asked unconftable question. but thats what an interviewer should do so he can position himself
@@folepi7995 that’s the issue, journalists should hold no position whatsoever. For her to ask questions that pigeon hold him to make a stand that he may not necessarily believe in is what Andrew has been fighting against. Journalists are meant to report what’s going on with no opinion towards it whatsoever. He said it himself every person he interviewed didn’t think that he was on their side, simply just getting their stories out.
@@folepi7995 NPR themselves have been very left leaning for a while now, toward the latter of the Trump administration they didn’t hold back on their stance on the political scale. It was sad to see.
@@NamoromaN did you actually read some articles? on the matter of covid i was positively excited that they provided the most sources out of all american newsoutlets i could find.
for context. im not american
The stark contrast between these two approaches to journalism is unbelievable. I’m incredibly excited for Callaghan’s generation to be the next wave of journalists!
there won't be, they will get rid of him before then.
@@lovedead564 he is already here
Only one is an actual journalist
its two different types of journalism...
npr compared to cnn and fox is professional...
It's amazing she starts letting her guard down toward the end of the video, and gets away from MSM brained questions.
Like just being in Andrews presence is enough to undumb yourself.
Andrew straight up feels like a vigilante journalist. Gets the job done better than anyone because he doesn’t play by the rules. This woman’s envy is almost palpable, and it feels like she’s masking it behind a veneer of so-called journalistic integrity and sound morality.
I mean can you blame her 🤣
Most journalists *used* to be very similar to Andrew, that’s ~why~ “they” had to make media what it is today, too many people calling “them” out.
Andrew is very clear about his influences and methods. He's doing Gonzo Journalism. Similar to how Hunter S. Thompson did things, but necessarily updated for the modern world. A lot of that is exactly what he said in the first 2 minutes of this video: "I only film people who were already exploiting themselves". Gonzo Journalism involves basically just "vibing" with your subject. You don't need to agree with them, you just need to shut up and go for the ride. And that brings a level of access and genuine revelation with the interview subject that, as you point out, this lady will never achieve trying to invite Jones or anyone else into a studio to do a formal interview.
Andrew is like a cross between Louis Theroux and Hunter s. Thompson. Watch what he does when interviewing people...he just follows them around and shuts up. He'll ask a question here and there but he's mostly just shooting the shit with them and knows that the people he's interviewing cannot abide silence so they'll keep talking without much prompting.
@@crabbyboy1585yes lol, anybody with a brain can tell you Alex Jones is a piece of shit and that there are satirical elements in Andrew’s journalism.
@@eldercrain Yeah he's mentioned that himself in interviews as his kind of main "strategy." Letting one's stream of consciousness flow uninterrupted yields some amazing results.
It’s hilarious listening to this woman today, in 2024, days after NPR is accused of having a liberal bias. I have a huge amount of respect for Andrew. Lex hosted a great interview.
Accused? Lol. NPR had been liberal propaganda for 15 years or more
I thought the same way.
NPR is still mainstream media. Liberal or not they barely covered Bernie Sanders because he wasn’t an establishment Democrat.
NPR has had a liberal bias for at least the last decade. It’s blatant. I used to yell at my radio on the way to work. I’ve since stopped torturing myself and just switched it off.
Have you EVER listened to NPR? You'd have to be an imbecile to listen to 10 minutes of NPR programming and not know they're super liberal...
I'm an almost 65-year-old former journalist turned copywriter. I loved Abbie Hoffman and Hunter Thompson as well as Edward R Murrow. I feel that Andrew is continuing their tradition of speaking truth to power, but in a way that doesn't condescend to people he disagrees with. I think he calls his interview approach "radical listening," and it's a perfect way to handle the inchoate babble on both sides. And I love how he showed this biased interviewer the benefits of nonjudgmental reporting. As my old Journalism professor kept hammering: "Show. Don't tell."
It's very important to see this interview uncut and unedited. This is so revealing. Thank you for posting it.
For sure, I was thrilled to film and post. There are a few smaller moments I missed when I ran out of phone memory and had to go delete some old videos.
@@theinfatuatedthinker I and many others seriously appreciate your efforts. :)
@@theinfatuatedthinker Hero
@@theinfatuatedthinker Seriously, thank you so much for posting!
@@theinfatuatedthinker thanks king, much luck in your future endeavors.
"But they lie. How is that mainstream?"
ARE YOU FOR REAL
What even is a ‘stream’? Where am I? Who gave Alex Jones a beverage??
I think the point was that part of being large is having accountability. Its like tax fraud where you can't nail every small, transient actor, so they can largely get away with being dishonest. But if a large company (that actually has money behind it) that can't simply rename or disappear makes that mistake, it's a totally different story. So you would expect "mainstream" to have to tell the truth because of liabilities. Unfortunately this doesn't actually play out because fox is mostly punditry (as Andrew points out), and they aren't held to the same standards of truth telling. If you read her as "how is that mainstream news reporting", I think it's less crazy sounding.
@@PsilovibeGraham They've all lied without retractions? I'm going to need a source on that one, chief. It's a night and day difference between 99% accurate reporting (with bias) and whatever the fuck Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones are doing. This is like saying I have "murderer" in common with the Zodiac Killer because I use hand sanitizer...
@@PsilovibeGraham Excellent sources, how could I have been so lost
When NPR has pieces literally written by Disney😂😂😂😂
This lady proving the point of his movie and not realizing it is fascinating.
doesnt she say at one point that she thinks its fascinating?
I absolutely love his comment about "slam dunking on them for viewership". I feel like that's how we get deeper in these divides. We do not approach the problem from understanding but approach from a perspective of "you're right and I'm wrong"
Slam dunked on her this whole interview
They are wrong tho.
@@futon2345 but even if that is the case, it does nothing but worsen the divide when you attack someone saying they're wrong. All they do is dig in.
I think we ought to do to them what the Chinese are purporting to do in XJ. Send them all to Idaho and patrol the state border with drones
I disagree with the they're right and I am wrong. Instead it should be "we both have different views and we are both right and wrong in certain ways, it's okay to be growing, and we should be open to talk about things and possibly change our minds." But that would take both sides viewing it that way. So in that sense I see where your wording would help to soften or remove the guards of adversaries so meaningful discussion could be had without either side tensioning and diving deeper into allusions
As sad as it is I think it is important for Andrew to do interviews like this every once in a while. This interview made me realize that there is still a massive disconnect between new or alt media compared to mainstream media. I know Andrew hates it, but it really shows a rabbit hole of narrative the NPR interviewer went down that many other mainstream reporters follow as well.
The elitism! As a Southerner and former right winger I can attest that we noticed. And so did people like Rush Limbaugh who took full advantage of our resentment to manipulate us.
Indeed. While I’m old enough to appreciate a little “decorum” in public discourse, too often the notion gets used by the center left as an excuse to bury their heads in the sand and blame everyone but themselves for the foothold the Alex Jone’s of the world got on their watch. It’s almost as if ‘decorum’ itself has become the center left’s dog whistle for shutting down (by shaming) anyone who’s lens or questions point at uncomfortable truths.
Same she was telling a damn story trying to ask simple ass questions. It was wild. He had the answers though.
Having said that though, kudos to her for doing the interview. At least she’s engaging with the newer/younger/alternative/thoughts/ways/ideas he’s putting out there. Importantly, she struck me as being sincere with her questions. Even if a little obtuse at times, I don’t think it was intentional. Him trying to contain his annoyance at her most (arguably, “offensive”) obtuse question so that he could answer it-is a good example of why I ever appreciated “decorum” in the first place…for its ability to allow a potentially enlightening conversation to continue. Good job Andrew!
it really felt like she had an agenda. her mind was made up and she wanted to "get" andrew to admit something predetermined.
I can't believe she thought mainstream meant you couldn't lie, holy shit 💀
thats not what she thought but ok
@@criznash Found her youtube account
When it basically means the opposite 😂
@@criznash what did she think?
She didn't actually think that. She just wants to portray that opinion of herself to her viewership.
This lady unreal...She is living so far away from reality in some kind of moral highground make believe bubble.
13:02 "yah it doesn't work"
This was my take-away from spending a little time on twitter trying to untangle people's complicated knots of misinformation. Imo people will only dig in their heels when confronted. Everybody's stressed, overworked, underappreciated, and grasping at straws.
This seems like the only thing that will glue this fracturing nation together
This might be the most useful interview about Andrews message toward his film... unintentionally by the interviewer. It highlights how fantastic of an Interviewer Andrew Callaghan is. His career will be even more massive.
unintentionally lol
interviewer did a great job asking good questions where andrew can position himself
His career is going somewhere alright 😂😂 how many women have come out now accusing him of SA and worse? His days are numbered
His career should be over, he’s a scumbag women abuser and overrated as hell. His content is unoriginal and lame. Just another street interviewer.
@@ap23z his interviews were good.
Since alot of people viewed him as pretty weird, they told him things you dont hear else
A shame that he destroyed his career
@@ap23z aged well
This honestly seems like a deleted scene from the doc.
Man. Brilliant call 😂
The press tour for this could have its own doc lol
If this was 2004, this would absolutely be a DVD bonus feature on disc 2
Came here to watch this after the Lex Fridman interview
I Understand this must have been a frustrating and even discouraging experience for Andrew but the footage speaks for itself, and it drives home the point he is making about the mainstream media. Hang in there Andrew, you’re doing something really special
this feels like historical moment in journalism. thanks for keeping it real Andrew. thanks for uploading rob
The amount of times Andrew is exasperated🥺 Oh my God dude must be exhausted but fucking killed it with every answer🙌
Thank you Rob for uploading this.
Bro thanks for taking the time to film this and put it together. Great watch. Love how the NPR journalist inadvertently just makes his points for him about how ingenuine mainstream media is, her takes on his documentary were just wild and I was so impressed with how Andrew handled her questions.
This is awesome to watch in light of NPR whistleblower Uri Berliner's article.
This conversation has edges, but it’s a really important example of the kinds of discomforts you have to navigate to discuss many of these things from a generational perspective.
Terrific.
dang, i hadn't thought of it like that - you are totally right though
this is me talking to my parents literally 2-3 times a month. its totally fine and natural. people vilifying her are dumb
@@andrewtregoningthey shouldn't be vilifying her...but their reasoning for it are valid
I’m here after watching his interview with Lex Fridman. This was after his press tour was canceled after what he said on cnn. This was the only interview he that wasn’t canceled.
He was going to appear on all the major late night shows, all of those went away when he dared to actually be a little critical of the media. This is why nothing changes, people don’t usually rock the boat and go along with the agenda and don’t step out of line. I respect his courage. This was also around the time the sexual misconduct stuff came out of nowhere, kind of makes you think
The best Andrew interview to date (with him as the interviewee) hands-down. The unintentional comedy felt like intentional satire.. chef’s kiss
It’s a fear of mine that I will wake up one day, an older man, grown out of touch with what the current generation is experiencing. to forget to keep learning by reduction-breaking down my hard built worldview to learn something from someone with fresh eyes. if you do not surrender, and try to see, you will be blind-doomed to repeat past mistakes of refusing to evolve in the process. I feel this is the gold Andrew is so good at driving home. many label him as a cynical deconstructionist, but he’s literally handing us the keys to the kingdom..
Fucking love this comment dude
@@velocityJE hey thanks!
Best comment. I'm a 42yo bartender. I have this fear... I'm Gucci doe. Lol. Keep listening to the bebe's 🥰🥰🥰 keeps me young.
Do shrooms every once in a while and be willing to learn and change
This comment resonates with me much. I'm so worried about losing something as I age because it feels like most of the older generation (even my dad, who's only 50) either never learned or have forgotten the exercise of empathizing and challenging yourself intellectually.
Andrews content, especially his earlier stuff, seems at first like it was just surrealist entertainment, but he and his team are extremely skilled and conscious of what they're doing.
You are a king in the Channel 5 discord for having this up
Dang didn’t know there was a discord!
Me either! I want in.
How do we get involved in the discord? Would love to join
@@amberkarasik2917 Join the patreon. Totally worth it for exclusive non-youtube edits or unreleased content and behind the scenes stuff plus merch discounts and generally neat people to interact with
@@MyrzFoco join the patreon. just 5 bucks a month but you get merch pre release discounts, unreleased content, and the discord to hang out in
"Andrew Callaghan in conversation with Louis Theroux" that's something I would love to see. Thank you for recording this, wonderful.
That crushed look when she starts out with "well hopefully now you'll listen." Is a real never meet your heros moment
This is an iconic piece of media thank you for uploading! For real, this interview could be a case study on the fall of old journalism and really speaks to the impact and integrity of Andrew Callaghan and his work
At least this lady seems somewhat redeemable by the end, loved the conversation about hunter s. Thompson what a wild ride this interview was
You’re welcome! I was also glad they had a positive conversation about the inspiration and the differences between Andrew and Hunter Thompson.
Totally agree. This is epic
Agreed. New vs old. Literally and figuratively. This is a journalistic moment in history.
@@theinfatuatedthinker Except to varying degrees they both equally misunderstand and/or misrepresent HST. It feels like neither of them have actually read even one entire collection of his essays.
So many good moments here Andrew. Handled the interview so well. Good shit!
Shout out to the photographer, you panned to the crowd and back with perfect timing whenever there was applause. Good zoom choices too 👏
Earned my sub. Thanks for filming and uploading this! Great to see Andrew in this interview. Definitely keep at it!
Have you heard the news?
Andrew is really singlehandedly influencing society in the absolute most important way possible right now. Helping teach young people to empathize with people who have different political backgrounds. He will be remembered for a long long time. Probably the most important journalist alive rn.
This woman is oblivious to anything outside her own echo chamber.
Thank you so much for recording this and uploading. Such an important distinction between legacy journalism and journalism now
Defund NPR
Huge respect for Andrew. He looks like he's consindering a walk off at a few points.
She didn't even seem to understand that leftist is different than liberal
Most Americans do not.
@@M00SE414especially superliberals
I didn’t understand and my friend had to set me straight now I do
Andrew is such a genuine person. Even when the cameras aren’t rolling he listens with intention to almost everyone he meets, and I think that’s why he’s so good at what he does.
This comment aged like fucking milk
thankful to have Andrew on this planet to document its bs in its truthful entirety, wish I could be his personal bodyguard. the world needs him. great filming all-around
It’s called nuance, and that is what Andrew is fantastic at. Beautifully done.
Such a breath of fresh air. Why is nuance so difficult to engage in for so many people?
lmao this dude is a literal serial predator rapist of women and you all are sucked in by his gay schmoozing
he is an exploitative narcissitic sociopath and his trail of rapes has caught up to him lmao
This interview was actually pretty pleasant toward the end, felt like there were some rocky bumps at the beginning but the two understood eachother a little better after that
I think she did an about face when seeing that the crowd was against her.
she had a major tone shift after he called out her accusatory line of questioning, it didnt feel like a genuine moment of understanding to me lol
@@IAMSTRINDOM agree
@@IAMSTRINDOM she could be just asking the questions on a lot of people's minds.
The drinking with Alex Jones is optically bad if you don't know who Andrew is, so maybe she asked so he could respond to those critics. My take is that she knows how good he is and how good this documentary is, and she is showing people how much integrity he has by letting him silence the extreme critics
Yeah I'm glad that happened, I think she was just not misinformed/out of touch, but luckily it turned around by the end
This conversation is really proving your points Andrew. You did a great job of keeping your cool and expressing your message.
Thanks for uploading! Dang i used to think Robin Young was alright, jeez. Thanks for posting! Andrew's the man
It's great to see Robin open up more towards the end when they discuss Hunter Thompson. You can see that sort of mainstream glaze crack and her journalist/talkshow passion come out.
That was honestly a nice fucking moment. Terrible interview otherwise
a couple times it seemed like she actually tales pride in referring to herself/NPR as "mainstream media" like "yea, i finally made it!" not realizing that everyone else distrusts that label as the mouthpieces of political and corporate interests.
This is man who watched early Louis Theroux and learned how to get conversation going instead of useless arguments
Thank you for recording Rob! Lex sent me here. Cheers brotha!
Rob you’re the goat for posting this, thank u!
It's bonkers how trying to understand someone has become problematic.
this convo had big kid explaining to their mom type energy
For those not from the Lex Friedman podcast, according to Andrew this host refused to shake his hand backstage before the event because, in her words, he'd been around people whose germs she didn't want. He also said she was wearing two stacked KN-95 masks, which you can see on her wrist throughout the interview.
Thanks for posting this. I had only seen a couple clips before I found this video.
More conversations like this need to be taking place. Either journalist is clearly uncomfortable but it’s so damn important we keep talking.
100%, and it’s nice to see two people w different viewpoints have a discussion without bringing their emotions into it
Andrew is a precious asset to the world and needs to be protected.
lol how do younfeel about him nownthat his lie ofna facade of a "good person" is revealed for the serial predator rapist that he is?
I agree 😂
He absolutely destroyed her
7:42 the look to the camera when the interviewer is willfully misinterpreting the point of the film
Yeah I felt like he had noticed me filming and was like “You getting this?”
This comment by her is a metaphor for this entire interview, except in this scenario, Andrew is the young kid, and she is the adult who can't see what he sees so clearly.
11:30 "The kid was the smartest, most clear-eyed...it was like a child was seeing what seems like a lot of other people couldn't see."
I was just thinking about this during the segment. So funny, what a perfect metaphor.
100% truth.
Yes, and I think Andrew felt that as well. That was a meta moment.
It’s truly amazing to watch her brain break in real time when Andrew isn’t fooled by her pointed questioning.
she got taken to school and never even realized it
@@daltonbedore8396 i think she realized it lol her confidence after that exchange noticeably diminished
@@bigf0ot25 which exchange in particular? Watched the whole video but I wanna see the exact moment she breaks lol
@justingreen575 The one at 5:00, she misunderstood Andrew's point about mainstream media, she was saying how can Fox news be mainstream is they lie, failing to see how fox news is mainstream (popular) in part due to lying and radicalising their viewers, which is what the movie is all about.
I think she still carries old hat views mainstream=credible, not the modern understanding mainstream=popular (regardless of veracity of news). You'd think someone living in a capitalist system and industry would understand that distinction, and it's very telling she doesn't, especially as it pertains to the 24 hr modern news cycle.
@@Regulo1d in context of the entire interview its clear she likes the label "mainstream media" for herself and really her ego cant process that other people view being "mainstream media" as a negative, untrustworthy label. i think that her ego really limited her ability to learn about what young people think "mainstream" means
Love how the audience was clearly there for him.
thank u for uploading this man
Lmaooooooo. This side of Andrew is incredible. Handled this so fucking well. 😂😂
Damn, if we all had Andrew's patience... what a saint
id be COOKING in that seat lol
Andrew is a gift to humanity, I hope humanity recognizes it.
Who is this? Our lord and savior ? There are many good journalists, and some have paid the ultimate price. Becareful who you build up. The future of media brought to you by HBO. Becareful who you build up.
props to everyone who watched this all the way through and saw them finally come to an agreement and find common ground at the end...
Well done Rob for releasing this. Amazing interview! Huge Andrew Callaghan & channel 5 news fan! The more he's interviewed by the mainstream the more I love him!
this really wasnt all that egregious. she asked him the obligatory MSM brained questions, which threw the vibe off early on, but kept it moving. tbh their hunter breakthrough was cute and im glad they ended on a positive note
I like how in this part Andrew flipped the script and asked her about Hunter.
yea for sure people watch the first 10 min and overreact in the comments
The way I saw it, she was a fan honestly. I think what Andrew does is culturally and morally complex, especially in this era. Undoubtedly some of the questions did come off as pointed but I don't think that was a lack of respect for Andrew it was her trying to get to the core of what makes what he does tick. You even saw how she pulled back the interview immediately after Andrew points out that the question is accusatory she tells him straight up that it is, but she respects him enough to believe he'll be able to represent himself. Even before that she talks about the Don Lemon interview where he was asked similar questions and wasn't given any of the engagement he was given here. They might have gotten off on the wrong foot but I do not think she's some out of touch old woman like streamers and comments are making her out to be.
@@dannybuchanan3661 yea that's how I interpreted it too. like, there are plenty of BAD interviewers out there...this lady doesn't strike me as one of them!
@@Patrick-pu5di absolutely. This was an interesting exchange and I'm happy Andrew was on npr.
This was an incredible interview. Sorry to Andrew because he looked really uncomfortable with some of the questions. I think that her pressing him the way she did gave him room to shine, because we would never have heard his incredible rebuttals, without her pressure. In the end, I think that we can give a little bit more credit to the veteran journalist, for asking the hard questions, and when Andrew had the right answer, crediting him for putting it to bed. Then joking like old pals at the end, her essentially admiring his journalistic style, placing him next to Hunter S Thompson. Amazing
This is the type of journalism BBC used to do frequently. By asking tough questions you allow people to defend their positions much better than throwing them softballs
She didn’t ask tough questions. She asked biased ones. She has a point of view instead of being neutral. He has nothing to defend.
@@ekuudehe had nothing to defend. She just attacked him without knowing his positions and also showed her bias to cutting back freedom of speech
Thank you Rob for allowing people to see how much NPR sucks when they can’t edit everything to sound they way that they want it to.
Although the interview felt like it started rocky, I appreciate the NPR interviewer finding common interests with Andrew, like meeting Hunter Thompson and hitch-hiking in her youth. Made the latter half much more playful and fun instead of hammering on the same political fear-mongering points.
Edit: Also awesome job getting this uncut version :D Keep up the great work!
You can tell she's lying about meeting him haha
@@roblofosho .... why? He was active in the 60s and 70s, Robin Young graduated college in 1972. Pretty believable that journalists would meet each other.
What are you basing that on?
It's possible. I only say that because she hesitated and wasn't sure whether to say she has or not.
I love seeing him do what I dreamed of at his age.
It's never too late to grab something to record your thoughts, be it a pen and paper, or a cellphone, and go out and talk to people.
Andrew may not dunk on a random interviewee, but he can easily dunk on other interviewers with their leading ass questions lol. Oh man, he's such a god damn gem!
thank you for posting this; it's been very helpful in unpacking and examining the phenomenon and content of Channel 5 in general and Andrew/This Place Rules in particular.
i think my takeaway is more sympathetic to the interviewer than most of the commenters and people in the crowd. her Alex Jones survivor question was really bad, i agree with Andrew's take on mainstream/liberal media, but he uses his disconnect from the system, which obviously resonated with the audience, to pressure the interviewer whenever he actually has to reflect on something. She is poignant at times, but they're not playing the same game. it's hard to address his self-styled ethics, or his views on his own branch of the journo business. everything is outmaneuvered, turned around, cards are suddenly held very close to the chest.
it shows a more calculating, controlling Andrew than you usually see in his persona. you can tell he's able to switch quickly and see rhetorical games play out in his head. he's not afraid of using the vocal part of the crowd (most of the people there?) in his advantage, or using the interviewers personal code against her, while mostly obscuring his own. you can see the outlines of his ego and the narrative he has about himself and how much of that he wants to share with the audience. which is interesting, considering the way he gets other people to share things with him and his audience that might not be beneficial to them in the long run.
i think this also says something about his friendships with Joker and that bass-smoking dude; they seem mentally unequipped to function in modern society, with poor prospects other than what they can get in the moment. Andrew has just sold a documentary to a top dog streaming service. i think, at best, he looks at them the way i look at my pets: sentient, i care for them, but definitely not my peers. at worst, i think they're just useful clowns in the circus of Channel 5.
The journalistic ethos of Andrew/Channel 5 and more broadly, the ‘gonzo’/Theroux style seems to center around the reporter allowing the subject to feel just comfortable enough to say the quiet part out loud and effectively sabotage themselves without interference that could be perceived as biased punditry. Andrew is obviously very aware of this effect, and it’s natural that he’d be keen to avoid trapping himself into the same mistakes that his subjects often make, let alone the trite and condescending gotcha strategies that we’ve all come to expect from mainstream/corporate media. If one says a single line that can be taken out of context, MSM will show no mercy in making that the headline and central focus of the piece.
Is it a bit sociopathic to hold one’s cards so tightly in order to maintain control of the conversation? Possibly. I think Andrew/C5 definitely uses its own form of ‘gotcha’ pretty often, like the crash zooms and out-of-context jump cut edits of outrageous characters. His format allows him to use the best tools from both traditional journalism and new media/entertainment whenever it’s convenient. That being said, his content is still refreshing and important because it provides more agency and respect to the subject and viewer to use their own head, at least compared to a traditional outlet full of biased opinions and pandering that feels palpable before an interview even begins.
@@mysticstylus thank you for responding.
i had a whole reply, but it's going to be tl;dr and i think i still have to piece some stuff together. once i do, i should probably not bombard someone with it in the comment section of a youtube video.
Andrew is better than Theroux, but i think the format is inherently problematic.
+ this might be exacerbated by the iconoclastic potential attibuted to Andrew and the perceived failure of "old style" journalism.
i should probably stop there, or else i never will. ;)
have a good one.
@@bobvp9434 I completely agree with your points. Channel 5’s format is much more effective than mainstream news at providing a deeper viewpoint of a subject on their own terms. And it has potential to be a positive influence upon the coming era of new-media journalism. But remaining in the grey area of authentic news and entertainment is both its greatest strength and weakness. I find this to be the biggest reason why the Daily Show/Colbert Report’s legacy has largely fallen flat in retrospect. There’s a an objectively progressive undercurrent in their presentation, but very few calls for action or ideas that legitimately challenge the status quo. It’s just a circus, as you said.
While Channel 5’s work is valuable as a document of current political discourse largely overlooked by the media machine, its tone mostly keeps it retained amongst the long list of ‘progressive’ lib media which inspires complacency and hopelessness more than authentic paths toward change, imo. This country is so long overdue for serious and respectful representation which resonates with a majority of the population that feels increasingly marginalized by the leading powers on both sides. Andrew’s work sheds light on the echo chambers pulling us apart, but does Channel 5’s content truly help in narrowing the culture war rift? I respect the platform’s supposed (not actual) neutrality as a vehicle to get the footage, but New Media needs more than a screaming sideshow and dirtbag podcasters to truly shake people out of this gigantic psyop bubble we’ve trapped ourselves in.
Cheers.
This lady spent sooooo much time trying to get him to admit to saying "my posers are tricking people" and she COULD NOT EVEN REMEMBER HER SOURCE AND THEN GAVE UP 💀💀💀
Absolute legend Thank you for uploading this, I'm glad I got to see it. I only wish it was longer but I understand the phone battery constraints.
this needs to go viral. a great example of modern day problems with ideological thought bubbles, and cognitive biases.
It's just so damn relieving every time he answers rough questions honestly, and without diverting. It makes everyone who doesn't speak honestly look so silly.
"You don't correct them in real time"
Yes, because Andrew doesn't pretend to he the arbiter of truth like MSM.
23:47 best part of the interview
They finally found something to vibe on
Andrew absolutely roasting her with body language while she’s talking about Fox is goated
21:02 Dude that's so comforting to hear, and I don't know why.
8:27 this is far and away the most angry I have ever seen Andrew on camera
i dont know why. I love andrew but i think the question was very good and interesting
this is the best commercial for airmax 90’s i’ve ever seen
For anyone curious, the interview she's referencing starting at 15:30 seems to be from the Stranger, and Andrew says “They say imitation is the highest form of flattery, but I just disagree about stealing art in general. I’m not going to say I own that interview style, but yeah it doesn’t flatter me at all. Every city has a copycat." Title of the article is "All Gas No Brakes Has Died, but Seattle's Own Andrew Callaghan Has Been Resurrected".
This really feels like its just another Channel 5 video, I love it
Thanks Rob. You the best. 🙌
Other than the points where she was going hard left, I enjoyed a lot of the questions and topics she brought up.
CLUTCH, had to search this up so many different ways to find it
all I searched was "andrew callaghan npr" and it was the first result 😂
@@jaredneff5189 he changed the title since 4 hours ago bud
the best part of this interview is that when she starts the Hunter S Thompson bit near the end Andrew compliments her. regardless of how the first half of the interview went he still buys in and gives her respect for finding the right lane.
Great interview. Andrew is really good at letting people play into their own ideological blind spots so they are blazingly clear to the viewer, even in this interview
Her hostility is putting Andrew visibly off and that says enough, hostility doesn't get you answers.