2.7s almost never come in to ours. Early builds did due to the oil pan. But they updated it and they have all be awesome. Not even turbo failure after 180k
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
I watch Scotty religiously, so I'm aware of this, too. Both of my sons are mechanic, and they confirm the issue. I hope Ford will address this. My 2002 F-150 5.4l still doesn't burn a drop of oil (that I know of) at 353,000 miles. I won't replace it until I can get that 5.0l without a concern.
@@treetrunker13 These new vehicles are just too complex and aren't made to last.. the tech to start/stop, several computers, etc.. NOT NEEDED. They roll the tech too fast to stabalize it and make it reliable. Very nice! 300k+ miles and still going... everyone should be focused on doing that.
Real close to 300,000 miles on my 2013 F150 Supercrew with a 5.0. Still runs great! Had the 6R80 trans rebuilt at 220,000 miles. I replaced the timing cover gasket and water pump at 260,000 because of very small leaks and the driver side cat at 275,000. Been one of the best vehicles I have ever owned!
I have a 2003 F150 with 368k on the original 5.2 V-8. Same tranny and it is original as well. The owner of a Ford dealership told just do the maintenance it should run a long time. So I have done every maintenance at Ford per the owners Manuel. As a result it still runs great.
@milkrvr4088 It's a big problem on the transverse mounted 3.5 EB (explorer, taurus, edge, flex) because it has an internal pump, driven off the timing chain. If the pump begins to leak, it will just mix coolant into the oil in the timing cover. Needless to say, coolant doesn't lubricate well and does quite the opposite by diluting the oil and thus not lubricating the bearings. Just ask anyone who's ever owned a 2.7 v6 Chrysler, lol
I've heard the 2.7 has the boost reliable engine. It has a engine block from a powerstroke and it's more compact and just overall built better. From people who have had all 3 they all like the 2.7 the most.
The guys in the shop work in their own little areas and don't see the whole picture. Office guys do stats, finances, complaints and deal with Ford so they have the best overall knowledge of the problems. I would go with the office guys. Shop guys only like 5.0 cause it's easier to work on.. and it's loud.
Anthony A. Really? They work in there own little areas... come on man the shop isn’t that big they can’t see / don’t know what’s coming in there more often. The office guys might hear more complaints but guess what, those complaints are only legitimized when the truck comes in and mechanics figure out if something is actually wrong or not with the engine and not some other part of the vehicle. I’d trust the opinions of all the mechanics vs some office guys that likely have little idea the inner workings of an engine. Also there’s a reason the 5.0 L V8 has been around forever now, and that’s reliability.
@@feral4112 Doesn't matter if they know how the engine works or not, office guys would see the numbers. "X vehicle at Y spec comes into shop for Z reason. Actions A B and C were taken. We sell X numbers of Y vehicle's with this engine in it and Z is the failure rate." Math is scary, i know.
I just bought my F150, 30 days ago. Its a 2019 5.0. I love my shiny big coyote. I get better gas mileage than my chevy silverado v8. And it blows that Chevy out the water. No problems and it sounds and looks great.
5.0L peak piston speed is 82.5mph, faster than a formula 1 engine @17,000 rpm the short rod to stroke ratio uses the cylinder wall to accelerate the piston faster than the crank's speed. by pushing the piston at a steep angle. that's good for speeding up air and increasing volumetric efficiency but not good for durability did you know 5.0L is 20% smaller engine but only 3% better fuel economy. at higher rpm you are actually displacing more per minute. power adders have a net gain but also use power and create wear. a super charger might require 150hp to run but add 400hp gross. you burn fuel and wear like 400hp but gain 250 net horsepower. a 6.2L and a 5.0L in a race, with same axle ratios, the 5.0L would run out of gas first.
@@PawPaws_Place I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 133,000 miles on it and still going strong and it's a beast and plus it sounds like a beast as well (especially with the Borla ATAK).
Mikie Jones enjoy it till you blow it up inevitably. And what change turbo’s have been around as long as cars have and have been on auto’s since the 70’s so you point is a mute point bottom line their not reliable after 100-200k miles.
@Mikie Jones I lived through the 2.3L Ford engines, hearing time and time again that they are great and last just as long. Then they don't. Then the new one comes out and they say the same thing again. I have heard this since the early 1980's. I agree that you shouldn't be afraid of change, but how many failed attempts to I need to see before I stop? At this point if Ford has a car with an engine that starts with a 2 and ends in Liter, I will pass.
Our family currently has three F-150's (18+), and oddly one of each engine. As much as I love the sound and smooth power delivery of the V8, it feels like your dragging bricks after driving the Turbo models. The 3.5 has a bit more punch than the 2.7, but hardly noticeable in every day driving. The 3.5 is also the only we have had a couple of minor issues with. As far as towing, it's usually the trucks Payload your going to max out before the engine HP even makes a difference. If I had to chose, it would be the 2.7. That small ecoboost mated with that 10 speed is one of the best F150 combos in decades. I'm still amazed by it. Reading the forums, it appears to be one of the most reliable as well. Even the Turbo's are holding up, a majority of these newer Ecoboosts trucks will go to the junk yard with their original turbo's in them. Though I would love to build a regular cab short box with the 5.0 as fun weekend bang around truck, but for everyday driving I'll take the 2.7.
"a majority of these newer Ecoboosts trucks will go to the junk yard with their original turbo's in them" - and it will be none too soon since they won't turn into rust buckets.
My uncle got a Brand new 3.5 EcoBoost truck 2yrs ago. works it hard every day at work & has had 0zero issues with it. He tows work equipment, commutes 4hrs daily . This is out here in Northern California hott weather.
I love the 3.5L EcoBoost. This is my second truck with the engine and it has been flawless and it gets great fuel economy and it has all the power you will need.
Wait til you blow the exhaust manifolds.. lol. It’s got great power but don’t always trust that towing number they say. Especially if you’re towing a few times a month heavy 🙃
@@JoseMartinez-cc3ip I would say that subjectively the 5.0 sounds better because it is next to impossible to replicate the sound of a good ol american v8 in anything that isnt.
i want to drive a 7.3 superduty, but as for right now i havent seen too many on the road so i cant really give too much judgement on the 7.3. but the 6.7 over the 6.2 even with the diesel having all the emissions crap on it.
As another person pointed out, you need ‘per unit sold’ data. For example, if 95% of F150s sold have the 3.5L but 75% of the engines in the shop are 5.0s, then then it’s obvious the 5.0 is less reliable. But if the shop guys don’t have access to the data on how many of which type are sold, it would create a bias.
It's almost 2023 - time to do this survey again - thanks for the great content! More helpful would also be specifics instead of "it's just a great engine"...as well as what issues each has.
Yes, except for this..... WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
@@pootieputin2771 old flappy hands. My 2019 uses 1 quart in 5000 miles. I started using 8 quarts of oil instead of 8.85 the manual says. Now i use 0 quarts between changes.
@@randythompson4006 Interesting... seems like some are affected more than others... and some have had no problems. If you do some searching on Google and Utube... it is very big problem.
True, except for this..... WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
I have 2018 F150 with the 5.0, Was burning oil like crazy, about 5-6 quarts in between oil changes, there was a TSB out for this which I got done, definitely burns a lot less oil but still burns about 2 - 3 quarts in between 5k oil changes which is not acceptable for a brand new truck. This problem started in 2018 when they switched to new plasma arc liners, 2017 and older 5.0 don’t burn oil from what I’ve seen. This engine also sounds like a diesel, making all sorts of chirping and ticking sounds which ford says is normal, I also have a problem with a rattle when letting of gas coming from the timing chain I believe, ford performed the TSB out for this still no fix. I’m now doing an oil consumption test and may be getting a new engine soon, really hope ford fixes this issue, sucks having a brand new truck that burns oil and sounds terrible and possibly needs a new engine.
@@nathann3144 Watch out.... if you get a new engine from Ford warranty... won't it have the same problem? I don't know why this issue isn't more understood... I would think a lot of Ford motor-head guys would have figured this out by now and demand Ford do something. Ford has to know what's going on... just won't own up. Good luck!
Lol... thought the same thing since every truck I have ever bought was a V8 until I test drove the V8 vs. the Ecoboost. Bought the Ecoboost....Wouldn't trade it for the 5.0 if you paid me... sorry.
Exactly why I chose the 5.0 for my 2018 F-150. My cousin is a Ford Technician at Fox Ford in Traverse City, MI. He had the same recommendation for me in 2017 when I ordered the truck.
Does yours burn oil? I have 2018 f150 5.0 and still burns about 3 quarts of oil even after having the tsb performed for the oil consumption problem, now doing a oil consumption test and may be getting a new engine.
@@nathann3144 Ford knows what's going on... they won't admit to a class problem. They should have sleeved the 5.0 aluminum block... insted they used ceramic coating in the cylinders and it is failing.
I was going for a V8 F150 2019. But after trying the 3.5 twin turbo I was sold. HP plus torque plus towing plus gas mileage I was sold and I bought it.
TT the 5.0 and that TT 3.5 will seem like a lawnmower 🤣. I wonder why Ford hasnt done a factory Turbo 5.0. They wouldnt be able to keep them on the lot.
As an 18 year old in the field it makes me happy to see him talking to the younger guys like myself and asking their opinions which not many of my bosses have done
You old timers need to get over yourselves. You fools are the ones that drove this country to the mess it's in and you think you're so smart. Please! No generation has a monopoly on good sense...or stupidity...or selfishness...or arrogance...and so on...
This comment section is dumb, ur opinion really matters just like anyone else in that room. Small minded people think that maturity and age are always related. Little do they know that I've met a 12 year old who thinks and speaks much better about every subject than a 32 year old. Yungins these days know a lot and even more than most adults. The times are crazy...them dudes in the comments are prolly boomers who think they know everything.
The Coyote V8 will go down as one of the best production car engines built. 2,500hp+capable that can run 6.50's at 225mph+ with a factory Predator block, factory crank shaft, factory heads, factory cams, factory 5.0L displacement in a 3,500lb Mustang.
I have a 2015 2.7 EcoBoost with 113,000 miles and had no issues with the engine ( Door latches on the other hand but won’t get into that) I use full synthetic and change the oil about every 6k miles. I also pull my camper with it as well with no issues.
@@theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 True, but still less hassle than Turbos to deal with and mess up. The 3.5 is an awesome engine, but if simplicity is your thing, 5.0 all the way.
@@migmag_9789 if simplicity is what you want engine wise, then go with a Chevy. They are still a pushrod design. The coyote is a quad cam, 4 valves per cylinder engine which is arguably a inherently complex design. I'm not too well versed with the ecoboost engines, but I would like to guess that they only thing more complex about them is having a turbo system. In less that system has issues, it's fine.
Comparing the old straight 6 to anything else is just unfair- it may not match the power and torque of newer engines, but those things will run forever as long as they have a few drops of oil in the pan, and something vaguely flammable in the fuel tank!
I have a 300 in my '82 F150 and my '86 Full Size Bronco. Great engine. And I had one in my '79 F150 2 wheel drive. I could get in the engine compartment and stand there, Change spark plugs etc.
I have the pinnacle of the 300, in a '96 F-150. I'm sure many will disagree, but having one with OBDII is the best running 300 you can get. Only 182,000 miles but I wouldn't hesitate to take it cross country for any reason. Only problem is it's paired to a M5OD transmission...
It's hard to beat an inline engine for longivity. But soon we all may end up having to upgrade to run E85. Don't know how far off that is but I'm sure it's coming. Just like they jacked the price up on non-ethynol gas and leaded gas.
I’ve always been a V-8 guy but I chose the 3.5 Eco for my first F150 new 2019. It pulls my boat like it’s not even there. Surprisingly quick, and incredible gas mileage. No issues whatsoever ... not a drop of oil consumed. For me it was a great choice. There’s no right or wrong engine - comes down to what you need ... that’s what’s great about the F150 - it’s not a one size fits all truck.
I also chose the 3.5l ecoboost. 2019 and this is the 1st time I own a ford truck. And when it comes to towing is blows my 2018 ram hemi away. This f150 3.5l doesn't even break a sweat. I have 38k miles on it and very pleased with it so far
If you are selling the 3.5L ecoboost before 50k miles, I doubt you will see problems, just wait till 80k and up for all the oil leaks to start. For reliability choose the V8 Coyote
Same boat! I LOVE the intoxicating power of my 3.5 EB (I have an E50 tune from 5 Star) but I miss having a bit of the V8 growl. But then, I’ve had obnoxious sounding V8 cars (supercharged mustang) and it’s nice to be able to get on it and not wake the dead.
@@edwardmyers1746 50k base price is typical? To get the diesel you have to buy a lariat or higher and you can't buy a single cab. The base price for a gas engine truck is in the low 30s.
@@jellyfrosh9102 I saw an XLT 3.0 and made an offer on it but they would'nt come off the 47k price, so i bought and a f250 6.7 for 44k. There are some fleet trucks with the 3.0, but hard to find.
My 2017 Fx4 with 3.5 EB is my family everyday everywhere vehicle. I Love quite, don't want my truck sounding like a truck. From inside you can't hear or feel the engine running. I check the Stop - Start indicator to see if it's running. I Love this truck. My previous 2004 F150 had the 4.6 V8, no comparison. Happy with my choice.
Driven them all and have owned the 2.7 since 2015. Was a bit skeptical at first due to the displacement but The way the 2.7 is built is what got me interested. Little engine is a proper beast. Basically built like Diesel with power throughout the entire rev range. 6 years later I’d buy it again!
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn well my friend I personally went with 2.7 because of the reliability. It really is a gas engine built like a diesel. My personal truck has 75k and i have had zero issues. I absolutely love the truck and the power…you can actually find some f150 on youtube with 2.7 that are well over 250k.. and still going with minor repairs
I live in Oahu, Hawaii and own a 18' 3.5 EB. Been getting avg 20-21 mpg for a while now. Can't speak for any turbo issues being this is my first truck but i think it beats having to put in more extra work to maintain for that instant gratification. Love seeing those noisy vehicles in my rear view.
There is no one right answer. It seems like Ford has a motor for all people/uses. Building a hot rod that you want to sound great? - 5.0L Need to tow? - 3.5L EB You want a daily driver with good power and good gas mileage? - 2.7L EB
Bull crap . You wanna truck that's not gonna cost you a fortune to get to 200k miles , you don't want an ecoboost , or any turbo charged engine that belongs in a Fiat . Why do you think these mechanics by FAR chose the 5.0 ?
@@twoweary - You are living in the past. Your comment was valid 30 years ago. Technology improves every year. It is a verifiable fact that the current (2020) Ecoboost has fewer problems than the current (2020) 5.0L.
The technician @2:50 mark knows exactly what he’s talking about. I’ve heard the same issues with the 5.0 and 3.5 from a lot of people. Which is why I bought a 2018 F-150 xlt/fx4 package, with the 2.7 twin turbo. Supercrew, 4x4, 3.73 rear axle ratio, 5.5ft bed. I have more than enough power to pull all my equipment and get excellent mpg. Summer time I average 21-22mpg and winter I average 19-20mpg and that’s with idling my truck for 15-30 minutes and driving in 4x4 a lot where I live. Has 138,000 miles. The only problem I had was number 4 cylinder miss fire- check engine light, because it had the original spark plugs, I replaced all spark plugs($60) at 130,000 miles, and code went away. And then at 135,000 I had a check engine light for PCV pressure sensor, replaced it ($25) and check engine light has never came back. Currently has 138,000 miles. I use amsoil XL 5w-30 and change oil and filter every 6,000 miles. I know I could probably go 12,000 miles like it says, but I do it myself and get discounts on the oil, so why not. Hands down I’d buy a new F-150 with the 2.7 twin turbo again. Also I live where they use salt on the roads and I have ZERO rust on the body and barely any on the frame. Hope this truck lasts me for 200k-300k miles.
I bought a 2015 3.5 EcoBoost with turbos used last year. I love it. I use it for my every-day vehicle. Love the idea I can tow when I need to and get greate gas mileage.
Gotta love the way that nobody seems to remember that the 3.3L V6 exists. That's the engine I have in my 2019 F-150. I'm the kind of person who will drive the same truck for 10+ years if I can, and I don't trust that those turbos in the EcoBoost engines will last over the long haul. The 3.3L V6 is a great way to get a naturally aspirated engine in a truck that won't break the bank. It might not be the best for hauling, but I don't need it for that. I'm just a big guy who wanted a daily driver I could comfortably sit in.
@@The50run50 That's a lot of miles for a engine that was released less than 3 years ago. My 2017 with the N/A 3.5 V6 has less than 20k on it, but it also hasn't given me any problems.
I went the 3.0 liter Diesel in my 2018 and I am still impressed with truck. My truck just rolled over 23,000 miles and on my last tank of fuel, I averaged 31 miles per gallon! That was better than my Taurus! Ford built a full size truck able to pull more than 10k lbs and get the mileage of a compact car! Keep up the good work Ford!
No clue if you'll see this comment but how's the reliability of your 3.0l? I'm looking at them for my next truck but nervous on the long term reliability
I got the 2018 3.5 Ecoboost!! Its so fun! Never had driven a forced induction engine and when I test drove it I fell for it. So far so good. Love when the turbo hits. Gotta give it the old Italian Tune up once in a while.
yup, I looked especially for a 5.0 when I purchased my f-150, best engine I ever owed, reliable, has plenty of power, great fuel millage for it's size and power (the v8 coyote sound is nice, but not a factor for me). My truck is now 10 years old and has 92000 miles on it and still runs as good as the day I bought it, of course proper maintenance is key for any engine to last and that you don't beat it up to hard. I also tow a 28 foot travel trailer around with this truck, no problems at all, plenty of power when needed, truck is equipped with factory towing package. FYI: The newer f-150 with the 5.0 now come with a 10 speed transmission, mine is a 6 speed.
I’ve had the 5.0 and the 3.5 ecoboost... I don’t keep trucks more than 4 years... the ecoboost is a beast, much happier towing heavy weight and that turbo whistle is great.
I just bought a 2016 XLT w/V8. LOVE IT! I've worked in service stations. If most techs prefer working on 5.0 engines, I'd rather give them one to work on. Happy mechanic, happy truck 😎👍
I think many people are concerned about longevity with the eco-boost engines. They are amazing engines, but for how long? How many miles have you put on them?
18year Ford senior master tech here and I would go with the 2.7L all day - 3.5L has a lot of phaser issues and the 5.0L eats oil and leaks coolant and I have seen so many buy backs on them. 2.7L has great HP, torque and gas mileage I call it the little beast
I’ve got a 2012 3.5 Eb with 272,700 miles at present and drive back n forth to work daily plus pull a small bass boat on weekends and I’m about to trade for. Newer truck. It will be hard to not go back with the same motor. Because if I get an 18 or newer it’ll have even more power. Honestly after research I think I’d be happy with any of the three
@@jabariuswilliams9264 From what ive seen the 2.7 looks bulletproof dude. No major issues. Same block material as the power-strokes. Unless you're towing heavy definitely go with the 2.7. Phenomenal fuel econ too
The 5.0 sounds great and seems dependable for sure but the 3.5 is just a fun engine to drive all around. Low end torque is awsome where the 5.0 lacks. My choice would be the 3.5 then the 5.0.
I've leased 3 F150's since 2013. The first was a 5.0, the second was a 2.7 eb and currently driving a 3.5 eb. I have loved them all. The only reason I'm driving the 3.5 is because I tow a 7500 lb camper. If I weren't, I'd definitely go back to the 5 liter...that truck was a lot of fun, but I must say that the eb pulls my camper up some pretty steep hills without breaking a sweat.
I bought one of the last 5.4 Tritons made in 2010. Been a great engine, absolutely no problems , 120,000 miles and I expect many many more. I would keep it simple again and go with the 5.0. Less plumbing, fewer things to go wrong. You will be happy with any one of them, they are all great engines.
I was sold within the first minute of seat time in the 3.5 Ecoboost. So much low end torque plus it screams up top with the turbos stuffing air down it's throat. The exhaust doesn't sing a beautiful v8 song BUT it does make turbo and BOV noises which sounds better and is way more fun to drive IMO. Love, LOVE, L O V E my 3.5.
I have a 2002 ford f150 with 149,000 miles. Still runs great. Still looks great. No problems . It is a 4.6L. Xlt. Triton v8. Those motors like in those crown vics are true champions. Dont make them like they use too. Most reliable engine
I have 2 3.5 EB my son has a 5.0 they do sound different I miss the roar but my Grandkids love the set you back in the seat when the turbo boost up, so unless I Roush it I’ll take 3,5 any day
FWIW, I have a 2011 F-150 with the EcoBoost, first year. 186K miles. I'm happy with it, no plans on getting rid of it any time soon. I get anywhere from 15-16.5 MPG, but don't drive hardly any highway or more open roads. It happens to be a max tow version, but I don't really tow with it at all, at least not anymore. When I got it, camper and horse trailers were towed around a bit, but those have gone in more recent years.
great timing for this video just bought a 2018 5.0...And I was worried about all the oil consumption/rattle issues. after 3000 miles I saw some oil consumption. glad to see that technicians would still chose the 5.0.
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
Awesome video. You guys definitely need to do this video again every 2 years or so since opinions and technology is always changing. I’ve been a ford man all my life. Personally all 3 are great engines imo Iv driven them all. But to me if you are going to only keep the truck for 2-4 years go eco boost, within that little time you won’t see any of the issues that they develop with age. If your going to keep the truck over 4 years or over 150k miles then go 5.0 they have much longer problem free life spans. Or if your a motor head then go 5.0 as well it has much more potential for making power with upgrades. But as with anything mechanical just remember they will always give problems at some point regardless of which engine you go with. Nothing is perfect because everything is built by the hands of imperfect people.
"[...] if your a motor head then go 5.0 as well it has much more potential for making power with upgrades." Only with very very expensive upgrades. The 5.0 will never beat a tuned slightly modded 3.5 unless you boost it.
Two months ago, I purchased an F150 5.0 V8 based on a similar video. At 2,800 miles, the oil level was almost to the end of the dip stick. It was full of course when I bought it. I searched the internet, and read that a lot of folks are having oil consumption issues with the 5.0. The mechanics wanted to do an oil consumption test. The dealership worked with me, and I traded it in for a 3.5L EcoBoost.
2:00 Well, you would expect to see fewer of them in there as there are many, many more 3.5 EB motors sold than 5.0 Coyote. The EB is in more models - trucks, SUVs, cars.
5.0 at 2 to 1. Love my 5.0L!! It use to be my work truck/ personal truck. Never a breakdown in 96K miles. At 12 years old, I’ve just replaced the plugs and probably go to 200K on them. Replaced the transmission fluid and brake fluid for the first time. Still drives like it’s was brand new. May install Roush exhaust pipes one day!
I'm a turbo guy all day long 3.5 , I have a 93 cobra and I add a turbo. It's a big difference when you work on a truck as a job vs for fun and up grades.
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
I was out in the desert yesterday and there were guys with 500 hp Ecoboost, heavily modified, raptors tearing up the dunes. It was pretty awesome to see. There weren't any 5.0 f150s. Out here guys with 6.2 raptor are getting rid of them for the Ecoboost version.
3 years 50k on my Trump Red STX 2.7, 20.4 mpg in town, ain’t going say it’s better than a 5.0 or 3.5, but it is soooo good and will bust 5.3’s and 5.7’s at the lights all day long, if Grammy ain’t riding shotgun; she’s Penticostal and Jesus and her frown on that sort of thing. Great video!
I have a 2018 with the 5.0 , 75K miles, no issues , I do tow a trailer, when not towing I get 25 mpg on the highway, I think I will keep it for another 75K
We need a updated video!! I Wonder how this video will hold up on the new 2021 F150s the 5.0s with the nee belt driven oil pump and cylinder deactivation. I’d take the 3.5Ecoboost just for the more power alone now
The techs just hate dealing with turbos. It's extra work. If you aren't towing, go 5.0. If you're towing over 10,000lbs, go 3.5L. If you're towing under 6,000lbs get the 2.7L. That little 2.7L was designed by diesel techs, damn thing is so strong it doesn't need sleeves in the cylinders. Get 26mpg save a lot of money.
I buy a new F-150 ever year or two, I bought one of the first 3.5 eco's in 2011, 2012 I got a 5.0,,loved it, In 2016 I got a 2.7,,Strong little motor but it sounds like a sick sewing machine, 2018 I went back to the 5.0,,,,395 HP,,,I get 23 & 24 MPG on a trip, put dual pipes with FLOW MASTER cat back,,,Love the sound,,,I think it's the best all around motor ford has to offer.
Don't read into this. A) it's a tiny sample size, B) we don't know the sales breakdown per engine type in the area of this dealership, but we do know the turbo mills handily outsell the V8 nationally so one would think they would naturally see more come in for maintenance, and C) it's the person's opinion who is actually using the vehicle that matters most.
Same here I have 91k no issues except a sensor at 1000 miles the dealer changed. Am pretty happy ..seen the 2.7 3.5 already with 200 300k plus on forums. So they are just as good
i went with with the 3.3, simple like the 5.0, based on the previous 3.5 ... gets good fuel and can tow my 20ft center console just fine . and still got the reliable 6 speed
actually i love videos like this! straight from the guys that work on them at the dealership!!5.0 all day long i agree! majority rules most of the time anyways...it shows here!!
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Would be more interested in seeing the shop statistics - which engines come in for work more often and why
Well it's the little 2.0 eco, then the 2.7, then the 3.5. In that order it seems.
Yes, please spill out the stats.
stats per units sold
@@chhh8057 What has the 2.0 eco in it?? Not the F150.
2.7s almost never come in to ours. Early builds did due to the oil pan. But they updated it and they have all be awesome. Not even turbo failure after 180k
“Hey Bob can I ask you a Ques....
Bob: “5.0!”
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
I watch Scotty religiously, so I'm aware of this, too. Both of my sons are mechanic, and they confirm the issue. I hope Ford will address this. My 2002 F-150 5.4l still doesn't burn a drop of oil (that I know of) at 353,000 miles. I won't replace it until I can get that 5.0l without a concern.
@@treetrunker13 These new vehicles are just too complex and aren't made to last.. the tech to start/stop, several computers, etc.. NOT NEEDED. They roll the tech too fast to stabalize it and make it reliable. Very nice! 300k+ miles and still going... everyone should be focused on doing that.
@@pootieputin2771 It's why NOT a 5.0 for me. 3.5 and chip it to Raptor strength.
Bob knows exactly what's going on...!
Real close to 300,000 miles on my 2013 F150 Supercrew with a 5.0. Still runs great! Had the 6R80 trans rebuilt at 220,000 miles. I replaced the timing cover gasket and water pump at 260,000 because of very small leaks and the driver side cat at 275,000. Been one of the best vehicles I have ever owned!
I have a 2003 F150 with 368k on the original 5.2 V-8. Same tranny and it is original as well. The owner of a Ford dealership told just do the maintenance it should run a long time. So I have done every maintenance at Ford per the owners Manuel. As a result it still runs great.
Did your water pump make a noise sound like a power steering
@@mrgulfstream11 you mean 5.4 Triton V-8, right?
I don't believe Ford ever made a 5.2 V-8.
If you had the v-6 I think the water pump going out will kill your engine but I have no idea
@milkrvr4088 It's a big problem on the transverse mounted 3.5 EB (explorer, taurus, edge, flex) because it has an internal pump, driven off the timing chain. If the pump begins to leak, it will just mix coolant into the oil in the timing cover. Needless to say, coolant doesn't lubricate well and does quite the opposite by diluting the oil and thus not lubricating the bearings. Just ask anyone who's ever owned a 2.7 v6 Chrysler, lol
Hey Bob...."I....."
Bob..."5.0"
That was quick....and I also vote 5.0
5.0 V8 Coyote all day baby!
That guy @2:50 should be fired.
Just bought 2020 with 5.0. Getting 25+mpg.
@@kalijasin They should give him a medal and make him foreman
Well in a race we all know who wins. 2.7 by destruction
I've heard the 2.7 has the boost reliable engine. It has a engine block from a powerstroke and it's more compact and just overall built better. From people who have had all 3 they all like the 2.7 the most.
I love my 2016 2.7💚
Definitely love the 2016!
I’m sure the 2.7 is great….. but you punch that Peddle in a 3.5 twin turbo and you’ll change your mind. That bitch eats
Love my 2.7
the boosted 2.7 has a faster 0-60 than the 5.0 V8.
Funny how the guys actually working on the engines dont see much problems with 5.0 vs the office guys LOL
The guys in the shop work in their own little areas and don't see the whole picture. Office guys do stats, finances, complaints and deal with Ford so they have the best overall knowledge of the problems. I would go with the office guys. Shop guys only like 5.0 cause it's easier to work on.. and it's loud.
@@aarutuno So your saying the mechanics have no idea what they are talking about?
5.0 all day everyday. The 302 cubic inch has been around for decades for a reason.
Anthony A. Really? They work in there own little areas... come on man the shop isn’t that big they can’t see / don’t know what’s coming in there more often. The office guys might hear more complaints but guess what, those complaints are only legitimized when the truck comes in and mechanics figure out if something is actually wrong or not with the engine and not some other part of the vehicle. I’d trust the opinions of all the mechanics vs some office guys that likely have little idea the inner workings of an engine. Also there’s a reason the 5.0 L V8 has been around forever now, and that’s reliability.
@@feral4112 Doesn't matter if they know how the engine works or not, office guys would see the numbers.
"X vehicle at Y spec comes into shop for Z reason. Actions A B and C were taken. We sell X numbers of Y vehicle's with this engine in it and Z is the failure rate." Math is scary, i know.
I just bought my F150, 30 days ago. Its a 2019 5.0. I love my shiny big coyote. I get better gas mileage than my chevy silverado v8. And it blows that Chevy out the water. No problems and it sounds and looks great.
Well, you bought right if you want the best motor longevity.
Same. Just got mine month ago and still loving that 5.0.
5.0L peak piston speed is 82.5mph, faster than a formula 1 engine @17,000 rpm
the short rod to stroke ratio uses the cylinder wall to accelerate the piston faster than the crank's speed. by pushing the piston at a steep angle.
that's good for speeding up air and increasing volumetric efficiency but not good for durability
did you know 5.0L is 20% smaller engine but only 3% better fuel economy.
at higher rpm you are actually displacing more per minute.
power adders have a net gain but also use power and create wear. a super charger might require 150hp to run but add 400hp gross. you burn fuel and wear like 400hp but gain 250 net horsepower.
a 6.2L and a 5.0L in a race, with same axle ratios, the 5.0L would run out of gas first.
@@PawPaws_Place I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 133,000 miles on it and still going strong and it's a beast and plus it sounds like a beast as well (especially with the Borla ATAK).
@Vegas EMT
WRONG
V8 it’s simple longevity reliability and easier maintenance.
Mikie Jones enjoy it till you blow it up inevitably. And what change turbo’s have been around as long as cars have and have been on auto’s since the 70’s so you point is a mute point bottom line their not reliable after 100-200k miles.
Sorry, V type engines wear more than inline type engines.
Jim Holmes there isn’t any option for an inline engine in a half ton truck except in the GMs. They have a 3 liter inline but it’s diesel.
@Mikie Jones I lived through the 2.3L Ford engines, hearing time and time again that they are great and last just as long. Then they don't. Then the new one comes out and they say the same thing again. I have heard this since the early 1980's. I agree that you shouldn't be afraid of change, but how many failed attempts to I need to see before I stop? At this point if Ford has a car with an engine that starts with a 2 and ends in Liter, I will pass.
Totally agree brother.
Our family currently has three F-150's (18+), and oddly one of each engine. As much as I love the sound and smooth power delivery of the V8, it feels like your dragging bricks after driving the Turbo models. The 3.5 has a bit more punch than the 2.7, but hardly noticeable in every day driving. The 3.5 is also the only we have had a couple of minor issues with. As far as towing, it's usually the trucks Payload your going to max out before the engine HP even makes a difference. If I had to chose, it would be the 2.7. That small ecoboost mated with that 10 speed is one of the best F150 combos in decades. I'm still amazed by it. Reading the forums, it appears to be one of the most reliable as well. Even the Turbo's are holding up, a majority of these newer Ecoboosts trucks will go to the junk yard with their original turbo's in them. Though I would love to build a regular cab short box with the 5.0 as fun weekend bang around truck, but for everyday driving I'll take the 2.7.
"a majority of these newer Ecoboosts trucks will go to the junk yard with their original turbo's in them" - and it will be none too soon since they won't turn into rust buckets.
The small turbo engines are reaming their guts to make that power. It's a lot harder to wear one out turning less rpms.
My uncle got a Brand new 3.5 EcoBoost truck 2yrs ago. works it hard every day at work & has had 0zero issues with it. He tows work equipment, commutes 4hrs daily . This is out here in Northern California hott weather.
I love the 3.5L EcoBoost. This is my second truck with the engine and it has been flawless and it gets great fuel economy and it has all the power you will need.
Wait until you get the $3k bill for the timing chain phasers.
@@HuskyKMA Dreading this repair.
HuskyKMA can you do cam phasers delete like on the 5.4 3v engines? I did that on mine and the engine runs flawless and sounds healthier.
Wait til you blow the exhaust manifolds.. lol. It’s got great power but don’t always trust that towing number they say. Especially if you’re towing a few times a month heavy 🙃
Wait until you have to change the water pump or timing guides......
I would choose the 5.0 because it's a v8 and sounds great when in high rpm.
3.5 sounds better straight pipes
@@JoseMartinez-cc3ip I would say that subjectively the 5.0 sounds better because it is next to impossible to replicate the sound of a good ol american v8 in anything that isnt.
Well until you hear the turbo noise mixed in to it
@@tylerperlenfein you are right
@@JoseMartinez-cc3ip Have you heard a twin turbo 5.0 coyote? O M G🔥🔥
You should try and do another video where the Pros talk about the engines for the 250. Would like to see their impressions on the 7.3
Fantastic idea! If this video gets 2,000 likes... we’ll do the same thing for the super Duty!
Town and Country TV not even close for me 6.7 all day long
6.7 > 7.3
i want to drive a 7.3 superduty, but as for right now i havent seen too many on the road so i cant really give too much judgement on the 7.3. but the 6.7 over the 6.2 even with the diesel having all the emissions crap on it.
Yes! I’d love to see a SD engine choice video!
Shop guys: we don’t see too many 5.0 come through
Office guys: too many problems with the 5.0
Hhhhhmmmmm....
Office guys are scum thats why. Hate salesmen
Office guys work on commission
That's because the 3.5 ecoboost option costs more. They'll sell the most expensive crap and prop it up.
As another person pointed out, you need ‘per unit sold’ data. For example, if 95% of F150s sold have the 3.5L but 75% of the engines in the shop are 5.0s, then then it’s obvious the 5.0 is less reliable. But if the shop guys don’t have access to the data on how many of which type are sold, it would create a bias.
😂
It's almost 2023 - time to do this survey again - thanks for the great content! More helpful would also be specifics instead of "it's just a great engine"...as well as what issues each has.
5.0 all day everyday!
Yes, except for this..... WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
Hahahaha
@@pootieputin2771 old flappy hands. My 2019 uses 1 quart in 5000 miles. I started using 8 quarts of oil instead of 8.85 the manual says. Now i use 0 quarts between changes.
@@randythompson4006 Interesting... seems like some are affected more than others... and some have had no problems. If you do some searching on Google and Utube... it is very big problem.
Same here brother.
5.0 v8 all day everyday. It’s all about straight power. No need for a high maintenance eco boost
True, except for this..... WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
I have 2018 F150 with the 5.0, Was burning oil like crazy, about 5-6 quarts in between oil changes, there was a TSB out for this which I got done, definitely burns a lot less oil but still burns about 2 - 3 quarts in between 5k oil changes which is not acceptable for a brand new truck. This problem started in 2018 when they switched to new plasma arc liners, 2017 and older 5.0 don’t burn oil from what I’ve seen. This engine also sounds like a diesel, making all sorts of chirping and ticking sounds which ford says is normal, I also have a problem with a rattle when letting of gas coming from the timing chain I believe, ford performed the TSB out for this still no fix. I’m now doing an oil consumption test and may be getting a new engine soon, really hope ford fixes this issue, sucks having a brand new truck that burns oil and sounds terrible and possibly needs a new engine.
@@nathann3144 Watch out.... if you get a new engine from Ford warranty... won't it have the same problem? I don't know why this issue isn't more understood... I would think a lot of Ford motor-head guys would have figured this out by now and demand Ford do something. Ford has to know what's going on... just won't own up. Good luck!
Lol... thought the same thing since every truck I have ever bought was a V8 until I test drove the V8 vs. the Ecoboost. Bought the Ecoboost....Wouldn't trade it for the 5.0 if you paid me... sorry.
" No need for a high maintenance eco boost" What extra maintenance does an ecoboost have that the coyote doesn't?
Exactly why I chose the 5.0 for my 2018 F-150. My cousin is a Ford Technician at Fox Ford in Traverse City, MI. He had the same recommendation for me in 2017 when I ordered the truck.
Does yours burn oil? I have 2018 f150 5.0 and still burns about 3 quarts of oil even after having the tsb performed for the oil consumption problem, now doing a oil consumption test and may be getting a new engine.
Nathan N I hear that is an 18 thing mine is a 15 and my dad has a 16 no problems here
@@nathann3144 Ford knows what's going on... they won't admit to a class problem. They should have sleeved the 5.0 aluminum block... insted they used ceramic coating in the cylinders and it is failing.
@@nathann3144 3 quarts in between changes.... that's insane
Nathan N I have an ‘18 5.0 doesn’t burn a drop between changes. And I change yearly
I mostly happy to see your techs are still around. Shows management is doing something right
I have the 5.0 in a 2014 and it’s been absolutely flawless and sounds awesome with factory exhaust.
Same. Mines pushing 400,000 miles. Could not be happier.
I was going for a V8 F150 2019. But after trying the 3.5 twin turbo I was sold. HP plus torque plus towing plus gas mileage I was sold and I bought it.
I own one as well. The mileage SUCKS. Pretty disappointed but I love everything else about my new truck! I’m averaging 12.7 🤮
Hopefully the engine actually holds up for ya
Hahah keep you foot out of the pedal and you get a lot better gas mileage. It’s either eco or boost but not both. I love my 2019 3.5!
I get 19.6 mpg with my 17 model v8
TT the 5.0 and that TT 3.5 will seem like a lawnmower 🤣. I wonder why Ford hasnt done a factory Turbo 5.0. They wouldnt be able to keep them on the lot.
As an 18 year old in the field it makes me happy to see him talking to the younger guys like myself and asking their opinions which not many of my bosses have done
Because your opinion doesn’t matter when you’re 18. Every apprentice goes through it get over it
@@TheBooze13 say it louder for the princesses in the back! When you grow up you will understand why you weren't asked about your opinion on ANYTHING
A young man’s opinions are an old man’s regrets. 😆😆
You old timers need to get over yourselves. You fools are the ones that drove this country to the mess it's in and you think you're so smart. Please! No generation has a monopoly on good sense...or stupidity...or selfishness...or arrogance...and so on...
This comment section is dumb, ur opinion really matters just like anyone else in that room. Small minded people think that maturity and age are always related. Little do they know that I've met a 12 year old who thinks and speaks much better about every subject than a 32 year old. Yungins these days know a lot and even more than most adults. The times are crazy...them dudes in the comments are prolly boomers who think they know everything.
I own a 2017 5.0, and I have had zero issues with the truck. Love it.
The Coyote V8 will go down as one of the best production car engines built. 2,500hp+capable that can run 6.50's at 225mph+ with a factory Predator block, factory crank shaft, factory heads, factory cams, factory 5.0L displacement in a 3,500lb Mustang.
I have a 2015 2.7 EcoBoost with 113,000 miles and had no issues with the engine ( Door latches on the other hand but won’t get into that) I use full synthetic and change the oil about every 6k miles. I also pull my camper with it as well with no issues.
5.0 Power , reliable, no extra moving parts, and it’s a V8
It has more moving parts than you think.
@@theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 True, but still less hassle than Turbos to deal with and mess up. The 3.5 is an awesome engine, but if simplicity is your thing, 5.0 all the way.
@@migmag_9789 if simplicity is what you want engine wise, then go with a Chevy. They are still a pushrod design. The coyote is a quad cam, 4 valves per cylinder engine which is arguably a inherently complex design.
I'm not too well versed with the ecoboost engines, but I would like to guess that they only thing more complex about them is having a turbo system. In less that system has issues, it's fine.
@@theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 I heard no one mention 5.8L 351W, are they no longer manufactured? Im still running mine, 27 years strong.
@@zombiekiller2point91996 was the last year for the 5.8L 351 in the F-150 and 1997 for the Heavy Duty trucks. It was replaced by the 5.4L Triton SOHC
These may be great engines but I've got a 79 300 six in a 4x4 that's got half a million miles.
Not a lot of power but decent torque and will run forever.
Comparing the old straight 6 to anything else is just unfair- it may not match the power and torque of newer engines, but those things will run forever as long as they have a few drops of oil in the pan, and something vaguely flammable in the fuel tank!
I have a 300 in my '82 F150 and my '86 Full Size Bronco. Great engine. And I had one in my '79 F150 2 wheel drive. I could get in the engine compartment and stand there, Change spark plugs etc.
I have the pinnacle of the 300, in a '96 F-150. I'm sure many will disagree, but having one with OBDII is the best running 300 you can get. Only 182,000 miles but I wouldn't hesitate to take it cross country for any reason.
Only problem is it's paired to a M5OD transmission...
It's hard to beat an inline engine for longivity. But soon we all may end up having to upgrade to run E85. Don't know how far off that is but I'm sure it's coming. Just like they jacked the price up on non-ethynol gas and leaded gas.
I’ve always been a V-8 guy but I chose the 3.5 Eco for my first F150 new 2019. It pulls my boat like it’s not even there. Surprisingly quick, and incredible gas mileage. No issues whatsoever ... not a drop of oil consumed. For me it was a great choice. There’s no right or wrong engine - comes down to what you need ... that’s what’s great about the F150 - it’s not a one size fits all truck.
How is the 2019 3.5 holding up?
@@adambyers8010 light usage at 17k miles but it’s been great. I’ll probably keep it forever
@@myvalium1 what kinda MPG are you seeing? 4WD? What rear end ratio?
I also chose the 3.5l ecoboost. 2019 and this is the 1st time I own a ford truck. And when it comes to towing is blows my 2018 ram hemi away. This f150 3.5l doesn't even break a sweat. I have 38k miles on it and very pleased with it so far
If you are selling the 3.5L ecoboost before 50k miles, I doubt you will see problems, just wait till 80k and up for all the oil leaks to start. For reliability choose the V8 Coyote
I got the 2016 2.7 EB , drive every single day love it!
107K so far and no problem at all!
I will buy it again 👍🏼
I’ve been a collision tech at a ford dealership since 2011. Seeing what I see, and talking with the techs, I’d take a 5.0 any day.
Can you elaborate?
I have the 3.5EB and love it, just miss the V8 with an aftermarket exhaust!
Same boat! I LOVE the intoxicating power of my 3.5 EB (I have an E50 tune from 5 Star) but I miss having a bit of the V8 growl. But then, I’ve had obnoxious sounding V8 cars (supercharged mustang) and it’s nice to be able to get on it and not wake the dead.
I have 2 with the 5.0 2012 and 2019. Just got the 2021 eb 3.5 and it is way more powerful. It drives like a mid size suv.
Interesting that there weren’t any 3.0 powerstroke answers.
Probably because nobody bought any for these guys to work on. 50k for a half ton is insane
@@jellyfrosh9102 50K is typical ford a half nice truck
@@edwardmyers1746 50k base price is typical?
To get the diesel you have to buy a lariat or higher and you can't buy a single cab. The base price for a gas engine truck is in the low 30s.
@@jellyfrosh9102 I saw an XLT 3.0 and made an offer on it but they would'nt come off the 47k price, so i bought and a f250 6.7 for 44k. There are some fleet trucks with the 3.0, but hard to find.
Because its a pointless motor for this model.
My 2017 Fx4 with 3.5 EB is my family everyday everywhere vehicle. I Love quite, don't want my truck sounding like a truck. From inside you can't hear or feel the engine running. I check the Stop - Start indicator to see if it's running. I Love this truck. My previous 2004 F150 had the 4.6 V8, no comparison. Happy with my choice.
I’m a technician, for working on it the 5.0 but for ownership I own a 3.5 eco boost
Driven them all and have owned the 2.7 since 2015. Was a bit skeptical at first due to the displacement but The way the 2.7 is built is what got me interested. Little engine is a proper beast. Basically built like Diesel with power throughout the entire rev range. 6 years later I’d buy it again!
Same ! Love my 2015 with 2.7
Any reliability issues at high mileage..im starting to look in to them..thx
@@RaulGarcia-cg3vn well my friend I personally went with 2.7 because of the reliability. It really is a gas engine built like a diesel. My personal truck has 75k and i have had zero issues. I absolutely love the truck and the power…you can actually find some f150 on youtube with 2.7 that are well over 250k.. and still going with minor repairs
@@michaelH0000 I'll look into it..I appreciate it..
Gotta love that German engineering..
I live in Oahu, Hawaii and own a 18' 3.5 EB. Been getting avg 20-21 mpg for a while now. Can't speak for any turbo issues being this is my first truck but i think it beats having to put in more extra work to maintain for that instant gratification. Love seeing those noisy vehicles in my rear view.
There is no one right answer. It seems like Ford has a motor for all people/uses.
Building a hot rod that you want to sound great? - 5.0L
Need to tow? - 3.5L EB
You want a daily driver with good power and good gas mileage? - 2.7L EB
Very well said!
I agree dude, they all please an auto mechanic. Great to work on after 5k miles
Bull crap . You wanna truck that's not gonna cost you a fortune to get to 200k miles , you don't want an ecoboost , or any turbo charged engine that belongs in a Fiat . Why do you think these mechanics by FAR chose the 5.0 ?
@@twoweary - You are living in the past. Your comment was valid 30 years ago. Technology improves every year. It is a verifiable fact that the current (2020) Ecoboost has fewer problems than the current (2020) 5.0L.
@@billybeemus3929 Then so are a lot of mechanics. I'm guessing you don't fix cars for a living.
I have a 5.0 in my ‘86 F-150. And I bought it brand new, single owner vehicle. Its been good to me.
Totally different engine
The old 302s ain't the same as these 5.0s
The technician @2:50 mark knows exactly what he’s talking about. I’ve heard the same issues with the 5.0 and 3.5 from a lot of people. Which is why I bought a 2018 F-150 xlt/fx4 package, with the 2.7 twin turbo. Supercrew, 4x4, 3.73 rear axle ratio, 5.5ft bed. I have more than enough power to pull all my equipment and get excellent mpg. Summer time I average 21-22mpg and winter I average 19-20mpg and that’s with idling my truck for 15-30 minutes and driving in 4x4 a lot where I live. Has 138,000 miles. The only problem I had was number 4 cylinder miss fire- check engine light, because it had the original spark plugs, I replaced all spark plugs($60) at 130,000 miles, and code went away. And then at 135,000 I had a check engine light for PCV pressure sensor, replaced it ($25) and check engine light has never came back. Currently has 138,000 miles. I use amsoil XL 5w-30 and change oil and filter every 6,000 miles. I know I could probably go 12,000 miles like it says, but I do it myself and get discounts on the oil, so why not. Hands down I’d buy a new F-150 with the 2.7 twin turbo again. Also I live where they use salt on the roads and I have ZERO rust on the body and barely any on the frame. Hope this truck lasts me for 200k-300k miles.
Love my 2.7
This is the comment I was looking for. Good MPG for the truck setup everyone wants (4WD, good rear end ratio, etc)
Changing oil when you’re supposed to is hugely important with the turbos.
5.0 The only way to go!
I went to the dealership specifically to buy the 5.0......ended up with the 3.5 EB and LOVE it. Damn it’s fast and fun to drive!
It’s a beast
Both me and my father have the 3.5 EB in are F150s we both love the mpg you get with them and the instant power you get from them
💯I have a 2017 Raptor and Limited - bout are amazing!! The body style - headlights - and taillights are my absolute favorite also!!
What is sad is chevys v8s still have better mileage
Fishers Of Men I’ve owed two 3.5 EBs and two GM 6.2 and my GMs do get better MPGs
@@matthiasprice because Chevy v8s have cylinder deactivation.
Wait my 2019 5.0 gets 25 to 26 on the highway and routinely averages over 20 combined. If i run e85 i still average 17-18 combined.
I bought a 2015 3.5 EcoBoost with turbos used last year. I love it. I use it for my every-day vehicle. Love the idea I can tow when I need to and get greate gas mileage.
Great gas mileage? Lol
I Like my 3.5 EB.......Lots of Power and it's Been very reliable so far and it Tows great too......2 plus years!!!! I have a 2017 F-150 XLT w/3.5 EB
Gotta love the way that nobody seems to remember that the 3.3L V6 exists. That's the engine I have in my 2019 F-150. I'm the kind of person who will drive the same truck for 10+ years if I can, and I don't trust that those turbos in the EcoBoost engines will last over the long haul. The 3.3L V6 is a great way to get a naturally aspirated engine in a truck that won't break the bank. It might not be the best for hauling, but I don't need it for that. I'm just a big guy who wanted a daily driver I could comfortably sit in.
I myself have the same and for a daily driver with 117k on it hasn't had any problems.
@@The50run50 That's a lot of miles for a engine that was released less than 3 years ago. My 2017 with the N/A 3.5 V6 has less than 20k on it, but it also hasn't given me any problems.
That’s the one I’d get. The rest aren’t reliable. 5.0L has so many problems. The guy who chose the 2.7 in the video mentioned it.
I went the 3.0 liter Diesel in my 2018 and I am still impressed with truck. My truck just rolled over 23,000 miles and on my last tank of fuel, I averaged 31 miles per gallon! That was better than my Taurus! Ford built a full size truck able to pull more than 10k lbs and get the mileage of a compact car! Keep up the good work Ford!
No clue if you'll see this comment but how's the reliability of your 3.0l? I'm looking at them for my next truck but nervous on the long term reliability
I got the 2018 3.5 Ecoboost!! Its so fun! Never had driven a forced induction engine and when I test drove it I fell for it. So far so good. Love when the turbo hits. Gotta give it the old Italian Tune up once in a while.
lol, cant beat the Italian tune up
Bring the thunder!!
I have 307,000 miles on my 2014 3.5 EcoBoost f150 Lariat 4x4. Still running strong.
yup, I looked especially for a 5.0 when I purchased my f-150, best engine I ever owed, reliable, has plenty of power, great fuel millage for it's size and power (the v8 coyote sound is nice, but not a factor for me). My truck is now 10 years old and has 92000 miles on it and still runs as good as the day I bought it, of course proper maintenance is key for any engine to last and that you don't beat it up to hard. I also tow a 28 foot travel trailer around with this truck, no problems at all, plenty of power when needed, truck is equipped with factory towing package. FYI: The newer f-150 with the 5.0 now come with a 10 speed transmission, mine is a 6 speed.
I’ve had the 5.0 and the 3.5 ecoboost... I don’t keep trucks more than 4 years... the ecoboost is a beast, much happier towing heavy weight and that turbo whistle is great.
You are definitely the first in the eco-boost motor is designed for. But, for people that don’t always have a truck less than four years old…
I just bought a 2016 XLT w/V8. LOVE IT!
I've worked in service stations. If most techs prefer working on 5.0 engines, I'd rather give them one to work on. Happy mechanic, happy truck 😎👍
3.5L EcoBoost, I have owned two and no complaints.
why would you need two? my Toyota truck motor was made seven years before the first ecoboost
I think many people are concerned about longevity with the eco-boost engines. They are amazing engines, but for how long? How many miles have you put on them?
@@mrq1701 Exactly mate.
@@philtripe probably because he owned two trucks with them.
18year Ford senior master tech here and I would go with the 2.7L all day - 3.5L has a lot of phaser issues and the 5.0L eats oil and leaks coolant and I have seen so many buy backs on them. 2.7L has great HP, torque and gas mileage I call it the little beast
What about the 5.0 2021 and up? Do they still have the oil consumption problem
I’ve got a 2012 3.5 Eb with 272,700 miles at present and drive back n forth to work daily plus pull a small bass boat on weekends and I’m about to trade for. Newer truck. It will be hard to not go back with the same motor. Because if I get an 18 or newer it’ll have even more power. Honestly after research I think I’d be happy with any of the three
5.0 sounds great!!
Thank you for all the great content. I've owned a 2.7 and now have 3.5 F150. Absolutely love it. That being said I LOVE the 5.0 in my Roush Mustang.
Did the 2.7 work good for you?
Love my 2.7
I myself have a 3.5 EB, and I love it. I get 23 mpg on the highway. Which is a huge upgrade over my old ranger which I would only get 16 mpg.
thats... what my chevy 5.3 gets on the highway, turbos really only milk epa numbers and not real world it seems
Yea my 3.5 got 15 if I was lucky.
I’d still probably get the 2.7. Appreciate the honesty. I’ll be getting into a new F-150 before the end of the year and really appreciate this vid!!
Did you go with the 2.7? What’s your opinion so far?
@@jabariuswilliams9264 yeah i did, love it
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r cool. The 5.0 is hard the come by, and my research suggests the 2.7 over the 3.5 for my uses in that case. Appreciate the response!
@@jabariuswilliams9264 From what ive seen the 2.7 looks bulletproof dude. No major issues. Same block material as the power-strokes. Unless you're towing heavy definitely go with the 2.7. Phenomenal fuel econ too
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r yeah, I think you’ve pretty much summed it up!
Had 3 Ecoboost Ford trucks so far ..never any issues folks! Gen2 Ecoboost are best TGDI motors in the business hands dwn.
The 5.0 sounds great and seems dependable for sure but the 3.5 is just a fun engine to drive all around. Low end torque is awsome where the 5.0 lacks. My choice would be the 3.5 then the 5.0.
I've leased 3 F150's since 2013. The first was a 5.0, the second was a 2.7 eb and currently driving a 3.5 eb. I have loved them all. The only reason I'm driving the 3.5 is because I tow a 7500 lb camper. If I weren't, I'd definitely go back to the 5 liter...that truck was a lot of fun, but I must say that the eb pulls my camper up some pretty steep hills without breaking a sweat.
Didn't think the 2.7 could pull the camper huh?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 7500 lbs, towing capacity for the 2.7 would probably be exceeded.
@@harveyotoole2029 I'm quite positive the 2.7 is rated to 9k with the tow package.
@@harveyotoole2029 The 2.7 is rated for 10,000
I bought one of the last 5.4 Tritons made in 2010. Been a great engine, absolutely no problems , 120,000 miles and I expect many many more. I would keep it simple again and go with the 5.0. Less plumbing, fewer things to go wrong. You will be happy with any one of them, they are all great engines.
Got a 5.4 2010 with 144k and needed first plug swap at 140k no other problems with it. Got the ticking manifold though😂
I have a 5.4 2010 with 225 on it and it has been rock solid. Swapping to a 3.5 tomorrow!
I have a 2010 4.6 3v F150
I was sold within the first minute of seat time in the 3.5 Ecoboost. So much low end torque plus it screams up top with the turbos stuffing air down it's throat. The exhaust doesn't sing a beautiful v8 song BUT it does make turbo and BOV noises which sounds better and is way more fun to drive IMO. Love, LOVE, L O V E my 3.5.
I have a 2002 ford f150 with 149,000 miles. Still runs great. Still looks great. No problems . It is a 4.6L. Xlt. Triton v8. Those motors like in those crown vics are true champions. Dont make them like they use too. Most reliable engine
I've got a 2005 F-150 4.6 305,000 miles. They are a great engine for reliability.
After all the problems with my 5.0. Oil consumption and the knock on Startup and timing chain Chatters. I'll take the 3.5L!
I love my 2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost with the 10 speed in sport mode puts a smile on my face every time I smash the gas pedal.
Same with my 2.7. Don't see the point in mustangs after u have a F150 leap like they do in sport!
What’s your average fuel mileage? I have a 2019 with 5,000 miles and I’m averaging 12.7... hahaha. Terrible.
@@85YotaMan I have a 2018 3.5 and average 20-21 mixed town and highway.
Love my 2020 F150 5.0 here in the thumb of Michigan. Sounds great and getting around 20mpg on 87 octane.👍
another reason i cant see the EB engines, pretty much same mpg and less things to worry about with the 5.0 maintenance wise
I have 2 3.5 EB my son has a 5.0 they do sound different I miss the roar but my Grandkids love the set you back in the seat when the turbo boost up, so unless I Roush it I’ll take 3,5 any day
FWIW, I have a 2011 F-150 with the EcoBoost, first year. 186K miles. I'm happy with it, no plans on getting rid of it any time soon. I get anywhere from 15-16.5 MPG, but don't drive hardly any highway or more open roads. It happens to be a max tow version, but I don't really tow with it at all, at least not anymore. When I got it, camper and horse trailers were towed around a bit, but those have gone in more recent years.
great timing for this video just bought a 2018 5.0...And I was worried about all the oil consumption/rattle issues. after 3000 miles I saw some oil consumption. glad to see that technicians would still chose the 5.0.
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
Do not use Ford oil. My 14-3.5 and my wife’s 18 escape w a 2.0EB have never had anything other than amsoil
@@pootieputin2771 Tool.
Awesome video. You guys definitely need to do this video again every 2 years or so since opinions and technology is always changing.
I’ve been a ford man all my life. Personally all 3 are great engines imo Iv driven them all. But to me if you are going to only keep the truck for 2-4 years go eco boost, within that little time you won’t see any of the issues that they develop with age. If your going to keep the truck over 4 years or over 150k miles then go 5.0 they have much longer problem free life spans. Or if your a motor head then go 5.0 as well it has much more potential for making power with upgrades. But as with anything mechanical just remember they will always give problems at some point regardless of which engine you go with. Nothing is perfect because everything is built by the hands of imperfect people.
"[...] if your a motor head then go 5.0 as well it has much more potential for making power with upgrades." Only with very very expensive upgrades. The 5.0 will never beat a tuned slightly modded 3.5 unless you boost it.
Had a 3.5 excellent motor, my dad has a 5.0 I absolutely love it. I went on and bought a 2018 5.0.
I recently bought a certified preowned 2020 with a 2.7 and I am pleasantly surprised and pleased with it, including towing.
Two months ago, I purchased an F150 5.0 V8 based on a similar video. At 2,800 miles, the oil level was almost to the end of the dip stick. It was full of course when I bought it. I searched the internet, and read that a lot of folks are having oil consumption issues with the 5.0. The mechanics wanted to do an oil consumption test. The dealership worked with me, and I traded it in for a 3.5L EcoBoost.
There's a tsb update that stops consumption I got 95k on mine and hasn't burned a drop
Also u had a brand new truck u shoulda put 93 octane in it and run it hard for 100 miles got the piston rigs to ceat
2:00 Well, you would expect to see fewer of them in there as there are many, many more 3.5 EB motors sold than 5.0 Coyote. The EB is in more models - trucks, SUVs, cars.
Mitchell I have the 5.0.
I e had the 6 as well. Hands down 5.0. Economy when you need it. Pull when you need it. Win win.
3.5 gets better mpg and tows alot more, so you're a moron
2nd. Always the V8 for me
5.0 at 2 to 1. Love my 5.0L!! It use to be my work truck/ personal truck. Never a breakdown in 96K miles. At 12 years old, I’ve just replaced the plugs and probably go to 200K on them. Replaced the transmission fluid and brake fluid for the first time. Still drives like it’s was brand new. May install Roush exhaust pipes one day!
I'm a turbo guy all day long 3.5 , I have a 93 cobra and I add a turbo. It's a big difference when you work on a truck as a job vs for fun and up grades.
What about the oil consumption of the 18- up 5.0, and the “ fix” was a lower holes dipstick and overfill the engine ?
That's what they did to my truck. Bunch a bs
WARNING FORD FANS!!!! Scotty Kilmer says the 5.0L oil consumption problem is a Ford class defect that Ford won't admit to. All of Ford's work arounds don't address or fix the real problem..... which is that Ford used an aluminum block on these 5.0 engines, and didn't sleeve the cylinders. They used a ceramic coating in these cylinders (to save a few pennies), and this coating is either failing or it isn't working as it's supposed to, thus causing the massive oil consumption problem.
Just get a 6.2 GM and all is good
@@pootieputin2771 I believe 2020 5.0 is good now
@@derson754 Seriously? Scotty is more of a car guy than 99%+ of Americans... and he's definitely not anti-American..... He tells it like it is.
I was out in the desert yesterday and there were guys with 500 hp Ecoboost, heavily modified, raptors tearing up the dunes. It was pretty awesome to see. There weren't any 5.0 f150s. Out here guys with 6.2 raptor are getting rid of them for the Ecoboost version.
3 years 50k on my Trump Red STX 2.7, 20.4 mpg in town, ain’t going say it’s better than a 5.0 or 3.5, but it is soooo good and will bust 5.3’s and 5.7’s at the lights all day long, if Grammy ain’t riding shotgun; she’s Penticostal and Jesus and her frown on that sort of thing. Great video!
Haha. I ate 2.7's with my 5.7 easily. Did those folks know you were actually racing?
BlueElk not with a 10 speed trans your not
I've got a '97 F150 4.6 with over 350k..still driving it!
I have a 2015 f150 with a 5.0, it has 130,000 miles with zero issues, great truck.
I have a 2018 with the 5.0 , 75K miles, no issues , I do tow a trailer, when not towing I get 25 mpg on the highway, I think I will keep it for another 75K
So I’ve had no oil consumption with my 17 5.0 still running strong with 70000 km. And the sound of a 8 cylinders is just like rock and roll!!
I got 95k on my 2018 5.0 no issues no oil consumption I love it
We need a updated video!! I Wonder how this video will hold up on the new 2021 F150s the 5.0s with the nee belt driven oil pump and cylinder deactivation. I’d take the 3.5Ecoboost just for the more power alone now
I appreciate the candid, honest approach of this video. I would do business with this dealer any day.
The techs just hate dealing with turbos. It's extra work. If you aren't towing, go 5.0. If you're towing over 10,000lbs, go 3.5L. If you're towing under 6,000lbs get the 2.7L. That little 2.7L was designed by diesel techs, damn thing is so strong it doesn't need sleeves in the cylinders. Get 26mpg save a lot of money.
I buy a new F-150 ever year or two, I bought one of the first 3.5 eco's in 2011, 2012 I got a 5.0,,loved it, In 2016 I got a 2.7,,Strong little motor but it sounds like a sick sewing machine, 2018 I went back to the 5.0,,,,395 HP,,,I get 23 & 24 MPG on a trip, put dual pipes with FLOW MASTER cat back,,,Love the sound,,,I think it's the best all around motor ford has to offer.
Well, I use to work for ford, and the 3.5 ecoboost is my go to. The 5.0 can NOT tow like the 3.5 can.
It's that low end tourqe
Don't read into this. A) it's a tiny sample size, B) we don't know the sales breakdown per engine type in the area of this dealership, but we do know the turbo mills handily outsell the V8 nationally so one would think they would naturally see more come in for maintenance, and C) it's the person's opinion who is actually using the vehicle that matters most.
The office guy says ‘because we see a lot of problems with the 5.0’ and the techs say they don’t see a lot of 5.0’s ‘back here’ - very strange.
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I’ve got a 2015 with a 2.7 and I love it. I’ve had it since brand new and I just hit 90,000 miles a few days ago. Never had any issues
Same here I have 91k no issues except a sensor at 1000 miles the dealer changed. Am pretty happy ..seen the 2.7 3.5 already with 200 300k plus on forums. So they are just as good
Jay G They are better than the 18-20 5.0.
i went with with the 3.3, simple like the 5.0, based on the previous 3.5 ... gets good fuel and can tow my 20ft center console just fine . and still got the reliable 6 speed
I’m sorry I don’t know everything about Ford what is 3.3 naturally aspirated?
@@victorsaenz9452 yeah
Have a 2014 with the 5.0 and it's been flawless
actually i love videos like this! straight from the guys that work on them at the dealership!!5.0 all day long i agree! majority rules most of the time anyways...it shows here!!
3.5 EcoBeast! The 5.0 belt driven oil pump in the sump of the pan and cylinder deactivation are absolute deal breakers.
Ever heard of tow haul tard?
My 2.7EB is fantastic. Loads of torque when I need it. 17MPG towing in stop-go traffic. And, 25MPG highway. Plus, it's QUICK off the line.
How much weight are you towing when you're getting 17mpg?
I own a 18 regular cab with a 5.0, Airaid cold air intake and Borla exhaust!!! Put trans in Sport mode and hang on!!! This thing screams!!!