DISCUSSION WITH A PROTESTANT ON SOLA FIDE

[@Mkvine]

Sam has a good point about faithfulness. If you look at Hebrews 11:31 it says "By faith" Rahab hid the spies, whereas James 2:24 it says by "works" Rahab hid the spies. See how both faith and works are encompassed in the same action? This implies faithfulness.

[@shamounian]

BAM!!!!

[@Mkvine]

@@greatbriton8425 I’m not sure I fully agree with that. You said it was not by faith that she hid the spies. But that just begs the question, by what did she hid the spies then? By her faithlessness? Moreover, you are drawing a sharp dichotomy between her faith and hiding the spies, but the verse doesn’t do that. In fact, the verse explains her faith *in terms of* hiding the spies. If you look at the translations, they use the words “because” “for” “when” to connect her faith with hiding the spies - it’s one fluid thing. Moreover, these words (because, for, when) indicate the *reason for* something. So hiding the spies was *the reason* for her faith. There is no sharp distinction here.

[@anglican-episcopalian]

JD needs to learn more 😊

[@mugumearnold6523]

​@@lancehopkinsmusic faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God . the some text says don't be hearers only but be doers of the word. but let us not forget that the faith by works doesn't redeem us or guarantee us eternal life the promise for which we hope for. faith in Jesus Christ is what will bring us eternal life but our works are nothing only through Christ Jesus shall we be justified❤❤❤❤

[@ManuelVasquez]

God called him Friend without the water baptism which was custom through Levitical law., and he wasn't circumcised until after he had Faith.@@lancehopkinsmusic

[@alexschexnayder8624]

I was having vietnam flashbacks to my protestant days listening to this. You're a better man than I am Sam.

[@titusflaviusvespasian5923]

I always lose my temper arguing with Protestants. Even in my Protestant days I never believed in "faith alone", which in English should be translated as "fidelity alone", in the sense of faithfulness. As love, faith is a continuous work that never stops. I revered the Catholic Church for her influence over European civlization and how she created a little of heaven on earth for centuries, and Protestant friends of mine just hated and bashed the Catholic Church into oblivion. They pride themselves reading the Bible all the time that they lose all sense of reality and how the world actually works and has worked.

[@OrthodoxJourney359]

As an ex-protestant, I see "Pastor". J.D. keeps tripping over his own arguments because of his own manmade traditions. Pray for J.D..

[@gamer-vh9sh]

For Sam too, he's Assyrian Church of the East

[@gmc4733]

Catholics have false teachings like believing Jesus is actually present in the eucharist, making Sunday mass obligatory when no where in Bible it says so, creating graven images and Bowing down to them breaking the ten commandmenments, praying to dead, confessing to Priest, believing penance will take away sins without repentance, baptizing child when he has no knowledge of Jesus, etc.

[@Biggun3567]

​@@gmc4733then you don't have continuity of the Church of God study a bit more of the church fathers instead of trusting in your own interpretation of Scripture study the first thousand years of Christianity bud

[@roddycavin4600]

​​@@gmc4733so St Ignatius of Antioch who was taught by St John the apostle and legend has it was baptised by Peter was wrong when he wrote to the church in Smyrna just before being martyred claiming the real presence in the Eucharist in 108 and?

[@roddycavin4600]

​@@gmc4733was Justin Martyr wrong in 155ad to write to the emperor Antonnius Pius telling him that they meet on a Sunday?

[@kevinc9594]

I realize this is a year old. But, JD is so busy trying to prove his point based on his ideas, that he twists meanings of words, either expands or restricts definitions to try to prove his point that he's restricting his mind from learning or hearing you. It has helped to cement my decision to convert from United Methodist to Catholic. I've been reading the RCIA online book and so many things I didn't agree with in the Methodist Church, is explained well and just makes sense. Things I have been told Catholics believe, I now know isn't true. When he suggests that your teaching beliefs of men and when you stand before God (a terror point Protestants love to throw at people) i understand your point to be that the church and its traditions and what the Catholic church believes is not the result of a man deciding the churches faith, but it is based on the inspired leading of the holy spirit. I have been led to my decision in so many ways as I have tried to lean on the holy spirit to guide my path in the course of my life and not simply rely on what the Methodist church or any church says I should believe, and that has led me solidly to the Catholic church. I do wish JD would slow down a bit and I pray that he will sincerely listen. He's an awesome guy and I love how much he loves the lord...I believe the Lord is working on him through the holy spirit, I pray he gets out of his own way and let's the holy spirit truly lead and guide him to the truth. Thank you for your patience and compassion with this man and for the work you do in following God's call on your life.

[@germanoustangopono7707]

This pastor is to pride.

[@germanoustangopono7707]

Pastor, it is God who decides for who to you to go in heaven . Because God is a mercy and full of love for humanityBecause.

[@Saul-StPaul]

The same way you show love is through action, you show faith through the action. You must act to show faith, and not just by saying you have it. Sam, you make understanding the Bible very easy. I appreciate and enjoy the way you explain. May God continue to bless you and your good work.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

It is a little bit frustrating for a liturgical Christian like myself, familiar with the old rites, first Christians, Church Fathers, etc. to try and listen to J.D. not having done a bit more homework on the first 4 or so centuries of the Church.
The points he is starting over the first 20 minutes are wrote.
When Sam was using 2 Timothy, that should have encouraged J.D. to amend his point at least on the "gates of Hell" only to the apostles point.
It makes him come across as less sincere than I believe he is.
Questioning the Church Fathers like Polycarp who was specifically taught and placed by the apostle John takes some real lack of self-analysis.
I wonder if he's read St. Ireneaus? St. Ignatius? St. Athanasius? St. Basil or St. Cyprian? Would they make a difference to him or would he instead prefer his own inclinations?
The Bible is very obviously not simple, especially 2 millenia and 3000 miles away from the original audience.
I defer to the ancient bishops of the Church over my own judgement of the Gospel.
I am a Catholic.

[@AlexSaavy]

What a great point. Did John the Baptist suggest people get baptized we he was declaring that the Kingdom of God was at hand? What a joke.

[@kakhakheviashvili6365]

And as a Catholic, do you not believe great deal of things, that not only don't agree with, but directly contradict Church fathers? Maryology, for example.
So in a world, where both Protestants, Orthodox and Catholics disagree with the First Church teachings, using disagreement with Church fathers as a sign of a lack of humility is a very dangerous thing.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@kakhakheviashvili6365, the Council of Ephesus disagrees with you, as do a large number of the earliest writings we have from the fathers.
Are there particular tenants you have in mind? I believe there documentary evidence which could clear this up.

[@ManuelVasquez]

John didn't invent water baptism. They were Jews under the Old Covenant and required to keep the Levitical laws of ceremonial cleansing to be considered ritually pure .@@AlexSaavy

[@ManuelVasquez]

The issue is when desired interpretation disagrees and adds to the Gospel things to the Gospel that differ from Jesus' words, add things that contradict what He said, or promote things out of context. W are called to est all words against Scripture There is only One High Priest. Even Peter was directly scolded. @@kakhakheviashvili6365

[@hernanifigueiredo6065]

Great discussion, Sam was going easy on the young pastor, Sam humbly trying to show the pastor some good stuff, but the pastor have some pride issues he have to deal with. Tank you Sam for your patience, all for the glory of JESUS CRIST

[@atuamato5496]

Glory and praise to the Triune God for this dialogue, it is an answer to prayer! I pray for more like this amongst our brothers. I have become a better listener under your tutelage brother Sam and I praise God for your brotherly love towards your ‘younger’ brother. Looking forward to part 2. God bless you both💕

[@CandanceIsMyName]

You all who were raised in apostolic churches, I don't think you know the depth of insanity that goes on in some Protestant churches. I've heard things from Protestant pastors that would turn your blood cold. I had a pastor tell me once that God hates most of the human race, and "the world" in John 3:16 refers to vegetation on planet earth. I've heard a teacher teach that dead babies of unbelievers go to hell but dead babies of Christians are "clean" and thus saved. I've heard a pastor say divorce is God's will because a marriage that ends in divorce was predestined that way and therefore hadn't been binding before God. Just a few examples off the top of my head. If you think this Pastor JD is unreasonable, you aint seen nothing yet.

[@shamounian]

preach it!

[@CandanceIsMyName]

@@eagleclaw1179 and yet the Gentiles do by nature the things of the law. don't take extreme comments about the wicked to use as a maxim for the whole human race.

[@CandanceIsMyName]

@@eagleclaw1179 It's Psalm 5. You completely missed my point. Unbelievers are not all bad all the time. The most extreme language about wicked people doesn't apply to everyone.

[@CandanceIsMyName]

@@eagleclaw1179 you are deliberately being obtuse

[@AJ_Jingco]

As a cradle Catholic God is both Love & Mercy and Holy & Just.

[@idkwis2230]

I am protestant I respect catholics
If you believe Jesus Christ is lord and he died for your sins and repent I see you as a brother or sister in Christ our lord

[@idkwis2230]

Love you Sam shamounian
Preach the gospel convert them to catholicism or anytype of non heretical Christian group
It's better than being a pagan muslim

[@Murfeynews]

So could Catholics go to heaven and if I’m a Protestant will I gn to heaven because all this is confusing to me since there is a lot of different groups

[@idkwis2230]

@@Murfeynews if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that he died ,rose again and is God
Along with the holy Trinity you are saved

[@idkwis2230]

And repent of your sins

[@wintermetalhd]

@@idkwis2230 Unfortunately, that's not what Catholics believe. You can't get saved unless you are a Catholic, and trust in your own good works, and go to purgatory, and hope your family can pray you out of purgatory.

[@sharingthegospel8570]

Sam, my brother. I'm a protestant and I would love to have this same conversation with you. I listen to your show and have benefitted and learned a ton. Love you man. I don't think this brother did a great job. Im not saying I'd do better but I'd at least answer and question differently.I also think I would have more helpful questions to you for the sake of the audience.

[@shamounian]

skype me if you can answer serious questions and stay on topic: benny_malik3

[@ifreddycoco]

A bit frustrating to listen to, I wish JD would listen more though I’m only halfway through.
Edit: ok 75% through - very frustrating.

[@houtmansimanjuntak3600]

We are proud of you Sam; trust that Holy Spirit will guide you always. We pray for you, for your daughter and your family. Stay safe and be healthy

[@NathanielBartholomew92]

Arians literally made the same arguments he did at their heretical councils. "The third Council of Sirmium, in 357, was the high point of Arianism. The Seventh Arian Confession (Second Sirmium Confession) held that both homoousios (of one substance) and homoiousios (of similar substance) were unbiblical and that the Father is greater than the Son."

[@WomanNextDoor]

The saying "patience of a Saint" springs to mind watching this.
Sam, well done brother 🙏

[@Vereglez-d4z]

The pastor has a lot to learn...I hope he comes back on. God bless you Sam. 🙏🏽

[@kyleschumacher508]

I've been watching you for a while now Sam. Your Knowledge is IMMENCE concerning scripture and Church history. I have been learning so much from you. I am so glad that in this video you had such patience. This brother was splitting hairs and diverting the whole time. You did great at explaining even though he tried to not let you. BUT.. you did it with a patient heart. It saddens me to see that your patience is running out nowadays. Don't get lost in the stream of comments. Keep using your wealth of biblical knowledge for Him, don't grow tired. With great power comes great responsibility.

[@samuelmalua574]

Martin is showcasing the reason why there should be an age limit on becoming a pastor(at least 40 imo). I do understand his thought process because when I was 25 that’s how I thought before I learned church history. The facts are in scripture, no one cares about what you personally think.

[@elKarlo]

Agreed. He fundamentally did not understand the Nicean council at all. He really needs to understand it and not just have the baptists talking points about it only.

[@ourlastchanceforus]

This guy thinks Jesus was not in the Church for 1,500 years and suddenly he came into the earth with the protestants!!🤪😂 when Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”. Thant means that Jesus BULIT his Church when he was on earth and it would continue and never dissapear no matter the attempts of the protestants and masons to destroy it.

[@OfficialDenzy]

Whats the church then

[@daultontippett446]

@@OfficialDenzyhope they see this but exactly, and it’s says BUILD not BUILT dangerous game to play with Gods word and to answer to them it is the believers in the body of Christ, we are One in Christ not some building not some passed on tradition from man but I believe it’s the message that if you believe in the Lord and call unto him you will be saved by HIM ONLY not of I but it is what HE HAS DONE

[@meanjoehix4534]

1 hour in and so far it seems like JD comes to a conclusion within the first 2 seconds of each sentence Sam says and completely ignores the actual points Sam makes, which has lead to JD constantly strawmanning i think literally every single argument Sam has put forward. It's actually very irritating to listen to.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

The wording of the Nicaean/Constantinopolitan Creed is just Acts 2?
This creed was labored and fought over in the early 4th century.
It WAS NOT prima facie, if was to delineate what was true teaching from false, dealing with of course Arias but also Paul of Samasota and his false baptisms.
J.D.'s willingness to come on is commendable, but he seems very young in his study of the faith.
I hope that he continues to follow the commands of Christ Jesus and is filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@Mkvine]

Even if he says it’s constructed from Acts 2, that only supports the Catholic/Orthodox position. Since the Fathers who created the Nicene Creed all believed in baptismal regeneration, then this means the early Church saw Acts 2 as teaching the same. That gives our interpretation ancient support and means the Protestant one is novel.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

@@Mkvine, well stated.

[@jasonneal1581]

Lord, have mercy. The J.D. guy is trapped within false dialectics and rationalizations to tenuously cling onto his erroneous presuppositions.
It is such a relief to be a part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Orthodox Church, leaving the chaos and confusion of Protestantism behind.

[@keatsiannightingale2025]

The fact that you feel the need to say that exposes you as a babe in Christ.

[@lukejohnson1274]

J.D. would have to give up his career and livelihood to accept the truth. Many pastors have done it because they understand truth and eternity are more important than their career in a heretical sect.

[@notom4519]

Jesus also said. If you love me, you obey me and if you obey me, you love me.

[@dannybraverman]

I pray Protestant pastors wake up to the truth. In the name of Jesus. Sam you schooled him. He is blinded by Satan

[@MarcConnelly-hn8uu]

What if Sam's wrong.

[@sandosam807]

​@@MarcConnelly-hn8uuI doubt it. Catholics are more likely to have the truth than protestants. I don't think this protestant is blinded by satan though. I understand their thinking

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

How is the pastor 'blinded by Satan" ?

[@jeankrishalacaba6980]

He is not here to learn but to preach his doctrine.

[@jennyrussell4626]

I was just gonna say that!

[@alexandertorro]

Lol.. That applies to both partys. So...which guy?

[@daniellaradiaz5476]

@@alexandertorroone is intellectually honest

[@alexandertorro]

@daniellaradiaz5476
Again... Lol.. that comment, too....applies to both partys!

[@BeingBornAgain96]

It's a debate !!
Who said anything about learning ??

[@Aleksandr-Herman]

36:03
A Protestant makes up a hypothetical story to prove his point. Sam uses that same hypothetical story to disprove him. The Protestant starts to whine that this is not fair because the story is hypothetical....
.....Nothing to add....
🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BigDaddyCatholic]

JD is the perfect example of why there are 33,000 different Protestant denominations in the U.S. that don’t agree on anything because they all have their own personal interpretations.

[@Fred_the_Head]

33,000 different denominations? Could you simply list 3,300 or 10%?

[@RichiePGD]

The Pastor's most common phrase was "I think..." Opinions don't mean anything. He's already presupposing faith alone throughout the whole conversation without proving it

[@ManuelVasquez]

It wasn't his presupposition. The Gospel directly states it. James the brother of Jesus restates it, Paul, and it's also taught by Paul to both the Gentiles and Jewish converts. Sam was arguing regarding what Faith is/ means and accidentally rejecting the definitions used by Paul in Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians. He jumped into debate mode Rejecting Arminian doctrine as he was moving towards Catholicism and trying to protect his conversion. A fun discussion that accidentally became heated and changed to Soteriology. Good inspiration for us to continue studying the Word.

[@zamundalion]

This JD guy is a pastor? Teaching people? Pray for him.

[@avg516]

This “pastor’ is difficult to listen to because he is being obtuse. He seems to believe in himself rather than Jesus.
and I am not convinced he is motivated by the Holy Spirit. Sam is certainly filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@gerardducharme2146]

J.D. please stop tap dancing. The Apostolic Faith proceeded Protestantism by centuries.

[@maxbarkdull875]

Very tiring when non-Orthodox/Catholic Christians get in the hypothetical weeds of when a person is saved -- and to what degree are the sacraments important. What event happened in the river with John the Baptist and Jesus?

[@AJ_Jingco]

We are not SAVED, as it's a one time event. But we are being SAVED, as it's a lifelong process.

[@zachariaseymore5202]

​@@AJ_Jingco Wow, I guess Jesus was lying to the thief on the cross! Since he didn't have a lifetime, he was a terrible person his whole life! Oh well, I hope he's enjoying hell?

[@RafaelGarcia-jb3me]

⁠@@AJ_Jingcowe are saved the moment we are baptized then from that point we are maintaining that status.

[@menoftheclothKTOG]

Easy solution: the children are required to be OBEDIENT to their parents. So, yes, faithful in that they are actively obedient (obeying) the parents. Therefore faithfulness in being obedient in an active sense.

[@shamounian]

yep.

[@bewitchedprophetofislam9048]

I commend the patience and grace brother Sam exhibited in this discussion. It was frustrating how many straw-men Martin used in this discussion and how he came into this his with fixed protestant/ antiCatholic beliefs until he was pressed to finally open the Bible and see what scripture said rather than his opinions or private interpretations, which became very telling once the Bible was opened. Typical Calvinistic/ protestant habit of reading scripture through that lens and avoiding biblical exegesis, rather letting scripture speak for itself. To try to skirt around or appeal to Greek to wax eloquent when his position backfires in light of proper exegesis was frustrating. He came in with his objections against the creeds, with his false assumptions against the creeds even though he couldn’t prove this clearly due of his limited knowledge on the subject.
Glory to God that brother Sam was gracious and didn’t go for the juggler.
I hope he rewatches this and sees his flaws and corrects them on his journey out of Calvinism and in other future discussions.
As a protestant on a journey myself I can relate fully with the demeanour and anti Catholic objections.
I urge protestants to take off their protestant lenses and study the rich history of the early Church to learn and appreciate the early church traditions, including the fathers, why the ancient churches reject sola scriptura and believe what they believe. This was my starting point.

[@user-qz3zi2dl3e]

I don't think Protestant or Catholicism matters because at the end, Jesus is the One matters. Even a guy with no religion (That died on cross beside Jesus) is also saved believing Jesus.

[@Musashination]

@@user-qz3zi2dl3e it matters because Christ didn't gave us a bible, he gave us a Church and then the Church gave us the Bible.

[@RougeKirschen]

@@MossEYE-Peter is the first pope and please google the meaning of Catholic in dictionary.

[@pa6lopicasso]

God bless you, Sam. You opened my eyes to the truth that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Christ. Thank you! Thank you so much, brother! Hallelujah 🙏🏼

[@Nektariosthebased5150]

I'm so happy that I am Orthodox. This is how strange I used to sound.

[@AlexSaavy]

News flash to Pastor JD: the Church worked out all of these issues long before Luther and Calvin. The truth didn’t just out of no where reappear in the 16th century. That puts you in the same category as Mormons if that’s what you think happened.
It’s obvious that you need to read more works by the fathers ante-reformation. Heck ante-Great Schism for that matter.

[@mjb9202]

J D wants to make Christ the sales product and use biblical scripture as sales speech but unfortunately he can't understand what's written in the Bible and explain anything anyway he likes... As always use humiliation as a Protestant tactics to misinterpret the scriptures and make other believe they are wrong ... May God show him the righteous way to learn coz this guy only wants to prove others wrong....

[@Keepithumble_]

This is such a beautiful discussion between brothers in Christ. Thank you Sam for your patience with the brethren and thank you to the other young man for your passion 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@sleeperino3054]

Sam, you’re a blessing to all Christians, especially those of the Apostolic Churches ✝️🙏🏼

[@exploringtheologychannel1697]

Thank you so much for having me on. I enjoyed this conversation

[@Mkvine]

Great discussion, hope to see more talks between you and Sam in the future.

[@carpediem7654]

May God guide you to the righteous path brother.

[@starship9629]

I hope you have a show together soon again. I really enjoyed it

[@exploringtheologychannel1697]

@@Mkvine I hope so as well.

[@exploringtheologychannel1697]

@@starship9629 It was a good conversation.

[@EliteBaby-bh7zq]

Protestants have such a terrible argument logically if I love my mother but I don’t shower acts of love. How can I possibly love her truly. You can say whatever you want but your words only mean how you act behind them I can say I’m the best father in the best husband in the best all-around man but if I can’t provide for my wife and children and be there emotionally and mentally and protect them physically then I’m just blabbing off in the mouth that’s the same argument for protestants

[@makro_bulletz5920]

Sam is a man of GOD !
GOD bless you Sam !

[@karlbekker777]

I think Pastor J.D has the right essence to the arguments. I do like Sam, and I'm thank ful for him. I've learnt an exceptional amount and his courage is infectious but while we debat the finality, don't forget our GOD came and Gave Up HIS LIFE for us all while we were still sinners. Salvation is a gift! so none can boast. Baptism is a statement to the enemy, being a berean is for edification if the LORD and to increase our faith and relationship with HIM.
Like anything, a healthy prayer life ( prayer of the righteous avail much ) and having connection with the LORD leads us to action in faith.

[@livewellandbeautiful]

Excellent closing statement, Sam. God bless! ✝♥

[@alphonsopereira2866]

With all due respect to the 'Pastor' he's rolling over! God Bless You Both.

[@NathanielBartholomew92]

So scary that this guy is a pastor....

[@roddycavin4600]

My thoughts exactly.

[@Melvin22001]

This is how people create their own churchs "I think" assumptions rather than going to scripture and the one who wrote them. Never seen soo many assumptions 😅.
Sam's being soo calm.

[@toypianokeys]

When you know the history of the early church and still think you know better than those who were there and by those who were discipled by those who were there, it's called pride. A deadly sin. I think Sam's ability to be strong and at the same time be humble and open, has resulted in him being one of the best preachers of our times. God bless you, Sam.

[@pm.v2]

i am not a protestant but i agree on "only faith" will get us in heaven. GOD doesn’t care about how much we donated, how many verses we can recite - its our heart and faith thats important.

[@liared7]

As a Catholic turn Protestant and back to being Catholic! I wholeheartedly agree, no amount of work can save you. Faith ALONE, plus work, it is ur receipt here on Earth.

[@maxinvasionleet]

​@liared7 how can you NOT see your own contradiction? "Faith ALONE, plus works" that's not faith alone my friend. That's faith plus works

[@Xpistophoros]

It’s not common a young brother makes me click off a video man. Bless you Sam for the patience it took for this discussion

[@joserp51]

James2:19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. Preach it Sam!

[@justfromcatholic]

Definition of faith given in Scripture is in Heb. 11:1: "faith is assurance of things we hope for, convictions of things we do not see." 1 Tim 4:10 says: " ... the living God, who is the Saviour of all people, especially those who believe". Salvation is not limited only to those who believe but it does not mean everybody will be saved either.

[@orthochristos]

This was very good. This man seems very sincere in his journey, albeit, a little stubborn at times.

[@michaellawlor5625]

At times? 😕

[@shamounian]

LOL!

[@orthochristos]

@@michaellawlor5625 Trying to be charitable. Cut the guy some slack, man...

[@michaellawlor5625]

@@orthochristos I wasn't digging you out, I was just saying it was a little more than a bit. 😁

[@orthochristos]

@@michaellawlor5625 I know you weren't. No worries. Let's not split hairs over the amount of how stubborn he was 😁

[@refr1983]

As a protestant myself i just witnessed the protestant brother argue himself out of his own arguments with the living word of God.

[@omiglio]

God bless Sam, this was very hard to watch. Sam made very clear points to a man that responded with non sensical answers. By avoiding all of Sams questions and responding with gibberish that only made sense to himself. That is why Protestants hang on to error. They are kings in their own domain but not reality. Sam, I pray that you come to the fullness of faith the Catholic Church. You are very well on your way, God Bless.

[@Gravioli.]

Why do you have to do works to be forgiven in catholicism? To me that’s as if saying Christs sacrifice wasnt enough

[@Gravioli.]

@@gurren638 i understand doing good works for the love you have for Christ. Like doing good works because you love Christ, therefore wanting to do good works. But i dont understand in catholicism why they say you have to do so many things to earn forgiveness when forgiveness came when Christ was on the cross. It just seems like they’re saying Christs sacrifice on the cross wasnt enough to be forgiven, which doesnt sit right with me.

[@JM-SB-JB]

@@Gravioli., was Christ’s sacrifice stopping you to commit sin?

[@Gravioli.]

@@JM-SB-JB Christ’s sacrifice paid the price for our sins. We all sin and continue to sin because we are sinners and sin is in the world, but if we repent and ask for forgiveness we will be forgiven because of Christs sacrifice. That’s literally the whole reason he did it.

[@ManuelVasquez]

Apart from your rejecting Popes Paul VI, Benedict XVI, and John Paul II's public view of Protestants and Christendom, you also trashed Orthodox and Catholic Charismatics which was result of papal investigation confirming Protestant doctrine and the Evangelical Pentecostal movement was a true movement of the Holy Spirit. Devout Catholics experienced the Holy Spirit presence with Spiritual Gifts. The Pope confirmed. The Vatican changed an almost millennia of doctrine and declared the Age of Spiritual gifts was not over and the previous Catholic stance of Cessationism had always been false.

[@danielr.5148]

As a Protestant evangelical, I find Sam's position more believable and more coherent. I agree with his position. Faith is all-encompassing.

[@perry900]

Infant baptism is ridiculous. How can a baby first understand sin. Make a decision to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. Only Jesus is out intermediary between us and the Father. He is sitting at the right hand of the Father. No one else. Yes baptism is required. It's the the third act of obedience. First believe, repent and be baptized and receive the holy spirit.

[@perry900]

@@KillerofGods the faith of the parents means they are covered until they come to age of understanding then they can make a decision and be baptized. What if they reject what you tell them and don't believe, then what is the good of your child baptism.

[@edbertels]

Baptism is God’s promise to us AND our children. (Acts 2:39). Whom he calls.

[@edbertels]

@@DOA011970
I just quoted the word. Here, I’ll help you with it.
38 And Peter said to them, " Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."
Acts 2:38-39

[@markr78]

Now I understand why sam does not debate or talk to everyone that reaches out to him ..jd came humble like he wanted to learn then debates every point and doesn't let sam explain his point..sam you have more patience then you think at 50:00 mark I was done with the ranting jd was doing 😒 may the Holy Spirit continue to use you and transform you and us all in Jesus christ name

[@bloop95]

This was frustrating to watch, JD seemed to answer without listening. Then when he is forced to listen changes the topic. Growing pains. Sam it was cool to see you move through the various switches and always references back to scripture regardless of where the conversation went. It would be interesting to see how JD would respond if he is more pinned down on some of these verses instead of bringing up other passages not related to the original question. I’m glad he was open to discussion nonetheless.

[@YosepRA]

I'm sorry, but it's utterly difficult to listen to this discussion.
I came here with curiosity about Sola Fide. But I got stubborn guest, weird analogies, straw manning, and speaking Greek as if to boast eloquence.
I don't get why Martin is stressing so much about faithfulness and believing, and spent a long time just to go round and round.
Then at other point, he and Sam are debating about the faithfulness of children, then Martin raised about children's age and the object of their faithfulness, whether it be God or their parents.
I'm speaking nonsense now. But my head is spinning listening to Sam, who is very patient here, and Martin who keeps going round and round, either trying to prove a point or "accidentally" confirming Sam's arguments.

[@shamounian]

Brother, this is the fruit of protestantism.

[@edge2sword186]

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin . Only the Blood of Christ can cleanse us from sin . As a Full Gospel Spirit Filled Christian I will say that people who believe should be baptized but there isn't enough water in the entire universe to wash away sin .The only baptism that counts is being baptized into the body of Christ it is a spirit baptism not water baptism .Your dead spirit is born again by faith not works .

[@ManuelVasquez]

You are citing the Gospel, but others are promoting Thomas Aquinas who openly disagreed with Jesus, Peter ,Paul, and many of the early church fathers. Thomas promoted ideas that were condemned by the early church , including directly multiple popes and listed as great Heresies in "Adversus Haereses" from the 2nd century A.D.

[@aliszhinchaenz]

The problem with these protestants is that they refuse to believe that Jesus created a church that even death shall not prevail against it.

[@iammarvindelvalle574]

Sam, your patience with this young man was a real act of kindness but unfortunately, unless he is willing to approach the next conversation with you "with a humble heart" nothing will come out of it. Probably because he is very young, or he was eager to prove a few points, but he came across as extremely arrogant, as someone that was not willing to listen. Hopefully he will soon learn the 'ego is the enemy". Blessings to you brother, and to the people that support the work that you do.

[@williammichael1061]

Great comment. Spot on 👌

[@carolbratosin4135]

I hope that this young man will go back and listen to this debate and understand the sloppiness of his performance and that he will come to the understanding of the Truth, as preached by the Apostles and their followers. It is so sad to see people entangled in their own pride, without the ability to recognize their mistakes.

[@jerryrhodes274]

I can surely say Sam is blessed of the Spirit to teach! If you have ears of true discernment, you have to listen. Sam is a faithful servant, but don't believe in Sam believe in the saving grace of God.

[@charlesqbanks]

There is none righteous no not one, not Mary, not Noah, no one. If God would keep certain people from all sin, then why would He not just keep us all from sin? Also what is the point of keeping Mary an immaculate virgin after Christ's birth? And if Mary were immaculate, and was assumed into Heaven, why does not scripture show that? Surely the canonical scriptures inspired and kept by God should have explicitly revealed such important points and events? But we don't get that teaching from any of the original disciples or apostles, we get them from later Church fathers, many of whom we know fell into heresies about purgatory, religious rites, prayer to saints, etc.

[@OrphanCrippler1]

I dont understand how just anyone can be a pastor. If he even is an actual pastor.

[@JoseHernandez-qv1wo]

This gentleman is a perfect example of why there is more than 40,000 denominations now days, do not interpret the scriptures by yourself.

[@ninjanunch2769]

I grew up Roman Catholic been to the Vatican when I was 11 im 31 now and was adopted from Italian/Sicilian family when I was 3 days old. Grew up in Chicago and went to church when I was younger but stopped going as I got older. My family fell apart, I got addicted to drugs and now im clean and wanting to get back into my Faith. I never stopped believing and wouldn't be here without Jesus Christ. I love your channel Sam I've been watching alot of your videos and debates with Muslims. You have alot of wisdom I know alot of studying went into your knowledge. Also sidenote since your Assyrian I'm not sure but you probably have heard of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel he is also Assyrian and It would be awesome maybe one day for you two to maybe do a skype together if that is possible.

[@shamounian]

I grew up in Chicago as well. Where in Chicago?

[@ninjanunch2769]

@@shamounian NW side. Went to St Monica's I grew up right across the street. Moved a few times but stayed in the area like Chicago but close to park ridge hardwood heights and norridge

[@shamounian]

what were the major cross sections?

[@ninjanunch2769]

@@shamounian Mont Clare and Foster ave

[@josephj5050]

The pastor must get to grips with the fact that if the Church Father's are right,he is wrong,and the Church Father's were guided by the Holy Spirit.
Were the Church Father's guided or misguided by the Holy Spirit?
So Pastor where does this leave your belief?

[@doublem1971]

Sam prays for patience and the Lord sends JD.😂

[@thinkitsnotillegalyet]

😂😂😂

[@cassiopeia4672]

The whole conversation of him was 'i think/no i don't think'. But it's a very interesting discussion thanks Sam and pastor JD👍

[@panokordosis648]

Sam is a breath of fresh air. Excellent debater.

[@YCV624]

This was not a debate; this was J.D. preaching to Sam. Sam was extremely patient with him.

[@TheRockIsCooking]

This is the most patient I’ve ever seen Sam lol 😂

[@emiliohernandez4125]

If you notice the different way of talking between them, you really get to know who has the truth.
The pastor always starts by saying "i think" or "to me"
And Sam does not.
So its between what the protestant think and feel ,
And what the true church of Christ KNOWS.

[@basicin4mationvlog293]

I've got headache listening to this guy. There's already an example Sam give but he still wants to give his own analogy so he can skip. And worst he keeps cutting Sam.

[@ChanceandChoice]

Sam you were incredily patient with this guy. He was insuferable and petulant. Contrarian to a fault. He did not come for dialogue, he came to be correct. He reminds me of Destiny.

[@HillSummitHomestead]

God bless every brother & sister in Christ. We live in the 21st century and much like many a generation before us who were not able to learn at the Apostles feet or at the feet of those who did, so we are all on a journey that has many distractions and noise from some very proud people.
Praise God, we have The Church to turn to, as we see here.
God bless the both of you.

[@gutiux]

Protestantism is to go in little circles. And make tradition fit what a man not long ago said. That's what I get from this intent of conversation.

[@autohrap5884]

Yes, i have been trying to figure out where Sam lands, is he Catholic?

[@Manofwar7]

Usually like Sam but I think is off on this. Referring to the church fathers is frankly a moot point. Seems to be unsure about the Popes position. In 2023 the pope blesses homosexual unions! Furthermore, he would not be considered the worst pope.
The first chapters of Revelation John is rebuking the church and leaders. The church at Corinth along with its leaders were a hot mess. The point is look at the BIBLE. That's the Word of God! Sam wants to go back and look at the fathers for instruction. Epic fail IMO. He has magnified His Word above His name... Psalm 138.

[@luuhoang9917]

Sam , because you search only for the truth, God grant you the truth. Many protestants already have their bias, prejudices from their family background when they grow up , so the truth is not what they look for. They try to find in the Bible whatever saying, verses fit their bias. Thank to Jesus Christ who look into your heart and bring you to the truth through Holy Spirit.
May God always bless you to be firm in the truth.

[@agorabusinessgroup2723]

Is it only me but doesn’t anyone here notice how debating with Bible Alone Christians is very similar to debating with a Muslim? Because Sola Scriptura is actually inspired to reformers leaders by their Muslim professor of philosophy !

[@manoloortega9257]

The pastor won't understand until he stops being his own Pope and surrenders himself to our Lord Jesus Crist.

[@zakomomomo4407]

sam is extremely patient

[@MrEvoXI]

Excellent stream, keep up the great work!

[@exploringtheologychannel1697]

I really enjoyed this conversation between Sam and me.

[@jamestea5085]

As a Baptish Sam's argument is what i accept, the Pastor thinks that the Gospel is grammer

[@AJ_Jingco]

I don't know if Sam is a Catholic or an Orthodox. Faith WITHOUT Deeds is Useless.

[@Gandalf_the_GOAT]

He is Catholic.

[@user-vl1dm9yc6x]

"I don't think abiding by his word means believing" - why does this give me flashbacks of conversations with muslims haha

[@karkkimarkkinat2109]

Sam, start doing neck/shoulder exercises. It'll massively improve your physique 👌🏻

[@joeisaac2358]

The Pastor keep saying (in my opinion). we are NOT interesting in your opinion, we are interesting in FACTS.

[@agorabusinessgroup2723]

Sometimes I wonder if people think the devil dose have faith in God in the literal and simplistic meaning of faith ! Faith in the Context of the whole Bible (context of the typological revelation of salvation plan from Abraham to Jesus): Faith is like a wise man said like a pregnant word ! But again, you have to realize how debating with Bible Alone Christians is sadly as debating with Muslims, that simplistic and extremely literal understanding of the Bible is painful to witness, but that is also why God is great, it teaches you patience and love, the more you debate challenging behaviors-debaters the more you grow in Love and patience. Fruits of the gifts of the Holy Spirit !
Thanks a lot Samshamoun ! Praise God !

[@ChristIsKing561]

I was banging my head watching this lol good video as always

[@cathuk5910]

Just watching this now...something not spiritually right with this young man..sounds like when Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Saviour of The World was tempted in the wilderness...remember you know the devil knows scripture...I hope and pray that he finds The Truth only God knows if he is sincere.

[@bryankeithr16]

Believing is an action word!

[@theclaverman]

Yes it certanly is. But is not your action, it’s Gods action (Joh 1, 12-13) The faith is something wich comes when the gospel is preached (Rom 10,17). Actions is born out of faith, but faith itself is no action of ours.

[@Bryan-vm4fg]

Sam this is why you do what you do and God has blessed you not only with intellect but also patience.

[@sirevatt]

Faith is metaphysical, and faithfulness flows from it and is evidenced through action. Just like love is invisible, but physical acts of love show that love truly dwells in someone's heart. Hence why Jesus says "If you love me, you will keep my commandments", whats on the inside, is evidenced by outward action. Even though the outward actions is distinct from whats on the inside.

[@beautythought3502]

Sam I have been watching you since your Protestant days.. I’m catholic ❤️