As someone who has zero patience for "unspoken rules" bullshit (they exist just to reinforce social hierarchies, by identifying outsiders so they can be discriminated against and punished; any rule worth following can be spoken and people can be persuaded to follow it with reason, not bullied by the group), that kind of abuse being so "normalized" in these kinds of communities fills me with rage.
The 7 Minutes in Heaven thing is definitely real, and your assertion that it is an American thing is also accurate. To my experience at least, having grown up in the midwestern US. Your comments on male anger hit unfortunately close to home as well. I work in a sheet metal fab(ulous!)rication shop, with my all of my previous jobs having been server/bartender. I point that out to underline what a culture shock it was coming here. I was frequently mocked both quietly and loudly for my first year here. I am a very focused and driven worker, never declining when asked to cover a shift or do some extra duty. And yet.. leading up to our first end-of-year break i caved and asked a (mostly decent) senior figure there what I was doing wrong. "Youve never gotten angry. Kirby doesn't respect people who _don't_ fly off the handle now and again." I was dumbstruck, and pressed him further, believing this to be some weird joke. It was not. Still not fully believing his assertion, the next day I did as he said. My machine had in truth been acting up a little bit, but while I had been a little frustrated with the situation, it was just a bit of a slowdown. Nothing worth any sort of anger. In the name of science though, I ripped off my work gloves and my apron and threw them at my machine while loudly exclaiming various work appropriate profanity. Not only did he begin to respect me, but not even an hour had passed before he had stopped by to ask how I was doing, and giving me advice on various things related to the job. It is still one of the most surreal events of my entire life. I felt like I was in a fugue state, not able to fully accept that this was a truth in reality for some time even after the fact.
I find your ingenuity and willingness to experiment admirable. Well done. : ) People like and respect people they can relate to. So someone who gets angry over every little inconvenience wouldn’t be able to truth someone so different to themselves. There was a quote from a warhammer 40k character named Alpharius that perfectly describes it, “I don’t trust Dorn, he never lies. How can you trust someone who never lies!” For context Alpharius is a prolific liar.
@kevinmccalister4602 I appreciate your kindness! Thank you! I have continued to endeavor onward in the hopes of making some meaningful headway. Honestly, I've (mostly) made my peace with the.. let's say.. worldview disparity between myself and my coworkers. Either they'll bend a bit and let me in the circle, _or_ I can continue quietly gaining experience working the machines as I have, and then go elsewhere. After having thanked them for all the paid training, of course 😄 Thanks again for the response, and I wish you a pleasant day!
Venus hits so close to home with the wanting to be beautiful, wanting to be something you aren't at the moment. The fear of being seen as something that you aren't inside hurts like hell. It's a pain that doesn't go away. it's a blinding light that scorches the soul
We Know the Devil is the only game I've ever had the joy of experiencing that's horror themed, and yet it's not horrifying at all. It's just comforting. Kind.
Tho I'm not part of the Alphabet soup it hit a cord when Venus spoke of the male inclination to mask and redirect anger then feed it into other thing's
I always hated that notion that boys aren't supposed to show emotion. I remember a boy I knew fell forward off a bicycle and ended up using his face as a brake, on a gravel driveway. He was obviously feeling Not Great and his face was all scratched up, but his mum kept telling him not to cry or to man up, and that just... felt wrong. He was hurt, he got a scare, he should've been allowed to cry and express and get it out of his system but instead he had to just bear it. It isn't fair or healthy to put that on anyone.
It is unfortunately a stigma that seems to be slowly changing, tho being born in the 2000 I still got the emotional stunt and can't cry until pushed into the extremes
@@Maddhatter22694 and @loreman2803 holy shit I’m so sorry you’re going through that! I hope you can find a happier, more stable existence soon, I know intimately how utterly miserable being like that is.
@@khanlusa A stigma that is slow to change due to not one, but TWO seemingly opposite but deeply related prejudices: "A man who shows his emotions is weak" & "A man who cannot control his emotions is dangerous."
What's funny is that not only is this a christian camp that lives in everyone's nightmares, it's a christian camp that's making what amounts to god sancioned demon hunters (I mostly joke that we're making christian sailor senshi given our main trio), this isn't incredibly blatant it's just mostly background stuff on the text.
No, I mean, that's not even a joke, the setting literally *is* about Christian god-powered sailor scouts, the whole point of the summer camp is for the crappy rejects who aren't normal scouts. Venus says as much, "If we were in the normal scouts, they'd rush to help us. They act like real teams and take care of each other and get crystodyne diodes and transformation sequences." in the 1 am Venus and Jupiter chat, and again in the true ending after the radio, "It'll be. Fine. One hit, one second. Beautiful blessed scout attack. And we'll wake up and everything will be normal. And all will be forgiven. ...mostly. Right?" The games steam description even mentions it, "WE KNOW THE DEVIL is a story about everyone who made you cry at summer camp. It’s about missing your Sailor Moon VHS tapes. It’s about how being irresponsible is contagious. It’s about knowing that in a group of three, two of you will be closer than the other. And it’s about being weird and queer and wrong and hoping against hope no one will find out when the actual, literal devil comes for you."
I've been using your videos as background noise when doing my passion job (freelance writing for indie game studios), and half the time with such invocative, insightful comments and dialogue on topics that hit close to home with me, you've managed to get me distracted enough to pause any projects and just listen. Not only do you manage to capture my attention with your content, you actively inspire me to seek more independent work; writing short stories or planning novels to be written and published in the near future. This video, especially, having grown up alone with my Christian Republican father while going through the queer alphabet trying to find the descriptors that work for me, just captivated me. Keep up the amazing work!
I have religious trauma. While it's not that bad, it still impacted me. I didn't give up on religion but instead went on my own path. People should be given that choice regardless of religion, sexuality, etc. People should be allowed the choice to be who they are and what they want to believe in
I 100% agree people should be given the decision, but I cannot deny I am anti religious, at least on an "institutional" capacity, as (literally) certified catholic... Agaisnt my own will. Faith has no room for freedom in the heart of a true believer, its basically being an antivaxxer in the modern world If you have "true" faith and you believe with 100% honesty that doing Y or X will send your children to hell or heaven why would you ever allow them to choose hell for themselves when its "in your power" to guide them to heaven? I know my parents had "good intentions" when they sent me to sunday school even if it wasted days of my life, but I also know they don't really "believe" the books, they basically made up their own religion, whether they want to admit it or not, as thats the only way they could allow themselves to let me be free or question catholic faith openly at my home, the alternative would be they are cool with their son going to hell. I would like people to allow their children to follow whatever or no faith, but truth be told what I wish for is for people to stop following any and all institutionalized religions
"sent to a christian summer camp to "correct" their bad behavior" OH.....FUCK! I've seen enough stories about these institutions to fill me with blind rage.
I played this game back before I realized I was queer, and didn't fully understand it- but certain bits of it stuck with me, and I didn't figure out why for years I love it a lot for that, and strongly recommend it Also the soundtrack *slaps*
I really, really respect how you preface all your videos with content warnings. None of the topics ever offends me, but I have a very vivid and active imagination, so the games add little to my personal trove of horrors that my mind just casually serves up. Most people would have serious issues with this stuff and not enough people take the time to cut out a more significant 'hey, pay attention' like you do. Props.
This game.. god I *love* this game. It played a major part in my realization I was trans, as well as in the processing of a lot of pain and sadness I'd been carrying. Thank you very much for covering it and for hopefully making more people aware of such a wonderful piece of media!
3:23 Yeah, as a trans woman, I am very acutely aware of how painful it is to have one's gender policed in that way and how much freer one feels to let it all go. I felt shame and embarrassment about my more feminine interests, but soon as my egg cracked it washed away. It was very liberating. 6:56 "Going forward means continuing to be what the world expects and that is unbearable". That hits me so hard. I've been there, I know what that feels like.
We Know The Devil is such a good experience, I really need to play Heaven Will Be Mine one of these days, if only because of the Halimede Twitter and her chaser posting.
Fucking amazing. The story and the body horror feel like they would be character origin stories in a Dungeon Bitches campaign and I need to share this with my gaming group. Socially outcast women, check. Women loving women, check. Body horror, check. Outstanding artwork, check.
Great video man I came from your video about that bdsm game I’ve played it before very very lackluster honestly there should just be an official hellraiser and as a Christian my self I appreciate this video a lot we need to bring more eyes on this subject just because someone says that they are part of the faith doesn’t mean that they are
Wow, this feels powerful. A nice exploration of the deep pain that these sorts of camps, that this sort of upbringing can inflict. I might need to give this a read.
my eldest brother was involved with some of the local art and poticy scene for a few years and made a brief acquaintance of a practicing santanest while i was still in high school. and at that point while the enitre famliy had being normaly rased in a vaguely christain setting as most of us whom are born in westen nations are though none of us had being to church for nearly a decide if not longer. i think the last time i personal went to chruch was in the wake of 9/11. as even as far removed as we aussies were from that day it was such a massive event i think we needed to process it in that way. anyway back to my eldest brother, as i had personally being disinchanted with the church for many years by this point though i count myself very lucky to have known a few chirstians in my time and those that ive known have beign some of the nicest and accepting people ive had the good fortian to known. anyway as i got older the typical resentment for christainity began seting in and having herd my bother mention his satainest acquaintance a few times and i asked him, to ask some questions on my behalf. as that artsy fatcy scene wasnt and isnt my thing and while i cant recall everything that was said to me on the behalf of this santanest, one thing that they 'said' has always struck a cord with me about a fundamental diffance between christanity and what he belived. that christanity will more oftan than not see you as someone who needs to be fixed, that you've tripped in the mud and need a hand up. and sometimes you do, some people do need help. but it there's no end to it. there is no point were you can say 'im fine, thank you for helping but i dont need you right now' and some times they let be but there will be those that will move the goal post a little feather. theres always one more step to take. for him, satnism can offer that kind of help if you want and need it. but its happy with you as you are. it accepts the mud for what it is. mud is fine if you want to lay in the mud it'll be right there with you. that this life is the only one we have any grantee on and its better to be happy or content with what you have and what you are than chase something thats always out of reach
oh hey...this hit way closer to home than expected. Also loving the more frequent but shorter videos that kinda run down a shorter game. Very good vibes
Fun fact: so the "biblically accurate angel" is (and this is all made up anyway so, uh, take this for what you will), a depiction of one of the third most powerful class of angels (there are 9, if you were curious, archangels are second from the bottom, yes, seriously.) an Ophanim, or "Thrones", thought to be guardians of the throne of god, described in Daniel as "Rings with many eyes" more or less. The channel The Generalist Papers made a great video "The 9 Ranks of Angels" about a year ago and even as an atheist I found it fascinating. I'll _try_ to link it in a comment. P.S. Castiel is a seraphim (well, at least after one of his resurrections), the most powerful angel type in this ranking. Which is interesting, given Supernatural went with traditional ideas of Archangels being the most powerful, but no, apparently they're just the gofers (Angels) supervisors, essentially.
Yeah, Biblical angels vary (greatly) in form in addition to a lot--most?--of the stuff about angels coming after and outside of _The Bible_ anyway. I think it's just that for the sake of fiction the less humanoid ones are generally more fun to play around with, especially visually. Also I wouldn't use _Supernatural_ as a good example for most things, uh, supernatural ironically. (F in chat for Kali and Baldr and the other demonized non-Christian gods.)
@@MusicoftheDamned _After_ not so much, pretty much all of "the Bible" and Apocrapha (there isn't one Bible, of course!) was written well before the Catholic church at the time first decided what was Canon (though way after most people think it was written), then various splits, Catholic/Orthodox, then Protestant, then the various Protestant splits, but _outside_ of absolutely, yes, much of the better descriptions are in the Apocrapha especially for Protestants, and one book that's in the Catholic bible that is in the Protestant Apocrapha. I could've used another show, or book series (Shadowhunters book series actually does a pretty good job IMO, but they still have archangels much higher, or at least more powerful, than normal angels, potentially a "guardian angel", but yeah) but I honestly don't think I know anyone who doesn't know Supernatural at least at a surface level. I don't know of many other shows/books that actively involve angels with ranks (Lucifer?). If you know any that are good, please give me suggestions.
@@MusicoftheDamned Also, I love how Pseudo-Dionysis just straight pulled 4 of the angel types out of his ass. "Eh, yeah I guess _that_ word refers to an angel, a Dominion would _obviously_ have an Angel Regional Manager and probably a few Angel Administrative Assistants looking over it, etc."
Something that I find interesting and sad about these types of games and media is how different modern or even long distant Christian rhetoric and Dogma has become in regards to people who are different. It always disgusts me when I see people who claim to do Gods work. When these people have such hatred and persecution in their hearts for people that by all accounts, Jesus would care for.
Teen drama games have come a long way since _Life is Strange,_ haven't they? I am so grateful for this since the genre is now more reflective of how troubling it can be at that age. Seriously, _Class of '09_ was a game I really wanted to stop playing due to how... "truthful" it was. Maybe video games should be considered art.
While I myself am not trans, I am asexual so the whole forcing yourself to be how others expect you to be really hits home. I’m expected to *do things* I do not like because otherwise I’m seen as broken. And while the situation in game isn’t about my identity specifically, it just really resonates with me. We in the alphabet soup can all relate to these themes, whether it is about us or our friends. I feel like that’s what makes us such a strong community. We can empathize with each other, not just sympathize.
thank you so much for this video, I was a bit confused with the game and mostly I just couldn't manage to get the True ending but your video nicely explained everything that I did not notice or things that I did not understand fully. Now it makes more sense and wow... The idea of this game is so cool
I mean, my egg cracked quite a while, but why is it I find Venus after. I feel like I would have cracked long ago if I found this game because it is about like 80% accurate to my story.
As an American, I've never played 7 minutes in heaven. Then again, the parties I was at usually related to Halo game knights and MTG drafts, so that may be why... We did play Truth or Dare, but usually it was stuff like "Jump in a pile of of snow without your jacket" or "Go buy everyone some soda" or "What did you actually get on the test?"
Ok I finished seeing the video. The premise was kind of unique for religious horror! The ending messages were to be expected. A bit pleasantly surprised though, this genre is often lacking in creativity.
Hey love your channel been subbed since I found your Sylvanus video. Just wondering what was that awesome song at the start? It sounded well awesome. 😎
hello my fellow brothers and sisters and those who dont care, would you like to join me in evolving humanity into a biological biomass of infinite shapes and knowledge and overthrow god in his palace
7 minutes in heaven was at least 10 or so years ago a very real thing. It was played at parties both in high-school and college in the north east coast USA. (I grew up in Pennsylvania)
I mean, if the options are 1) adhere to the religion than tells me everything that I am is evil and wrong and sinful and I should live a life that leaves me smothered and wanting to die 2) live freely and truly as a queer person even if that makes me an abomination in the eyes of that religion I am taking option 2 every time.
Hey irl I think lgbt people are fine, then again I’m a Normie who views things face value which can have value if it’s own I think…, “and I get the themes about becoming something new and a bonding old identity.-did I get that right? In this reality..where there’s verifiable proof if the radio has god on it which I assume cause they get possessed or freed etc so magic/whatever exists in that world..I don’t know if I could openly defy god an omnipresent,omnipotent being in anyway let alone shed the body he made which would probably I think be like the ultimate sin blasphemy I think?, trying to do better then his own creation. P.s this is my mind in world trans,gay,lesbian,bi fine with me irl.
If you take the story literally then God in this setting still condemns people for being queer even though HE made them, which means he created those people for the sole purpose of condemning them to a life of misery and judgement OR they have to embrace the devil who greets them kindly and tells you honestly that joining her doesn't have a lot of upsides, but she won't exclude any of you, while God arbitrarily pits you against each other so only two survive. In that setting, God is an abusive narcissistic monster who creates innocent people to be hated and punished in his name. That is not a God worth obeying, the only correct choice is rebellion.
It's a fascinating, and palpable experience, though it does leave LGBTQA+ folk who have actual, non-hateful spiritual/religious leanings/beliefs out in the cold. That's the double-edged sword that always seems to go unspoken. I've had friends admit to not wanting to express that side of themselves at all, for fear of getting blasted and judged. So as a result, the shame comes around like a boomerang, torn between two halves of your identity. Honestly might be worth a horror story of its own. Sorry, if rambling - the whole subject is something I've been chewing on for a few years now, both as I've unpacked my own traumas + kicking around ideas with an agnostic friend with their own experiences. I've even known a neo-pagan who gets exhausted that most rep she gets for her queerness comes from strictly secular sources. It's been a surreal journey of existential conversations.
07:00 People see that she is a angel But a lot people dont see the connection of which In god’s radio broadcast, he compares Venus to Lucifer, Lucifer was the angel of light, of knowledge. So like the original rebel in certain interpretations (the other one i find more interesting is that lucifer is a member of god’s court with the duty to test god’s plan) Venus is also the only one to call the devil a she, this reveals that she has a special kind of sight even before the devil. And it reveals in this setting what likely the devil’s original rebellion was. I am curious why you think the yellow ending the least bad of the three bad ending? To me it was the worse, for red ending jupiter is clearly in pain and hurting herself more, and in the blue neptune is trying to force the others to her vision of them. While yellow, venus is just, there, finally seeing and being seen.
As I said in another comment here, I'm an Orthodox Christian. And for all the things you suffered from people who were supposed to understand, support and show compassion, love and forgiveness - I'm sorry, I truly am.
Well shit this is more depressing then applebees. In all seriousness, to anyone who has taken a closer look at religion and specifically Christianity it does tend to be that way with religion, something people are born and deemed evil due to some benign sign and they ended up being singled out in societies and made into pariahs. Other times it’s decided by their actions. But the idea of Christianity and how it’s always an uphill battle and sometimes is characterized as being extremely unfair at times, reminds me of the book of Job. Basic story is that God was basically dared by the devil that Job(pronounced Jobe, one gods followers) would turn away from god if god started treating him unfairly. Depending on the source, the story goes 2 ways, 1st being that god kills his livestock, his children get plague and die and so does he, but he doesn’t die, and I believe he becomes homeless, and everyone around him tells him that he should renounce god because basic logic tells him that god is doing this to him. He perseveres and god rewards him by curing him, giving him new kids and new livestock and a new house. That’s the first telling, and it’s kinda heartless because god killed his kids and replaced them, and Job was just supposed to be “okay then” Second telling is more reasonable reaction from job in which the story stays the same till the point after he loses everything and he does renounce god, despite everyone around him telling him to persevere. Basically God descends and gets angry and dissapointed in Job because he basically just lost a bet with the devil, and Job is completely pissed because God did this and gave no explanation. I remember God’s reaction to Job because it essentially went like this Job: “Why did you do this to me?! My children are dead, my home is ruined, my livestock are dead, I’m suffering in pain due to illness!” God: “All of this land is mine! I made everything!” Basically his reaction was “my world, my rule” But it was interesting to read and this reminded me of it with the second version particularly as the first story is all about the expectation that Job would stay loyal to god even if everyone hung dear was taken from him, the second version was essentially him actually being human and reacting how most people would, with outrage and anger. I prefer the second story as I’m a cynic but begs the question with this story, why was there only 2 spots in heaven for the 3 youths? Is it another test? If so that’s a miserable test to make. All it does is alienate someone, and if God would demand that of me then the devil ending would be more palatable.
I feel like i got some other point to the last ending. It was less about acceptance and more about the cycle of abuse namely how the 3 are doing the same thing the ones in the camp did to them which is forcing their views (IE abuse) on to others because it is the only way they have learned to act so in a way like a lovecraft story all the endings are grim in their own way.
Havent seen the video yet. A bit sad that christian/abrahamic religious trauma often leads people to abhor all religions/spirituality as if its all the same. Nevertheless, great examples of human beings are scarce in any ideology/religion.
In fairness I'm not personally atheist, I think the closest thing for me is agnostic, not exactly sure what's "out there" but it doesn't feel right for there to be nothing. But maybe that's my monkey brain grasping for reassurance that it isn't just empty void when we go.
@@khanlusa since the topic is religious horror, look up fear and hunger if you want to see good pagan themed horror. I bet you could make some really cool videos on those games.
I hate to be a buzzkill but the story feels to me to be very, for the lack of a better word, preachy. Like I get there are people who suffered from a harsh religious upbringing, but the way it's presented is so "Californian". From the characters being named after planets, "the devil is good actually" trope as well as the religion presented in the game using Christian imaginary but having little to no actual connection to Christian teachings (unless it's suposed to be some weird American denomination). Like if someone did a game based around Hinduism but the only "Hindu thing" the characters where doing was eating curry and doing meditation.
I really appreciate that this story doesn't go with that imo over used and lazy trope of "um, actually god loves all his babies even us queers! Its just the church and 99.98% of the faithful that are wrong! Happy feels!!" I'm gonna say something probably controversial, I get the desire to reframe Christian faith in a way that better supports your LGBTQ+ self, reclamation is a proud queer tradition after all, but no matter how hard you cling to the dream of hippie Jesus, no matter how many times you point out that there's really no hard proscription against queerness in the Bible, the truth is, God is not on your side. He doesn't like you and isn't interested in protecting you. It might have something to do with his roots as an ancient petty god of storms and war, back when he was a minor diety in a vast proto Israeli polythiestic pantheon, but regardless, the very nature of the faith that has grown up around him is antithetical to the acceptance of any minority that could be better used as a leaver to gain more power.
You're better off divorcing Christianity from Judaism completely. Jesus might've been born a Jew, but that doesn't mean he was really serving the Jewish god. The Old Testament did say for men not to lay with other men, but the New Testament says to love all people no matter what, and let them come to the light on their own.
I can confirm that 7 minutes in heaven is an American thing. Why we did it I don’t know. I think the main appeal of it is that it’s the best excuse a bunch of awkward tweens could think of to mess with their friends.
That "acting dumber than you are", "no bothering to correct those around you" and "masking with anger" bits hit deep. Thank you again Khanlusa.
As someone who has zero patience for "unspoken rules" bullshit (they exist just to reinforce social hierarchies, by identifying outsiders so they can be discriminated against and punished; any rule worth following can be spoken and people can be persuaded to follow it with reason, not bullied by the group), that kind of abuse being so "normalized" in these kinds of communities fills me with rage.
You and me both mate.
The 7 Minutes in Heaven thing is definitely real, and your assertion that it is an American thing is also accurate. To my experience at least, having grown up in the midwestern US.
Your comments on male anger hit unfortunately close to home as well. I work in a sheet metal fab(ulous!)rication shop, with my all of my previous jobs having been server/bartender. I point that out to underline what a culture shock it was coming here. I was frequently mocked both quietly and loudly for my first year here. I am a very focused and driven worker, never declining when asked to cover a shift or do some extra duty. And yet.. leading up to our first end-of-year break i caved and asked a (mostly decent) senior figure there what I was doing wrong. "Youve never gotten angry. Kirby doesn't respect people who _don't_ fly off the handle now and again." I was dumbstruck, and pressed him further, believing this to be some weird joke. It was not.
Still not fully believing his assertion, the next day I did as he said. My machine had in truth been acting up a little bit, but while I had been a little frustrated with the situation, it was just a bit of a slowdown. Nothing worth any sort of anger. In the name of science though, I ripped off my work gloves and my apron and threw them at my machine while loudly exclaiming various work appropriate profanity. Not only did he begin to respect me, but not even an hour had passed before he had stopped by to ask how I was doing, and giving me advice on various things related to the job. It is still one of the most surreal events of my entire life. I felt like I was in a fugue state, not able to fully accept that this was a truth in reality for some time even after the fact.
I find your ingenuity and willingness to experiment admirable. Well done. : )
People like and respect people they can relate to. So someone who gets angry over every little inconvenience wouldn’t be able to truth someone so different to themselves.
There was a quote from a warhammer 40k character named Alpharius that perfectly describes it, “I don’t trust Dorn, he never lies. How can you trust someone who never lies!”
For context Alpharius is a prolific liar.
@kevinmccalister4602 I appreciate your kindness! Thank you! I have continued to endeavor onward in the hopes of making some meaningful headway.
Honestly, I've (mostly) made my peace with the.. let's say.. worldview disparity between myself and my coworkers. Either they'll bend a bit and let me in the circle, _or_ I can continue quietly gaining experience working the machines as I have, and then go elsewhere. After having thanked them for all the paid training, of course 😄
Thanks again for the response, and I wish you a pleasant day!
You too! 🙂
Venus hits so close to home with the wanting to be beautiful, wanting to be something you aren't at the moment. The fear of being seen as something that you aren't inside hurts like hell. It's a pain that doesn't go away. it's a blinding light that scorches the soul
We Know the Devil is the only game I've ever had the joy of experiencing that's horror themed, and yet it's not horrifying at all. It's just comforting. Kind.
Oh man if you love spooky women then you are going to LOVE Signalis
I did actually grab it at the tail end of the steam summer sale so that'll be in the works eventually lmao
man that last sentence gave me goosebumps as the memories of signalis came rushing back into me
Tho I'm not part of the Alphabet soup it hit a cord when Venus spoke of the male inclination to mask and redirect anger then feed it into other thing's
I always hated that notion that boys aren't supposed to show emotion. I remember a boy I knew fell forward off a bicycle and ended up using his face as a brake, on a gravel driveway. He was obviously feeling Not Great and his face was all scratched up, but his mum kept telling him not to cry or to man up, and that just... felt wrong. He was hurt, he got a scare, he should've been allowed to cry and express and get it out of his system but instead he had to just bear it. It isn't fair or healthy to put that on anyone.
It is unfortunately a stigma that seems to be slowly changing, tho being born in the 2000 I still got the emotional stunt and can't cry until pushed into the extremes
@loreman2803 I had much the same were now I feel a desire to just cry and let it out, but nothing no matter how much I try.
@@Maddhatter22694 and @loreman2803 holy shit I’m so sorry you’re going through that! I hope you can find a happier, more stable existence soon, I know intimately how utterly miserable being like that is.
@@khanlusa A stigma that is slow to change due to not one, but TWO seemingly opposite but deeply related prejudices: "A man who shows his emotions is weak" & "A man who cannot control his emotions is dangerous."
In classic mythology Venus is commonly known as the Morning Star or in latin Lucifer.
Oh, that's cool! I didn't know that!
"Explains" why Aphrodite is even worse than Zeus at times somehow by sheer coincidence too.
What's funny is that not only is this a christian camp that lives in everyone's nightmares, it's a christian camp that's making what amounts to god sancioned demon hunters (I mostly joke that we're making christian sailor senshi given our main trio), this isn't incredibly blatant it's just mostly background stuff on the text.
No, I mean, that's not even a joke, the setting literally *is* about Christian god-powered sailor scouts, the whole point of the summer camp is for the crappy rejects who aren't normal scouts. Venus says as much, "If we were in the normal scouts, they'd rush to help us. They act like real teams and take care of each other and get crystodyne diodes and transformation sequences." in the 1 am Venus and Jupiter chat, and again in the true ending after the radio, "It'll be. Fine. One hit, one second. Beautiful blessed scout attack. And we'll wake up and everything will be normal. And all will be forgiven. ...mostly. Right?"
The games steam description even mentions it, "WE KNOW THE DEVIL is a story about everyone who made you cry at summer camp. It’s about missing your Sailor Moon VHS tapes. It’s about how being irresponsible is contagious. It’s about knowing that in a group of three, two of you will be closer than the other. And it’s about being weird and queer and wrong and hoping against hope no one will find out when the actual, literal devil comes for you."
I've been using your videos as background noise when doing my passion job (freelance writing for indie game studios), and half the time with such invocative, insightful comments and dialogue on topics that hit close to home with me, you've managed to get me distracted enough to pause any projects and just listen.
Not only do you manage to capture my attention with your content, you actively inspire me to seek more independent work; writing short stories or planning novels to be written and published in the near future. This video, especially, having grown up alone with my Christian Republican father while going through the queer alphabet trying to find the descriptors that work for me, just captivated me. Keep up the amazing work!
I have religious trauma. While it's not that bad, it still impacted me. I didn't give up on religion but instead went on my own path. People should be given that choice regardless of religion, sexuality, etc. People should be allowed the choice to be who they are and what they want to believe in
I 100% agree people should be given the decision, but I cannot deny I am anti religious, at least on an "institutional" capacity, as (literally) certified catholic... Agaisnt my own will. Faith has no room for freedom in the heart of a true believer, its basically being an antivaxxer in the modern world
If you have "true" faith and you believe with 100% honesty that doing Y or X will send your children to hell or heaven why would you ever allow them to choose hell for themselves when its "in your power" to guide them to heaven?
I know my parents had "good intentions" when they sent me to sunday school even if it wasted days of my life, but I also know they don't really "believe" the books, they basically made up their own religion, whether they want to admit it or not, as thats the only way they could allow themselves to let me be free or question catholic faith openly at my home, the alternative would be they are cool with their son going to hell.
I would like people to allow their children to follow whatever or no faith, but truth be told what I wish for is for people to stop following any and all institutionalized religions
I love spooky women so much I transitioned into one.
I always got a good and considerate vibe from this channel. But seeing your comment get a like really made me relax so freaking much!
I’m ngl
Fucking. Goals.
"sent to a christian summer camp to "correct" their bad behavior"
OH.....FUCK!
I've seen enough stories about these institutions to fill me with blind rage.
I played this game back before I realized I was queer, and didn't fully understand it- but certain bits of it stuck with me, and I didn't figure out why for years
I love it a lot for that, and strongly recommend it
Also the soundtrack *slaps*
THEY DIDNT HAVE TO MAKE VENUS SO GODDAMN RELATABLE THO IT HURTS
I really, really respect how you preface all your videos with content warnings. None of the topics ever offends me, but I have a very vivid and active imagination, so the games add little to my personal trove of horrors that my mind just casually serves up. Most people would have serious issues with this stuff and not enough people take the time to cut out a more significant 'hey, pay attention' like you do. Props.
This game.. god I *love* this game. It played a major part in my realization I was trans, as well as in the processing of a lot of pain and sadness I'd been carrying. Thank you very much for covering it and for hopefully making more people aware of such a wonderful piece of media!
3:23 Yeah, as a trans woman, I am very acutely aware of how painful it is to have one's gender policed in that way and how much freer one feels to let it all go. I felt shame and embarrassment about my more feminine interests, but soon as my egg cracked it washed away. It was very liberating.
6:56 "Going forward means continuing to be what the world expects and that is unbearable". That hits me so hard. I've been there, I know what that feels like.
We Know The Devil is such a good experience, I really need to play Heaven Will Be Mine one of these days, if only because of the Halimede Twitter and her chaser posting.
WIFE SPOTTED
@@rebeccahogan876 Both in the video and me being here in the same corner of the internet huh
Fucking amazing. The story and the body horror feel like they would be character origin stories in a Dungeon Bitches campaign and I need to share this with my gaming group.
Socially outcast women, check.
Women loving women, check.
Body horror, check.
Outstanding artwork, check.
Great video man I came from your video about that bdsm game I’ve played it before very very lackluster honestly there should just be an official hellraiser and as a Christian my self I appreciate this video a lot we need to bring more eyes on this subject just because someone says that they are part of the faith doesn’t mean that they are
Wow, this feels powerful. A nice exploration of the deep pain that these sorts of camps, that this sort of upbringing can inflict. I might need to give this a read.
Hey, I know this one, that's pretty neat!
my eldest brother was involved with some of the local art and poticy scene for a few years and made a brief acquaintance of a practicing santanest while i was still in high school. and at that point while the enitre famliy had being normaly rased in a vaguely christain setting as most of us whom are born in westen nations are though none of us had being to church for nearly a decide if not longer. i think the last time i personal went to chruch was in the wake of 9/11. as even as far removed as we aussies were from that day it was such a massive event i think we needed to process it in that way.
anyway back to my eldest brother, as i had personally being disinchanted with the church for many years by this point though i count myself very lucky to have known a few chirstians in my time and those that ive known have beign some of the nicest and accepting people ive had the good fortian to known. anyway as i got older the typical resentment for christainity began seting in and having herd my bother mention his satainest acquaintance a few times and i asked him, to ask some questions on my behalf. as that artsy fatcy scene wasnt and isnt my thing
and while i cant recall everything that was said to me on the behalf of this santanest, one thing that they 'said' has always struck a cord with me about a fundamental diffance between christanity and what he belived.
that christanity will more oftan than not see you as someone who needs to be fixed, that you've tripped in the mud and need a hand up. and sometimes you do, some people do need help. but it there's no end to it. there is no point were you can say 'im fine, thank you for helping but i dont need you right now' and some times they let be but there will be those that will move the goal post a little feather. theres always one more step to take.
for him, satnism can offer that kind of help if you want and need it. but its happy with you as you are. it accepts the mud for what it is. mud is fine if you want to lay in the mud it'll be right there with you. that this life is the only one we have any grantee on and its better to be happy or content with what you have and what you are than chase something thats always out of reach
oh hey...this hit way closer to home than expected. Also loving the more frequent but shorter videos that kinda run down a shorter game. Very good vibes
Fun fact: so the "biblically accurate angel" is (and this is all made up anyway so, uh, take this for what you will), a depiction of one of the third most powerful class of angels (there are 9, if you were curious, archangels are second from the bottom, yes, seriously.) an Ophanim, or "Thrones", thought to be guardians of the throne of god, described in Daniel as "Rings with many eyes" more or less.
The channel The Generalist Papers made a great video "The 9 Ranks of Angels" about a year ago and even as an atheist I found it fascinating. I'll _try_ to link it in a comment.
P.S. Castiel is a seraphim (well, at least after one of his resurrections), the most powerful angel type in this ranking. Which is interesting, given Supernatural went with traditional ideas of Archangels being the most powerful, but no, apparently they're just the gofers (Angels) supervisors, essentially.
Yeah, Biblical angels vary (greatly) in form in addition to a lot--most?--of the stuff about angels coming after and outside of _The Bible_ anyway. I think it's just that for the sake of fiction the less humanoid ones are generally more fun to play around with, especially visually. Also I wouldn't use _Supernatural_ as a good example for most things, uh, supernatural ironically. (F in chat for Kali and Baldr and the other demonized non-Christian gods.)
@@MusicoftheDamned _After_ not so much, pretty much all of "the Bible" and Apocrapha (there isn't one Bible, of course!) was written well before the Catholic church at the time first decided what was Canon (though way after most people think it was written), then various splits, Catholic/Orthodox, then Protestant, then the various Protestant splits, but _outside_ of absolutely, yes, much of the better descriptions are in the Apocrapha especially for Protestants, and one book that's in the Catholic bible that is in the Protestant Apocrapha.
I could've used another show, or book series (Shadowhunters book series actually does a pretty good job IMO, but they still have archangels much higher, or at least more powerful, than normal angels, potentially a "guardian angel", but yeah) but I honestly don't think I know anyone who doesn't know Supernatural at least at a surface level. I don't know of many other shows/books that actively involve angels with ranks (Lucifer?). If you know any that are good, please give me suggestions.
@@MusicoftheDamned Also, I love how Pseudo-Dionysis just straight pulled 4 of the angel types out of his ass. "Eh, yeah I guess _that_ word refers to an angel, a Dominion would _obviously_ have an Angel Regional Manager and probably a few Angel Administrative Assistants looking over it, etc."
Something that I find interesting and sad about these types of games and media is how different modern or even long distant Christian rhetoric and Dogma has become in regards to people who are different.
It always disgusts me when I see people who claim to do Gods work. When these people have such hatred and persecution in their hearts for people that by all accounts, Jesus would care for.
You should do Slay The Princess
Such a good one
Oh man I loved that one, wouldn't really know where to begin or how to articulate those feelings though.
@@khanlusa Maybe split it into couple of videos?
@@khanlusaUnscripted ramble! Just some long disorganized segment of whatever the hell you feel like. Those are fun.
Hey guys I think god might be the bad guy in the story
Teen drama games have come a long way since _Life is Strange,_ haven't they? I am so grateful for this since the genre is now more reflective of how troubling it can be at that age. Seriously, _Class of '09_ was a game I really wanted to stop playing due to how... "truthful" it was. Maybe video games should be considered art.
While I myself am not trans, I am asexual so the whole forcing yourself to be how others expect you to be really hits home. I’m expected to *do things* I do not like because otherwise I’m seen as broken. And while the situation in game isn’t about my identity specifically, it just really resonates with me.
We in the alphabet soup can all relate to these themes, whether it is about us or our friends. I feel like that’s what makes us such a strong community. We can empathize with each other, not just sympathize.
Great work, as always.
thank you so much for this video, I was a bit confused with the game and mostly I just couldn't manage to get the True ending but your video nicely explained everything that I did not notice or things that I did not understand fully. Now it makes more sense and wow... The idea of this game is so cool
I mean, my egg cracked quite a while, but why is it I find Venus after. I feel like I would have cracked long ago if I found this game because it is about like 80% accurate to my story.
As an American, I've never played 7 minutes in heaven. Then again, the parties I was at usually related to Halo game knights and MTG drafts, so that may be why... We did play Truth or Dare, but usually it was stuff like "Jump in a pile of of snow without your jacket" or "Go buy everyone some soda" or "What did you actually get on the test?"
I'm so luck that my parents were good enough to not send me to conversion camp. Honestly seems like a form of torture that you never really get over.
hmm...you should do fear and hunger. I am sure you would have a *GREAT* time with that!
I've seen Supereyepatchwolf's video and I'd rather not 😭
This one right here commissar!
Ok Warboi
Thanks homie
4th ending gets the Carmen seal of approval
Your "is this a wife?" comment reminded me too much of Drowned Ophelia from Brutal Legend.
Ok I finished seeing the video. The premise was kind of unique for religious horror! The ending messages were to be expected. A bit pleasantly surprised though, this genre is often lacking in creativity.
MY BABYGIRLS
Hey love your channel been subbed since I found your Sylvanus video. Just wondering what was that awesome song at the start? It sounded well awesome. 😎
I put a note down in the right hand corner but it's Haunted House by Neoni
Thanks, must have overlooked it. Hope you have a great month.
I....was not exacting a game like that. That was a interesting game and story
hello my fellow brothers and sisters and those who dont care, would you like to join me in evolving humanity into a biological biomass of infinite shapes and knowledge and overthrow god in his palace
...Yeah, I'm down with that.
Only if I get to spend some time as a super mutant before joining the biomass.
@@o-mangaming5042 you can spend your time living as a plant for a million years before you join the biomass, your choice is respected
7 minutes in heaven was at least 10 or so years ago a very real thing. It was played at parties both in high-school and college in the north east coast USA. (I grew up in Pennsylvania)
I can’t tell if I’m wrong but….isn’t the “best” ending they give up there humanity to become literal abominations…?
I mean, if the options are
1) adhere to the religion than tells me everything that I am is evil and wrong and sinful and I should live a life that leaves me smothered and wanting to die
2) live freely and truly as a queer person even if that makes me an abomination in the eyes of that religion
I am taking option 2 every time.
Hey irl I think lgbt people are fine, then again I’m a Normie who views things face value which can have value if it’s own I think…, “and I get the themes about becoming something new and a bonding old identity.-did I get that right?
In this reality..where there’s verifiable proof if the radio has god on it which I assume cause they get possessed or freed etc so magic/whatever exists in that world..I don’t know if I could openly defy god an omnipresent,omnipotent being in anyway let alone shed the body he made which would probably I think be like the ultimate sin blasphemy I think?, trying to do better then his own creation.
P.s this is my mind in world trans,gay,lesbian,bi fine with me irl.
P.s I’ve been watching your videos and I like them pretty good! I haven’t heard much if resistance and the foster one is very sad and disturbing.
If you take the story literally then God in this setting still condemns people for being queer even though HE made them, which means he created those people for the sole purpose of condemning them to a life of misery and judgement OR they have to embrace the devil who greets them kindly and tells you honestly that joining her doesn't have a lot of upsides, but she won't exclude any of you, while God arbitrarily pits you against each other so only two survive.
In that setting, God is an abusive narcissistic monster who creates innocent people to be hated and punished in his name. That is not a God worth obeying, the only correct choice is rebellion.
It's a fascinating, and palpable experience, though it does leave LGBTQA+ folk who have actual, non-hateful spiritual/religious leanings/beliefs out in the cold. That's the double-edged sword that always seems to go unspoken. I've had friends admit to not wanting to express that side of themselves at all, for fear of getting blasted and judged. So as a result, the shame comes around like a boomerang, torn between two halves of your identity. Honestly might be worth a horror story of its own.
Sorry, if rambling - the whole subject is something I've been chewing on for a few years now, both as I've unpacked my own traumas + kicking around ideas with an agnostic friend with their own experiences. I've even known a neo-pagan who gets exhausted that most rep she gets for her queerness comes from strictly secular sources. It's been a surreal journey of existential conversations.
I LOVE THIS GAME SO SO MUCH AND I NEVER SEE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS
oh god i have to play this now
I have no idea where I've seen this game before but I definitely have, weird. Good video though, love your insights!
Ngl that first image I thought it was Asa/Yoru from part 2 of chainsawman
Hii, have you tried the RE-kinda-clone "Violet", would love to have your opinion 🙂
07:00
People see that she is a angel
But a lot people dont see the connection of which
In god’s radio broadcast, he compares Venus to Lucifer, Lucifer was the angel of light, of knowledge. So like the original rebel in certain interpretations (the other one i find more interesting is that lucifer is a member of god’s court with the duty to test god’s plan)
Venus is also the only one to call the devil a she, this reveals that she has a special kind of sight even before the devil. And it reveals in this setting what likely the devil’s original rebellion was.
I am curious why you think the yellow ending the least bad of the three bad ending? To me it was the worse, for red ending jupiter is clearly in pain and hurting herself more, and in the blue neptune is trying to force the others to her vision of them. While yellow, venus is just, there, finally seeing and being seen.
unfortunately 7 minutes of heaven is a thing teens do in america
"Is this a wife?"
Girl same
Khan, ever played an old game called Second Sight? It was from the Gamecube era.
Holy shit I'm early this time
Within 20 minutes, this is a first
gosh i feel bad for you "alphabet mafia members"
As I said in another comment here, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
And for all the things you suffered from people who were supposed to understand, support and show compassion, love and forgiveness - I'm sorry, I truly am.
Well shit this is more depressing then applebees.
In all seriousness, to anyone who has taken a closer look at religion and specifically Christianity it does tend to be that way with religion, something people are born and deemed evil due to some benign sign and they ended up being singled out in societies and made into pariahs. Other times it’s decided by their actions.
But the idea of Christianity and how it’s always an uphill battle and sometimes is characterized as being extremely unfair at times, reminds me of the book of Job. Basic story is that God was basically dared by the devil that Job(pronounced Jobe, one gods followers) would turn away from god if god started treating him unfairly.
Depending on the source, the story goes 2 ways, 1st being that god kills his livestock, his children get plague and die and so does he, but he doesn’t die, and I believe he becomes homeless, and everyone around him tells him that he should renounce god because basic logic tells him that god is doing this to him. He perseveres and god rewards him by curing him, giving him new kids and new livestock and a new house. That’s the first telling, and it’s kinda heartless because god killed his kids and replaced them, and Job was just supposed to be “okay then”
Second telling is more reasonable reaction from job in which the story stays the same till the point after he loses everything and he does renounce god, despite everyone around him telling him to persevere. Basically God descends and gets angry and dissapointed in Job because he basically just lost a bet with the devil, and Job is completely pissed because God did this and gave no explanation. I remember God’s reaction to Job because it essentially went like this
Job: “Why did you do this to me?! My children are dead, my home is ruined, my livestock are dead, I’m suffering in pain due to illness!”
God: “All of this land is mine! I made everything!”
Basically his reaction was “my world, my rule”
But it was interesting to read and this reminded me of it with the second version particularly as the first story is all about the expectation that Job would stay loyal to god even if everyone hung dear was taken from him, the second version was essentially him actually being human and reacting how most people would, with outrage and anger.
I prefer the second story as I’m a cynic but begs the question with this story, why was there only 2 spots in heaven for the 3 youths? Is it another test? If so that’s a miserable test to make. All it does is alienate someone, and if God would demand that of me then the devil ending would be more palatable.
This game made me trans and bi!
Well okay no it didn't. But it helped me figure it out!
I feel like i got some other point to the last ending.
It was less about acceptance and more about the cycle of abuse namely how the 3 are doing the same thing the ones in the camp did to them which is forcing their views (IE abuse) on to others because it is the only way they have learned to act so in a way like a lovecraft story all the endings are grim in their own way.
Havent seen the video yet. A bit sad that christian/abrahamic religious trauma often leads people to abhor all religions/spirituality as if its all the same. Nevertheless, great examples of human beings are scarce in any ideology/religion.
In fairness I'm not personally atheist, I think the closest thing for me is agnostic, not exactly sure what's "out there" but it doesn't feel right for there to be nothing. But maybe that's my monkey brain grasping for reassurance that it isn't just empty void when we go.
@@khanlusa since the topic is religious horror, look up fear and hunger if you want to see good pagan themed horror. I bet you could make some really cool videos on those games.
@luisvidal4690
I wouldn't say that finger also showcase a lot of christian horror.
I hate to be a buzzkill but the story feels to me to be very, for the lack of a better word, preachy. Like I get there are people who suffered from a harsh religious upbringing, but the way it's presented is so "Californian". From the characters being named after planets, "the devil is good actually" trope as well as the religion presented in the game using Christian imaginary but having little to no actual connection to Christian teachings (unless it's suposed to be some weird American denomination). Like if someone did a game based around Hinduism but the only "Hindu thing" the characters where doing was eating curry and doing meditation.
Yeah I think blasphemous is a better critique of Christian religion.
I really appreciate that this story doesn't go with that imo over used and lazy trope of "um, actually god loves all his babies even us queers! Its just the church and 99.98% of the faithful that are wrong! Happy feels!!" I'm gonna say something probably controversial, I get the desire to reframe Christian faith in a way that better supports your LGBTQ+ self, reclamation is a proud queer tradition after all, but no matter how hard you cling to the dream of hippie Jesus, no matter how many times you point out that there's really no hard proscription against queerness in the Bible, the truth is, God is not on your side. He doesn't like you and isn't interested in protecting you. It might have something to do with his roots as an ancient petty god of storms and war, back when he was a minor diety in a vast proto Israeli polythiestic pantheon, but regardless, the very nature of the faith that has grown up around him is antithetical to the acceptance of any minority that could be better used as a leaver to gain more power.
You're better off divorcing Christianity from Judaism completely. Jesus might've been born a Jew, but that doesn't mean he was really serving the Jewish god. The Old Testament did say for men not to lay with other men, but the New Testament says to love all people no matter what, and let them come to the light on their own.
I can confirm that 7 minutes in heaven is an American thing. Why we did it I don’t know. I think the main appeal of it is that it’s the best excuse a bunch of awkward tweens could think of to mess with their friends.
6:25 god I felt that like a slap in the face .