@@chiron9536 he did. Did you not understand the comment? This is a re-upload from his main channel. He took it down and stated the reason in his comment. Come on, think harder
That's because Batman does get stomped read the comics bro the movies are weak in comparison and no Batman is not ftl in the films nor is he ftl in the comics without prep he gets one shotted and blitzed
Batman who can keep with the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman in terms of speed but can't dodge an in coming kick in front his face from a goon in a warehouse. Plot truly is Batman's greatest power
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That’s kinda just how he talks. The problem with power scaling is that sometimes it literally doesn’t make any sense, sometimes the director or author just wants to make something look cool, and by doing so we get weird feats like Batman somehow being FTL. Ofc I doubt Seth actually thinks that, but for a video that is meant to garner attention and clicks, that statement is quite rousing
I have one major issue with your logic here when it comes to you giving Batman the speed advantage. You used Superman as the base for scaling Batman to light speed due to the phantom drive, but you didn’t use Thor quite literally blitzing a black hole in dark world and scaling Spider-Man from that. Also capt marvel traverses space on a whim at MFTL speeds while conscious of where she’s goin like when she found Tony in the middle of nowhere in space, but only gets calced at Mach 1000? I think spidey got lowballed here a bit.
Also, Batman can't have light speed reaction. This has been undermined in multiple scenes of films he has been in. People have to consider the narrative of the scene before introducing whatever relativistic feat in scaling. Batman even if superhuman cannot keep up with the likes of Spider-Man.
you didn't even research how spidermans spider sense works, and if u did u knowingly left it out 😂 u would have realized that in the no holds bar section of the video(really, every part) Spider-Man would have been able to legitimately know everything batman is doing before he does it, Spidermans spider sense is so good that he can legit tell if a dude is in disguise just by having him in proximity. Spiderman is a legitimate avatar with attachments conceptual level beings and powers. Knowing This makes me realize how masterfully crafted this video is tho, master level rage bait for that engagement. Smart guy seth is.
Prep time is bullshit for any character in a dearh battle. Because it's the infinite cop out. You aren't the characters so you can't say exactly what they would do. So you just assume he can do anything. You'd have to come up with a plausible way for Batman to prep something. Like how much info does he get. How much stuff does he need for his plan. Does he have the stuff necessary. What even is his plan. How much time does he have to access these resources. How much stuff does he start with or have at hand. You can't say he goes and asks superman for shit or goes to some other dc planet for materials because that implies he knows of the fight ahead of time and it either takes place in his verse or he has an unfair advantage by being told everything about spiderman and his stats. Given time and unlimited resources to work with with a deadline while spiderman gets dragged without further notice. So that's just biass. Whatever you give batman spiderman should have access to as well. And if he got just as much info and time as batman to come up with something he definitely would. Since spiderman is just as good with preptime as batman and has better base stats.
@@DaichiOkamiIt’s why I said watch Seth’s video about Batman with prep. He talks about his encounters with people he has never faced before. Why would they get the same resources? At no point would Batman have access to whatever Spiderman has access to like Stark’s technology and Spiderman wouldn’t have access to Batman’s tech. But either way I was just saying Batman is OP with prep.
@@Xman1739 batman with prep is just as strong a the plot needs him to be. You can do the same with any character in fiction. It's an infinite cop out because it isn't truly quantifiable.
Prep time is a joke , what if they just came across each other in an alley & they had to fight to the death . That’s a lot more “realistic” as possible
Incorrect. Batman is the type of character to keep a dossier on Spiderman as soon as some sightings crop up, use his high tech satellites to find out he's Peter Parker, and document his activities through New York CCTVs, much before they ever cross paths. The hypothetical you're insinuating would only practically happen to a Batman before he joins the JL. Maybe Year 1 or Year 2 Batman at most.
I agree. But if Spiderman just say... ended up being randomly transported across universes into the batcave somehow, there's no way Batman would be able to prepare for threats in a universe he doesn't know exists.
@@NarrowSpark96 That's another super specific hypothetical, and frankly, Batman could deal with him in the Batcave easily. He has neutralised a literal army of Talons, who are basically undead zombies each deadly enough to pose a threat to peak humans supposedly in his tier; fought Deathstroke-a much deadlier version of Captain America-to a standstill; and even Kara Zor El, Supergirl, using Kryptonian Martial Arts to subdue her in a mental state where she wouldn't know to hold back. The Batcave has an insane amount of defences and contingencies. This would, again, come down to the timeline of Batman. If you're putting Year 1/2 Batman in this situation, obviously he'd lose to an out of character bloodlusted spiderman. The Batman wank does get annoying, but now, the Batman downplay has gotten annoying too 💀
i think that batman's speed due to the plot is just the plot slowing down for the specific moments enough to where batman can react to them. like if just cuz someone is the speed of light doesnt mean they are always moving at that speed
Movie versions any of the Spider-Mans one shot blitz Batman would lose horribly regardless if it's movies or comics it's spite your delusional if you think otherwise.
No it wouldn't. If Batman actually drew blood from Spidey it'd be the Invincible meme of "I thought you were stronger" after he literally exploded that man in one punch.
Great video not that I agree but it was a fun ride. It just goes to show when it comes to visuals in general sometimes it's all about how you portray something versus the actual Logistics of it. Like the Flash when you see him as a blur from a human perspective he's fast, but when you see the world stand still from his perspective you're like oh that real speed. Also shocked you didnt bring up the almost precognition of the spider sense.
I find it weird how he didn't mention Peter (Tom Holland) LITERALLY using the spider sense while his soul was removed from his body. Allow me to repeat that... WHILE HIS SOUL WAS REMOVED FROM HIS BODY!!! Source (for those that are unaware of it) Spiderman: No-Way Home Spidey vs Doctor Strange. Superman may have super senses, but that would be a better argument if this was Miguel O'Hara from Spiderman 2099 as he doesn't have the spider sense. At that point, not having a literal fucking soul and it still being able to move puts Peter's precog on a whole different level of holy shit. Also being able to control it while Mysterio literally did the one thing that counters the SS, making Spider-Man believe that there is no threat to BE sensed, and Peter's sense guiding him through the illusion until Mysterio killed himself, even warning him of him about to his face about to get blown off, POINT-BLANK, and he reacted precisely, means that his sense is on a completely different level now. Lets also add that it sensed the Green Goblin in disguise of Norman Osborn and Peter had JUST met the dude for a day, and this wasn't any normal disguise, dude has a whole personality resided in there and Peter's Sense warned him literally 20 seconds in. That's a serious DnD Alert feat right there XD Plainly speaking, Bats is NOT touching peter, even with the speed difference, which can be debated because if I'm not mistaken, Flash had no ground to run on in that scene, and I've seen the JL movie alongside Supes V Bats (Zach should not be a director, that JL movie was hot garbage XD), meaning his speed was decreasing steadily. Comparing that to him increasing his speed to go backward in time is like saying a baseball falling from a very tall building is the same speed as one being thrown by a pro baseball player if they both acted at the same time. It's just not the same. That doesn't mean Bats isn't fast, but that does mean that the scaling is slightly off, and by slightly, I mean extremely off. Plus, come on, the scene you used when Bats was fighting to save Martha, he got fucking stabbed in his arm, IIRC, by a whole ass goon. A WHOLE ASS GOON!! Making the argument of a bloodlusted superman with the beam, you can see him charge up. LITERALLY can see him charging up. Bat's had whole seconds of reaction time to block that blast XD 12:42. This makes that whole scaling an iffy ahh issue because he can see it coming, therefore he can react, just like with Doomies Laser. Again, not saying he isn't fast, but the speed amp scaling is fucking ridiculous, just like Flash falling. If we're comparing movies, it's close as hell. Bat's has WAY better tech, but that doesn't mean that Peter CAN'T hack that tech. He did get through the failsafes on Tony's spiderman costume he gifted Peter. He might not have Friday though, which would've made it all too easy to hack Bat's equipment, as there is nothing in the movies on SM that we have seen couldn't hack and Bat's has never really had anyone try to hack his stuff in his movies nor the JL movie nor Doomsday Movie. So this point is situational. Bats is not overcoming the Sense. I'm sorry, until he can show a way to overcome a literal god sense, I'm gonna keep that statement. You can argue superman has better hearing and sight than peter, but Peter doesn't need to, "See." you specifically, nor does he need to "smell" you or "hear" you. His soul left his body and it still reacted while he was confused on the matter, so he defs wasn't paying attention to Strange, who is, btw, a friendly, meaning the Spider Sense shouldn't have even worked against him. Though, this was after Mysterio in Far From Home, so it makes sense that the Spider Sense would be able to detect friendlies that turned hostile at that point, anyone trying to argue the sense is invalid. Strength is Peter. Put Bats between a boat, give him some chains connecting both ends, and lets see him try to hold that better than Peter did, or just put a building on him and see if he can push it off him with pure strength alone. Or for more crazy ass scaling, put him in SM2 and have him try to hold the building from falling on them with just strength alone, no tech, just balls. Intellect actually would have to go to Bats. If we're counting Andrew Garfield's TASM 1 and 2, then it's a tie. They both come up with grand solutions on the fly, whereas Toby nor Holland can do this without prep time, more often times than not Holland than Tobey, as Tobey just gets lucky most times in his Movie Trilogy. I obviously fell for the clickbait XD, but I had to get that out. Now watch counterarguments address the issues with either, "Cope." or making me have to repeat what I already said to which I'll probably just flag so it can be removed. Please try responding if you actually watched both movies. Who knows, I might have overlooked something, but I won't know if I get childish ass responses XD
Just going off the movies I feel Toby is probably the strongest spider in terms of pure strength. Sure Tom has better tech and spider sense and Andrew has electro speed scaling but Toby was capable of soloing goblin in his movie. The same goblin who was whopping Tom and even stopped a bloodlusted Tom from killing goblin by grabbing the glider. It’s probably because he’s an older Spider-Man and that was the intention but.
My only complaint about the speed scaling, is that I'm justice league Barry didn't go back in time(as much as they want to say he did)he simple rewound time(much like pre season 5 XS in the CW flash)Barry really time traveling would be the showing in "The Flash" movie
Atleast for Tobey and Tom Holland, a bloodlusted Tom holland tried to impale green goblin and tobey jumped infront of him from offscreen and stopped the glider point blank
Seth, I think you forgot to mention that superman holds back......like a whole lot. And his heat vision which he used a good bit drains him of energy more than any other power. Batman also reacted to doomsday's heat vision before it was fired, evidence to this is that heatvision is shown to have to build up in their eyes before launched
It's a fact that superman wasn't holding back when he went at batman in the gauntlet scene. Superman was blood lusted and took out the jl. He wanted batman dead in that moment. As is evident because supes tried to terminate bruce with his heat vision not knowing Bruce had the absorbing gauntlets.
@@Majorlavon240 Except superman blood lusted wasn't thinking tactically he was consumed by anger. Supes didn't know about batmans gauntlets the heat vision was intended to kill bruce. Supes blood lusted wouldn't think to use speed blitz on a character that he underestimates psychically.
you can watch the 4 kage fight kinshiki and try to scale a hypothetical lee vs them since we can’t see none of his boruto feet’s. but you can look at gaara fight urashiki multiple times
If youve read the comics you would know batman isnt a normal human. Hes definitely super human. He can bench over 1000 pounds, leg press over a ton, hes ripped the door off a plane in flight and can dodge bullets
Batman faster than Spider-Man - uh, no. When the heroes fought, they were holding back, on both sides. Spider-Man was a kid and Caps team kept checking to be sure he was okay.
Man batman supplies the justice league HQ. He has plans to defeat literally everybody. Gods n demi gods alike. Talk about spiderman getting bodied by green goblin, doc oct and sandman. No way batman cant get no top of him.
This must be trolling I’m sorry and not to be disrespectful but this entire analogy is off, actually a lot off. To give Spider-Man a medium in the speed range and a medium in the strength range compared to Batman is disrespectful. Spider-Man can stop trains lift cars. He can lift 10-300 tons depending on the situation and this is when he’s not angry and he’s holding back. Spider-Man often pulls punches. Spider-Man also has spider senses, so unless you’re super fast just like him that means Batman is not landing Punches or hitting Spider-Man. Any gadget Batman tries to throw spider-Man would know they’re coming before it even comes. Batman is just peak human performance, plus a lot of gadgets that’s it. however, Peter Parker is super human performance not to mention he’s more intelligent than Bruce Wayne so if he wanted to build a gadget belt, which he did have back in the days he could do that with no problem. It is not even a comparison. It’s just interesting that people would even think that Batman would stand a chance against Spider-Man. The thing with Batman is that he’s known for finding weaknesses, especially against superheroes who have direct weaknesses such as kryptonite or allergic to something, etc. Spider-Man has no weakness besides love ones, so unless Batman decides he wants to become a villain and hold aunt May or Mary Jane hostage he’s not winning.
I haven't watched yet but Batman isnt a normal human he has super human endurance, strength, speed, reaction time, and intelligence and wears a suit that provides protection
Doomsday isn’t planetary and neither is his heat vision, has nowhere near the feats to be that high. He would eventually destroy the planet like Hulk in Age of Ultron according to WoG. Same Hulk who the Hulkbuster could stand up to which Spidey would scale to. Superman was in front of the event horizon as he had to get clear of it, he wasn’t FTL at that point, only after he resurrected. No Batman isn’t FTL, that’s stupid. His best feats are relativistic which plenty of MCU characters have that Spidey scales to. This electricity scale lowball doesn’t make any sense. Thanos reacted to light and so has Thor.
@@FahimusAlimusWonder Woman said Pre Resurrection Superman (who was shown to be weaker than Doomsday) and Steppenwolf are comparable in power, Steppenwolf fought the original Doomsday that destroyed Krypton's moon which is bigger than earth. Flash is on the level of Unadapted Kryptonians who can react to his speed which can statue the other members of the Justice League except for Superman. The other members who are shown having Relativistic+ to FTL speed feats.
Cap did not throw Ultron through a concrete pillar. They were on a truck at speed, probably 50 or 60 miles an hour when Cap knocked/though Ultron off of the truck and he hit a pillar. I'm sure cap helped a lot but it was mostly the truck.
That's because Batman does get stomped read the comics bro the movies are weak in comparison and no Batman is not ftl in the films nor is he ftl in the comics without prep he gets one shotted and blitzed. Did no research on Spider-Man or Batman comics i see
Batman would not be able to land a hit with any gadget at all. Spider-Man would be able to hit batman before he could move. Being able to run 200mph is not something that Batman could beat. Also Batman winning would mean he didn’t get hit once?…
Wouldn't batman already have experience fighting someone with such senses and just disrupt them? Wouldnt just disrupting spidey senses make apiderman completely uselsss?
Ngl, the Batman calcs/feat comparisons are a bit outrageous. Spidey is realistically winning most encounters 8/10. Batman is heavily carried by the plot to keep up with his superpowered peers.
Well. Snyder made terrible movies so there that.. but I have to just disregard some info. Like the suit not amping his strength. That's bs. He has superpowers otherwise. And the speed thing I chalk up to skill with timing/aim dodge. Cope for sure lol.
Oh great now all weird incel like modern batman fans are gonna think he stands a chance against spiderman without plot armor. Great job Seth you totally didnt fall off
Man I thought this was a comic version of the characters because marvel unintentionally made spiderman goated in strength by saying 616 is the most powerful version of the character because that would include shattered dimensions and edge of time spiderman who out of Stan lees mouth said spiderman beat mysterio who had power beyond imagination while mysterio was ripping the multiverse apart spiderman stomps him pretty casually too
Spidey loses fast. he's just going to be outplayed by batman at every turn. batman is used to fighting villains much stronger and faster than him. spiderman is smart but he isn't touching bats level of intellect when it comes to planning to mitigate any disadvantage he may come across with tools at his disposal.
All 3 9f the movie Spider-Man are equal this was already shown but tom has thd best tech as for intelligence andrew is smarter than tom abd tom js quite intelligent tom has better feats then them
@@Majorlavon240 a spider can't dodge my slide when I reach back and smack the fuck out of it even with it's enhanced senses or a fly cause when you're massively faster it's a big difference.
Spider-Man is much more superior to Bat-man. Give prep time to Bat-Man and you have to give it to Spider-Man as well. Because fair is fair. Bat-Man would still lose Because Spider-Man has higher IQ. 250 to be exact, Bat-Man has 192. Bat-Man loses regardless if prep time is available or not.
Deleted my original comment like 2 minutes after I posted it, so I assume nobody saw it. But: At the end, we have differing opinions is all. I can’t really blame you for not including the higher scales for Spider-Man as I assume you just don’t know the scales, it would be disingenuous to say you left it out for a bias or anything especially considering these aren’t well known. I also can’t fault you for not knowing all the DCEU debunks. Again, I think it’s just a knowledge check. I do think you should do more research on topics in the future, but this was a fun watch and would love to see more live action debating from you in the future, just make sure you do a little more research haha (Yes I am aware this is a reupload, just wanted to address things better than in my original post)
Bro I’m sorry but no way Batman takes Spidey when it comes to speed. Spidey has been described as so fast that his attacks are like a blur, and his reaction speed is just so insane that if he was fighting seriously Batman would not even land a single hit. Superman never tried to fully blitz Batman at full speed. Batman has even admitted in the comics that even with all his prep and skills, if Superman really wanted to he could squish him into the pavement before he could even react. The scaling on speed is flawed on that part lol speed goes to Spidey and it’s not even close bro
Inconsistent writing in regards to physics. Almost impossible to get a proper scaling. Never seen Batman straight up dodge point blank gunfire but somehow he manages to avoid plasma and/or light based attacks on the regular. Can probably sum it up to bad writing.
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This one made people so mad bro, it was unreal at the time
Dang people definitely gonna feel this again lol
why dont you use your main big channel
@@chiron9536 he did. Did you not understand the comment? This is a re-upload from his main channel. He took it down and stated the reason in his comment. Come on, think harder
That's because Batman does get stomped read the comics bro the movies are weak in comparison and no Batman is not ftl in the films nor is he ftl in the comics without prep he gets one shotted and blitzed
@@jamesday8292 movie batman kinda is mftl when you think about it.
lol. The arrow pointing at Tobey when saying who’s the strongest.
Tobey da goat
Hell no
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@@ZayDeyknowTobey Spidey is easily the strongest Spidey.
@@NordicWiseguy not really? Unless you rat him by saying the novels and games are canon (they aren't)
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Batman who can keep with the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman in terms of speed but can't dodge an in coming kick in front his face from a goon in a warehouse. Plot truly is Batman's greatest power
Drop the plot armor batman has and spiderman puny gods him like hulk did to loki
Good job stating the obvious. Were you trying to be annoying or does it just come natural?
@@sarexui634 quiet sheep
@@Okay123-7y who?
@@Okay123-7yyou're the only sheep here
@@Okay123-7yu don’t know what powerscaling is fruit cake? I swear you Spider-Man lovers have brain damage
15:06 “batman simply never getting tagged by spider”
Gets hit by random goons with no feats
Bruh
Bro dropping all the old catalouge
@@caindain2179he’s posting old videos that he deleted or unlisted.
That’s what I was thinking when I saw that Vader vs thanos video
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this man is so unserious yo. he can't even keep his laugh in 😂😂
That’s kinda just how he talks. The problem with power scaling is that sometimes it literally doesn’t make any sense, sometimes the director or author just wants to make something look cool, and by doing so we get weird feats like Batman somehow being FTL. Ofc I doubt Seth actually thinks that, but for a video that is meant to garner attention and clicks, that statement is quite rousing
@@yoloswagprobro8227right like movie breaks logic all the time cause only way to keep the story interesting or relevant.
I know this isnt bias but the speed is bs. Bruh spiderman in all of the three dodge lightspeed and scale to lightspeed tier characters all the time 😂
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Yea nothing in marvel universe has speedsters
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Um do u wanna debate this? I don’t think spider man is light speed at all
He's dodged some lightning but never light.
I have one major issue with your logic here when it comes to you giving Batman the speed advantage. You used Superman as the base for scaling Batman to light speed due to the phantom drive, but you didn’t use Thor quite literally blitzing a black hole in dark world and scaling Spider-Man from that. Also capt marvel traverses space on a whim at MFTL speeds while conscious of where she’s goin like when she found Tony in the middle of nowhere in space, but only gets calced at Mach 1000? I think spidey got lowballed here a bit.
Also, Batman can't have light speed reaction. This has been undermined in multiple scenes of films he has been in. People have to consider the narrative of the scene before introducing whatever relativistic feat in scaling. Batman even if superhuman cannot keep up with the likes of Spider-Man.
You don't understand batman hitting speedsters even thawn seconds are weeks to him
That's because Thor's reaction speed does not scale to his travel speed, unlike superman's which were canonical confirmed
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Spiderman has beaten taskmaster, who is essentially evil batman- with powers.
Spiderman smokes bruce. no dif
Taskmaster is nowhere near Batman lil bro fuck is you talmbout 😭😭
Spidey STOMP in every category.
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@@baba_treesh No
The MCU has so many FTL speed scaling like Ironmans and Ultrons lasers, Captain Marvel's photon blasts, and Thors hammer travel speed.
Spiderman being the strength build and batman the dex nerd is a weird thought, but I'm into it.
Except spiderman is more agile
you didn't even research how spidermans spider sense works, and if u did u knowingly left it out 😂 u would have realized that in the no holds bar section of the video(really, every part) Spider-Man would have been able to legitimately know everything batman is doing before he does it, Spidermans spider sense is so good that he can legit tell if a dude is in disguise just by having him in proximity. Spiderman is a legitimate avatar with attachments conceptual level beings and powers. Knowing This makes me realize how masterfully crafted this video is tho, master level rage bait for that engagement. Smart guy seth is.
If we’re talking about Batman with prep then it’s Batman all the way. Your Batman with prep video covers this expertly. He’s just broken
Batman with prep time isn’t a fair fight cause the writers clearly make him do this unrealistic af for him to be a NORMAL human
Prep time is bullshit for any character in a dearh battle. Because it's the infinite cop out. You aren't the characters so you can't say exactly what they would do. So you just assume he can do anything. You'd have to come up with a plausible way for Batman to prep something. Like how much info does he get. How much stuff does he need for his plan. Does he have the stuff necessary. What even is his plan. How much time does he have to access these resources. How much stuff does he start with or have at hand. You can't say he goes and asks superman for shit or goes to some other dc planet for materials because that implies he knows of the fight ahead of time and it either takes place in his verse or he has an unfair advantage by being told everything about spiderman and his stats. Given time and unlimited resources to work with with a deadline while spiderman gets dragged without further notice.
So that's just biass.
Whatever you give batman spiderman should have access to as well. And if he got just as much info and time as batman to come up with something he definitely would. Since spiderman is just as good with preptime as batman and has better base stats.
@@DaichiOkamiIt’s why I said watch Seth’s video about Batman with prep. He talks about his encounters with people he has never faced before. Why would they get the same resources? At no point would Batman have access to whatever Spiderman has access to like Stark’s technology and Spiderman wouldn’t have access to Batman’s tech. But either way I was just saying Batman is OP with prep.
@@Xman1739 batman with prep is just as strong a the plot needs him to be. You can do the same with any character in fiction. It's an infinite cop out because it isn't truly quantifiable.
@DaichiOkami not really because prep time is meaningless without the showings of what a character has done with prep time batman has showings sooo 😂
Prep time is a joke , what if they just came across each other in an alley & they had to fight to the death . That’s a lot more “realistic” as possible
Incorrect.
Batman is the type of character to keep a dossier on Spiderman as soon as some sightings crop up, use his high tech satellites to find out he's Peter Parker, and document his activities through New York CCTVs, much before they ever cross paths.
The hypothetical you're insinuating would only practically happen to a Batman before he joins the JL. Maybe Year 1 or Year 2 Batman at most.
I agree. But if Spiderman just say... ended up being randomly transported across universes into the batcave somehow, there's no way Batman would be able to prepare for threats in a universe he doesn't know exists.
@@NarrowSpark96 That's another super specific hypothetical, and frankly, Batman could deal with him in the Batcave easily. He has neutralised a literal army of Talons, who are basically undead zombies each deadly enough to pose a threat to peak humans supposedly in his tier; fought Deathstroke-a much deadlier version of Captain America-to a standstill; and even Kara Zor El, Supergirl, using Kryptonian Martial Arts to subdue her in a mental state where she wouldn't know to hold back.
The Batcave has an insane amount of defences and contingencies. This would, again, come down to the timeline of Batman. If you're putting Year 1/2 Batman in this situation, obviously he'd lose to an out of character bloodlusted spiderman.
The Batman wank does get annoying, but now, the Batman downplay has gotten annoying too 💀
@@sageoverheaven Deathstroke isn't Captain America
@@sageoverheaven Deathstroke isn't Captain America
i think that batman's speed due to the plot is just the plot slowing down for the specific moments enough to where batman can react to them. like if just cuz someone is the speed of light doesnt mean they are always moving at that speed
I’m glad you made a video on this. I feel like this topic is more diverse than people think.
Movie versions any of the Spider-Mans one shot blitz Batman would lose horribly regardless if it's movies or comics it's spite your delusional if you think otherwise.
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Fight between the comic versions of these chars would be fun to see
No it wouldn't. If Batman actually drew blood from Spidey it'd be the Invincible meme of "I thought you were stronger" after he literally exploded that man in one punch.
@@Kek393 So, regular, no prep time batman is exploding spiderman in 1 punch? or the other way around?
@@yspy_1801 Spider-Man takes Batman no dif. Prep time achieves nothing, especially if we take pre one more day Parker.
I think people forget when you give batman prep time your also giving his enemy prep time
Especially when Parker (IQ 250) is smarter than Bruce ( IQ 197)
Great video not that I agree but it was a fun ride. It just goes to show when it comes to visuals in general sometimes it's all about how you portray something versus the actual Logistics of it. Like the Flash when you see him as a blur from a human perspective he's fast, but when you see the world stand still from his perspective you're like oh that real speed. Also shocked you didnt bring up the almost precognition of the spider sense.
Bro I literally just asked for this, thank you! Looked for this one for a while once it was deleted
Yo thanks for the vid Seth!
The outro will never get old
Seth gonna double dip with all his old vids
I find it weird how he didn't mention Peter (Tom Holland) LITERALLY using the spider sense while his soul was removed from his body. Allow me to repeat that...
WHILE HIS SOUL WAS REMOVED FROM HIS BODY!!!
Source (for those that are unaware of it) Spiderman: No-Way Home Spidey vs Doctor Strange.
Superman may have super senses, but that would be a better argument if this was Miguel O'Hara from Spiderman 2099 as he doesn't have the spider sense. At that point, not having a literal fucking soul and it still being able to move puts Peter's precog on a whole different level of holy shit. Also being able to control it while Mysterio literally did the one thing that counters the SS, making Spider-Man believe that there is no threat to BE sensed, and Peter's sense guiding him through the illusion until Mysterio killed himself, even warning him of him about to his face about to get blown off, POINT-BLANK, and he reacted precisely, means that his sense is on a completely different level now. Lets also add that it sensed the Green Goblin in disguise of Norman Osborn and Peter had JUST met the dude for a day, and this wasn't any normal disguise, dude has a whole personality resided in there and Peter's Sense warned him literally 20 seconds in. That's a serious DnD Alert feat right there XD
Plainly speaking, Bats is NOT touching peter, even with the speed difference, which can be debated because if I'm not mistaken, Flash had no ground to run on in that scene, and I've seen the JL movie alongside Supes V Bats (Zach should not be a director, that JL movie was hot garbage XD), meaning his speed was decreasing steadily. Comparing that to him increasing his speed to go backward in time is like saying a baseball falling from a very tall building is the same speed as one being thrown by a pro baseball player if they both acted at the same time. It's just not the same. That doesn't mean Bats isn't fast, but that does mean that the scaling is slightly off, and by slightly, I mean extremely off. Plus, come on, the scene you used when Bats was fighting to save Martha, he got fucking stabbed in his arm, IIRC, by a whole ass goon. A WHOLE ASS GOON!!
Making the argument of a bloodlusted superman with the beam, you can see him charge up. LITERALLY can see him charging up. Bat's had whole seconds of reaction time to block that blast XD 12:42. This makes that whole scaling an iffy ahh issue because he can see it coming, therefore he can react, just like with Doomies Laser. Again, not saying he isn't fast, but the speed amp scaling is fucking ridiculous, just like Flash falling.
If we're comparing movies, it's close as hell. Bat's has WAY better tech, but that doesn't mean that Peter CAN'T hack that tech. He did get through the failsafes on Tony's spiderman costume he gifted Peter. He might not have Friday though, which would've made it all too easy to hack Bat's equipment, as there is nothing in the movies on SM that we have seen couldn't hack and Bat's has never really had anyone try to hack his stuff in his movies nor the JL movie nor Doomsday Movie. So this point is situational.
Bats is not overcoming the Sense. I'm sorry, until he can show a way to overcome a literal god sense, I'm gonna keep that statement. You can argue superman has better hearing and sight than peter, but Peter doesn't need to, "See." you specifically, nor does he need to "smell" you or "hear" you. His soul left his body and it still reacted while he was confused on the matter, so he defs wasn't paying attention to Strange, who is, btw, a friendly, meaning the Spider Sense shouldn't have even worked against him. Though, this was after Mysterio in Far From Home, so it makes sense that the Spider Sense would be able to detect friendlies that turned hostile at that point, anyone trying to argue the sense is invalid.
Strength is Peter. Put Bats between a boat, give him some chains connecting both ends, and lets see him try to hold that better than Peter did, or just put a building on him and see if he can push it off him with pure strength alone. Or for more crazy ass scaling, put him in SM2 and have him try to hold the building from falling on them with just strength alone, no tech, just balls.
Intellect actually would have to go to Bats. If we're counting Andrew Garfield's TASM 1 and 2, then it's a tie. They both come up with grand solutions on the fly, whereas Toby nor Holland can do this without prep time, more often times than not Holland than Tobey, as Tobey just gets lucky most times in his Movie Trilogy.
I obviously fell for the clickbait XD, but I had to get that out. Now watch counterarguments address the issues with either, "Cope." or making me have to repeat what I already said to which I'll probably just flag so it can be removed.
Please try responding if you actually watched both movies. Who knows, I might have overlooked something, but I won't know if I get childish ass responses XD
Thank you
No prep Bruce ain't doing shit
Cap…
Facts
@@vergilmustlive8066 no prep time bruce wont even know about spider sence
@@annoyinghamza1991 did you not listen to the video lol… Batman has bypassed SUPERMANS senses, tf is a spider sense gonna stop😭
Batman has stuff on his belt that can accidentally kill Spiderman he doesn't need prep
The second you said mcu Spiderman I was like oh that's why you have that take. Comics Spiderman would mess up Bruce
Let’s go Seth!!!
Just going off the movies I feel Toby is probably the strongest spider in terms of pure strength. Sure Tom has better tech and spider sense and Andrew has electro speed scaling but Toby was capable of soloing goblin in his movie. The same goblin who was whopping Tom and even stopped a bloodlusted Tom from killing goblin by grabbing the glider. It’s probably because he’s an older Spider-Man and that was the intention but.
My only complaint about the speed scaling, is that I'm justice league Barry didn't go back in time(as much as they want to say he did)he simple rewound time(much like pre season 5 XS in the CW flash)Barry really time traveling would be the showing in "The Flash" movie
This is a complicated debate but I think Batman wins if it's DCEU Batman vs MCU spiderman
Atleast for Tobey and Tom Holland, a bloodlusted Tom holland tried to impale green goblin and tobey jumped infront of him from offscreen and stopped the glider point blank
Seth, I think you forgot to mention that superman holds back......like a whole lot. And his heat vision which he used a good bit drains him of energy more than any other power. Batman also reacted to doomsday's heat vision before it was fired, evidence to this is that heatvision is shown to have to build up in their eyes before launched
It's a fact that superman wasn't holding back when he went at batman in the gauntlet scene. Superman was blood lusted and took out the jl. He wanted batman dead in that moment. As is evident because supes tried to terminate bruce with his heat vision not knowing Bruce had the absorbing gauntlets.
@@MrSchizoid405 He was, if he wasnt he would've just blitz him no problem... we see characters that dont hold back in the flash movie
@@Majorlavon240 Except superman blood lusted wasn't thinking tactically he was consumed by anger. Supes didn't know about batmans gauntlets the heat vision was intended to kill bruce.
Supes blood lusted wouldn't think to use speed blitz on a character that he underestimates psychically.
8th gate Lee vs Momoshiki
you can watch the 4 kage fight kinshiki and try to scale a hypothetical lee vs them since we can’t see none of his boruto feet’s. but you can look at gaara fight urashiki multiple times
If youve read the comics you would know batman isnt a normal human. Hes definitely super human. He can bench over 1000 pounds, leg press over a ton, hes ripped the door off a plane in flight and can dodge bullets
Batman faster than Spider-Man - uh, no. When the heroes fought, they were holding back, on both sides. Spider-Man was a kid and Caps team kept checking to be sure he was okay.
Man batman supplies the justice league HQ. He has plans to defeat literally everybody. Gods n demi gods alike. Talk about spiderman getting bodied by green goblin, doc oct and sandman. No way batman cant get no top of him.
This must be trolling I’m sorry and not to be disrespectful but this entire analogy is off, actually a lot off. To give Spider-Man a medium in the speed range and a medium in the strength range compared to Batman is disrespectful. Spider-Man can stop trains lift cars. He can lift 10-300 tons depending on the situation and this is when he’s not angry and he’s holding back. Spider-Man often pulls punches. Spider-Man also has spider senses, so unless you’re super fast just like him that means Batman is not landing Punches or hitting Spider-Man. Any gadget Batman tries to throw spider-Man would know they’re coming before it even comes. Batman is just peak human performance, plus a lot of gadgets that’s it. however, Peter Parker is super human performance not to mention he’s more intelligent than Bruce Wayne so if he wanted to build a gadget belt, which he did have back in the days he could do that with no problem. It is not even a comparison. It’s just interesting that people would even think that Batman would stand a chance against Spider-Man. The thing with Batman is that he’s known for finding weaknesses, especially against superheroes who have direct weaknesses such as kryptonite or allergic to something, etc. Spider-Man has no weakness besides love ones, so unless Batman decides he wants to become a villain and hold aunt May or Mary Jane hostage he’s not winning.
I haven't watched yet but Batman isnt a normal human he has super human endurance, strength, speed, reaction time, and intelligence and wears a suit that provides protection
13:39 he was not inside the event horizon. Light escapes outside the event horizon constantly.
Who is Stronger Aanag vs Percival I would like to see a match up between them
we need the first edition of krillin vs one punch man
No prep time: spidy wins high diff.
Prep time : BatGoat slams.
if batman can somehow eliminate spidermans swinging ability then its up to straight hand to hand at that point... and idk batman got some hands on em😅
Doomsday isn’t planetary and neither is his heat vision, has nowhere near the feats to be that high. He would eventually destroy the planet like Hulk in Age of Ultron according to WoG. Same Hulk who the Hulkbuster could stand up to which Spidey would scale to. Superman was in front of the event horizon as he had to get clear of it, he wasn’t FTL at that point, only after he resurrected. No Batman isn’t FTL, that’s stupid. His best feats are relativistic which plenty of MCU characters have that Spidey scales to. This electricity scale lowball doesn’t make any sense. Thanos reacted to light and so has Thor.
He is planetary cry about it.
@@notjuulo no he isn’t. Didn’t do a single thing that was planetary. Only thing to cry about is him being weak.
@@FahimusAlimusWonder Woman said Pre Resurrection Superman (who was shown to be weaker than Doomsday) and Steppenwolf are comparable in power, Steppenwolf fought the original Doomsday that destroyed Krypton's moon which is bigger than earth. Flash is on the level of Unadapted Kryptonians who can react to his speed which can statue the other members of the Justice League except for Superman. The other members who are shown having Relativistic+ to FTL speed feats.
Cap did not throw Ultron through a concrete pillar. They were on a truck at speed, probably 50 or 60 miles an hour when Cap knocked/though Ultron off of the truck and he hit a pillar. I'm sure cap helped a lot but it was mostly the truck.
Finally who is stronger Carnage vs Hidan a battle between two immortals
“Batman is faster than Spider-Man” at this point I’m just here for a good time😂😂loved this video tho🤝🏾
Did Danco influence this video?
Hey Seth hope you’re doing well man! Just checking are you getting my Twitter dms about the All Might scaling video?
This whole arguments is dismantled because batman has been tagged by bullets. Spidey has only been tagged off guard by bullets
That's because Batman does get stomped read the comics bro the movies are weak in comparison and no Batman is not ftl in the films nor is he ftl in the comics without prep he gets one shotted and blitzed. Did no research on Spider-Man or Batman comics i see
Theres no need to project that you don't know what you're talking about
Batman would not be able to land a hit with any gadget at all. Spider-Man would be able to hit batman before he could move. Being able to run 200mph is not something that Batman could beat. Also Batman winning would mean he didn’t get hit once?…
Seth is on a streak
One note poison doesn't work on most versions of Spiderman
I saw a video of two guys casually discussing Spider-Man Vs Homelander. Wondering what your thoughts are on that?
Homelaner is at best 2x supersonic, and city block level durability
Wouldn't batman already have experience fighting someone with such senses and just disrupt them? Wouldnt just disrupting spidey senses make apiderman completely uselsss?
i think a more interesting debate is batman vs ironman
Batman wins with his anti-spider spray
Ngl, the Batman calcs/feat comparisons are a bit outrageous.
Spidey is realistically winning most encounters 8/10. Batman is heavily carried by the plot to keep up with his superpowered peers.
Batman probably has raid 🪳 in his utility belt 😂
This comes down to Spider sense vs Prep time.
Batman with spiderman levels of strength would be too op
Consistent feats=not plot armour it’s fiction regular humans are not the same as fictional humans
What happened to the old seth the programmer channel? Did dude feel like starting over cause the old channel was too op.
To many A Minor trolls
Bro had to hide from the controversy
@mimoa4332 hammer oh well I thought he beat it. But glad are boy is back.
he is essentially edp looking for a cupcake if you catch my drift
Who is stronger Wonder Women vs Mereoleona vermilion would be interesting
Who is Stronger Bendy from ink machine vs Marshshadow
Well. Snyder made terrible movies so there that.. but I have to just disregard some info. Like the suit not amping his strength. That's bs. He has superpowers otherwise. And the speed thing I chalk up to skill with timing/aim dodge. Cope for sure lol.
Batman is all plot armor.
Oh great now all weird incel like modern batman fans are gonna think he stands a chance against spiderman without plot armor. Great job Seth you totally didnt fall off
Man I thought this was a comic version of the characters because marvel unintentionally made spiderman goated in strength by saying 616 is the most powerful version of the character because that would include shattered dimensions and edge of time spiderman who out of Stan lees mouth said spiderman beat mysterio who had power beyond imagination while mysterio was ripping the multiverse apart spiderman stomps him pretty casually too
Batman would literally treat Spider-Man like a villain of the week
Spidey loses fast. he's just going to be outplayed by batman at every turn. batman is used to fighting villains much stronger and faster than him. spiderman is smart but he isn't touching bats level of intellect when it comes to planning to mitigate any disadvantage he may come across with tools at his disposal.
Batman has super human attributes but gets lowballed to peak. Spiderman is straight up super human. Batman could stomp anyday
Who is stronger Senku vs Jimmy Neutron
All 3 9f the movie Spider-Man are equal this was already shown but tom has thd best tech as for intelligence andrew is smarter than tom abd tom js quite intelligent tom has better feats then them
Legendary
Its kinda CRAZY that people out here think any form of batman can beat Spiderman
So ist bassicly Captain Marvel vs Superman and flash rather than Batman vs Spiderman 😅
Wanna know what’s dumb. They each could easily handle the other villains.
Comparing Superman senses to spider man spider sense is outrageous
Well superman can sense people even in the overvoid so way beyond anything he can fathom
@@samuraiblack8840 but one can see the future... he can be without senses and still dodge..
@@Majorlavon240 a spider can't dodge my slide when I reach back and smack the fuck out of it even with it's enhanced senses or a fly cause when you're massively faster it's a big difference.
He literally infected cyborg the most high tech hero. If he was so weak, why he always surviving and literally gods n demo gods fear the batman
Who is stronger Bardock vs Yujiro
Why don’t you post on your other channel anymore
I think your take is very unreasonable. Spider man speed blitzes and one shots that orphan collector.
Batman clears that broke bum
Spider-Man is much more superior to Bat-man. Give prep time to Bat-Man and you have to give it to Spider-Man as well. Because fair is fair. Bat-Man would still lose Because Spider-Man has higher IQ. 250 to be exact, Bat-Man has 192. Bat-Man loses regardless if prep time is available or not.
Seth the child diddler?
Who is stronger Weiss from RWBY vs Killer frost
Deleted my original comment like 2 minutes after I posted it, so I assume nobody saw it. But:
At the end, we have differing opinions is all.
I can’t really blame you for not including the higher scales for Spider-Man as I assume you just don’t know the scales, it would be disingenuous to say you left it out for a bias or anything especially considering these aren’t well known.
I also can’t fault you for not knowing all the DCEU debunks. Again, I think it’s just a knowledge check.
I do think you should do more research on topics in the future, but this was a fun watch and would love to see more live action debating from you in the future, just make sure you do a little more research haha
(Yes I am aware this is a reupload, just wanted to address things better than in my original post)
What do you mean with "Dceu debunks"?
@@djb9267 DCEU Superman was debunked to small town lvl and Mach 40 a while ago
@@djb9267 flash is still pretty strong in cross verse though
With how bad Spider-man's been written in the recent comics, I'd give this to Batman regardless of prep time 🥴🥴🥴
Bro I’m sorry but no way Batman takes Spidey when it comes to speed. Spidey has been described as so fast that his attacks are like a blur, and his reaction speed is just so insane that if he was fighting seriously Batman would not even land a single hit.
Superman never tried to fully blitz Batman at full speed. Batman has even admitted in the comics that even with all his prep and skills, if Superman really wanted to he could squish him into the pavement before he could even react. The scaling on speed is flawed on that part lol speed goes to Spidey and it’s not even close bro
Even while hearing you laugh this vid still slightly pissed me off😭😂
>live action versions
boring
Inconsistent writing in regards to physics. Almost impossible to get a proper scaling. Never seen Batman straight up dodge point blank gunfire but somehow he manages to avoid plasma and/or light based attacks on the regular. Can probably sum it up to bad writing.
Yessir keep it up
Tobey would Win
This man said batman is faster than Spiderman 🤦🏿