Micro-Air EasyStart 368 Install on Trane XL16i 5-ton A/C

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @Finaltouchone1
    @Finaltouchone1 Год назад +6

    My man, in a world where A.I. algorithms are hiding help videos, I'm glad your video slipped through the cracks. The micro-air website gave me every wire diagram EXCEPT for my trane. I found your video, did step by step and it's working perfectly. Got the Bluetooth showing me all the info, too. Much appreciated.

    • @waynewright3248
      @waynewright3248 Месяц назад

      Old news now, but their webpage for A/C models does not show Trane under RV Brand Specific Diagrams, but does show Trane Models (3 Links) under the Home Brand Specific Diagrams. So was it A.I. or possibly the wrong selection? At any rate, old news now and you got what you needed. BTW, I have Trane and did what I wrote above....at first, lol.

  • @zygotepeyote
    @zygotepeyote Год назад +12

    I think you sold yourself short Jim. Your first reading of around 61 Amps was with the device installed. Had you taken a reading with a meter capable of detecting inrush current before you installed the device it would have been a lot more than 61 Amps! Probably closer to 100 Amps. Without knowing this number it is impossible to say but I would bet your number for current drop was more like 65-70%. Great job and thanks so much for sharing. Much appreciated!

  • @g-wolf9445
    @g-wolf9445 Год назад +5

    This is probably the second DIY video that I have seen on this topic and I would also recommend changing out the start and run capacitors first if they are showing signs of age like rust/corrosion or low capacitance. Change them out one at a time allowing a couple of run cycles each time to make sure that the system is still functioning correctly before you tie in the Easy Start. Great video presentation. Thank you for sharing this.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      Great advice. My start and run capacitors look and tested fine, so I didn't need to replace them.

  • @dalltex
    @dalltex Год назад +7

    Nicely done. If anyone watching attempts this upgrade I would recommend exposing more of the wires to reduce strain and to make connections easier.

  • @rwstarke
    @rwstarke Год назад +4

    I have a 4-ton (46,000 BTU) A/C unit. Two years ago I installed a Micro-Air EasyStart 368 (4-ton) Soft Starter ASY-368-X48-BLUE. It now has 26,400 starts. My AC unit now uses 12.8 to 13.8 Amps and a Start Peak of 33 to 36 Amps. I bought it at Global Yacht Supply. It was shipped from Micro-Air.

    • @TheThesweetgee
      @TheThesweetgee Год назад

      I was wondering about global yacht. So they are a legit company..

    • @rwstarke
      @rwstarke Год назад

      @@TheThesweetgee They were 2 years ago.

    • @rwstarke
      @rwstarke Год назад

      @@TheThesweetgee I don't see anything recent on their social media. The address looks like an office. I would stay away.

    • @blackrifle6736
      @blackrifle6736 Год назад

      *TheSweetGee has the clue. When GYS was on 12th Court in Riviera Beach they actually had a legit storefront. Then GYS moved around a bit. As you mentioned, GYS is now an office (Suite F) on US-1 in NPB. Have only one sketchy Yelp review and that Drop-Ship vibe. As every Floridian knows, scammers and flakes abound because new marks arrive here daily. Proving once again, PT Barnum was right. Cheers!*

    • @jesushernande5371
      @jesushernande5371 Год назад +1

      I thought for a 4 ton you need a x72 not a x48 . How did you made your choice ? I have a 4 ton trane

  • @georgeb132
    @georgeb132 Год назад +5

    I have a Trane XL16i, 4 ton unit and just installed the ASY-368-X72- BLUE and my starting amps went from 122 amps down to an incredible 34.7 amps and my running amps are down to 9.3 amps.

    • @TheThesweetgee
      @TheThesweetgee Год назад +1

      I have a 4 ton also and was wondering about doing the x72 instead of the x48. Just in case I upgraded my unit didn't want to purchase another easystart unit.

    • @georgeb132
      @georgeb132 Год назад +2

      @@TheThesweetgee your going to have to use the X72. The X48 is only for up to 3 1/2 ton units

  • @davidfoulk3078
    @davidfoulk3078 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you for the great video I’m gonna e-mail micro-air easy start with a pic of my spec sticker on my 3.5 ton carrier unit and go from there.

  • @williambray3996
    @williambray3996 4 месяца назад +1

    I installed on my Trane 3.5 ton unit using this video. It runs great on my 13K watt generator now.

  • @Berniesf
    @Berniesf Год назад +5

    I have the same exact setup. Went from 95 amps to 31. Now I can run the AC with a 15k peak/12k running watts generator

  • @SpringRubber
    @SpringRubber Год назад +3

    Thanks for posting the video. I also have a Trane XL16i that was installed in 2018 but it's a 3 ton unit and only has one capacitor. Good to see you re-oriented the wire nuts on the line cable to point up -- looks like you had a numbskull tech who installed them down so they could collect water and debris. I'm considering installing one of these devices and when I took off the access panel on my A/C, whoa, a chipmunk (I'm guessing) had built a little nest in there. And the top of my capacitor is rusty - another indication the area behind the panel is open to intrusion.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      You have a keen eye! Yes, those wire nuts should have been pointed up. Fortunately the EasyStart is in a weatherproof enclosure, so it could, in theory, be mounted outside. But we get lots of moisture in Seattle, so I'm glad it fit in that compartment.

  • @EricHenleyColorado
    @EricHenleyColorado 3 месяца назад

    To add to the discussion. I bought a MicroAir soft starter. Had the company confirm that is was sized correctly and they even verified the connections - run wire, etc. Worked great for 2 months. Then no cold air. House in Florida, in the summer, heating up to 85+. I was out of town, so called my local AC tech and he discovered the run wire connection from the soft start was burned. For a distance of over 6 inches. He rewired the AC and Voila cold air again. I contacted MicroAir and told them what happened. Me being a trusting consumer, I thought they would stand by their product. NOPE! They told me the failure was caused by the heat. You think? Florida, in the summer, DUH! The original run wire worked for 9 years and after reconnecting the AC works fine. There is something wrong with the soft started and they won't admit it or support their unit. BUYER BEWARE!!

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  3 месяца назад +1

      That's sad. Micro-Air has a good reputation for customer support. A burned wire might have also been caused by a loose or poor wire nut or crimp connection.

  • @maxwellcrazycat9204
    @maxwellcrazycat9204 2 месяца назад

    I bought the Flex unit. I noticed a defect on the cover that could compromise the seal. I sent them an email with pictures. They sent me another Flex unit with the same defect only slightly worse. Now I'm on hold with the install.

  • @billl3936
    @billl3936 2 месяца назад

    The starting peak amps without the micro air easy start would be higher than the 61.3 amps you got on the first start. So your savings is going to be more than the 48.3% that you calculated. You can use the nameplate lock rotor amps (LRA) to get a closer figure on your savings. On a 5 ton unit the starting amps is going to be closer to 70 or 80 A without the micro air easy start.

  • @phbrinsden
    @phbrinsden 5 месяцев назад

    My Trane 5 ton went from above 80 at start to 29.9 after 5 learning runs. Running at 13 amps.

  • @joeretired4552
    @joeretired4552 5 месяцев назад +3

    Very good video. Did you happen to check the amps on the Fan? I am curious to know what the fan amps are initially to allow deducting the fan amps from the Total amps prior to installing the Easy Start. That would provide the amps initially by the compressor to allow knowing what the Easy Start is doing with the compressor after installation.
    I am considering a similar installation for my Trane outdoor unit with Easy Start 368 Blue unit. Did you contact Trane and ask about using the Easy Start ? I want to know what they said if you did. Thanks for your video - now, what does Trane think of the Easy Start device???

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  5 месяцев назад

      No, I did not contact Trane. My A/C was out of warranty, so it didn't seem necessary.

    • @joeretired4552
      @joeretired4552 5 месяцев назад

      @@litzdog911 same as me. I was curious what trane people might have to say, if anything. Something like “absolutely go ahead and see how it goes.”

  • @nhojcam
    @nhojcam 5 месяцев назад +1

    actually, your before and after starting amps are better than you indicate. most ac's start at 80 to 100 amps, so your results are really pretty phenomenal. certainly, this amperage would be able to be started with a 50 amp generator no problem, even with the generator running other essential things on the circuit.

  • @capnchip
    @capnchip 3 месяца назад

    Nice hands show!

  • @mikequartucci9700
    @mikequartucci9700 Год назад +3

    Jim, how did you contact MicroAir and send them your pics of your wiring, what procedure did you use?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад +2

      I reached out to them via their website. Under "Support", select "Contact Us" and complete the information form. They responded in one day.

  • @tkonzl6059
    @tkonzl6059 Год назад +1

    I have a 2008 model Trane XR13 5-ton unit with an EasyStart installed that the Live Current is between 12 and 14 amps. However, the Last Start Peak fluctuates between 34 and 74 amps. Why the huge fluctuation I don't know, but the EasyStart doesn't seem like it would help my A/C to work with even a mid-sized (9,500 W) generator.

  • @GH-wt7ww
    @GH-wt7ww 5 месяцев назад +1

    Any issues with the Micro-Air EasyStart 368 Soft Starter (Model ASY-368-X72-BLUE) since posting the video? Really looking hard at the soft start for my 5 ton A/C.
    Great video thanks for posting.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  5 месяцев назад

      No issues. It's working great. The app and Bluetooth connectivity make it easy to verify that it's doing its job.

  • @BladeAndrade
    @BladeAndrade 4 месяца назад +1

    I'd like to know what is the LRA on your AC unit's label so we can have an idea of how much reduction the micro-air is providing.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  4 месяца назад

      Trane 4TTX6060, LRA=118A on the label.

  • @mohavie2360
    @mohavie2360 7 месяцев назад +1

    awesome video sir.. what is this app that you are using? pretty nifty

  • @mr.boniato6402
    @mr.boniato6402 Год назад +1

    Would adding this void the warranty if something happens to a brand new AC unit?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      Great question. That's something you would need to ask your A/C manufacturer. Mine was no longer under warranty, so it wasn't a concern.

  • @pds4184
    @pds4184 11 месяцев назад +1

    I hope you dont mind if I ask a question, I have a 5ton Carrie dual stage blower motor, did they say how to connect that by chance, Does your unit had dual stage motor?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  11 месяцев назад +2

      No, my unit does not have a dual stage motor. But Micro-Air was very prompt in sending me wiring instructions, providing excellent support.

  • @FrontlineNewsToday
    @FrontlineNewsToday 4 месяца назад

    You left out so many important details. Attaching the easy start, attaching the butt connector, reading the schematic to determine where the wires would be connected, etc.

  • @dreednlb
    @dreednlb Год назад +1

    Likely cut the in rush current by more than half. Even on that first start it was already working. You would have needed to use a clamp meter to measure the in rush current before you connected the soft starter to truly know what your original in rush amperage was.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      Great point. I didn't have a suitable clamp meter to measure the original inrush current. The A/C label indicates LRA=118A, so the EasyStart certainly lowers it quite a bit.

    • @RadioRich100
      @RadioRich100 3 месяца назад

      You cant measure modified current from that box with a clamp meter it will give you false low readings.

  • @emsaiii
    @emsaiii 9 месяцев назад +3

    in your recap - you do NOT remove the black wire - you removed the screw and put the easy start black wire onto that same terminal, and re-inserted the screw.

    • @DS-fb9te
      @DS-fb9te 6 месяцев назад

      He’s not a pro. 😏he’s a DIY😎

  • @casshern86
    @casshern86 6 месяцев назад

    Easy understand, thank you.

  • @wyldeman
    @wyldeman 2 месяца назад +1

    Question.... on the 5 restarts did each one start the compressor? I installed one on my house and the compressor wouldn't start. It was like it didnt have enough entergy. It kinda growled and stopped. So i was afraid it would mess up my system. I pulled the breaker. I took it off and sent MicroAir a letter. They said install it like i did. I was just scared to try it again. Yesterday had a tech out and he serviced the unit snd had him hook it up. Did the samething. He wasnt sure about the EasyStart first time for him also. Did the same thing again. So my question am i to try this no start for at least 5 times? I just dont want to burn my unit up......thank you to anyone that can answer this.....

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  2 месяца назад

      That's not good. The compressor should start each time. The 5 starts are simply for the EasyStart to "learn" your compressor characteristics to minimize the startup current surge. The sequence should be: 1. thermostat triggers fan to start; 2. a few seconds later the compressor should kick on. Does your compressor start normally without the EasyStart?

    • @wyldeman
      @wyldeman 2 месяца назад

      @@litzdog911 yes

    • @wyldeman
      @wyldeman 2 месяца назад

      @@litzdog911 I bought it 2 years ago. Had an accident and couldn't install it. My ac man came out to service the unit and I asked him to install it. He did and it did the same thing.

    • @wyldeman
      @wyldeman 2 месяца назад

      It's a branch new Youk heat pump 2 years old

    • @wyldeman
      @wyldeman 2 месяца назад

      @@litzdog911 yes starts fine

  • @mario7mag
    @mario7mag 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much!!

  • @stevekelly7488
    @stevekelly7488 Год назад +3

    What is the second capacitor for? Is it part of the run capacitor or a hard start cap?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      It's a switch relay capacitor, not hard start cap.

    • @RW-to2fy
      @RW-to2fy Год назад

      Must a hard start and should be removed before Easy Start is installed

    • @HVACgentrylabarda
      @HVACgentrylabarda 7 месяцев назад

      That’s for the fan

  • @prezzzrock
    @prezzzrock 4 месяца назад +1

    Question for you. I installed my Micro Air Soft Start on my 5 ton about 3 weeks ago. The 5 ton unit is less than 3 years old so it's fairly new. In the heat of the day, I get a "Over Current" fault. It'll be 93+ degrees out when I get that fault. Micro Air says it may be a weak run capacitor...... But I doubt it being so new. They also tell me to have the soft starter to relearn in the heat of the day. That hasn't solved it. Have you ever experienced this with your unit?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  4 месяца назад

      Sorry, I have not encountered that issue with my setup.

    • @RadioRich100
      @RadioRich100 3 месяца назад

      @@litzdog911 Take it off, you be better off without it. You dont need to have points of failure added to your AC for nothing.

  • @Thatsallihavetosayaboutthat
    @Thatsallihavetosayaboutthat Год назад +2

    Should I get a 368-72 for my 4 ton a/c?

  • @jeffdonofri8027
    @jeffdonofri8027 6 месяцев назад +1

    is there any expected reduction in the "running" amps?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  6 месяцев назад

      Not really. Main benefit is reduction in the starting amperage.

  • @bryantjenks3598
    @bryantjenks3598 5 месяцев назад

    I have the Trane XLi18 4TWX8 which looks very similar to yours. When I looked at the Trane electrical one-line it shows a variable speed fan, so the 240V is directly connected to the fan and then turned on by control wires. I am assuming yours is the same and doesn't cause a problem with switching on the fan first? I sent an email to Micro-Air and they said it shouldn't be an issue. But wanted to ask someone who might have installed it on the same type of CU.

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  5 месяцев назад

      Yours is different. My A/C does not have a variable speed fan. It seems that there are several version of this A/C. But they're right, it should still work fine. The EasyStart helps with the compressor and doesn't do anything for the fan.

    • @bryantjenks3598
      @bryantjenks3598 5 месяцев назад

      But doesn’t the micro-air start the fan first then the compressor?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  5 месяцев назад +1

      @@bryantjenks3598 Yes, but it doesn't change the default fan startup, only the compressor.

  • @gerardomireles122
    @gerardomireles122 Год назад +2

    Why you say first
    The orange wire joint with the herm connection
    And later you say the orange wire connect on the run point terminal
    Connection explained
    Or you confused the run with herm cool interesting

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад +2

      I'm not great with colors. That's why I included the exact wiring diagram and showed closeups of the connections. Hope it was helpful.

  • @peterjslover
    @peterjslover Год назад +2

    This would be very helpful if your hands in your body weren't blocking the connections you are making

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад

      That's why I tried to be sure to show those connections again, and include the detailed connection diagram.

    • @TROOTHSEEKERS
      @TROOTHSEEKERS Год назад +1

      His hands were in the way momentarily, but you could still see all the connections very clearly! Good job!

    • @phbrinsden
      @phbrinsden 5 месяцев назад

      At about 70% through Jim does a nice revisit to clearly show where everything goes. My 5 ton Trane looks just like yours Jim. Very helpful vid.

  • @garyrider8842
    @garyrider8842 Год назад +4

    all I see is hands

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад +1

      Yep. Kind of hard to video without my hands there. Hopefully you can see enough to follow along.

    • @johnnyking1977
      @johnnyking1977 Год назад

      I agree with you, but let's give him credit for DYI.
      What got me confused is that he first said "to remove the compressor black wire" when in reality he added the black wire instead.
      Ninety nine percent of all the videos I watched done by so called professional installers neither one of them moved over the wires or at least cut the wire tie for a better picture.
      After all he has done a good job!

  • @charlesmiller7901
    @charlesmiller7901 4 месяца назад

    Man, that was painful to watch

  • @geraldschilli8870
    @geraldschilli8870 Год назад

    It still amazes me how installers mount the c/u so close to the wall of the house & how home owners don’t trim back shrubs & plants that are too close to the c/u. Wake up people & pay attention to detail.

  • @RadioRich100
    @RadioRich100 3 месяца назад

    Soft starters put on systems not designed for it is not a good thing to do to your AC. They can damage your compressor windings and will definitely void your warranty. Also the electronically altered waveforms coming out of that box cant be measured with a clamp meter, which gives inaccurately very low readings given the illusion that this thing is running your system on far less power which is a farce. Clamp meters can only measure 60hz unaltered current not the proprietary current modulation from that magic box. Dont be a "follow the leader utuber" By listening to people trying to make a buck pushing these things (or bragging about them) not knowing what there talking about getting advice from other utubers who dont know what their talking about. These boxes DO NOT reduce current to your compressor motor (you really think a motor with the same load now runs the same on a fraction of the current because of a magic box?) B.S. !! It does not make the system last longer(probably the opposite) doesnt reduce your electric bill or any of the other wild claims im reading. Yes it starts quieter, because that box is starving your motor for current over a long period of time until it gets enough to run normally, over heating it and bubbling the enamel off the copper windings and straining the motor. Your system IS NOT designed to start like that. Newer systems using different current modulation schemes like split units do use newer technology like that. But your system can not be converted to a newer system by putting a magic box on it. Dont be fooled by follow the leader utubers that know nothing of what there talking about. Dont install them.
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    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  3 месяца назад

      I respectfully disagree. While the EasyStart doesn't reduce the running current, it certainly reduces the startup surge current. That can't possibly be harmful. In fact, some RV air conditioners now include this standard. Not sure where you're getting your information.

    • @RadioRich100
      @RadioRich100 3 месяца назад

      @@litzdog911 No it doesnt or the motor would never turn. It elongates the timing which is damaging the motor that is not made to start that way., It strains while not getting enough current during that startup period, heating the windings until it finally starts turning, causes the enamel on the copper to melt and solder joints go cold overtime. Hvac guys routinely disconnect these boxes on service calls because of the problems they cause including blowing windings open. The manufacturer will void your warranty for putting one it. Why do you think that is? Those motors are designed to start immediately. Not over much longer periods.

    • @philw8606
      @philw8606 2 месяца назад +1

      I've used one for 5 years on my work trailer because it runs off generator. It just allows compressor to start up slower instead of that initial pop. No problems and I'm in az so that baby works hard.

  • @Phone-sh7jg
    @Phone-sh7jg Год назад +1

    Any problems so far?

    • @litzdog911
      @litzdog911  Год назад +2

      Zero issues. And it's been getting a good workout during our summer heatwave. Much quieter startups without the flickering lights!

    • @Phone-sh7jg
      @Phone-sh7jg Год назад +2

      ​@@litzdog911thats why i need one. Excellent vid!