Walter Veith & Martin Smith - The Doctrine Of The Law, Predestination & Christian Perfection-WUP 60

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  • Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
  • In Episode 60 we discuss the very important but also very controversial subjects of the Law, predestination and Christian perfection. In the study we look at the definition of sin, understanding of salvation through the Sanctuary, standing without spot or wrinkle and more.
    LINKS FOR FURTHER STUDY:
    Conflict & Triumph Series Videos:
    Pearls of Truth in Settings of Gold / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    • 291 - Pearls of Truth ...
    The Character of God on Trial / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    • 292 - The Character of...
    Light Upon the Path / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    • 293 - Light Upon the P...
    Babylon is Fallen Part 1 - Walter Veith - Conflict and Triumph
    • Babylon is Fallen Part...
    Babylon is Fallen Part 2 / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    • Babylon is Fallen Part...
    Build me a House - Walter Veith - Conflict and Triumph
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    QUOTES:
    Faith and Works, p. 56.1
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 510.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 472.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    The Review and Herald October 10, 1899, paragraph 2
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 50.1
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 488.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    God’s Remnant Church (The Remnant Church), p. 48.6
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?q...
    articles.ochristian.com/articl...
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  • @ClashOfMinds1
    @ClashOfMinds1  3 года назад +17

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    LINKS FOR FURTHER STUDY:
    Conflict & Triumph Series Videos:
    Pearls of Truth in Settings of Gold / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    ruclips.net/video/MDcU34_OwOs/видео.html
    The Character of God on Trial / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    ruclips.net/video/YnAVWAsOnik/видео.html
    Light Upon the Path / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    ruclips.net/video/OwYKwfEdTCI/видео.html
    Babylon is Fallen Part 1 - Walter Veith - Conflict and Triumph
    ruclips.net/video/VBxN-PE5PW8/видео.html
    Babylon is Fallen Part 2 / Conflict and Triumph - Walter Veith
    ruclips.net/video/jeZ7K3L2E9s/видео.html
    Build me a House - Walter Veith - Conflict and Triumph
    adtv.watch/watch/build-me-a-house/10
    QUOTES:
    Faith and Works, p. 56.1
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=FW+56.1&suggestion=0
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 510.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=GC88+510.3&suggestion=0
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 472.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=GC88+472.3&suggestion=0
    The Review and Herald October 10, 1899, paragraph 2
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=RH+October+10%2C+1899&suggestion=0
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 50.1
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=GC88+50.1&suggestion=0
    The Great Controversy (1888 ed.), p. 488.3
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=GC88+488.3&suggestion=0
    God’s Remnant Church (The Remnant Church), p. 48.6
    m.egwwritings.org/en/search?query=GRC+48.6&suggestion=0
    articles.ochristian.com/article6131.shtml

    • @trudiekukard3340
      @trudiekukard3340 3 года назад +1

      I wish that God and Jesus’s names were in capital letters in die subtitles. Because He is holy and His name should be in capital letters. It really distracted me from the message.

    • @ghponygirl
      @ghponygirl 3 года назад

      Walter can you please address the ideas of Unbuntu and Ifa that are sweeping through our world right now?

  • @conmarika8740
    @conmarika8740 3 года назад +7

    Read the scripture and study the scripture, Amen and Amen Walter Greetings from Chinchilla
    QLD Australia

  • @glynnisjames8589
    @glynnisjames8589 2 года назад +5

    This session has opened my mind to many things and I was struggling to articulate a response to a friend who subscribes to once saved always saved. God be praised and bless the work you do in bringing light to the gospel

  • @albertmwangi3297
    @albertmwangi3297 3 года назад +5

    I believe in later times people will run to and fro in search of such massages of truth, please brethren study the word of God in advance so as not to be among those who will be deceived, thanks walter and martin for this great message

  • @ngonihwata2653
    @ngonihwata2653 3 года назад +6

    Victory over sin, in my humble opinion, is one of the greatest miracles we receive from God but we also have a part to play; we have to be willing to quit sinning, ask Christ and He will give us the strength to stop sinning. It's a daily struggle, as we behold Him, as in a mirror, we're gradually changed into His likeness. That is, I believe, what Paul meant in Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. And likewise in verse 8 of the same chapter we have to bring our thought processes in conformity to the will of Christ that we may not sin, even in thought! But lest anyone should boast the victory is His, not ours.
    May the Lord continue to bless you and strengthen you, brother Walter and brother Martin. Lovemore, Fresno, CA.

  • @mckfox3562
    @mckfox3562 3 года назад +4

    thank you very much to both of you fine gentlemen may you stay loved and protected by the grace of our Father...once you are truely born anew it is impossible to continue with sin..yes it is a process and little 'accidents' happen along the way but with time and Jesus in your hart guiding your every step you shall sin no more...keeping the law is no effort but more a by-product of this NEW birth..

  • @joobalee5776
    @joobalee5776 3 года назад +3

    Onward and forward to #61. Thank You Lord.

  • @sonneyputh6503
    @sonneyputh6503 2 года назад +2

    Mr. Smith and Mr. Walter, you are both doing the Lord's work and thank you for helping me grow closer to the God of Israel.

  • @joobalee5776
    @joobalee5776 3 года назад +5

    Thank you so much for this "Bread."
    I've had a very difficult time with, "be ye perfect," and yet knowing that I am with sin.
    Our heavenly Father and His Precious Son, Immanuel, are so loving and longsuffering with "slow learners" such as myself.
    And so, it appears our Merciful God has brought Walter Veith and Martin Smith for such times as these.
    Oh Glory!

  • @preciousstone4536
    @preciousstone4536 3 года назад +5

    I am blessed by this presentation. Keep up your good work pastor Walter and brother Martin. Never get discourage or despair ok. Keep sharing keep speaking. God bless your ministry.

  • @dianneng358
    @dianneng358 3 года назад +4

    I am sincerely grateful for this powerful sermon. You have made so many things clear concerning faith, justification, works, the definition of sin.
    May the Lord continue using you as His vessel.

  • @johnarnold8045
    @johnarnold8045 3 года назад +4

    Sad to say but seems like whenever I hear a discussion regarding not sinning I do not hear any talk to do with our part of cooperating with God. Struggling with ALL our heart, mind ,soul and strength against temptation. Perhaps one of my favorite quotes from SOP in essence says at times in our walk in Christ and fighting against sin we may feel like we are tearing ourselves into pieces, but this what we MUST DO if we will ever grow into maturity in Christ. This walk with Jesus is a battle and a march.

  • @nomusasibanda4832
    @nomusasibanda4832 3 года назад +4

    Powerful am blessed....From South Africa!!

  • @sharonconlon9069
    @sharonconlon9069 3 года назад +57

    Hi from Australia, i can't wait for the next exiting episode, to unlock the incredible mysteries of Our Lord God Almighty JESUS Christ our Saviour. Thank you JESUS for imparting Your Glorious Wisdom to wake Your children up in these last days. 😊💙🤗

  • @jenniferbaker9726
    @jenniferbaker9726 3 года назад +4

    Thankyou once again please keep my family and myself in prayer. God Bless all in this ministry.

  • @sophiawalker2763
    @sophiawalker2763 3 года назад +7

    Thank you brothers for your faithfulness from Jamaica.

  • @THookz
    @THookz 3 года назад +3

    This really helped me. Sin is at the root of all evil, and in direct opposition with the character and attributes of God. The Lord has been good to me. Jesus is a really good friend. His mercy is proof enough of how great he will be to us for the millennia!

  • @sinnerslikeyouandme6227
    @sinnerslikeyouandme6227 3 года назад +36

    Hello from Shillong Meghalaya India let's pray for them as we hear from them

  • @cristinacabigas586
    @cristinacabigas586 3 года назад +14

    Prayers and blessings

  • @questioneverything1646
    @questioneverything1646 3 года назад +39

    Love these discussions every week!
    Thank you Walter and Martin!

  • @cheryllaurro3259
    @cheryllaurro3259 3 года назад +2

    Yes, please continue to clear the fog that blocks the Christians sight from His Truths and with love unplug his ears to hear His God speak ...

  • @marcustraore545
    @marcustraore545 3 года назад +2

    It’s always a blessing hearing from you brothers! Wonderful words of life!

  • @elinahchurchmutopa7938
    @elinahchurchmutopa7938 3 года назад +6

    Being blessed everytime. May God richly bless your ministry. Love from Uganda

  • @rickswineberg
    @rickswineberg 3 года назад +12

    episode 59 was very good

  • @ambererickson645
    @ambererickson645 3 года назад +3

    THANK YOU FROM MY HEART FOR THIS VIDEO! (AND EVERY VIDEO) I PRAY FOR YOU EACH DAILY!

  • @marcelocarmo7738
    @marcelocarmo7738 3 года назад +22

    May God keep pouring His blessings over this ministry! Giving you strength, courage and the Holy Spirit!!

  • @KT-wr7ju
    @KT-wr7ju 3 года назад +18

    Thank you Walter and Martin.

  • @zillikihoko2389
    @zillikihoko2389 3 года назад +4

    Be blessed! Listening from Tanzania

  • @rosehammond2118
    @rosehammond2118 3 года назад +11

    Walter, you are always very careful, when discussing controversial topics, to show both sides with quotes, and Scripture that lays out the whole picture so that it is plain to see truth from error. I’m am waiting for part 2, thanks for teaching me patience😊🌹

  • @neildube1897
    @neildube1897 3 года назад +4

    Omg, I hope, if I can make it through to Heaven, to converse with you two in the Holy Spirit. May the peace of God follow this presentation.

  • @EdmarFerreiraflamengo80
    @EdmarFerreiraflamengo80 3 года назад +14

    Waiting from down here. Brazil.

  • @sherinicholls558
    @sherinicholls558 3 года назад +22

    Looking forward to this heavy food from Barbados 🖒God bless brothers

  • @jennyward7202
    @jennyward7202 3 года назад +7

    May God continue to bless and protect this ministry

  • @user-nw1qz1qx5z
    @user-nw1qz1qx5z 3 года назад +25

    Hi from Bulgaria! Waiting for new episode and thanks for this excellent education program. See you soon! Bye.

  • @ryanweir1203
    @ryanweir1203 3 года назад +3

    Bro you bring so much clarity in your preaching i look forward to this every week!!!!!!

  • @myoreo2
    @myoreo2 3 года назад +9

    I can’t wait till next week!! Thank you for this topic. I have been wanting to understand this so well and have been praying for God to lead me to the correct answer. I want to surrender all to Him and let Him lead.

  • @eleroie9508
    @eleroie9508 3 года назад +53

    God knows how desperate I was to hear this message from my reliable God's word and servant

  • @lourdesittabalderas3758
    @lourdesittabalderas3758 3 года назад +14

    Hi watching from Australia God bless you both

  • @abrahamspies7611
    @abrahamspies7611 3 года назад +10

    Thank you Pastor

  • @miriemahazu8168
    @miriemahazu8168 3 года назад +23

    I cannot wait!!

  • @jodies1621
    @jodies1621 3 года назад +11

    Thank you for helping me and my family.

  • @avimol
    @avimol 3 года назад +4

    Thank you from loma linda California 😘💖

  • @anitakrznaric2286
    @anitakrznaric2286 3 года назад +24

    Hello from Croatia ! Looking forward for a new episode. God bless Walter and Martin. 🙏♥️

  • @RyanSmith-hh8gs
    @RyanSmith-hh8gs 3 года назад +12

    Amen , thank you Brother's .!!! God Bless you abundantly

  • @beulaesther7590
    @beulaesther7590 3 года назад +2

    Great work of ministry of enlightening the truth

  • @alhende7591
    @alhende7591 3 года назад +14

    Thy way, O God, is in the Sanctuary:
    who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13.
    We must be perfect in our sphere as God is, in His sphere. ... We must be covered with the robe of Christ's Righteousness; ... Send all our sins before us to Judgment; ... No sin can enter Heaven.
    Jesus is very God.
    Thank You dear Heavenly Father for opening up the Way to Heaven unto us, so that through Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour, all who choose You may enter in.
    As You continue to enlighten us through Your earthly Messengers, Martin Smith and Walter Veith, my all who so desire, by led to find Salvation in You, through Jesus Christ. Amen.
    I anxiously await W U? P #60.
    Blessings to each and everyone.

  • @danielaffum3420
    @danielaffum3420 3 года назад +18

    May God continues to bless and sustain you and crew. We are blessed to have you in these last days.

  • @pollylloyd5241
    @pollylloyd5241 3 года назад +19

    I so look forward to these messages each week. God is preparing His last day people! He is coming soon!

  • @arcktunerikus2131
    @arcktunerikus2131 3 года назад +2

    oh oh even if you listen to these videos many times you will never get tired

  • @RG-qn2qm
    @RG-qn2qm 3 года назад +10

    🇨🇦 lovin it from Toronto Canada

  • @isabellabarstead4552
    @isabellabarstead4552 3 года назад +10

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for clarifying this controversial subject. I have had many a heated discussions on this topic, even with my own siblings. I cannot wait for the next episode.

  • @lindachancellor7538
    @lindachancellor7538 3 года назад +13

    Amen, Thankyou for allowing the Holy Spirit to use you as a vessel to reveal what he needs for us to hear. 3 subjects that need to be understood by all. May the Holy Spirirt open our minds and hearts to hear and understand what the Spirit has to say to each of us.. Again, may the Spirit speak through you God's word and we will hear his voice speaking to us. I ask in Jesus name. Amen.

  • @Jay_bee.23
    @Jay_bee.23 3 года назад +9

    Thank you so very much for explaining the difference between being perfect from being sinless. That is definitely good news; even wonderful news! I really love to watch these discussions. I learn so much from you both & can't wait to share them. God bless you! 🙏🏼📖🕯

  • @bellarees3817
    @bellarees3817 3 года назад +3

    tremendously blessed with these programs. God bless what's up Prof? God bless

  • @johnsonl5111
    @johnsonl5111 3 года назад +13

    Love your lecture. Thank Jesus Christ for brother.. Hi from Hawaii.

  • @francisjanssen8013
    @francisjanssen8013 3 года назад +1

    Thank you thank you again for a magnificent lesson so much research you had to do to bring us this chapter may God be with you strength and you give you wisdom and keep up the good work for us really appreciate what you do to bring the truth of God to me and to so many Walter you are a true God of man Martin the same to you thank you you too young men for what you do Francis New Zealand

  • @idalinafernandes1758
    @idalinafernandes1758 3 года назад +2

    Thank you so much, God Bless 🙏

  • @esther-louisabarnett-kraus5690
    @esther-louisabarnett-kraus5690 3 года назад +7

    Good morning looking forward to 2 am 😀

  • @sweetheartofs79
    @sweetheartofs79 3 года назад +17

    Looking forward to this episode.
    I pray for the Holy Spirit on u both and to all who listens that our souls be nourished . Colton,California

  • @justjoan5935
    @justjoan5935 3 года назад +25

    Shared the last one and can’t wait for this new talk:). God bless you always from Australia 🙏🏻🇦🇺

  • @lgsadler9293
    @lgsadler9293 3 года назад +3

    Amen 🕊️
    Thank you for this wonderful study, Walter and Martin. It seems to me that if the predestination doctrine were true, the Holy Scriptures would be unnecessary. 🤷

  • @jasperlazarus77
    @jasperlazarus77 3 года назад +14

    As always it is a blessing to watch these episodes...

  • @seraravasua4130
    @seraravasua4130 2 года назад

    God is Good.. thank you Dr Veith and Martin..Watching from Fiji

  • @jamescaley8142
    @jamescaley8142 3 года назад +7

    Thankyou. Well explained.

  • @pemphojimu
    @pemphojimu 3 года назад +12

    Just on time , Glory to God. We look forward To a New episode brothers.

  • @dollmm23
    @dollmm23 3 года назад +12

    Waiting anxiously for the next episode on Christian perfection. Greetings from Florida 🏝 USA 🇺🇸 .

  • @mariannevales448
    @mariannevales448 3 года назад +30

    I am always waiting for the next topic. Amen thank you jesus thank pastor and brothers in christ.

  • @rickdillhoff8982
    @rickdillhoff8982 3 года назад +6

    What an absolutely awesome message, Walter.

  • @caiaphersmulenga76
    @caiaphersmulenga76 3 года назад +3

    The world is gonna be shaking of Jesus Christ s return,we need to hold the faith and preach to others in every work places and schools,etc

  • @user-kz4tj5pl9x
    @user-kz4tj5pl9x 9 месяцев назад

    Glory to God for such excellent bible teachers and their team of talented crew may God bless you all and greetings from northern california

  • @jovaniaumutoni8836
    @jovaniaumutoni8836 3 года назад +2

    God bless you

  • @rickdillhoff8982
    @rickdillhoff8982 3 года назад +2

    Most Christians automatically assume that works refer to to acts of charity and kindness, the book of Hebrews chapter 11 suggests an exercise of faith. Both are essential to growth and trust in Christ.

  • @cecilialeonora9430
    @cecilialeonora9430 3 года назад +8

    Always looking forward to each episode! Glory to God for using you both to give light to the world. I have been sharing your video even if those people that I shared to doesn’t respond, I believe God will someday touch their hearts and be convicted. God bless you two!!

  • @JL-ze9qp
    @JL-ze9qp 3 года назад +12

    I really enjoy these presentations.🙂 Thank you for your work and for this wonderful opportunity to watch from far distances (Finland)!
    Blessings to all in these remarkable times🕊

  • @susanvanduyn2847
    @susanvanduyn2847 3 года назад +2

    God can do amazing things with those who have a willing spirit. He is the potter, we are the clay. :)

  • @angelamcentee1277
    @angelamcentee1277 3 года назад +8

    Perfect timing.

  • @LJ4511
    @LJ4511 3 года назад +2

    Amen! Thanks! I have a better understanding of this...

  • @richardhurd2716
    @richardhurd2716 Год назад

    So happy to be nothing with you. So glad to hear you uplift the gospel.

  • @christinavogstad9210
    @christinavogstad9210 Год назад

    God blessings to both of you 🙏 ❤️ our God loves your path of truth. Glory to God.

  • @hoboditch3093
    @hoboditch3093 3 года назад +1

    I have wanted to talk to Walter for 10 plus years and talk about everything he couldn't truly talk about here. He hit the basics but passed over so much. Predestination is real and so is will. This is huge and most haven't the capacity to comprehend it. And no pastor can ever touch it in public so I understand. But God will have his number and we are just too pathetic.

  • @PC-dc1kv
    @PC-dc1kv 3 года назад +19

    Looking forward to this in Daviess County, Kentucky, USA 🇺🇸

  • @shirleymccowan7402
    @shirleymccowan7402 3 года назад +1

    Thank you two for your hard work and attention to details and communicating the facts.

  • @kingmufasa8929
    @kingmufasa8929 3 года назад +11

    This is going to be interesting as always😊

  • @aarifmorg870
    @aarifmorg870 2 года назад +2

    God is love.

  • @mphil8433
    @mphil8433 3 года назад +2

    Wonderful!

  • @jamie_spideyboy5405
    @jamie_spideyboy5405 3 года назад +2

    Thank u

  • @sarracene
    @sarracene 3 года назад +1

    from the comment talked about between the 2 of them after the 33:00 mark, what came to mind is a sop quote that's meant to imply 'being a Christian isn't the hardest thing in this world, but rather, being temperate in all things' (can't really point to where it's found, but e.g.w. did write a lot about temperance)..

  • @KeithLeather
    @KeithLeather 3 года назад +7

    Amen and Amen 🙏

  • @joshuaperry4642
    @joshuaperry4642 3 года назад +2

    amen
    hallelulia

  • @slong835
    @slong835 3 года назад +4

    I wish these were in the evenings!!

  • @jimmyers1630
    @jimmyers1630 3 года назад +9

    Waiting and looking for episode 59

  • @sarracene
    @sarracene 3 года назад +1

    @ the 1:02:00 mark, when mentioning the ephesians 5 passage, it reminded me of what my dad would preach on, where he would mention that
    'God is looking for a washed & ironed church'-)

  • @RobertDinkins
    @RobertDinkins 3 года назад +2

    Amen

  • @davidpaul2914
    @davidpaul2914 3 года назад +6

    Always use decernment of the Holy Spirt regardless of how lovely it sounds, trust in Jesus not man we are fallen Jesus has risen, salvation is only through Jesus . Revelation 12:17

  • @Prophecyhelps101com
    @Prophecyhelps101com 3 года назад +1

    When discussing Christian perfection I like to bring up Mar_4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear, and also Mat_13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
    Perfection in God's sight is relative to our stage of spiritual growth. We don't cast off our baby because it dirties its diaper, because we love our child, and we know it will outgrow that behavior. If God is our Father, and He is, then He loves us and wants to save us more than we even want to be saved! Cheers!

  • @raven314
    @raven314 3 года назад +4

    let us have unity (not uniformity) ... all discussion should be in true love for each other ... leaving conviction of sin and condemnation to the HS.

  • @pilgrim5217
    @pilgrim5217 3 года назад +1

    starting a new job soon and looking forward to Joining !!!

  • @Ben-vq2fp
    @Ben-vq2fp 3 года назад +2

    Romans 13:10
    King James Version
    10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

  • @nicolemauzard4069
    @nicolemauzard4069 3 года назад +2

    Isn't there a difference between predestination and foreknowledge?

  • @carolinemcgreal2382
    @carolinemcgreal2382 3 года назад +1

    Thank you bothers for sharing. Remember; obedience to the Fathers & the Sons Commandments/Instructions/Laws/the Word which is (Torah) obedience is the Fruit of True Faith, and Not the root of true Faith, and will bring blessings.