A quick note if people didn't know. Fel Leather is useable for non-leatherworkers. You just dont get the 3 set bonus which is increased dodge rating. Nobody cares about dodge anyways. GL in TBC!
Great video man, Request for a future video would be a list of quests and where to find them for some of that Pre-raid BIS gear for the more casual players who don’t have the time to research the set and also where to find them. Just a suggestion! Great vid!
I just dinged 70 with my rogue and looking to gear up. I made some calculations and the aldor rep sword would cost me a total of 1300-1500G (rep items + the sword) depending of the current price of marks of saregas. What's your opinion is it really worth to spend 1.5k G on it specially now that phase 2 is starting soon. Or should I just get Lators and try to upgrade them to better ones skipping the aldor rep sword?
The way a lot of people look at it is that you were going for exalted anyway to get the shoulder enchant. So it is not much more to just buy the sword after.
Hi, Serious thing to explore concerning weapons : Drakefist is potentialy thé BEST for phase 1. If u go for latro OH, i heard u have to spec with 5 in mace and 5 in sword. I found a gréât OH (blackout truncheon) isnt better than latro with drakefist and save 5 talents by going mace only? Is thé proc worth accumulate with drakefist proc? Thx
You dont have the revered shoulders from nagrand rep (horde&alli), arent they best option before wastewalker? Or atleast easiest to get, can have them before 70 if you rly want em.
Wish you did a PvP version. I have several questions: - How bad is it to just go the full pvp gearing route? - I don't really wanna do attunement stuff like Karazhan, am I gonna be at a disadvantage doing arenas?
@@Zatar Thing is, I play on Korean server and they have weird rules here. For example there is no rolling / DKP in raids, everything is bought with gold, so its like an auction. I can never imagine having enough gold for glaives LOL
You said rogues should aim at 17% or 240 hit. Does this not count for pre raid gear? I have most items from either first or second row and Im at 240 hit. I put hit in most sockets.
Hey Zatar, thank you for your help with all these videos. I recently got the tunic of assassination to drop and I have the handgrips. I was wondering if the 2 piece set bonus is good enough to wear the tunic?
@@Zatar Thank you a lot for the fast answer. The other chest I have is the one from Kelidan. I tried the assassination set in Mechanar and it felt good on trash as you say but since bosses are immune to cheap shot and kidney shot it waas ineffective against them. Is it more a pvp set then?
On the beta it was kinda rough, cause people keep saying rogue sucks and people avoided rogue. I think it will be better on live. We will see. It's always pretty easy if you make the group yourself.
Wait a minute shouldn't Scimitar of the Nexus-Stalkers be there as a decent offhand sword? it's better than Grand Marshall Swift Blade from Classic and drops drop Mana Tombs
Hey dude can you explain me why skulkers greaves are so good ? When slotted with 3 x 16 ap gems you will have Like 6-10 ( didnt do the math exactly ) more compared to netherblade but with a loss of 12 stamina... I See the advantage for pve but for PvP... I dont know... Thanks! Like + follow
If you have much better daggers then the sword alternative you can play daggers optimally. You can also just play daggers if you have more fun that way and they will a little bit worse then other equivalent weapons.
You can maintain the four set bonus so long as you are not selecting bonescythe over other options that are tiers above bonescythe. Basically if you miss out on a small upgrade on one or two pieces, you can keep using bonescythe. If you are significantly downgrading multiple slots, it's not worth it.
When I quested through nagrand I did not hit revered. If you're able to hit revered through normal questing it's a great option, but I do not think it is worth farming a bunch of beads as in early game priority.
The weapons. I would check the full bis list in the description if you want see how everything stacks up. If you don't see an item shown, it means it is worse than every item on the list.
Engineering goggles are not available until Phase 2. I did not talk about Primalstrike because you have to run heroic dungeons to craft it. Feel free to check out my full Phase 1 best in slot guide if you want to see how it stacks up.
@@jarlfisk theres a few, id suggest BEM at the anger camps. There are mobs there that can also drop uncharged apex items. The uncharged badge is druid tank bis trinket for majority of tbc
I will play with daggers in world pvp, and sword in pve. Rogue without daggers is not rogue. Especially in pvp environment. Especially in world pvp, which is the best!
I added a few more daggers, but I don't plan to make a separate page just for daggers, because right now you are able to see how daggers compare to the other weapon types.
I added this belt to the gear set: tbc.wowhead.com/item=31464/naaru-belt-of-precision
definitely worth getting if you are not scryer.
You're A Real Awesome Guy Man
Nice profile picture, Redmoss. I'm a big spongebob fan myself.
I already had my eye on a lot of this gear, but this is exactly what I was looking for! You explained everything very well. 👍🏼
It's weird it's been almost 2 years since I watched your video for pre raid BIS for classic. I'm glad you're still making videos
A quick note if people didn't know.
Fel Leather is useable for non-leatherworkers.
You just dont get the 3 set bonus which is increased dodge rating. Nobody cares about dodge anyways.
GL in TBC!
Love you dude
Great video man, Request for a future video would be a list of quests and where to find them for some of that Pre-raid BIS gear for the more casual players who don’t have the time to research the set and also where to find them. Just a suggestion! Great vid!
If you follow the page in the description, all of the items link to wowhead.
Been watching your vids since I spawned into the Valley of Trials. True legend :)
I don't plan on rolling a rogue but I love the content!
Thank you for this!
I just dinged 70 with my rogue and looking to gear up. I made some calculations and the aldor rep sword would cost me a total of 1300-1500G (rep items + the sword) depending of the current price of marks of saregas. What's your opinion is it really worth to spend 1.5k G on it specially now that phase 2 is starting soon. Or should I just get Lators and try to upgrade them to better ones skipping the aldor rep sword?
The way a lot of people look at it is that you were going for exalted anyway to get the shoulder enchant. So it is not much more to just buy the sword after.
Still the best rogue vids, what server u play on?
Faerlina
Hi,
Serious thing to explore concerning weapons :
Drakefist is potentialy thé BEST for phase 1.
If u go for latro OH, i heard u have to spec with 5 in mace and 5 in sword.
I found a gréât OH (blackout truncheon) isnt better than latro with drakefist and save 5 talents by going mace only?
Is thé proc worth accumulate with drakefist proc? Thx
Thanks so much for this content! Can we please a get a PvP bis/easy to get video soon!
Will you take Blacksmith+JC for your rogue in phase 1 ?
You think is better rep for aldor o scryer? I think aldor but idk.
You dont have the revered shoulders from nagrand rep (horde&alli), arent they best option before wastewalker? Or atleast easiest to get, can have them before 70 if you rly want em.
Wish you did a PvP version. I have several questions:
- How bad is it to just go the full pvp gearing route?
- I don't really wanna do attunement stuff like Karazhan, am I gonna be at a disadvantage doing arenas?
Raiding will help jumpstart your gear.
Eventually it won't be a huge deal for p1. Glaives later on are really strong though.
@@Zatar Thing is, I play on Korean server and they have weird rules here. For example there is no rolling / DKP in raids, everything is bought with gold, so its like an auction. I can never imagine having enough gold for glaives LOL
It's crazy how strong classic raid items still are early in TBC.
why does thrallmar vendor not sell opportunist gloves?
You said rogues should aim at 17% or 240 hit. Does this not count for pre raid gear? I have most items from either first or second row and Im at 240 hit. I put hit in most sockets.
Hey Zatar, thank you for your help with all these videos. I recently got the tunic of assassination to drop and I have the handgrips. I was wondering if the 2 piece set bonus is good enough to wear the tunic?
It depends on your chest, but it's a decent set for dungeons and trash in raids, but the bonus is not as impact on bosses.
@@Zatar Thank you a lot for the fast answer. The other chest I have is the one from Kelidan. I tried the assassination set in Mechanar and it felt good on trash as you say but since bosses are immune to cheap shot and kidney shot it waas ineffective against them. Is it more a pvp set then?
Wow these videos are great my dude!
Do you think pugging as a Rogue will be difficult? I have a raid spot, just worried about heroics.
On the beta it was kinda rough, cause people keep saying rogue sucks and people avoided rogue. I think it will be better on live.
We will see. It's always pretty easy if you make the group yourself.
back in the day it was easy to get groups with druid/warrior tanks, aka groups that need CC
I think since we got sap it should be okay unless people jump on the rogues suck at all wagon....
U can also now get the other later outta mgt and I recommend you do before raiding
Wait a minute shouldn't Scimitar of the Nexus-Stalkers be there as a decent offhand sword? it's better than Grand Marshall Swift Blade from Classic and drops drop Mana Tombs
Latros black morass normal >
I love your videos man, thank you
Hey dude can you explain me why skulkers greaves are so good ? When slotted with 3 x 16 ap gems you will have Like 6-10 ( didnt do the math exactly ) more compared to netherblade but with a loss of 12 stamina... I See the advantage for pve but for PvP... I dont know...
Thanks!
Like + follow
Which meta socket is best to put on helm of the claw?
Is there ANY good weapons (pref sword) MH for Rogue between 61-69?
What chair are you using bro
How is Latro's Dancing Blade for a main hand? Especially paired with the Latros' OH
It's great, but it does not come out until Phase 5
what would you say is an equivelent channel like yours but to warriors instead of rogues
Thanks for the amazing work 👏🏼
Great!
So are daggers just not good in TBC for raiding?
If you have much better daggers then the sword alternative you can play daggers optimally.
You can also just play daggers if you have more fun that way and they will a little bit worse then other equivalent weapons.
at what point would you say its worth it replacing the t3 4 piece bonus>?
Almost immediately
@@Zatar oh, i though it was strong ! guess not time to replace legs and belt then
thanks so much for these guides
How do you think dual wield MSA will do?
It is really bad to have a slow off hand in TBC
This video is God tier. Thanks!
so full bonescythe is replaced by these options?
Yes, if bonescythe is ever missing on any of the pages, it's because it was worse than every option shown.
@@Zatar u dont factor in the 4 pc set bonus for bonescythe? i see it on all the pages but its not on the top
You can maintain the four set bonus so long as you are not selecting bonescythe over other options that are tiers above bonescythe.
Basically if you miss out on a small upgrade on one or two pieces, you can keep using bonescythe.
If you are significantly downgrading multiple slots, it's not worth it.
Great content, thank you
Why didn't you include Talbuk Hide Spaulders?
When I quested through nagrand I did not hit revered. If you're able to hit revered through normal questing it's a great option, but I do not think it is worth farming a bunch of beads as in early game priority.
are there any battleground 70 pieces of stuff that can be ok for pre-raid ?
The weapons. I would check the full bis list in the description if you want see how everything stacks up. If you don't see an item shown, it means it is worse than every item on the list.
I want to use daggers in tbc, is it worth it to get the rank 14 daggers?
It can speed up leveling, but you can get better at 70.
You can farm Mark of Thrammal in hellfire and turn it to red gem with 14+ attack or 8+ spell dmg
best leveling spec and then fresh 70 farming gear spec?
What did you go for? Scryor or aldor?
Aldor gives you the option to make a sword and has a slightly better shoulder enchant.
what about the LW stuff? and no mention of ENG goggles?
Engineering goggles are not available until Phase 2.
I did not talk about Primalstrike because you have to run heroic dungeons to craft it.
Feel free to check out my full Phase 1 best in slot guide if you want to see how it stacks up.
@@Zatar got it thank you!
No mention of Latro's Dancing Blade?
Not out till p5
@@Zatar Oooo so magisters terrace isn't out yet
Comes out with sunwell
Loving this!
Off hands: The black smith sword isnt good?
Its too slow, and if you were to go blacksmithing, the Mace is much better.
Just dinged 70 and I'm shocked at how many of these I have. Also got Lato's on my first run
Is HoJ not good at 70 anymore ?
Not as good as level 70 trinkets
I grinded Aldor rep back in the original classic. Had the rep and sword at 70 ding. Key was skipping world quests and staying in 1 spot.
Staying in one spot ?
@@jarlfisk farming marks lol or fel armaments
@@jebus7x7 what spot ?
@@jarlfisk theres a few, id suggest BEM at the anger camps. There are mobs there that can also drop uncharged apex items. The uncharged badge is druid tank bis trinket for majority of tbc
@@jebus7x7 what and where is Bem and anger camp
How about
Wastewalker Shoulderpads? Nice vids, btw!
They drop in a heroic dungeon. They are part of my bis gear video, but they not necessarily super easy to get for a fresh 70.
Thanks !
was hoping to find an easy upgrade for the lvl 60 warlord weapons... seems they are rly not that easy to find :C oh wel.. aldor rep grinding it is :>
No mention of Fireguard and Blazeguard, they're that bad? :o
If you're going to go blacksmithing you should get the mace, because both those swords are worse than latros.
I will play with daggers in world pvp, and sword in pve. Rogue without daggers is not rogue. Especially in pvp environment. Especially in world pvp, which is the best!
They changed a lot of agi gear to better suit hunter stats as their agi to ap ratio changed
got lucky with latros. got it first run.
pls some love for dagger rogues ! add pre bis/ bis daggers mh/oh pls
I added a few more daggers, but I don't plan to make a separate page just for daggers, because right now you are able to see how daggers compare to the other weapon types.
I wish i watched this sooner lol
I got latros first try
And THIS is what’s wrong with WoW, it’s all become about the end game not the journey.