Zatar you’re the man! I really appreciate all your gearing guides and bis item guides! Talk about saving time and taking a lot of the fear of the unknown out of TBC raiding. I share you’re channel with all my rogue friends! Amazed you don’t have 100k+ subs! Your content is quality stuff! Cheers bro!
Awesome stuff Zatar, super informative. for a newbie at TBC it'd be good to see what raids/crafting ways I'm able to get these items, So I'd know how to correctly prepare and what raids/bosses/proffession to prioritize if I can only get a few per week. I think with nice Visuals on these spreadsheet/lists you'd have the best rogue gearing content on this platform.
Everything in this list was from raids in tier 4, meaning the raids karazhan, gruul's lair, and Magtheridon's lair. In the videos I always link to a page listing out all the items. All of those items are linked to wowhead, so if you want more information on a particular item you can just click it.
Hey Zatar, what spreadsheets do you recommend for simulating dps? BiS lists such as this are important and useful, but there's still intermediate upgrades between vanilla classic raid BiS and TBC classic raid BiS. I downloaded the Simonize spreadsheet but it doesn't have some of the convenient features I liked out of the Garcia spreadsheet in Vanilla classic. Are there any other good TBC DPS/gear spreadsheets out there?
Hey zatar! I hope TBC is treating u well :) I have a quick question about weps. My first kara run i got my hands on both fools bane and malchezaar from prince. Currently aiming for spitblade ofc, but what should i use during the time i wait for sword? Got latros in OH atm, dagger feels pretty stronk
Do we know if they have the DR implemented into haste for classic though? It runs down the value of dst a bit but if we dont you can stack pure haste and break the gcd
All the " bad " gear that you stated are actually the pieces that should provide you with stamina when you enter P1 raids and HM, some boss have an amount of HP that is required you cannot do magtheridon with green items like the shit you showed you'll get one shotted at the 30% HP phase for exemple
I don't think the caveat for Romulus Poison Vial will matter in most cases at all. Back in the day I found myself gemming for hit all the time pretty much so hitting the hitcap without having used any hitgems will be rare if it ever happens.
Hello, I have just started folloeing your videos since I am playing to play a rogur in Tbc, never played tbc before. My issue is that I am planning on doing bith pve and pvp but i am confused since i need two different specs. Is there a middle one that cand do good in both situations ?
@stoian Gabriel people are pretty intense these days in classic, and most people who raid will expect you to be in a full raid spec, and that is usually bad for PVP. Mutilate is probably the best spec so you can pick that would be decent in both PVP and PVE.
Unless I'm mistaken, agility gems are nearly identically-good as hit gems in T4 gearing levels - so overcapping with Romulo's isn't a meaningful issue as you can just as happily swap some yellows for reds. I'm also not expecting it to be super expensive given how much ore will be in circulation from rogue/druid alts solo-mining dungeons. If I have any reason to think DST will be going to other classes/players first, I'll be looking to pick up Romulo's pretty highly. Fortunately the only real competition will probably be prot warriors.
as an example, romulo's is less than 1 dps less than bloodlust brooch in the Simon spreadsheet, but you end up losing ~ 2 dps per gem you have to swap, and with 35 hit rating added, that would result in an additional 8 dps lost.
@@Zatar Fair enough, sounds like my premise about gem value was incorrect. Presumably Romulo's is at least 8 dps better than 3rd-bis (for those who don't have access to DST yet) but I understand the category you placed it in, now.
Thanks for all of the detailed videos! They have been super helpful. Have you talked about Aldor vs Scryer in any of your videos? I'm not sure which to pick, mostly planning on pvping.
@@Zatar Would you recommend buying it for like 2-3 k from someone? Have just finished my kara attunement, currently have edge of the cosmos in main hand.
It depends on how much gold you have, what other things you want to buy, and whether or not your current raiding. I have heard multiple people say it's a very fun weapon though due to the high proc chance.
for pvp you'd want skulker's greaves, the phase1 bis rings and if you don't have dragonmaw, spiteblade. perhaps gronn-stitched girdle if you want to gear very offensively for something like 5s or 2s as SPR. getting the cloak off aran or mag is also decent but you can use the cloak from badges of justice and not lose too much.
I think when you know what is bis, it can make getting weaker items Less Fun, but I think it makes big items feel even more rewarding to get. Achieving full best in slot for a phase is a great feeling.
I'm a quick example, i was gearing myself up by pure knowledge and came across this and found out i was doing the right thing so i decided to keep following the BiS and i'm only 2 items away to be full BiS. It's almost like setting up a goal you'll obviously get some reward from it.
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I wish there was a channel as dedicated as yours for warriors . Rogue mains are so lucky you exist.
Uh, warriors have fight club. Literally the best resource for any class
remember when 4chan put their collective power into finding shia lebouf's flag? thats the warrior discord for finding out how to do the most dmg
Discord?
i read this comment and then went to his stream, hes playing a warrior lmao
Except he speaks nonsense sometimes, but mistakes will make him improve.
Good job, bud, keep it up!
Zatar you’re the man! I really appreciate all your gearing guides and bis item guides! Talk about saving time and taking a lot of the fear of the unknown out of TBC raiding. I share you’re channel with all my rogue friends! Amazed you don’t have 100k+ subs! Your content is quality stuff! Cheers bro!
pretty much bout to start raiding hit 70 and i started playing a month ago . You def put a lot of effort in your vids and i appreciate it.
Ty for all you're doing for the rogue player. You are the real best in slot👌
As soon as I saw DST in the thumbnail I laughed out loud cause there’s like 50 other fotm hunters rolling against you for it. Good luck
Got my edgewalker longboots last night. A very nice warrior won the roll but gave them to me.
Awesome stuff Zatar, super informative. for a newbie at TBC it'd be good to see what raids/crafting ways I'm able to get these items, So I'd know how to correctly prepare and what raids/bosses/proffession to prioritize if I can only get a few per week. I think with nice Visuals on these spreadsheet/lists you'd have the best rogue gearing content on this platform.
Everything in this list was from raids in tier 4, meaning the raids karazhan, gruul's lair, and Magtheridon's lair.
In the videos I always link to a page listing out all the items. All of those items are linked to wowhead, so if you want more information on a particular item you can just click it.
Wish there was a channel like yours but for warriors. Really enjoyed your content as I made a rogue late in classic, but will be maining warr in TBC.
Hey Zatar, what spreadsheets do you recommend for simulating dps? BiS lists such as this are important and useful, but there's still intermediate upgrades between vanilla classic raid BiS and TBC classic raid BiS. I downloaded the Simonize spreadsheet but it doesn't have some of the convenient features I liked out of the Garcia spreadsheet in Vanilla classic. Are there any other good TBC DPS/gear spreadsheets out there?
Simon is the best right now
Hey zatar!
I hope TBC is treating u well :)
I have a quick question about weps.
My first kara run i got my hands on both fools bane and malchezaar from prince. Currently aiming for spitblade ofc, but what should i use during the time i wait for sword? Got latros in OH atm, dagger feels pretty stronk
Great video, as always. Thanks!
Do we know if they have the DR implemented into haste for classic though? It runs down the value of dst a bit but if we dont you can stack pure haste and break the gcd
would it be worth replacing THC with Malchazeen for the OH while you get a latro's ?
All the " bad " gear that you stated are actually the pieces that should provide you with stamina when you enter P1 raids and HM, some boss have an amount of HP that is required you cannot do magtheridon with green items like the shit you showed you'll get one shotted at the 30% HP phase for exemple
I don't think the caveat for Romulus Poison Vial will matter in most cases at all. Back in the day I found myself gemming for hit all the time pretty much so hitting the hitcap without having used any hitgems will be rare if it ever happens.
Hey guys! One question:
For off hands Is latro's better than Malchazeen (dagger from Karazan)?
Main hand: Vindicator's Brand
Latros is better
Hello, I have just started folloeing your videos since I am playing to play a rogur in Tbc, never played tbc before. My issue is that I am planning on doing bith pve and pvp but i am confused since i need two different specs. Is there a middle one that cand do good in both situations ?
not really. just pay the 50g to respec when you need to, gold isn't that hard to get in TBC
@stoian Gabriel people are pretty intense these days in classic, and most people who raid will expect you to be in a full raid spec, and that is usually bad for PVP.
Mutilate is probably the best spec so you can pick that would be decent in both PVP and PVE.
Thanks man I enjoyed these series back in classic
Unless I'm mistaken, agility gems are nearly identically-good as hit gems in T4 gearing levels - so overcapping with Romulo's isn't a meaningful issue as you can just as happily swap some yellows for reds. I'm also not expecting it to be super expensive given how much ore will be in circulation from rogue/druid alts solo-mining dungeons. If I have any reason to think DST will be going to other classes/players first, I'll be looking to pick up Romulo's pretty highly. Fortunately the only real competition will probably be prot warriors.
There is a decent difference between 8 hit gems and 8 agi gem, depending on your exact gear. Yellow gems would be 15-25% stronger
as an example, romulo's is less than 1 dps less than bloodlust brooch in the Simon spreadsheet, but you end up losing ~ 2 dps per gem you have to swap, and with 35 hit rating added, that would result in an additional 8 dps lost.
@@Zatar Fair enough, sounds like my premise about gem value was incorrect. Presumably Romulo's is at least 8 dps better than 3rd-bis (for those who don't have access to DST yet) but I understand the category you placed it in, now.
@@Zatar you'll never run into having to re gem this early
@numberpurple if you gem all hit, even following socket bonuses, in tier 4 bis you will have more than the hit cap.
Would Romulus poison vial be good to get if you plan on gemming ur gear for pvp but still raiding with a guild ?
In that situation it would increase your damage about as much as bloodless brooch on average.
great content, subbed.
awesome video!
Once I craft the Dragonmaw mace, am I to play mace spec over sword spec?
You actually will put points into both mace spec and swords spec. 5/5 each.
@@Zatar do you have a build you could link?
thoughts on the Figurine - Shadowsong Panther?
Good for pvp, meh for pve
Amazing video!
chill that's a hunter trinket
Thanks for all of the detailed videos! They have been super helpful. Have you talked about Aldor vs Scryer in any of your videos? I'm not sure which to pick, mostly planning on pvping.
do u gem atk power or agility? does it vary among phases?
Hit til cap (on 72 enemies) in pve, then agi. AP in pvp.
@@Zatar whats the expertise and hit cap rating at?
orc rogue vs undead? which is better for pve and pvp
Orc is better in PVE, Undead is better in PvP
I dont understand how blinkstrike is supposed to be as good as spiteblade. it has way less dps and worse stats
The proc is really good
@@Zatar Would you recommend buying it for like 2-3 k from someone? Have just finished my kara attunement, currently have edge of the cosmos in main hand.
It depends on how much gold you have, what other things you want to buy, and whether or not your current raiding. I have heard multiple people say it's a very fun weapon though due to the high proc chance.
@@Zatar ok ty for the input
@@Zatar Now I just got Spiteblade and sold my Blink. Now I read everywhere that for pve Spiteblade is inferior to Blinkstrike.
great video
Lucky to have you
thanks for the videos mayne. I do not really get why some of these items are supposedly better/worse tho ._.
Thanks for the video Zatar, will you be doing an equivalent video but for pvp?
for pvp you'd want skulker's greaves, the phase1 bis rings and if you don't have dragonmaw, spiteblade.
perhaps gronn-stitched girdle if you want to gear very offensively for something like 5s or 2s as SPR.
getting the cloak off aran or mag is also decent but you can use the cloak from badges of justice and not lose too much.
@wealthysaver, check my PVP gearing guide for now, might do a priority video in the future.
i would definitely want to see that
What kind of hit rating do you want? 250?
300
hairs lookin good bro
Im sure the Hunters will care regarding the trinket xD
Romulos poison vial is pretty shit. Proccs very rarely
Nice video the only problem here is rogues are not brought into raids in tbc including my t3 rogue aswell ripperonis 🤣
If any guilds are giving DST to rogues they are fucking trolling. That item is rare as fuck and rogues are useless until glaives. Good video though :)
I mean if Thier hunters have it. It's not a bad place to put a DST.
Stack up on hit then once BT come out do armor pen.
Dude is Memeing, DST is obv BiS for mages.
Hunters are the ones who disliked
MvP nah MvI's
Hqrdcore guilds dont take rogues til sunwell tho so.... better reroll ranged/caster
Sadly, these BIS videos are why classic will never be fun. You all ruin the game.
I think when you know what is bis, it can make getting weaker items Less Fun, but I think it makes big items feel even more rewarding to get.
Achieving full best in slot for a phase is a great feeling.
Let's be real, most ppl who follow BiS lists..will most probably never complete Thier BiS.
@sean which is why it's especially fun when you do complete it.
I'm a quick example, i was gearing myself up by pure knowledge and came across this and found out i was doing the right thing so i decided to keep following the BiS and i'm only 2 items away to be full BiS. It's almost like setting up a goal you'll obviously get some reward from it.
you will never it