Some fragment of Malcador's soul? Perhaps, but we must remember that Malcador's entire essence, body and soul, was sacrificed to keep the Golden Throne running when the Emperor went off to fight Horus. It's a badass idea, yeah. But with the way the Golden Throne works, I just don't think it's possible. What I DO think is quite possible though, is that the original Cypher may in fact have been given his task BY Malcador himself. The whole plan sounds like some contingency that Malcador would've left as a last resort in case he was no longer around to help, and the Emperor was stuck on the throne.
@@EarthenGames that Sanguinius theory is a pretty convincing one tbh. I hope that when The End And The Death Volume 2 comes out, it’s confirmed to be true. It would be an immensely interesting foil for the Blood Angels, in that their father did, inevitably fall to the Black Rage as they all will at some point, BUT, they still resist it 10,000 years later. It’d make the tragedy of the Blood Angels much more convincing to a lot of people who are bored of them. Like me. It’d give Sanguinius and the Blood Angels a sense of fallibility that would make them more compelling than the oh-so-nobleright and perfect Astartes they are now. With the way the Blood Angels are so often written, the Red Thirst and the Black Rage are almost afterthoughts. I often FORGET those things are a part of the Blood Angels because they seem to have so little difficulty resisting it. And that level of tragedy where the sons inherit the weakness of their father, that would add something more to the Blood Angels that I, as an Iron Hands fan, could identify with more.
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Devastation of Baal and Dante show how bad the thirst and black rage are. Its been a while since i read older BA books but the new ones show how hard it is for them
Okay, I know we're all excited to know who cypher really is but imagine if the lion meets him goes like I really like what you are doing. Keep doing what you're doing and then just never acknowledges it ever again doesn't even announce who he actually is. He would be funny kind of infuriating.
I like the idea that it’s an alpha legion primarch/Demi Primarch , that has been undercover in the dark angels since before the heresy, and it just went all in on the dark angels, eventually becoming cypher
I really hope it's zahariel as he is a cool character before he was corrupted and while he fell to chaos I believe he wasn't mutated so could be attempting to redeem himself, remembering his promise to the watchers of the dark. He was the first one to talk to the watchers and promised to fight chaos and he once talked to the emperor
@@boartankit’s possible that he was wearing some type of “soul gem” or something and his soul/ consciousness is still in it. i think the only primarch that really is dead dead is horus but that could potentially change in the last siege of terra book
It makes a lot of sense that is omegon acording to alpharius Lore: -Alpharius was raised in secret by malcador -alpharius first job in the crusade was to infiltrate the dark Angels -alpharius swiched places with omegon when omegon was founded.
Very unlikely for many many reasons. First and most importantly, the Res Whisper has been with his brothers for some time, and he doesn't carry the Sword. Plus he doesn't use the iconic weapons of Cypher. Definitely isn't him.
Cypher is one of the forgotten Primarchs. He keeps hopping from body to body. Each Primarch son of the Emperor of mankind has a special power. And I bet this is his: to transfer himself into a new being upon death.
She is an elite member of the Dark Angels chosen by The Lion as a top secret agent to carry out tasks even the emperor thought impossible. She was kept secret from the legion so as not to make them feel incompetent or create fear they would be replaced.
Idk, in Pandorax the greater reacted to Epimethius (one of the original eight Grey Knight Grand Masters) saying that he wasn’t supposed to be the Dark Angel that became Epimethius. Which could mean Zahariel is Epi but that’s just my head canon and idk if I want Zahariel to be him due to what Abaddon did to him at the end of the book. But it makes you wonder whose place he took when he became a grey knight.
What if Zahariel loses his duel with Corswain and about to be struck down by the paladin, to only use his warp magic’s to save himself by stealing Corswain’s soul. However, with how Caliban is being destroyed by chaos it messes with the spell, and Zahariel and Corswain’s bodies fuses into one being, Cipher.
Or Cypher is a gestalt being and the most recent 'addition' to the collective has the greatest control, a lot like a certain Slaneeshi Champion takes over the bodies of those who kill him and feel pride in their accomplishment.
To be fair, in the end and the death, Zahariel is very anti chaos and is at least partially responsible for the saving of the imperium as he sees the imperium as necessary. He more just wants caliban independent. But he does get seriously injured by Typhus.
Space Marine prioritizing the life of a Primarch over the populations of several worlds sounds more like Astartes SOP than playing both sides, honestly.
@@enderknight39 You never know with the Alpha Legion. It's surviving Primarch probably isn't sure who he is. ;^) For what it's worth, I remember an Omegon POV chapter when he actually felt the death of his brother.
I'm still convinced it's Omegon. It would explain how he's been alive for so long and why he's so powerful and why nobody can catch him. If anybody can evade the Imperium and Choas for multiple millennia it would be the Alpha Legion Primarch. My fanon is that Corswain died killing Zahariel and Omegon took his armor and the mantle of Cypher to further his own plans and using the name Cypher to draw attention so that people will be too focused on him to pay attention to what else is happening in the area is definitely an Alpha Legion thing to do.
Ok ok, but Zahariel once promised to fight chaos wherever he found it to the watchers, and in cypher: lord of yhe fallen hes described as half in the dark half in thr light. Corswainn was anti chaos entirely, and would just join the imperium and never help chaos. Maybe the watchers purged the chaos from him, saving him to keep the promise. Or the two merged in the warp
I used to think it was Holguin as he was the last guy we saw with the broken Lion Sword. We knew he and some of his Deathwing left Lion in a huff and went to Terra. But that doesn't explain what we saw in the End and the Death. Corswain? I thought he survived the Heresy and went on to become the first Supreme Grand Master? SO many questions - Trinity said it best : Damn you CYPHER !
Omegon infiltrated the imperial palace and could have killed the emporer once and now that cypher has also done the same thing seems like he could be omegon since they both use green armor and are mysterious
Oh man I hope it’s zahariel that would be an amazing redemption story but at the same time I’ve only just finished reading fallen angels so I don’t know how badly corrupted he got in the end
If Cypher isn't Omegon I'm gonna riot
This is a lie
Don't you realize being Riot is also attract The Blood God too?
Thats on god
Cypher is the fourth Alpharius sibling.
@@Techpriest_Skitarii4935blooooodddd…. blodddd… blood.. BLOOD. BLOOOOODDDD. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Cypher is The Lion going on his new forest walks.
Foilrak told me.
Foilrak is foilrak tho
@@thedyingmeme6 or is he Alapharius?
@@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 no, he's omegon..
@@daltonevans3412 or is he a shard of the emperor?
Mysterious old fella eh?
@@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 sometimes you don't think it be like it is but it do..
Malcador came back as cypher
Some fragment of Malcador's soul? Perhaps, but we must remember that Malcador's entire essence, body and soul, was sacrificed to keep the Golden Throne running when the Emperor went off to fight Horus. It's a badass idea, yeah. But with the way the Golden Throne works, I just don't think it's possible. What I DO think is quite possible though, is that the original Cypher may in fact have been given his task BY Malcador himself. The whole plan sounds like some contingency that Malcador would've left as a last resort in case he was no longer around to help, and the Emperor was stuck on the throne.
@@EarthenGames that Sanguinius theory is a pretty convincing one tbh. I hope that when The End And The Death Volume 2 comes out, it’s confirmed to be true. It would be an immensely interesting foil for the Blood Angels, in that their father did, inevitably fall to the Black Rage as they all will at some point, BUT, they still resist it 10,000 years later. It’d make the tragedy of the Blood Angels much more convincing to a lot of people who are bored of them. Like me. It’d give Sanguinius and the Blood Angels a sense of fallibility that would make them more compelling than the oh-so-nobleright and perfect Astartes they are now. With the way the Blood Angels are so often written, the Red Thirst and the Black Rage are almost afterthoughts. I often FORGET those things are a part of the Blood Angels because they seem to have so little difficulty resisting it. And that level of tragedy where the sons inherit the weakness of their father, that would add something more to the Blood Angels that I, as an Iron Hands fan, could identify with more.
Bro has been going to the gym
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844would be cool to see that sangy gave into the black rage to save his sons from having to go thru it
@@venerablebrothergoriate5844 Devastation of Baal and Dante show how bad the thirst and black rage are. Its been a while since i read older BA books but the new ones show how hard it is for them
If it's Corswain that'd be god tier reveal.
What if Cypher ends up being, like, some random dude we were never introduced to that has no real lore significance whatsoever.
The only problem with it being Corswain, Guilliman would have recognized him.
The way I read it, Zahariel wasn't corrupted by chaos, but rathee saw the need for balance. I could totally see him still being Cypher.
Especially with his promise to the watchers in the dark
Okay, I know we're all excited to know who cypher really is but imagine if the lion meets him goes like I really like what you are doing. Keep doing what you're doing and then just never acknowledges it ever again doesn't even announce who he actually is. He would be funny kind of infuriating.
I could see GW doing that exclusively to sell a cypher book or some shit
I REALLY want it to be omegnon, would explain why he could be such a beast fighter and the whole super elusive stuff
It would be funny if it was both. And that alpharius just was zaharial this whole time XD
@@l.a.wright6912alpha legion in so deep even they don't know who they are or who they supporting
I like the idea that it’s an alpha legion primarch/Demi Primarch , that has been undercover in the dark angels since before the heresy, and it just went all in on the dark angels, eventually becoming cypher
I really hope it's zahariel as he is a cool character before he was corrupted and while he fell to chaos I believe he wasn't mutated so could be attempting to redeem himself, remembering his promise to the watchers of the dark. He was the first one to talk to the watchers and promised to fight chaos and he once talked to the emperor
"Zahariel is fucking awesome" - Zahariel, 5/18/2023
@@sentane8031 yes. Do you disagree?
I'm right there with you brother. Zahariel is an amazing characte. I'm glad the Lion is back but fuck him for killing Nemiel.
@@beepboop9233 I don't rly hold that against Lion, it was dumb writing, it was so dumb, Lion canonically doesn't know why he did it.
@@beepboop9233 yeah agreed.
"innocent" world....bold words
.-> .. for a man on exterminatus range
Konrad Kurse is Cypher. He wasn’t murdered by the imperial assassin as a point to show his visions aren’t absolute.
My brain farted to what you said
the entire 40k fandom would simultaneously shoot themselves if it ended up being fucking Konrad. holy shit no
There's no universe he comes back. He's dead dead
@@boartankit’s possible that he was wearing some type of “soul gem” or something and his soul/ consciousness is still in it. i think the only primarch that really is dead dead is horus but that could potentially change in the last siege of terra book
My Emperor I pray not.
Many people ask who is cypher, but nobody asks how is cypher
WHEN is cypher?!
I'll do you one better, WHY IS CYPHER?
Perfection
This is true.
WHAT is Cypher?
It makes a lot of sense that is omegon acording to alpharius Lore:
-Alpharius was raised in secret by malcador
-alpharius first job in the crusade was to infiltrate the dark Angels
-alpharius swiched places with omegon when omegon was founded.
Tbh I thought that he was the fallen that wouldn’t take off his helmet in sons of the forest
Do you mean the Red Whisper? Perhaps that could be, but I highly doubted it
Very unlikely for many many reasons. First and most importantly, the Res Whisper has been with his brothers for some time, and he doesn't carry the Sword. Plus he doesn't use the iconic weapons of Cypher.
Definitely isn't him.
Now that his Primarch is awake, I'm hoping they'll get to talk, catch up and sht like that
Luther from the future seeking redemption as Cypher
Cypher is Omegon
Cypher is Alpharius
Or maybe Omegon. Or perhaps Alpharius is Omegon who is Alpharius who is Omegon who is Alpharius who is Omegon who is Cypher
No im alpharius
@@eletrictarantula2321 WE are Alpharius
This is a lie
@@moodyowlproductions4287 what?
How funny would it be if Lion meets Cypher and has no idea who he is.
He is actually the codename they use to hide what Sly Marbo's been up to.
when he mentioned Omegon, my brain always hard wired set to accept it 🤣
It should be omegon
And he like to stalk Custodes..especially that 3 who NAKED!
To be fair, who in the 40k universe HASN'T left entire worlds full of innocents to die?
Plot Twist: Corswain was always Omegon with a wig 😂
Is it as simple as he is Zahariel because he has the same belt buckle? 😂
Cypher is one of the forgotten Primarchs. He keeps hopping from body to body. Each Primarch son of the Emperor of mankind has a special power. And I bet this is his: to transfer himself into a new being upon death.
What if it's Clonegrim. Like there's absolutely no fucking shot. But imagine though
Zahariels such a good character
Agreed :)
He is.
I am Cypher, you are Cypher, we are all Cypher
Cypher"no your all not,I am, and you all know nothing of my work"
im gary
@@zealotmaster1 hello Gary
I’m Cypher and so is my wife.
That's impossible, I am Alpharius
Hopefully it is Zahariel - such a great character building in the Horus Heresy. Don't let it be for nothing in 40k!
Cypher is more of a concept then a character 🤣
For a second i thought you said "There's also an argument for Cypher being a vegan."
The only member of The Fallen to have the Alpha Legion as a fan club, I bet.
I think is more probable GW reveal one of the Lost Legions than reveal who is the real Cypher hahaha
yeah in 30 more years
Fair enough.
In actuality Guilliman has been Omegon all this time
I guess Omegon would be too interesting. We dont want to make Alpha Legion impactful in any way right? Ehh
Imperium wripe with inner conflict, Hive Fleets laugh in Tyranid.
Plot twist cypher is the lost 11th primach
There’s alot of great warhammer art but that pic of the dark angels psycher at 30 sec is crazy
Cypher no swiping! Cypher no swiping! -Newbie Dark Angle
That sped up text was “So why did he vanish”
40ks mysteries stranger just with that 40k touch
Day one of asking, what if a space marine somehow ended up in our reality
We're fucked
I would like him to be a new character honestly.
She is an elite member of the Dark Angels chosen by The Lion as a top secret agent to carry out tasks even the emperor thought impossible. She was kept secret from the legion so as not to make them feel incompetent or create fear they would be replaced.
Idk, in Pandorax the greater reacted to Epimethius (one of the original eight Grey Knight Grand Masters) saying that he wasn’t supposed to be the Dark Angel that became Epimethius. Which could mean Zahariel is Epi but that’s just my head canon and idk if I want Zahariel to be him due to what Abaddon did to him at the end of the book. But it makes you wonder whose place he took when he became a grey knight.
This guy has a lot of parties with the Alpha Legion.
his name is bob ,he lives above the west side deli
There's also reports of other people taking on Cypher's "two pistols, one sword, hood" look and claiming to be him, just to fuck things up further
You know it’s be funny if cypher is actually just some guy named cypher
What if Zahariel loses his duel with Corswain and about to be struck down by the paladin, to only use his warp magic’s to save himself by stealing Corswain’s soul. However, with how Caliban is being destroyed by chaos it messes with the spell, and Zahariel and Corswain’s bodies fuses into one being, Cipher.
Chyper ? i barely knew er'!
Or Cypher is a gestalt being and the most recent 'addition' to the collective has the greatest control, a lot like a certain Slaneeshi Champion takes over the bodies of those who kill him and feel pride in their accomplishment.
Its obviously Omegon
Alpharius: It has been me all along lmao
It's just big e he had a nuff on sitting on that silly golden chair
As it turns out, he was Alpharius all along.
I remember a theory saying Cypher was the emperor who regenerated a new body
Would be annoying if he wasn’t chaos since I bought him for my chaos army…
Cypher hidden primach conformed
Dark Angles and all will be revealed in the same sentance :-D
To be fair, in the end and the death, Zahariel is very anti chaos and is at least partially responsible for the saving of the imperium as he sees the imperium as necessary. He more just wants caliban independent. But he does get seriously injured by Typhus.
The Lion calls and Cypher will return.
Cypher being omegon would be sick but i doubt it.
He is a descendant of Sypha Belnades.
NGL, I kinda slept on the lion (and space marines in general) but you’ve got me hoping for a lion audio book soon
Space Marine prioritizing the life of a Primarch over the populations of several worlds sounds more like Astartes SOP than playing both sides, honestly.
.... its time.
We now know where Cypher disappeared to
Hey Cypher the lion want his sword back
There are TWO (my head canon) one for the Imperium and the other against. Alpha Legion shenanigans most likely
Yep, you guessed it. Frank Stallone.
It's definitely Alpharius
You misspelled Omegon.
@@JanFWeh I you think it's Omegon, then it's Alpharius
@@enderknight39 You never know with the Alpha Legion.
It's surviving Primarch probably isn't sure who he is. ;^)
For what it's worth, I remember an Omegon POV chapter when he actually felt the death of his brother.
Im betting its Jango Sevatarion.
My first chaos hero
I'm still convinced it's Omegon. It would explain how he's been alive for so long and why he's so powerful and why nobody can catch him. If anybody can evade the Imperium and Choas for multiple millennia it would be the Alpha Legion Primarch. My fanon is that Corswain died killing Zahariel and Omegon took his armor and the mantle of Cypher to further his own plans and using the name Cypher to draw attention so that people will be too focused on him to pay attention to what else is happening in the area is definitely an Alpha Legion thing to do.
corswain the same person who keep the lion sword after girlliman brake the sword
omegon dead (get massacre by Dorn in pluto space station)
It’s so obvious who cypher is! Hydra Dominatus
He's long lost of Sly Marbo
Naw, he is Steve from the motor pool in 7th company.
My genuine theory is that Cypher is not a real person but rather a psyop put in place by the dark angels as a way to root out unrepentant fallen
Either omegon or a shard of the emperor
Cypher is the clone of Sly Marbo. Sadly he's an imperfect clone, not being as powerful as Sly Marbo.
the fucking man is who he is
Slacking bro
My guy didn't give us the sumptuous "cypherrrrrr" :(
What if hes one of the forgotten primarchs that were wiped from history?
Man, it would be so awesome if it is Corswain
Hot take Cypher is one of the 2 disowned Primarch sons of the Emperor. 🤔
I hope hes Corswain
Ok ok, but Zahariel once promised to fight chaos wherever he found it to the watchers, and in cypher: lord of yhe fallen hes described as half in the dark half in thr light. Corswainn was anti chaos entirely, and would just join the imperium and never help chaos. Maybe the watchers purged the chaos from him, saving him to keep the promise. Or the two merged in the warp
Honestly I thought Luther might be Cypher
Definitely Alpha Legion Shenanigans
I used to think it was Holguin as he was the last guy we saw with the broken Lion Sword. We knew he and some of his Deathwing left Lion in a huff and went to Terra. But that doesn't explain what we saw in the End and the Death. Corswain? I thought he survived the Heresy and went on to become the first Supreme Grand Master? SO many questions - Trinity said it best : Damn you CYPHER !
Hydra Dominatus
I'm just saying, nobody has seen Cypher and the Lion in the same room.
wait its an inherited name,i thought its just one dude that got warp juiced by the emperor or some shit
Omegon infiltrated the imperial palace and could have killed the emporer once and now that cypher has also done the same thing seems like he could be omegon since they both use green armor and are mysterious
Oh man I hope it’s zahariel that would be an amazing redemption story but at the same time I’ve only just finished reading fallen angels so I don’t know how badly corrupted he got in the end