Indy Car took less money to get on the Fox main channel for every race because they know they will get more viewers and in return, sponsors would be willing to pay more. NASCAR took the most money they could get from their TV partners who in return wants to stick most of the races on cable, which usually means less viewers and less money from sponsors. Personally, I would want my product on the main stations of Fox & NBC.
It almost looks as if they are trying to destroy the sport with less and less exposure. Talking heads hype the TV ratings going up but totally ignore that those races with increased viewership are on "free" TV!!! Does NASCAR or the talking heads care? NO, they just care about appearing right. And to the video's point..... I cut the cable several years ago and can't watch anything on TV. I can once in a while bootlegged coverage from "Bulgaria"!! LOL But what do we peons know!!??
Yeah, it sucked. I had to watch IndyCar on Peacock only for 3 months back in early 2022 while staying at someone’s house, waiting for our current house to be finished on construction….
Honestly, streaming is just cable tv for younger audience, in the end is almost the same thing, the major difference is one you need a antenna, the other you need a internet connected. I’m still think that is gonna be a backlash for some streamers services due this “all connected content”
I think it was Gaffigan, but I'm not 100% sure, a comedian has said "we should package all the streaming services together and call it cable TV." The only difference is cords
0:10: You have this TOTALLY wrong. A spin off is when a parent company separates a division or divisions into its own standalone company. Comcast is spinning off its NBC Universal cable networks, including USA, CNBC and MSNC. Comcast will now be a network TV, movies and theme parks company. Many of the managers of the cable segment will stay with the spin off and an executive from Comcast's media group will be the new CEO. It is not 'being off loaded to somebody else" or "sold".
yeah, but this could lead to a company buying the spun off company, see WarnerMedia and AT&T, AT&T agreed to spin that company off but as part of it, they sold the spun off company to Discovery Communications and now it's Warner Brothers Discovery. it might be possible for a company like Nexstar (the new parent company of The CW) to buyout NBC Universal's cable channels in a cheap deal. in fact, AT&T tried to spin off the remainer of their ownership of DIRECTV to TPG and at the same time EchoStar tried to spin off Dish & Sling TV (after they remerged into Echostar after Echostar spun Dish off in the 2000s) and sell them to TPG to try to do a Satellite TV Provider merger of Dish & DirecTV, but that deal is about to die a painful death several weeks after it was announced.
It might be where I live, but Peacock is excellent where I am. Connects well, doesn’t cut out… I’m aware that just because it works well for me doesn’t mean it’s great for everyone, but personally I like Peacock
I think the bigger complaint is actually paying for it. There's a reason why cable companies always bundled their channels, AND then had contractual expectations that their bundles would all be offered as one product (with channel expansions or on-demand and so on). Obviously no one liked paying ridiculous prices for channels when they only watched a few things, and the cable companies as a whole just had terrible service and so on. But the cable companies just ripped content off of tvs and kept the ridiculous prices. So now, you have fewer options for the same absurd price. The value proposition is awful unless you're a huge fan of something.
If you have to pay to watch Nascsr just put them on PPV WITHOUlT commercials Nascar fans are paying for cable and extra for Peacock some cannot afford this
Comment from Australia here so may need some correcting and clarification here. I understand the USA is a basic cable channel and the initial contract was signed with NBC / Comcast. Fans should not have to pay extra to access the 9 races they are contacted for USA under the upcoming contract. In the end Comcast should have to move those races to NBC or another basic channel they own. If not those races should then be made available to another provider on the understanding that those races are broadcast on a basic cable channel say ESPN, TNT, FS1 or a free to air network such as ABC or CBS. My opinion behind this is for the next tv contract when it was announced fans were of the understanding that so many races would be on free to air on FOX and NBC, cable on TNT and USA and streaming on Amazon Prime and that is what fans expect to happen at least.
Yep, they're gonna lose viewers next year, only 9 races on network TV, 10 races locked behind streaming paywalls, not to mention a decline in the quality of racing and people getting fed up with all the controversy.
Again, people are leaving the old media, unironically it was election and general entertainment effect. People's patience cant be tested for too long without consequences, one being exodus to online content and streaming which anyone can do and do better than the ol broadcast network corpos. In fact give Iceberg, slap and maybe conor daly a room and voice they will do a better job than them
NASCAR should have invested in a premium channel or service called NASCAR Network, using in house production and a variety of subscriber packages that offer different levels of viewer experiences, such as commercial-free races, races with limited commercials , practice and qualifying sessions, documentaries, showing of past races, Hall of Fame & Awards Banquets, Driver & track tribute programming, etc. Between the advertising and subscriber fees, this would be ideal, for NASCAR & more importantly, for the fans. Having one centralized location, whether it be streaming service or cable (or a combination of the two), would allow the fans to not have to deal with corporations merging, folding or being bought up &/or relocating (or eliminating) racing content for the Olympics or whatever else. Why I am the only one advocating for such a thing, is mind-blowing to me. It's high time, the fans were the biggest & sole focus on everything NASCAR does, not the biggest & quickest buck. Can anyone please tell me why this isn't feasible or possible?
Just in my dreams I wish NASCAR would do the same thing like NBA do I pay $129 a year for the NBA package I wish NASCAR would do the same thing if they don't want to do that put it on peacock the whole season we don't have to pay $89 a month for damn RUclips TV
@@stevenrosenthal720 I think F1TV is like $30 a year (for just races) or close to it for a much more valuable intellectual property with a far greater production demand (four continents, more languages). The top tier was around $75 USD and that gave all historical races and footage, live races, driver data and cams, etc etc. There is absolutely zero reason Nascar couldn't offer a similar price and still make money on it, especially considering they own half the tracks. Let alone pricing it at like 120 or 150.
Truthfully, I've been asking this for years. They could do something like the WWE Network did. They could have their own content on there, show all kinds of pre- and post-race content, awards banquet, whatever. It would be the central location for all of their content. Heck, I'd spend the extra money on it if I knew that I was getting to watch all of the races on there. With their deal now, without having cable I can't afford to get Fox, NBC, TNT, and Prime just to maybe see the races, and that's not counting if they move it to USA or whatever.
Yes what they should've done was sign a TV deal with ABC ESPN and FX to show Cup races instead of getting Amazon prime to do races. They fumbled the ball there.
I really never understood moving sports to streaming services when you have all the buffering issues that some people have and you know we still have a lot of Internet issues in America. I always thought that NASCAR should’ve made a deal similar to the Xfinity series and just put every race on this CW network that way it’s accessible to everybody who has it, you don’t have to go anywhere you can qualify on the same network and you can have a rotating cast of commentators every three weeks so three weeks you get three different people you know you one week you have Junior and Steve Latarde and the other week you have you know, Allen and Pick and Jeff Burton or something like that I really don’t want Jeff back in the booth, but you get my point
I cut the cord in 2020, I've been a NASCAR fan since 2001. I was tempted to get satellite TV but then it came out NASCAR was adding streaming to the schedule. I'm not playing that game with them. Put every race on free TV or all on streaming. I'm going to enjoy watching every Xfinity race this year on the CW, I hope it's a huge success for NASCAR!!!
Honestly, I wish they would at least simulcast their portion on Peacock. I watched Phoenix there because my streaming platform (sling) doesn't get local channels, and my antenna won't pick up NBC. Had no issues during the stream.
Put it back on channels that were on basic cable. I remember watching races on the former TNN. Or do something like Floracing or DirtVision. One stream, one service and you will reap the rewards yourself.
As a Comcast retiree after 42 years of service and a small investor in the company, they have made smart decisions for many years to keep the company viable and profitable. Hopefully, they are ready for the future. They have not made money on video for years because the programming is expensive, and interest is waning. Their big money comes from the ISP side.
Hopefully Nascar causes the 23XI Team next season alot of trouble. Alot of fines. Michael Jordan got involved in the Sport, and is ruining it for everyone....
In addition to the cable networks here in the US, Comcast also owns Sky Sports based out of the UK. If Comcast were to do the same thing to Sky that they are going to do with the channels listed by Iceberg, it would have a major effect on F1 coverage here in the US even though ESPN are the ones who have the rights. This is because very similar to how NASCAR is going to produce Xfinity races for the CW in 2025, Sky Sports are the ones who produce F1 races for ESPN. If Sky Sports were to be sold or less likely to be shut down entirely, it might force ESPN to hire their own commentators & send their own camera crews to races. Given the fact that ESPN has already spent a ton of money to retain the NBA & the majority of games in the expanded College Football Playoff, they might not want to put in the extra effort for F1. This then opens the door for F1 to go to a network/streamer that also has NASCAR after the current contract with ESPN ends at the end of 2025 even though next year there will be an increase in the number of F1 races on ABC. Who knows by 2026, Prime might have both NASCAR & F1 though I think Liberty Media would want F1 to move to Netflix for very obvious reasons.
I think NBC will do one of the following for 2026-2031: move the USA races to BRAVO, have all NBC races on Big NBC, provide a lease for either USA or The CW to carry those races, or switch those races to Peacock only along with a Peacock simulcast for the NBC races. It will be interesting to see what negotiations will be like in 2030 because it is possible that someone could replace NBC.
I think a dark horse scenario not mentioned is NBC sub-licensing their NASCAR broadcasts to the CW, if CW is willing to pony up. I think this was more likely before CW recently changed CEOs. It would be like the Xfinity coverage this year where NBC sports produces the races and just airs them on CW.
NASCAR's audience on TV isn't doing well already. Moving races to services that require an additional subscription apart from a cable provider will only lower them more. At the start of the season, I sign up for RUclips TV and then cancel it when it is over until next year. I watch nothing else on it during the year. It's easy to do with no extra hardware. However, if they go to Peacock or even others, I'll do what I'm doing for the Xfinity and truck series most of the time already, which is wait for the highlights to appear on RUclips later that night, and watch the race highlights that way in about 15 minutes. I already record and watch the races later at night zipping through them in an hour so that isn't much of a change. NASCAR also puts the full races on RUclips a week later so you can watch them for free. I grew up in the 80s and that is actually how several races were broadcasted back then, or you can go really old school and listen to them on the radio too.
I see a situation where NBC goes from 4 races to about 6-8 races, with the remaining portion of the schedule, unfortunately, on Peacock. To be honest, I'm shocked NBC still used USA for the 2025-2031 contract, since NBC's been emphasizing Peacock in literally every other sports contract they signed. Now there's a third scenario that could happen, NBC doing like they did with Xfinity this past season, and selling off the Cable Races to another party (The CW perhaps? I'm kinda shocked they didn't get any of the Cup packages to draw viewers to their Xfinity package).
I think we’ll be okay for now. But if Comcast decides to put them on Peacock or Bravo, I think NASCAR is gonna want to pull the plug on NBC and release them from the contract. If that’ll happen, they’ll probably put some races on The CW since they have the Xfinity Series or (this is going to be VERY unpopular) sign on ABC and ESPN to replace NBC.
5:52: Your points from here on are very valid. There is also the danger that many of these channels may not be around in five years. The "spin off" does not solve a broken business model and cable networks are a dying business. With the declines in NASCAR ratings and the sport overall I don't see Comcast coming back and saying we want more NASCAR on NBC. It is not going to happen.
As a canadian viewer i feel bad for the American viewers that have to subscribe to several networks to watch the races. All of the cup races air on TSN here in Canada
Wasn't worth it for us to keep any TV service at our place, so my NASCAR watching is almost entirely highlights on youtube, with the occasional full-race reply a couple days later.
fractured TV contracts in general only work for booming Sports, NASCAR is in a regrowth stage and to do this they need to take less for a consistent easily watchable package.
Its a weird thing to say but everyone should look at how the wwe does putting RAW on Netflix only because they seem to be the first to jump the ship and go full in on the new networking tech
I'd be curious to know if NASCAR contract with NBC/Comcast specifically outlines which dates are covered under which channel, or if the contract allows Comcast the right to pick whichever broadcast method they want. Knowing NASCAR, they would want to specifically outline that race "X" will be broadcasted on "Y" platform, which in theory then, means that even if USA gets sold off and dissolved, Comcast would be in big trouble legally speaking against NASCAR.
It was bad enough that six races were lost to streaming (especially the Coca Cola 600, might be the first time I miss it since I became a NASCAR fan) and most remaining races are reported to be on cable channels next year, but for a possible upheaval in where we can watch the races that aren't on streaming will most certainly be upsetting.
I'd pay for Peacock if I could just stream every NBC race. If they could just get EVERY race, I'd buy the cheaper yearly subscription to Peacock. Boom, Comcast makes more money
1:05 Hmm isn't Oxygen a free NBC sub station channel though? Why would they do that to a network they are already showing for free to the entire country. That doesn't make sense an I would take that report with a grain of salt.
SPEED channel was the best thing for NASCAR. It’s been down hill since. Hell, people paid extra for SPEED channel for all its shows and especially NASCAR content. What the networks have done is ruin NASCAR with their gimmicky crap. My best friend works for F1 (yes, the governing body) and I’ve been learning about their television production and it’s very interesting and may be something nascar should possibly emulate, or at least take some notes.
Like IndyCar the Xfinity series will be all over the air network.. no subscriptions at all. All you need is a cheap over the air antenna to watch the entire season... Maybe NASCAR should've thought of that for the cup series before they split it 6 ways from Sunday where fans need to pay for numerous platforms just to watch. Then they wonder why viewership is in the crapper some weeks.
Consistency has never been the issue.... it has been diversity. People that want to watch NASCAR will find it wherever it is.... just like the NFL, you will find it. The 2000 TV contract was the single event that led us down this path. You don't intentionally reduce your exposure/coverage like NASCAR did, they had many invested media partners in 2000 that had an interest in providing positive coverage of the sport of NASCAR and cross promoting the sport during other programming. At the same time NASCAR was reducing, sports like the NFL were INCREASING the number of media partners and are on all the major networks..... and if a bad media story about the NFL comes up, those media partners do their best to suppress or only briefly talk about it as to not bad mouth their media partner. NASCAR does not have that luxury.
Worried about our future on where to watch? You can just search it and click. On your TV, laptop, tablet, phone, whatever. This isn't an issue for NASCAR fans. The races will still be broadcast somewhere. Kind of creating a first world problem to go along with another first world problem in cable dying. If people want to watch it, they'll watch it.
I think you’re misunderstanding what’s happening, Comcast isn’t spinning off or selling the network. they are transferring it to another company they are creating. It will be owned by the same people and honor the deals made.
During COVID, the United States Golf Association terminated their deal with Fox and gave it back to NBC and UEFA did the same with their deal with Turner Sports (now WBD Sports) and awarded it to CBS. While I hope the circumstances are not the same this time, could NASCAR, if push comes to shove, do the same thing with NBC?
Nascar will end up as a streaming service with a subscription in which I will boycott as I don't watch Flotv and others like it. Like they did with SpeedTV and we went 3 years in Canada with Zero Truck races. Never did go back to watch the trucks. Nascar going down.
Does this mean USA races won't be available on the NBC Sports app? Because using a VPN and incognito mode simultaneously to constantly exploit to free preview pass (which is normal capped at 30 minutes and tracked on both your browser history and your ip address) is how I watch races on USA.
I actually like watching the races on streaming. I will NEVER buy television ever again in my life. So unless NASCAR actually puts their racing on a streaming package that costs less than $100 a year, I will just not watch. With so many other terrible decisions being made I am more than willing to just not watch unless they make it affordable
Im a bit surprised they included usa. I know the wwe signed a deal to have smackdown on the usa. My guess races that was going to nd on the usa network or races that might have to move to usa because of scheduling or major breaking news, will probably be moving to peacock
See I don’t see an issue anymore why. Roadkill is gone. I’m a firm believer that roadkill took 30-40 percent of streaming from nascar. Real car people loved roadkill.I’m guessing 10-15 percent will go back to nascar. Try it out again just of American V8s
Why can’t the cup series get a deal like the Xfinity series or Indycar where every race is on one main network. This TV deal is too complicated and it’s starting to get more complicated. Starting in 2032, so back to two main channels/prime. It will be better for the series after seeing how bad this deal is looking.
Because that would make sense. NASCAR wants to be everywhere all at once and it's pretty obvious in the changing media landscape that this isn't practical. I just hope NASCAR learns from this mess and opts for a simpler media deal after the current one expires, but in the meantime they're gonna miss out on a lot of revenue and exposure that IndyCar is going to reap by having all their races on one network, and the most easily accessible network in its family.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld FOX or CBS can’t do the whole season unless they end on Labor Day or before. However, have one or two main networks like we have now. The Xfinity series got an amazing deal that will help the sport a lot and same for Indycar. NASCAR needs to try streaming, but they made this deal too complicated.
It's my preference to avoid it and I don’t condone it. But if push comes to shove I know of a few options to watch the races out on the high seas ⛵️⛵️⛵️
Legacy media is screwed regardless, but NBC has not treated race fans well at all, I'm glad IndyCar is done with them, leaving the end of a race and dumping it to cable is an asshole move and NBC pulled it countless times on both NASCAR and IndyCar.
No,…just the opposite. NASCAR has an NBC problem, because their broadcast crew can’t keep up with constant rules changes and mgmt./owner discord… NASCAR has its own mgmt. problems, and w/ NBCs inability to broadcast races, I can see why FOX, overall, is the better Motorsport Network
NO I will not be paying to watch Nascar on Peacock. Nascar already lost my viewing for most of the XFinity racing next year due to not being able to DVR them anymore. I already pay 90 dollars a month for home internet, $50 for SlingTv, plus Amazon Prime. This come out to over $40 dollar a week to watch Nascar. We currently have Nascar of Fox, NBC, USA, CW, F1 sports. I may take time to watch the Cup series on Air TV, but I'm not going to stay home on Sat. just to watch Nascar on CW. The payoffs and the Championship have been a joke for the last two years and everyone is tired of Phoenix being the Championship finial race. It need to be rotated between 3 to 4 tracks.
I watch the Daytona 500 and the championship race live on streaming networks and RUclips extended highlights for all other races. Cable tv is an aging dinosaur and it is overpriced…
And it's horrible quality in a lot of areas, I only get 480i...not even DVD quality but the 480i like the old CRT TVs could display! Any station airing 480i in 2024 is an embarrassment!
@PaperBanjo64 exactly it was never a thought for the nascar fan the higher ups in nascar saw a money offer they couldn't pass up and it screwed the racing fan as usual
@@midwesttrainchasers8587 yeah I only watched that race Dale Jr was in, haven't bothered since, the quality is just terrible and my TV doesn't handle interlaced content well at all.
Just put all races on peacock. That'd be the best. Premier league and nascar. I dont have tv. I have amazon, disney, netflix, hulu, and peacock. Out of everything peacock is the best live streaming for sports
Nascar relying on a long deal of cable tv in 2025 was as stupid as 2021 democrats thinking a 78 year old could give them 8 years. I'm personally a fan of the peacock route, but it shouldn't be solely that. Nascar pretending like it wants to appeal to younger fans while thinking people pay for cable is WRONG. This writing has been on the wall for years and this deal was stupid to get into. Nobody wants to pay 200 bucks for cable when a 10 dollar app gives you what you need.
I mean east solution would be to have all day races start at 1pm to make sure the race concludes before NFL coverage. Maybe they need to offload some more summer races to TNT to guarantee all the races on NBC. Might be the only way because the more sports NBC brings in, the more I feel nascar gets pushed aside. Like they have college football every Saturday night, so that cancels any possibility of a Saturday night race during the college football season
normal i don't comment but,.. if u have bad tv connections in 2024..u need to upgrade your satellite dish pal! also anything is better than the ripoff sling $40. a month bullsh*t...ill take peacock any day, all day,all year for 5 bucks a month
NO, GOD! NO, GOD, PLEASE, NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO… I’m already having enough problems trying to convince my father to see how I’m gonna be able to watch the TNT races in 2025. I don’t have TNT on my Spectrum app at my house, so I’m anxious to see if Max will let me watch TNT. So this NASCAR potentially being on Bravo starting in 2026 news is really the last news I needed to hear. I don’t have that channel on my Spectrum app either. It’s like they say: sometimes, no news is good news. So, I wanna ask everybody one simple question: how am I gonna watch NASCAR Cup Series races starting in 2026? I’m curious to hear what y’all have to say…
What do you think NASCAR and NBC will choose to do with the USA network after the recent news?
JUST PUT NASCAR ON THE MAIN NBC CHANNEL
@@ValeChannelYT0_2 good idea
I think they’ll have USA air a few races this upcoming season, But they go to Bravo starting in the 2026 season.
They could merge with another network or they could improvise and move to another network
It'll take a year before the spinoff is set. So I doubt any changes will take place in 25 but 26 different story.
Indy Car took less money to get on the Fox main channel for every race because they know they will get more viewers and in return, sponsors would be willing to pay more. NASCAR took the most money they could get from their TV partners who in return wants to stick most of the races on cable, which usually means less viewers and less money from sponsors. Personally, I would want my product on the main stations of Fox & NBC.
It almost looks as if they are trying to destroy the sport with less and less exposure. Talking heads hype the TV ratings going up but totally ignore that those races with increased viewership are on "free" TV!!! Does NASCAR or the talking heads care? NO, they just care about appearing right. And to the video's point..... I cut the cable several years ago and can't watch anything on TV. I can once in a while bootlegged coverage from "Bulgaria"!! LOL But what do we peons know!!??
NASCAR chose money over exposure. Awful TV deal they made.
They should’ve had TNT airing the other half, But Warner Bros Discovery is also a pretty bad company.
Oh wow thanks for regurgitating what the guy on the video said, real insight you offer
NASCAR and bad decisions...name a more iconic duo!
@@PaperBanjo64NASCAR and 2 garbage managements
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YTyep yep
NASCAR on Peacock exclusively?! IndyCar tried that and it didn't work so well.
Yeah, it sucked. I had to watch IndyCar on Peacock only for 3 months back in early 2022 while staying at someone’s house, waiting for our current house to be finished on construction….
So much so that Indycar is going to Fox for next season.
Honestly, streaming is just cable tv for younger audience, in the end is almost the same thing, the major difference is one you need a antenna, the other you need a internet connected.
I’m still think that is gonna be a backlash for some streamers services due this “all connected content”
I think it was Gaffigan, but I'm not 100% sure, a comedian has said "we should package all the streaming services together and call it cable TV."
The only difference is cords
I bet they are going to move everything onto Peacock at some point. Carpcast is betting the farm on Peacock...
SNF on Peacock, The Crown Jewels races on Peacock, the PGA Tour on Peacock. 💀
NASCAR should be on Bravo. It’s a NBC affiliated channel and it’s all about drama, what the NASCAR higher ups wanted for the last 20 years 😂
Perfect response.
Yep plus Bravo hasn't been used for sports in years really.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld there were sports in Bravo?
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Yep I think in 2015 NBC Sports used Bravo for the final week of the Premier League season since they didn't have Peacock.
@@adammartin5809NASCAR has their DRAMA channel back... TNT
0:10: You have this TOTALLY wrong. A spin off is when a parent company separates a division or divisions into its own standalone company. Comcast is spinning off its NBC Universal cable networks, including USA, CNBC and MSNC. Comcast will now be a network TV, movies and theme parks company. Many of the managers of the cable segment will stay with the spin off and an executive from Comcast's media group will be the new CEO. It is not 'being off loaded to somebody else" or "sold".
But it's likely SpinCo gets sold off. The conservative media apparatus is licking its chops at the possibility of taking over MSNBC.
yeah, but this could lead to a company buying the spun off company, see WarnerMedia and AT&T, AT&T agreed to spin that company off but as part of it, they sold the spun off company to Discovery Communications and now it's Warner Brothers Discovery.
it might be possible for a company like Nexstar (the new parent company of The CW) to buyout NBC Universal's cable channels in a cheap deal.
in fact, AT&T tried to spin off the remainer of their ownership of DIRECTV to TPG and at the same time EchoStar tried to spin off Dish & Sling TV (after they remerged into Echostar after Echostar spun Dish off in the 2000s) and sell them to TPG to try to do a Satellite TV Provider merger of Dish & DirecTV, but that deal is about to die a painful death several weeks after it was announced.
Just wait elons gonna buy it lol
@ 😂”Hi, this is Elon. Anyone buying a Tesla gets a free USA and NASCAR subscription on their Tesla dashboard “.
It might be where I live, but Peacock is excellent where I am. Connects well, doesn’t cut out… I’m aware that just because it works well for me doesn’t mean it’s great for everyone, but personally I like Peacock
I think the bigger complaint is actually paying for it. There's a reason why cable companies always bundled their channels, AND then had contractual expectations that their bundles would all be offered as one product (with channel expansions or on-demand and so on).
Obviously no one liked paying ridiculous prices for channels when they only watched a few things, and the cable companies as a whole just had terrible service and so on. But the cable companies just ripped content off of tvs and kept the ridiculous prices.
So now, you have fewer options for the same absurd price. The value proposition is awful unless you're a huge fan of something.
If you have to pay to watch Nascsr just put them on PPV WITHOUlT commercials Nascar fans are paying for cable and extra for Peacock some cannot afford this
Maybe the CW takes on a few Cup races down the road (I’d hope since that’s over the air TV)
Comment from Australia here so may need some correcting and clarification here.
I understand the USA is a basic cable channel and the initial contract was signed with NBC / Comcast.
Fans should not have to pay extra to access the 9 races they are contacted for USA under the upcoming contract. In the end Comcast should have to move those races to NBC or another basic channel they own. If not those races should then be made available to another provider on the understanding that those races are broadcast on a basic cable channel say ESPN, TNT, FS1 or a free to air network such as ABC or CBS.
My opinion behind this is for the next tv contract when it was announced fans were of the understanding that so many races would be on free to air on FOX and NBC, cable on TNT and USA and streaming on Amazon Prime and that is what fans expect to happen at least.
Most people are abandoning cable for streaming services. Can I get paid a 10 million dollar salary for coming to that conclusion?
I’d be fine with all of their races being on big nbc 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s never happening
Comcast having horrible horrible takes, they shouldn’t ended NBCSN
NBCSN was actually good!
@@PaperBanjo64I miss NBCSN. They had awesome college basketball coverage.
@@NexXxu NBCSN was a pretty good sports channel
Maybe NASCAR should've thought about the 2025 TV deal first before all this
Yep, they're gonna lose viewers next year, only 9 races on network TV, 10 races locked behind streaming paywalls, not to mention a decline in the quality of racing and people getting fed up with all the controversy.
They probably didn't know nbc was going to do this
Again, people are leaving the old media, unironically it was election and general entertainment effect.
People's patience cant be tested for too long without consequences, one being exodus to online content and streaming which anyone can do and do better than the ol broadcast network corpos.
In fact give Iceberg, slap and maybe conor daly a room and voice they will do a better job than them
@@PaperBanjo64 10 races? Thought only 5 were on amazon
@@dayandsauce TNT/HBO Max so yeah technically only 5 on Prime
NASCAR should have invested in a premium channel or service called NASCAR Network, using in house production and a variety of subscriber packages that offer different levels of viewer experiences, such as commercial-free races, races with limited commercials , practice and qualifying sessions, documentaries, showing of past races, Hall of Fame & Awards Banquets, Driver & track tribute programming, etc. Between the advertising and subscriber fees, this would be ideal, for NASCAR & more importantly, for the fans. Having one centralized location, whether it be streaming service or cable (or a combination of the two), would allow the fans to not have to deal with corporations merging, folding or being bought up &/or relocating (or eliminating) racing content for the Olympics or whatever else. Why I am the only one advocating for such a thing, is mind-blowing to me. It's high time, the fans were the biggest & sole focus on everything NASCAR does, not the biggest & quickest buck. Can anyone please tell me why this isn't feasible or possible?
Just in my dreams I wish NASCAR would do the same thing like NBA do I pay $129 a year for the NBA package I wish NASCAR would do the same thing if they don't want to do that put it on peacock the whole season we don't have to pay $89 a month for damn RUclips TV
@@stevenrosenthal720 I think F1TV is like $30 a year (for just races) or close to it for a much more valuable intellectual property with a far greater production demand (four continents, more languages). The top tier was around $75 USD and that gave all historical races and footage, live races, driver data and cams, etc etc.
There is absolutely zero reason Nascar couldn't offer a similar price and still make money on it, especially considering they own half the tracks. Let alone pricing it at like 120 or 150.
Truthfully, I've been asking this for years. They could do something like the WWE Network did. They could have their own content on there, show all kinds of pre- and post-race content, awards banquet, whatever. It would be the central location for all of their content. Heck, I'd spend the extra money on it if I knew that I was getting to watch all of the races on there. With their deal now, without having cable I can't afford to get Fox, NBC, TNT, and Prime just to maybe see the races, and that's not counting if they move it to USA or whatever.
NASCAR should be on public television IMO. Regular FOX and regular NBC, maybe do ABC or NBC.
Yes what they should've done was sign a TV deal with ABC ESPN and FX to show Cup races instead of getting Amazon prime to do races. They fumbled the ball there.
Nascar on PBS 🤣
In the U.K. we have laws that specify that certain "blue ribbon" events have to be on free-to-air tv, but the list does get changed over time
@@MarkPentler Ok but you guys also have a bunch of ridiculous laws for everything else as well.
@@MarkPentler I've heard about that
Maybe there's part of the contract that says if Nascar arent on the channels, Nascar agreed to the contract with whatever provider is Null & Void
I really never understood moving sports to streaming services when you have all the buffering issues that some people have and you know we still have a lot of Internet issues in America. I always thought that NASCAR should’ve made a deal similar to the Xfinity series and just put every race on this CW network that way it’s accessible to everybody who has it, you don’t have to go anywhere you can qualify on the same network and you can have a rotating cast of commentators every three weeks so three weeks you get three different people you know you one week you have Junior and Steve Latarde and the other week you have you know, Allen and Pick and Jeff Burton or something like that I really don’t want Jeff back in the booth, but you get my point
I cut the cord in 2020, I've been a NASCAR fan since 2001. I was tempted to get satellite TV but then it came out NASCAR was adding streaming to the schedule. I'm not playing that game with them. Put every race on free TV or all on streaming. I'm going to enjoy watching every Xfinity race this year on the CW, I hope it's a huge success for NASCAR!!!
Honestly, I wish they would at least simulcast their portion on Peacock. I watched Phoenix there because my streaming platform (sling) doesn't get local channels, and my antenna won't pick up NBC. Had no issues during the stream.
they will simulcast from 2025, and as he menttioned likely all races will be exclusive
Dakota24Fan. Alot of older can not afford both cable and a streaming service like Peacock
Friend has cable and streaming cost about 250 a month
The lack of streaming options in NASCAR is a serious miss.
$5 a month to watch nascar on peacock sounds great to me, bring it on.
Atleast TSN will keep the rights to broadcast in Canada until the bitter end
Put it back on channels that were on basic cable. I remember watching races on the former TNN. Or do something like Floracing or DirtVision. One stream, one service and you will reap the rewards yourself.
FloRacing is a decent enough product but holy crap is it expensive. I don't know if that would be sustainable.
Apparantely Paramount Network is on Paramount Plus now. That just wouldn't work out in NASCAR's favor.
As a Comcast retiree after 42 years of service and a small investor in the company, they have made smart decisions for many years to keep the company viable and profitable. Hopefully, they are ready for the future. They have not made money on video for years because the programming is expensive, and interest is waning. Their big money comes from the ISP side.
Hopefully Nascar causes the 23XI Team next season alot of trouble. Alot of fines. Michael Jordan got involved in the Sport, and is ruining it for everyone....
In addition to the cable networks here in the US, Comcast also owns Sky Sports based out of the UK. If Comcast were to do the same thing to Sky that they are going to do with the channels listed by Iceberg, it would have a major effect on F1 coverage here in the US even though ESPN are the ones who have the rights. This is because very similar to how NASCAR is going to produce Xfinity races for the CW in 2025, Sky Sports are the ones who produce F1 races for ESPN. If Sky Sports were to be sold or less likely to be shut down entirely, it might force ESPN to hire their own commentators & send their own camera crews to races. Given the fact that ESPN has already spent a ton of money to retain the NBA & the majority of games in the expanded College Football Playoff, they might not want to put in the extra effort for F1. This then opens the door for F1 to go to a network/streamer that also has NASCAR after the current contract with ESPN ends at the end of 2025 even though next year there will be an increase in the number of F1 races on ABC. Who knows by 2026, Prime might have both NASCAR & F1 though I think Liberty Media would want F1 to move to Netflix for very obvious reasons.
I think NBC will do one of the following for 2026-2031: move the USA races to BRAVO, have all NBC races on Big NBC, provide a lease for either USA or The CW to carry those races, or switch those races to Peacock only along with a Peacock simulcast for the NBC races. It will be interesting to see what negotiations will be like in 2030 because it is possible that someone could replace NBC.
4:12 💀
Hearing that, now that would make sense
I think a dark horse scenario not mentioned is NBC sub-licensing their NASCAR broadcasts to the CW, if CW is willing to pony up. I think this was more likely before CW recently changed CEOs.
It would be like the Xfinity coverage this year where NBC sports produces the races and just airs them on CW.
The CW just wouldn't make sense because it's not owned by NBC or Comcast it's owned by Nextstar.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld if it was owned by the same company there wouldn't be a money making opportunity... that's the point
NASCAR's audience on TV isn't doing well already. Moving races to services that require an additional subscription apart from a cable provider will only lower them more. At the start of the season, I sign up for RUclips TV and then cancel it when it is over until next year. I watch nothing else on it during the year. It's easy to do with no extra hardware. However, if they go to Peacock or even others, I'll do what I'm doing for the Xfinity and truck series most of the time already, which is wait for the highlights to appear on RUclips later that night, and watch the race highlights that way in about 15 minutes. I already record and watch the races later at night zipping through them in an hour so that isn't much of a change. NASCAR also puts the full races on RUclips a week later so you can watch them for free. I grew up in the 80s and that is actually how several races were broadcasted back then, or you can go really old school and listen to them on the radio too.
Peacock shows commercial while the network is ‘side by side’ on live television. BS
Oh wow, did not know that - that sucks hard
I see a situation where NBC goes from 4 races to about 6-8 races, with the remaining portion of the schedule, unfortunately, on Peacock.
To be honest, I'm shocked NBC still used USA for the 2025-2031 contract, since NBC's been emphasizing Peacock in literally every other sports contract they signed.
Now there's a third scenario that could happen, NBC doing like they did with Xfinity this past season, and selling off the Cable Races to another party (The CW perhaps? I'm kinda shocked they didn't get any of the Cup packages to draw viewers to their Xfinity package).
peacock is wildly less expensive and more convenient than cable. put it all on peacock.
i would like a streaming service for all the races
I rather have more races on Prime and tnt then peacock
I think we’ll be okay for now. But if Comcast decides to put them on Peacock or Bravo, I think NASCAR is gonna want to pull the plug on NBC and release them from the contract. If that’ll happen, they’ll probably put some races on The CW since they have the Xfinity Series or (this is going to be VERY unpopular) sign on ABC and ESPN to replace NBC.
Nope the CW is not owned by NBC it wouldn't make sense either.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld That would be amazing, but like you said, that's not gonna happen
Nascar will 100% be on peacock in 2026. They already have exclusive NFL, Supercross, had Indycar. We already have streaming races with prime
5:52: Your points from here on are very valid. There is also the danger that many of these channels may not be around in five years. The "spin off" does not solve a broken business model and cable networks are a dying business. With the declines in NASCAR ratings and the sport overall I don't see Comcast coming back and saying we want more NASCAR on NBC. It is not going to happen.
As a canadian viewer i feel bad for the American viewers that have to subscribe to several networks to watch the races. All of the cup races air on TSN here in Canada
It’s times like this I’m proud to be a Canadian and TSN viewer
I haven't paid Xfinity for Cable since December 2016. I can just sit back, eat popcorn, and watch.
Wasn't worth it for us to keep any TV service at our place, so my NASCAR watching is almost entirely highlights on youtube, with the occasional full-race reply a couple days later.
Couldn’t this potentially be seen as a breach of contract if the worst case scenario occurs?
Theoretically, but the ensuing litigation would drag on forever.
And we thought having half the season be exclusive to cable potentially as deep as 2031 was a bad move before!
fractured TV contracts in general only work for booming Sports, NASCAR is in a regrowth stage and to do this they need to take less for a consistent easily watchable package.
It's telling that NBC kept Bravo.
Its a weird thing to say but everyone should look at how the wwe does putting RAW on Netflix only because they seem to be the first to jump the ship and go full in on the new networking tech
I'd be curious to know if NASCAR contract with NBC/Comcast specifically outlines which dates are covered under which channel, or if the contract allows Comcast the right to pick whichever broadcast method they want.
Knowing NASCAR, they would want to specifically outline that race "X" will be broadcasted on "Y" platform, which in theory then, means that even if USA gets sold off and dissolved, Comcast would be in big trouble legally speaking against NASCAR.
It was bad enough that six races were lost to streaming (especially the Coca Cola 600, might be the first time I miss it since I became a NASCAR fan) and most remaining races are reported to be on cable channels next year, but for a possible upheaval in where we can watch the races that aren't on streaming will most certainly be upsetting.
sreaming is the future
if you live in a region with poor interne i recommend get starlink
I'd pay for Peacock if I could just stream every NBC race. If they could just get EVERY race, I'd buy the cheaper yearly subscription to Peacock. Boom, Comcast makes more money
1:05 Hmm isn't Oxygen a free NBC sub station channel though? Why would they do that to a network they are already showing for free to the entire country. That doesn't make sense an I would take that report with a grain of salt.
Honestly, NBC Sports should've never shut down NBCSN. For damn sure, I don't wanna see NASCAR on Bravo.
More TNT races
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
SPEED channel was the best thing for NASCAR. It’s been down hill since. Hell, people paid extra for SPEED channel for all its shows and especially NASCAR content. What the networks have done is ruin NASCAR with their gimmicky crap. My best friend works for F1 (yes, the governing body) and I’ve been learning about their television production and it’s very interesting and may be something nascar should possibly emulate, or at least take some notes.
Like IndyCar the Xfinity series will be all over the air network.. no subscriptions at all. All you need is a cheap over the air antenna to watch the entire season... Maybe NASCAR should've thought of that for the cup series before they split it 6 ways from Sunday where fans need to pay for numerous platforms just to watch. Then they wonder why viewership is in the crapper some weeks.
Consistency is the key. People get sick of having to try and look all over for nascar and will just say forget it. Long term it will hurt them.
Consistency has never been the issue.... it has been diversity. People that want to watch NASCAR will find it wherever it is.... just like the NFL, you will find it. The 2000 TV contract was the single event that led us down this path. You don't intentionally reduce your exposure/coverage like NASCAR did, they had many invested media partners in 2000 that had an interest in providing positive coverage of the sport of NASCAR and cross promoting the sport during other programming. At the same time NASCAR was reducing, sports like the NFL were INCREASING the number of media partners and are on all the major networks..... and if a bad media story about the NFL comes up, those media partners do their best to suppress or only briefly talk about it as to not bad mouth their media partner. NASCAR does not have that luxury.
Worried about our future on where to watch? You can just search it and click. On your TV, laptop, tablet, phone, whatever. This isn't an issue for NASCAR fans. The races will still be broadcast somewhere. Kind of creating a first world problem to go along with another first world problem in cable dying. If people want to watch it, they'll watch it.
If anything NASCAR will probably be under the USA Sports banner come 2026
I think you’re misunderstanding what’s happening, Comcast isn’t spinning off or selling the network. they are transferring it to another company they are creating. It will be owned by the same people and honor the deals made.
During COVID, the United States Golf Association terminated their deal with Fox and gave it back to NBC and UEFA did the same with their deal with Turner Sports (now WBD Sports) and awarded it to CBS. While I hope the circumstances are not the same this time, could NASCAR, if push comes to shove, do the same thing with NBC?
I'm fine with anything that doesn't involve having to put up with ESPN ever again. I'm still holding out hope that Disney won't destroy FOX real bad.
Nascar will end up as a streaming service with a subscription in which I will boycott as I don't watch Flotv and others like it. Like they did with SpeedTV and we went 3 years in Canada with Zero Truck races. Never did go back to watch the trucks. Nascar going down.
Does this mean USA races won't be available on the NBC Sports app?
Because using a VPN and incognito mode simultaneously to constantly exploit to free preview pass (which is normal capped at 30 minutes and tracked on both your browser history and your ip address) is how I watch races on USA.
Next tv contract after 2025 i could see NBC on way out and gulp CW airing the nbc package after Fox which could stay prime and TNT if they stay
*Laughs in international streams*
I actually like watching the races on streaming. I will NEVER buy television ever again in my life. So unless NASCAR actually puts their racing on a streaming package that costs less than $100 a year, I will just not watch. With so many other terrible decisions being made I am more than willing to just not watch unless they make it affordable
Everyone needs to learn how to be a pirate 🏴☠️ you can watch the race the same place every week!
Im a bit surprised they included usa. I know the wwe signed a deal to have smackdown on the usa. My guess races that was going to nd on the usa network or races that might have to move to usa because of scheduling or major breaking news, will probably be moving to peacock
I'm not too concerned I have peacock and haven't had problems with it at all
I didn’t have NASCAR on Bravo on my 2024/2025 bingo card
See I don’t see an issue anymore why. Roadkill is gone. I’m a firm believer that roadkill took 30-40 percent of streaming from nascar. Real car people loved roadkill.I’m guessing 10-15 percent will go back to nascar. Try it out again just of American V8s
Im looking for to Xfinity on The CW ... thats all im gonna say
NASCAR got greedy and are paying for it.
bring Cup Series to CW
Why can’t the cup series get a deal like the Xfinity series or Indycar where every race is on one main network. This TV deal is too complicated and it’s starting to get more complicated. Starting in 2032, so back to two main channels/prime. It will be better for the series after seeing how bad this deal is looking.
Because that would make sense. NASCAR wants to be everywhere all at once and it's pretty obvious in the changing media landscape that this isn't practical. I just hope NASCAR learns from this mess and opts for a simpler media deal after the current one expires, but in the meantime they're gonna miss out on a lot of revenue and exposure that IndyCar is going to reap by having all their races on one network, and the most easily accessible network in its family.
@@D2RCRIt wouldn't make sense for Fox though because Fox does NFL on Sundays in the fall from September to November
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld FOX or CBS can’t do the whole season unless they end on Labor Day or before. However, have one or two main networks like we have now. The Xfinity series got an amazing deal that will help the sport a lot and same for Indycar. NASCAR needs to try streaming, but they made this deal too complicated.
Elon, we need you to buy USA. Make the channel based around everything thats all-American including NASCAR
He'll name it "X"
It's my preference to avoid it and I don’t condone it. But if push comes to shove I know of a few options to watch the races out on the high seas ⛵️⛵️⛵️
You don't think the results of the recent election has anything to do with it, do you?
Legacy media is screwed regardless, but NBC has not treated race fans well at all, I'm glad IndyCar is done with them, leaving the end of a race and dumping it to cable is an asshole move and NBC pulled it countless times on both NASCAR and IndyCar.
@@joshuapboston1999 No, nothing. This is part of the long decline of cable.
No,…just the opposite. NASCAR has an NBC problem, because their broadcast crew can’t keep up with constant rules changes and mgmt./owner discord… NASCAR has its own mgmt. problems, and w/ NBCs inability to broadcast races, I can see why FOX, overall, is the better Motorsport Network
NASCAR on the bravo channel or going to peacock just sounds awful.
NO I will not be paying to watch Nascar on Peacock. Nascar already lost my viewing for most of the XFinity racing next year due to not being able to DVR them anymore. I already pay 90 dollars a month for home internet, $50 for SlingTv, plus Amazon Prime. This come out to over $40 dollar a week to watch Nascar. We currently have Nascar of Fox, NBC, USA, CW, F1 sports. I may take time to watch the Cup series on Air TV, but I'm not going to stay home on Sat. just to watch Nascar on CW. The payoffs and the Championship have been a joke for the last two years and everyone is tired of Phoenix being the Championship finial race. It need to be rotated between 3 to 4 tracks.
I watch the Daytona 500 and the championship race live on streaming networks and RUclips extended highlights for all other races. Cable tv is an aging dinosaur and it is overpriced…
Not many people can tune into the CW to watch the xfinity races
And it's horrible quality in a lot of areas, I only get 480i...not even DVD quality but the 480i like the old CRT TVs could display! Any station airing 480i in 2024 is an embarrassment!
@PaperBanjo64 exactly it was never a thought for the nascar fan the higher ups in nascar saw a money offer they couldn't pass up and it screwed the racing fan as usual
@@midwesttrainchasers8587 yeah I only watched that race Dale Jr was in, haven't bothered since, the quality is just terrible and my TV doesn't handle interlaced content well at all.
@@PaperBanjo64Yep I don't even get the CW on my TV either it's one of those low bandwidth channels.
Just put all races on peacock. That'd be the best. Premier league and nascar. I dont have tv. I have amazon, disney, netflix, hulu, and peacock. Out of everything peacock is the best live streaming for sports
Yea I'm going ft 📻
the fans completely lost out when they didn’t make their own ad free streaming network to go along with the bs cable deal
Nascar relying on a long deal of cable tv in 2025 was as stupid as 2021 democrats thinking a 78 year old could give them 8 years. I'm personally a fan of the peacock route, but it shouldn't be solely that. Nascar pretending like it wants to appeal to younger fans while thinking people pay for cable is WRONG. This writing has been on the wall for years and this deal was stupid to get into. Nobody wants to pay 200 bucks for cable when a 10 dollar app gives you what you need.
Only sports fans and boomers really pay for cable...there's not much on cable worth watching really!
Also the younger motorsport fans are mostly watching F1, not NASCAR.
I’m gonna say…SPORTS ARE NOT MADE FOR STREAMING, again is NOT MADE FOR STREAMING.
Stop pushing Sports into streaming services
Yeah just ignore how F1 has been doing it for several years now.
time to start there own network
Have of the races are on app you have to pay for !😡
Idk why I’m watching I don’t watch on tv I can’t even watch nascar on tv
I mean east solution would be to have all day races start at 1pm to make sure the race concludes before NFL coverage. Maybe they need to offload some more summer races to TNT to guarantee all the races on NBC. Might be the only way because the more sports NBC brings in, the more I feel nascar gets pushed aside. Like they have college football every Saturday night, so that cancels any possibility of a Saturday night race during the college football season
normal i don't comment but,..
if u have bad tv connections in 2024..u need to upgrade your satellite dish pal!
also anything is better than the ripoff sling $40. a month bullsh*t...ill take peacock any day, all day,all year for 5 bucks a month
NO, GOD! NO, GOD, PLEASE, NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOO…
I’m already having enough problems trying to convince my father to see how I’m gonna be able to watch the TNT races in 2025. I don’t have TNT on my Spectrum app at my house, so I’m anxious to see if Max will let me watch TNT.
So this NASCAR potentially being on Bravo starting in 2026 news is really the last news I needed to hear. I don’t have that channel on my Spectrum app either. It’s like they say: sometimes, no news is good news.
So, I wanna ask everybody one simple question: how am I gonna watch NASCAR Cup Series races starting in 2026? I’m curious to hear what y’all have to say…
Watch it illegally on a streaming website
@jingles123456789ify Absolutely not. I’m not a criminal.
If your dad has Spectrum TV Choice, he can edit the channel lineup to include TNT during those 5 races.
Streameast
Replacing Rick Allen with that annoying guy was huge mistake. I stopped watching.
NASCAR is Doomed
Oh wow NASCAR screwed up again?
In other news, floor is made out of floor
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