You have done an amazing job! the effort is obvious and it is great, thank you! The number of things to memorize, the many options makes it seem like a steep learning curve and could be a barrier to start. This is an area I think could use some elegant approach to make it easier for new joiners. Thanks again for the amazing work
Very impressed. I thought this was going to be some over-engineered monstrosity, but I see why each piece and each design benefit exists. I work with hardware for a living, and so many leave off the small details you've included like directionality. Awesome design!
I think that starting the video with a little inventory of all parts that are going to be used would have been really helpful. Like how a Lego set or Ikea kit will lay out all of the included parts first. Not even explaining the parts at all, just going over how many of x are used and how many of y are used. Could help categorize them as "these are stand-alone snaps", "these are folding snaps", "these are sides A and B of 2-part snaps", these three parts are for the sap pulling tool". Would also help introduce us all to the names and naming scheme, instead of feeling a bit like these parts and their names are just coming out of a hat as the video goes on. It would also give a good reference to refer back to when I'm trying to follow along and he pulls out a moderate weight bearing snap and I need to figure out what that is and how to tell it apart from the very similar regular single-part snap. This would also make this much, much easier to follow along for people who aren't supporters. Which sounds like a good thing overall to me. But it's understandable if this was avoided to encourage people to support so that they have access to the pack. I would very much suggest doing this anyway if this was the case though because I believe missing this parts list and intro cheapens the experience for everyone, supporters like myself included.
Love the Multiboard idea. It would be great if the tile generator have a fusion 360 version too. Bender at times are just not as stable as Fusion. Thank you.
I understand why he folds some of the pieces to improve their strength but it does create some challenges. When you fold those they do not stay folded so they want to unfold while you’re trying to install them. I’m thinking of using a tiny drop of CA glue to keep them from unfolding. (Hint: Make sure that the glue is fully cured before you use that piece.) I’m still planning on trying these on a wall in my shop but may start small then build it out as I get more comfortable with how to make it work.
10:40 How do you get your big thread to print as a single piece like that? Mine prints as two halves that I have to sort of fold over and hold in place as I try to thread it in and it doesn't work very well.
Why do the "normal snap" and "moderate weight-bearing snap" both exist? When would it be better to use the "normal" instead of just using the "moderate"?
The moderate snap is directional, and must be inserted by tilting it into place. The normal snap has no orientation. They're often used together so that one side is levered in (weight bearing) and the other side snaps into place (with the normal snap)! I recommend checking out the shelf video for context on that.
I will give this a try. But I will leave a feedback here, more for how to do content than the actual system itself, for the most part. For a learning introductory video, even if you cant remember the pieces, then it likely does not belong in it. This is too much for a getting started video and will stop people from trying. From the get go, you have 3 different panels you have to be aware of so they fit properly. That’s already a big steep curve. You should just start with the core tile. I believe that’s the one you can connect infinitely. Mention that other tiles exist to round up corners and such that you can use. But do not mention on your opening statement that things might not fit correctly. Then, you should probably stop at part A and part B. That’s it. Show the thread and snap system and just plug useful stuff in them. Hook some basic stuff into them. Leave the removing part as a separate short video. For the single snap piece, I’d probably leave it out. Or, since it is a very basic piece, don’t make it sound more complicated than it is. They only fit one way since the tabs are of different sizes right? Simply say they can only go one way and there are markings to guide you. Then end the video talking about the other stuff that exists and have dedicated videos for more advanced topics. And remember the piece names. 😅 My 2c.
After two rolls of filament I have 10 boards I can use. Unfortunately, I also have 10-12 boards in my scrap box to be composted at my local landfill. I've tried washing the plate in between every print, 99% alcohol, glue stick, outer brim, inner and outer brim, higher/lower z-offset and It's 50/50 if it doesn't warp. It's PLA so I don't know.
@ I don’t use one. I’ve even tried printing with a giant brim and still peels up or layer shifts. I finally had success but only because I got a core xy printer. I’ve given up on trying to print this on a bed slinger.
I'm just exploring this, but will note that PLA doesn't resist creep very well. If the retention depends on parts remaining stable, and not slowly bending over time, PETG might be a better bet. It's a bit fussier to print, but it's good for interfaces that rely on friction fits. Not at all sure it matters in this system's designs.
Yeah, I printed a bunch of back plates and accessories but just kind of gave up. The system is a big messy confusion of difficult-to-remember parts. Looks great, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to make anything useful with it. Too confusing.
Hopefully once we're a little further along it'll be a bit easier to navigate. We're still very much in beta, and the site doesn't currently separate the "very useful general parts" from the "needed once in a blue moon specialty parts", but we're working on that! Feel free to follow along and we'll make it as clear as we can as improvements come to documentation and design refinement!
You would simply pull the edge tiles and replace with more core tiles, and move the edge tiles to the new…well, edge. They have a designer tool now that shows you that any sizeable wall will be almost entirely core tiles, so it would just be a matter of moving the one edge
The only confusing part about it is how confused he was about the names of the parts... This will 100% be my first massive print when my next order of filament comes in next week.
For both demos & actual users, it would be nice to have dual-color printing options for any parts that have symbols. For example, having the weight bearing arrows printed in dark grey against the orange. Specifically for these demos: - It would be really useful if the "A" side pieces and the "B" side pieces were printed in different colors. (I'd suggest a different grey or black for the "A" side pieces.) - It would be nice to have the parts' official names displayed on the screen when they're being introduced. - Likewise, it would be nice to have better quality up-close images, or the CAD images of the parts that are shown on the corresponding kits' page when the part is being introduced
Im slightly confused by the mention of 0.25 mm tolerance. Is that a printer or slicer setting, or are you just saying thats how the parts were designed?
This video would be much more helpful with video editing to remove the word stumbling. It comes across confusing and frankly makes the whole thing feel overly complicated. This isn’t a video that needs to be one continuous take. Color coding the parts would go a long way too or even an overlay of the part name on the video. This would serve as a tutorial to really help a user learn. I think a bigger board could help too for the ability to zoom in and see the difference.
I know it's a lot, but we really recommend messing around and checking out the community builds for a bit. It's a bit like lego- there are hundreds of odd and special parts, but most builds only use a few dozen 😅
This system looks amazing, but I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the parts needed and the terminology. Seems a bit too much for an organization system, but then again, they’ve really put a lot of thought into all the features. I printed the base boards and the starter pack and am gonna give it a try this weekend! I think once I put in the initial effort to learn the components, this system has a lot of potential.
The easier something is... The less control you have over it. This is a bit complex because it accommodates so much and is so flexible. Learn the part you need... And discard the rest. I like this system better than, say, Gridfinity (this system looks like it's more for vertical hangs, which Gridfinity is more for horizontal use.
OK man, 16 minutes in and you say you need a coin to screw the stuff in. If someone is going to spend this much time learning and printing it, they better have a dang screwdriver handy. If they dont, they are a failure to humanity. lol
I want to like this system but if the creator of the system barely can figure it out (not remembering the names and fumbling) what chance do we have? Why is it so complicated? HSW is simple, just remember the correct orientation of the actual honeycomb and you are off to the races, no multi part tomfoolery or complicated nonsensical names. Also, maybe give examples of how to use the T-bolts and all of the other parts shown here. its 24 minutes and have almost less knowledge than when I started. EDIT: maybe print parts in different colors to show the differences instead of being "this part and this part" say "The green one and the blue one are different because so and so"
Ultimately we have a little trouble with the vocabulary ourselves since we use many different names during development before we choose a final name for public release. This video is primarily meant to accompany people who have the printed kit in hand, so we try not to rely on color or other elements that might not match. As for the complexity, it's primarily down to options. We try to provide just about every possible connection variant or niche part that might be useful, but it makes the initial experience quite... complicated looking. We're definitely working on separating parts into tiers of likely usefulness for most users, along with more specific instructions for general use. These learning packs are all about providing as many connection possibilities as possible so people can get a feel for all their options!
@@stellasfun Never let comments like this shame you. I've spent a life time working with developers and naming parts is the most challengoing in the early days. Live video throws a completely new challenge. Good work I will start mine tomorrow.
Excellent concept and the Learning Pack is essential. The first set of parts is growing on my print bed now! Thanks!
You have done an amazing job! the effort is obvious and it is great, thank you!
The number of things to memorize, the many options makes it seem like a steep learning curve and could be a barrier to start. This is an area I think could use some elegant approach to make it easier for new joiners.
Thanks again for the amazing work
I just discovered this system and I am really excited to get printing. I can see this will be soooo useful in a few areas of my house and workshop
I keep hearing Lilu saying "Multipass, multipass" in The Fifth Element. haha. I love multiboard.
Wow, I just joined the membership yesterday. And this video with Learning Pack gets released... Thank you so much !!!
Very impressed. I thought this was going to be some over-engineered monstrosity, but I see why each piece and each design benefit exists. I work with hardware for a living, and so many leave off the small details you've included like directionality. Awesome design!
Excellent design. I still need to wrap my head around it all but this video was very helpful. Thank you 🙏
I think that starting the video with a little inventory of all parts that are going to be used would have been really helpful. Like how a Lego set or Ikea kit will lay out all of the included parts first.
Not even explaining the parts at all, just going over how many of x are used and how many of y are used. Could help categorize them as "these are stand-alone snaps", "these are folding snaps", "these are sides A and B of 2-part snaps", these three parts are for the sap pulling tool". Would also help introduce us all to the names and naming scheme, instead of feeling a bit like these parts and their names are just coming out of a hat as the video goes on. It would also give a good reference to refer back to when I'm trying to follow along and he pulls out a moderate weight bearing snap and I need to figure out what that is and how to tell it apart from the very similar regular single-part snap.
This would also make this much, much easier to follow along for people who aren't supporters. Which sounds like a good thing overall to me. But it's understandable if this was avoided to encourage people to support so that they have access to the pack. I would very much suggest doing this anyway if this was the case though because I believe missing this parts list and intro cheapens the experience for everyone, supporters like myself included.
those images on the bottom of the download link pages are inventory of individual parts (and image is clickable for individual part download)
4:04 Every chiropractor video ever.
Love the Multiboard idea. It would be great if the tile generator have a fusion 360 version too.
Bender at times are just not as stable as Fusion.
Thank you.
We don't quite have one due to the complexity of the different options, but with the STEP files we provide you're free to make one for your own use!
Welcome to RUclips!
Clearance is different to tolerance.
I understand why he folds some of the pieces to improve their strength but it does create some challenges. When you fold those they do not stay folded so they want to unfold while you’re trying to install them. I’m thinking of using a tiny drop of CA glue to keep them from unfolding. (Hint: Make sure that the glue is fully cured before you use that piece.) I’m still planning on trying these on a wall in my shop but may start small then build it out as I get more comfortable with how to make it work.
10:40 How do you get your big thread to print as a single piece like that? Mine prints as two halves that I have to sort of fold over and hold in place as I try to thread it in and it doesn't work very well.
Any chance this will be added to Bambu labs maker world ??? Other than the copy’s people have put up on it
what about weight distribution? is there an install video on how that works?..
I cant find anywhere that says what size screw its designed for for the wall mounting... #6 or #8? Pan Head or Flat?
23:20 Is "Multigrid" now Multibin?
Why do the "normal snap" and "moderate weight-bearing snap" both exist? When would it be better to use the "normal" instead of just using the "moderate"?
The moderate snap is directional, and must be inserted by tilting it into place. The normal snap has no orientation. They're often used together so that one side is levered in (weight bearing) and the other side snaps into place (with the normal snap)! I recommend checking out the shelf video for context on that.
I will give this a try. But I will leave a feedback here, more for how to do content than the actual system itself, for the most part.
For a learning introductory video, even if you cant remember the pieces, then it likely does not belong in it. This is too much for a getting started video and will stop people from trying.
From the get go, you have 3 different panels you have to be aware of so they fit properly. That’s already a big steep curve. You should just start with the core tile. I believe that’s the one you can connect infinitely. Mention that other tiles exist to round up corners and such that you can use. But do not mention on your opening statement that things might not fit correctly.
Then, you should probably stop at part A and part B. That’s it. Show the thread and snap system and just plug useful stuff in them. Hook some basic stuff into them. Leave the removing part as a separate short video.
For the single snap piece, I’d probably leave it out. Or, since it is a very basic piece, don’t make it sound more complicated than it is. They only fit one way since the tabs are of different sizes right? Simply say they can only go one way and there are markings to guide you.
Then end the video talking about the other stuff that exists and have dedicated videos for more advanced topics.
And remember the piece names. 😅
My 2c.
Are the parts all made from PLA or PETG?
where's the link for 21:48
Thanks for reminding me. Just added it to the description and it's here: ruclips.net/video/ZiQek0wei1g/видео.html
After two rolls of filament I have 10 boards I can use. Unfortunately, I also have 10-12 boards in my scrap box to be composted at my local landfill. I've tried washing the plate in between every print, 99% alcohol, glue stick, outer brim, inner and outer brim, higher/lower z-offset and It's 50/50 if it doesn't warp. It's PLA so I don't know.
So far I have 4 boards of 8x8 size made with PLA matte, all perfect no issues. On a Bambu A1.
Deactivate the auxiliary fan if you use one.
@ I don’t use one. I’ve even tried printing with a giant brim and still peels up or layer shifts. I finally had success but only because I got a core xy printer. I’ve given up on trying to print this on a bed slinger.
Is it ok to print this with PLA? Or is a more durable material recommended? (abs, PETG, CF, etc?)
We recommend PLA, PLA+, HTPLA, or another similar PLA filament as default. Others may work, but we don't officially test or support those.
I'm just exploring this, but will note that PLA doesn't resist creep very well. If the retention depends on parts remaining stable, and not slowly bending over time, PETG might be a better bet. It's a bit fussier to print, but it's good for interfaces that rely on friction fits. Not at all sure it matters in this system's designs.
@@jerrygrimes8813 I am going to try printing the main board in PETG and then print the inserts in PLA and see how that goes 👍
@@valden How did it go?
Still waiting on that installation video.......
By installation video, are you referring to a video showing the process of installing a multiboard on a wall?
Yeah, I printed a bunch of back plates and accessories but just kind of gave up. The system is a big messy confusion of difficult-to-remember parts. Looks great, but I don't know if I'll ever be able to make anything useful with it. Too confusing.
Hopefully once we're a little further along it'll be a bit easier to navigate. We're still very much in beta, and the site doesn't currently separate the "very useful general parts" from the "needed once in a blue moon specialty parts", but we're working on that! Feel free to follow along and we'll make it as clear as we can as improvements come to documentation and design refinement!
I'm going with the goews system. Essentially it's French cleats that works with Gridfinity.
Once screwed to the wall, how hard is it to expand the system? Can I easily add more panels without having to pull everything down?
You may want to adjust the mounts you have on the expanding edge, but there aren't any aspects of the files that disallow expansion!
You would simply pull the edge tiles and replace with more core tiles, and move the edge tiles to the new…well, edge. They have a designer tool now that shows you that any sizeable wall will be almost entirely core tiles, so it would just be a matter of moving the one edge
Does "Multi grid" mean Multibin?
Oop! Yes it does. We called it Multigrid before the last update!
The only confusing part about it is how confused he was about the names of the parts...
This will 100% be my first massive print when my next order of filament comes in next week.
please replace the getting started video from the website with this one! :D
For both demos & actual users, it would be nice to have dual-color printing options for any parts that have symbols. For example, having the weight bearing arrows printed in dark grey against the orange.
Specifically for these demos:
- It would be really useful if the "A" side pieces and the "B" side pieces were printed in different colors. (I'd suggest a different grey or black for the "A" side pieces.)
- It would be nice to have the parts' official names displayed on the screen when they're being introduced.
- Likewise, it would be nice to have better quality up-close images, or the CAD images of the parts that are shown on the corresponding kits' page when the part is being introduced
holy shit this is over engineered
Im slightly confused by the mention of 0.25 mm tolerance. Is that a printer or slicer setting, or are you just saying thats how the parts were designed?
This video would be much more helpful with video editing to remove the word stumbling. It comes across confusing and frankly makes the whole thing feel overly complicated. This isn’t a video that needs to be one continuous take.
Color coding the parts would go a long way too or even an overlay of the part name on the video. This would serve as a tutorial to really help a user learn. I think a bigger board could help too for the ability to zoom in and see the difference.
I find this so confusing.
there's a pretty steep learning curve for sure. but personally i only use like 15% of the parts the vast majority of the time
I know it's a lot, but we really recommend messing around and checking out the community builds for a bit. It's a bit like lego- there are hundreds of odd and special parts, but most builds only use a few dozen 😅
This system looks amazing, but I’m a bit overwhelmed with all the parts needed and the terminology. Seems a bit too much for an organization system, but then again, they’ve really put a lot of thought into all the features. I printed the base boards and the starter pack and am gonna give it a try this weekend! I think once I put in the initial effort to learn the components, this system has a lot of potential.
Even he can’t remember the name of some of the parts or how they’re supposed to go 😂
The easier something is... The less control you have over it. This is a bit complex because it accommodates so much and is so flexible.
Learn the part you need... And discard the rest.
I like this system better than, say, Gridfinity (this system looks like it's more for vertical hangs, which Gridfinity is more for horizontal use.
OK man, 16 minutes in and you say you need a coin to screw the stuff in. If someone is going to spend this much time learning and printing it, they better have a dang screwdriver handy. If they dont, they are a failure to humanity. lol
I want to like this system but if the creator of the system barely can figure it out (not remembering the names and fumbling) what chance do we have? Why is it so complicated? HSW is simple, just remember the correct orientation of the actual honeycomb and you are off to the races, no multi part tomfoolery or complicated nonsensical names. Also, maybe give examples of how to use the T-bolts and all of the other parts shown here. its 24 minutes and have almost less knowledge than when I started. EDIT: maybe print parts in different colors to show the differences instead of being "this part and this part" say "The green one and the blue one are different because so and so"
Ultimately we have a little trouble with the vocabulary ourselves since we use many different names during development before we choose a final name for public release. This video is primarily meant to accompany people who have the printed kit in hand, so we try not to rely on color or other elements that might not match.
As for the complexity, it's primarily down to options. We try to provide just about every possible connection variant or niche part that might be useful, but it makes the initial experience quite... complicated looking. We're definitely working on separating parts into tiers of likely usefulness for most users, along with more specific instructions for general use. These learning packs are all about providing as many connection possibilities as possible so people can get a feel for all their options!
@@stellasfun Never let comments like this shame you. I've spent a life time working with developers and naming parts is the most challengoing in the early days. Live video throws a completely new challenge. Good work I will start mine tomorrow.
We don't have to deal with the other 10 proposed names for the same part that were scraped three days prior recording the video. 😅
It works great, but over engineered, unnecessarily complex with many pointless parts!
his head is so small