Our Honest Opinion On The Specialized Tarmac SL8
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Fun fact: old sturmey archer hubs had threaded sprockets, and one was able to thread a 7-speed freewheel on to one. Sheldon Brown has written about building a 63 speed bike. 3x7 with 3 internal hub gears, beat that Classified!
I keep asking who these new products are for. I work for a Specialized dealer so I was subjected to their SL8 video before the release. I couldn’t help but notice that all of their athletes in the film were pros (who don’t have to buy the bike). All of their test data was generated by pros, at power levels that pros can produce. Doctors, lawyers or drug dealers (the people who can afford to buy these bikes) produce far less power, to the point where there is no significant difference in performance.
115 grams is the the weight of a single banana.
hmph! maybe ::your:: banana 🍌
Would you like to carry around a banana you don’t eat every ride?
@@vodizzzle At least I would have it just in case I cramp up 😉
I like your down to earth approach to new tech, GCN with all their sponsor deals make 115g as if you'd automatically win the TdF with it ❤️
Gates belt drive with 11 speed internal hub is brilliant from a maintenance point of view but better for commute bikes. I have one.
Pretty easy to build significantly faster bikes with the new tube shape limits from the UCI. The SL7 was designed to old parameters
I love these 2
it's easy to have a lighter stiff and faster bike, if you can choose the comparison bike! What would be really interesting is an honest set of comparisons with say an SL6 with direct mount rim brake s and a lightweight low spoke count 50mm carbon wheel set.
Exactly... And the SL6 would be at least 1kg lighter.
I will stick to my 2015 super six Evo Hi Mod rim brake.
When are you gonna test one out?
The cycling industry as a whole, has become incredibly stale.
Is the Apple Macbook any good? Should I buy into the hype?
The amount of maintenance required by having the drivetrain exposed to the elements is burdensome. Can’t wait for internal!
Oh, there's no real difference you say, then go watch the David Arthur review. It turns out the SL8 is the new standard for all of the best road bikes. The new King.. 🙄.. 😅😂🤣
I get it. Your bike sponsor isn’t out yet with their lightest and stiffest. Lol.
The Trek A-hole is the biggest change to a frame recently and everyone shat on it. Now it has shown up on track bikes. No real change will occur until a UCI rule change happens.
Hahah great name
Bikes and phones these days are the same loadsa hype but when you actually get one you think why have i spent this much i cant tell the differnce 🤣🤣
I think we get spoiled quickly, I recall 3T making a 1x race bike. Pure aero bikes that are different, Cervelo, Scott, Canyon, Bianchi, Trek, Pinarello, … not one bike looks the same!! There is indeed an optimal all-round bike design shared by many, Willier, Specialized, Look, Giant, … But I disagree, plenty of interesting and good looking bikes out there. Remember 40 years ago all bikes had round tubes and the same shape, that was boring.
Durian riders frame is already cracked on the toptube. Done like 60km
Intentionally cracked?
Most of weight cut from accessories too. Frame and fork not so much. There is a sl 7 and 8 weigh-in on RUclips. Both brand new out of box comparison.
Some say, just throw on the new aero bar on the SL7 and save a ton of money.
3:33 as a mountain biker, who used a road bike as a fitness tool, I 100% agree. Road biking and for that matter most road bikers are boring. Where are the whoops and yeah dudes! Love dropping muppets on their Pinarello F12s and tarmac S Works SL7s on my old SL2, because the bike is the very last thing to upgrade and the most expensive.
Is it lighter than the SL3?
😂 no simple
Beautiful bike but totally unaffordable to nearly all of us. I assume a lot of buyers are also buying it on the never, never? But if you want a fast carbon bike you’re still spending as much as a second hand car. I recently bought the Van Rysel (not named after a tour pro) RCR Pro £4500 and it’s absolutely amazing and way better than my 59 plate Peugeot 208. The aircon is next level, but always packs in going up hill on hot days.
Most of those numebrsd are marketing mumbo jumbo made up by bike manufacturesrs when all i want is a reliable, cheap bike i can mantain for years not for show off... Those prices are a deterimento to the brands and in the end of the day the brands that look for the common user are the winners.
I like your thoughts here and I'd like to see this new SL8 frame in alloy, perhaps the Allez Sprint and that'd be awesome as pricey carbon is simply not my thing, no knock on anyone with the money for it. And interesting point on the small percentage of riders who've competed in sanctioned events, surely a small number and while racing has its place as a true test of athletic prowess, one has to think soberly about it and its possible outcomes as cycling can go from awesomely beneficial to one's body to incredibly and perhaps lifetime-damaging to it with a crash and the aftermath of it is all up to you to deal with it, nobody's problem but yours unless you're a pro and that's why we have pros and teams and support for the good and the bad of the sport. And great point at the end and I'm still wondering why we as a worldwide community of riders don't embrace e-bike conversion kits more--that part of the market should be huge, like a light e-kit for old steel-frame road bikes and such. I took a flyer on a GreenZone Bikes e-kit for a mountain bike commuter and I love it, it changes how you ride because you want to maximize the juice and assistance, and that becomes fun, actually. Like on my ride home there's a five-minute final kicker, yet if I save some juice for it, throttle-assist all the way, baby, and that makes me smile. 😀
The allez sprint frames are over 2 grand. So not cheap either
@@notkaty I agree, not cheap tho' if they cook up an SL8 in metal, it may be time for me to get one as I do appreciate Specialized and their designs and role in the sport and I was a Bay Area kid in Pacifica in '74 when they got their start, so there's hometown team loyalty, same with Marin and I still like my steel-frame Marin hot rod which began life as a hybrid in the '90s. Yet it is bittersweet that us true-blue fans of these companies are little more than drooling window shoppers upon the release of their latest and greatest frames, at least in the case of Specialized. And we're talking mass manufacturing in China, not one-off custom builds in California. So it is just a little weird, that's all. Still, I cheer new bike tech and this frame does look to advance the cause, so woohoo to that. Just that we need something like the big-box stores during the holiday season, fresh half-off vinyl for a week or so., makes new pressings of John Coltrane and ELO so much more attainable and giftable. Imagine a super deal for a new frame for the first month at their dealers. Woohoo, indeed. 😀
I feel the same way when they release new phones every year.
Definitively, I will stick with my S-WORKS SL7! 😆
I think my time on the Loo results in more weight loss. It's way past time we judge solely based on weight. James has a better saying that it makes absolutely no sense.
My Cervelo Caledonia is quite heavy by today’s standards, but it’s the best ride I’ve ever had, a collection that’s included steel, aluminum, Ti and carbon examples. I even live in a very hilly area, averaging 1000’ of climbing per 10 miles, and I don’t care about the weight. The ride is everything.
115 grams lighter on frame the weighs less than 800g is a LOT lighter. 115 grams lighter on 2k is a joke. lol
I think innovation is restricted by the regulations for each discipline. Imo, Road biking looks the same because of UCI’s regulations restricting the frame shape and design
Comparing that to DH and MTB, it seems like DH and MTB have more leeway to innovate and do something unique to the frame, like floating brake pivots, mullet set ups etc
Sram automatix hub! It’s super cool for commuting :)
Dont forget UCI rule changes have an impact on frame design. 100g+ reduction is massive - disc road bikes had to come down in weight - for me that’s the biggest disappointment from rim to disc, you jump on your shiny new bike and just think oh it’s heavier.
Idk the name of the guy on the right but he does know that if he looks out into an airport strip he’ll see a bunch of planes that basically look the same right? And this is because of aerodynamics and physics? As long as UCI rules don’t change, bikes will continue to look “the same” with very small differences for gimmicks or such. And if you throw out the rule book well then you have tri bikes
“None of this information means anything.”
2 Mars bars weight saving over rated and over priced will you notice the difference
I don't know what's going on, i've never known such negativity towards a brand for launching a new bike. When you see the SL8 in the flesh next to the SL7 it looks quite a bit different than seeing it on a website etc... Everyone seems so angry right now, calm down.
Thank you for pointing out the marketing BS that they feed us each and every year so we “have to” go buy the newest bike. By now, all he bikes should be 100% stiffer and faster than anything that has ever been made. No one, is going to make me feel bad about the bikes I ride. I ride because I love riding bikes.
Any market with new products that have to be better than the previous will say this. Relax, no one is saying you have to go buy a new bike, it’s just you feeling like they are which is you being weird
The reason they allmost all look the same is the UCI.
Yep there is pretty much only one way to create the most aero bike with the current UCI rules.
Its stiffer and yet more compliant! How does that work. Making something stiffer makes it less compliant not more.
The Bike has multiple tubes
@@christophertan3195 and ? How does that make it more compliant and stiffer at the same time. Hambini ridiculed their claim on his channel, calling it what it is marketing bs.
@@garyboyle695 because different parts of the bike have different stiffness levels.
I could take a dump before I went out and the bike and I would be 115g lighter. I like your take on it all and not talking BS like the other channels.
The next big thing rimbrakes are reborn and bikes with sub 6Kg are standard...
Everybody is going to have a oldschool disc bike. Time to buy something different again.
Emphasis on racing is limiting bicycles and cycling.
The classified hub is a game changer.... Potentially. It allows bike frame manufacturers to go crazy with the bb area.
They're not very limited now. Different story with mountain bikes. That said, we still need 3rd party validation of their friction claims
Hambini, peak torque etc. Done, common sense..chain drive, 97 percent.. planetary system 96 percent... 0.97 x 0.96 equals 0.93, will lose you way more time over 40ks than the sl8 claims to gain
@@faz723 you are forgetting about future improvements in technology. Besides that, the drive chain losses I guess you have them... Hmmm... In all drive chain propelled bikes?? My current road bike has a chain thus it has drive chain losses.
Nonetheless, it's a bit more complicated than that (as it is usual the case which RUclipsrs don't want to get into). If it's true that one can shift super easy, fast and under load, there is no reason to have better chain lines with this new technology. Better chain lines, reduced losses. Additionally, no front derailleur means less aero drag thus more speed for the same power. Which one wins when one tries to take all this into consideration?! I have no idea but neither do you, peak torque, hambini or the likes. Life is really not black or white.
Just did a search on dura ace internal gears. There is no such thing 🤷♂️
this thing: bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/alfine-s7050s705-di2/SG-S7051-11.html
my mistake not labelled dura ace, but di2!
@@CadeMediaExtraI guess Alfine (and Nexus) is targeted for commuter and city bikes and not targeted for the same market spot as Dura Ace. They call all(?) electronic groupsets 'DI2', even MTB. Did you meant Schlumpf Drive? Classified hubs are also somewhat similar to SRAM Dual Drive (aka Sachs Orbit).
Totally agree that all road bikes now look the same. 115gm for amateurs 😂😂😂😱😱
The old ones all looked the same too. Function > form
Specialized doesn’t actually “know what they are doing”
Where is the bike industry headed? Is Jimmy‘s scepticism well placed? Despite being a spesh fan boy I found myself agreeing with Jimmy. These brands need to create a bike for the pros and a much better separate one for the 99.999% of us joe blogs for whom the UCI rules are irrelevant and are holding us back.
The bike industry has gone sh!t because of greedy manufactures bringing new to the market way too soon,when it isnt needed.
And when it plateau's they will scratch there nuts and say why are sales bottoming out.
Bottom line is that there are people who care about these marginal gains, and those people are the main target. They either care for the sake of performance or want the feeling of owning a best of the best pro bike. Most of people even with a lot of money can’t buy F1 car, but they can buy the same bike Remco or Jonas is riding.
So there is really not much meaning in pointing out so-called marketing BS etc.
We should be happy that currently we can have such a huge choice of different bikes. And before people start “oh they don’t make rim brakes bikes anymore” - you CAN find rim brake bikes either cheap or expensive. Hell, you can get a custom bike however you want. So the arguments about industry bias or so are pointless in my humble opinion.
Nothing is different.....madone slr......um.....
What the hell has happened to cycling, are people that deep into the matrix thinking having a lighter bike is some kind of nirvana , what about enjoying cycling on a nice day out in the fresh air keeping fit in body and mind , surprising that you two guys have limited knowledge on belt drives , one might even say you need to get out more and spend less time in font of your computers, just saying what I see not having ago at you guys, at time’s truth hurts.
Two guys moaning about manufacturers failing to innovate and holding back technology while rinsing their customers. Hang on, are they both using Apple Mac books - LOL. Don't buy into the hype....